I've had a email back from Cryptostocks and they said they would help us in getting listed on there exchange if we choose to do so. They said won't charge us any extra fees so we just have to pay the normal listing fee. Although they do suggest in waiting a while "I would suggest to wait for a short while till the smoke clears. Are there actual legal activities going on or are these merely GLBSE specific issuer." So if it is a legal issue forcing the GLBSE to shut down then the same problem would happen to Cryptostocks eventually. That's why I recommend we use Open-Transactions if a I2p and/or Tor clone of the GLBSE doesn't pop up.
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Yes I have just emailed them although I see the GLBSE problem catching up to them. If a I2p and/or Tor exact clone of the exchange doesn't pop up that everyone can just long into like normal then I think Open-Transactions are the best way to go. As long as its not too difficult to set up, maintain and attract new investors.
Agreed. although, I dont think we know exactly what the problem is. only rumours so far. unless you have more info, i know you were closer to nefario. I have texted (sms) Nafario this morning tho I imagine he is being inundated with calls, texts and emails.
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I'd be willing if other (asset issuers) users were interested in using OT with chipping into a fund to pay for a VPS to host the server.
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Yeah I want to use Open-Transactions for my asset (RSM) if I can figure out how to and its not too difficult for shareholders.
Things can be made as easy for shareholders as their friendly neighborhood broker cares to make it. Really the only way to make it easy for them is to make it even easier for hackers/thieves, since you know any security is going to be considered inconvenient and "too hard" and so on. Heck a lot of people complain at simple use of PGP signed messages "too hard" yet it is pretty much the bare minimum needed to prove their identity in a portable manner. -MarkM- I don't mind getting the elbow grease out to learn something new. My only concern is the difficulty would minimize new investment. What does a user need to start using open transaction?
A user just needs either a client or to be accustomed to using command-lines and scripts. An issuer would in addition need the ability to actually issue an asset on a server, which might require them to run their own server depending on what kinds of liability a "software as a service" vendor could be open to by allowing someone else to issue an asset on a server that they host. I have been thinking of setting up a "test server" or "demo server" on which anyone can issue assets just so people can try out the system and get used to it and so on, but as no one has put up money to pay for a lawyer to check with about "safe harbour" laws relating to "being just a common carrier who does not examine the details of what data people use the software to process" I do not know yet if that would be free of liability. (I am hoping it might be like the copyright acts: if we get informed one of the demo/pretend/game/test items on the server is some kind of illegal unregistered security we de-list it on receipt of a court order to do so kind of thing.) But for a mere user, all you need is the client (if you insist on a GUI) or just the basic Open Transactions system (so you can interact through scripts / command-line). -MarkM- Please do I'm very interested in OT and if a I2p and/or Tor clone of the GLBSE doesn't pop up then it's my only option for RSM long term. I don't know exactly Open Transactions, but if it requires something like signing documents with PGP, then it is both 1) quite scary the first time you see it 2) easy, after you spend 5 minutes figuring it out with a good howto. Maybe, having money to recover is just what it takes to push people to make that little mental effort, and move in the realm of serious security at once; so, a great opportunity It requires running Open Transactions, optionally with a GUI client to provide a GUI interface for you. It signs similar in concept to PGP / GPG but actually it uses OpenSSL libraries to do it, and it does it itself instead of making you go to an external application outside of OT itself to do your signing. Basically it communicates via a similar to PGP type of encrypted-to-a-specific-recipient system so it also provides its own secure communication line to and from the server. -MarkM- If you could right an idiots guide for your demo server that'd be great.
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mathewh3 thought about cryptostocks.com as an option?
Yes I have just emailed them although I see the GLBSE problem catching up to them. If a I2p and/or Tor exact clone of the exchange doesn't pop up that everyone can just long into like normal then I think Open-Transactions are the best way to go. As long as its not too difficult to set up, maintain and attract new investors. I don't charge RSM a fee to run it I only get paid via 5% of new share issues. If we can't find a way to issue new shares and attract investment then maybe the contract will need rewriting. Again I would just like to state as soon as our 180(GH/s) of ASIC's arrive then were'll start mining. Then save everything up until we can properly pay dividends once more.
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Once we get all the info we need off the GLBSE we might look at listing RSM shares on this - https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Open_Transactions - if a I2p or Tor clone of the GLBSE doesn't pop up. Don't worry to much about RSM we only had ~24BTC on the exchange and have paid for three BFL-SC-Single-60(GH/s)-ASIC's. They will be fired up as soon as there delivered. Then once we have found a way to issue dividends everything saved up will be paid out. I don't think we need to worry about the law too much. We are a very small outfit and are more of mining Co-Op with us all pooling our bitcoins to buy mining equipment.
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Yeah I want to use Open-Transactions for my asset (RSM) if I can figure out how to and its not too difficult for shareholders.
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Can anyone lend me 4btc if I pay them 4.5btc back by end of November. If it's late an additional 0.25btc per month after November on top of the 4.5BTC. I've been on the forums over a year and have run RSM on the GLBSE since Feb.
19TFphro2T7RJn8B6V3yaYTogirPyog3ke - payment address
Thanks.
I would do so, but I would feel like a credit shark if I charge over 10% interest for <2 Month. I give you 4BTC and you pay me back 4.3BTC by latest 30. of November 2012? You do so unrequested. If it late your debt increases by 0.25 BTC per month. Please quote and confirm. Confirmed, thanks, please pay the quoted address. Cheers
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senbonzakura, cablepair and Nafario can all give me a character reference.
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Can anyone lend me 4btc if I pay them 4.5btc back by end of November. If it's late an additional 0.25btc per month after November on top of the 4.5BTC. I've been on the forums over a year and have run RSM on the GLBSE since Feb.
19TFphro2T7RJn8B6V3yaYTogirPyog3ke - payment address
Thanks.
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How a I screwed if people are panic-selling assets into my hands?
I appreciate the balls' hardness, but I've been there and done that (bought many BTC at 20$ after the peak/hack and gone down to the bottom with the ship). This time I am tempted to jump in a lifeboat a.s.a.p. If all the GLBSE coins are safe as stated and the shares on there continue making a profit then a panic sell shouldn't very last long or be very deep.
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The IPO share price is 1.00LTC per share yes you can invest from as little as 1.0LTC.
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You can invest from 1.00LTC.
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While'll agree on three of those points but RSM's takeover would be a dual aproach. In paying MergeredMining shareholders a 50% dividend and reinvesting the other 50% in profit bearing assets for MergedMining growth. Plus you can't disagree that at 124(MH/s) per BTC0.30 invested into RSM from MergedMining is not a bad deal.
Instead of assuming a $11000 buyback value and then some twisted math it would be nice if you would give a number of how many MHash/s a single MERGEDMINING share would get. If i would like to invest in some other projects i would do it myself. I did post MergedMining would receive ~377(GH/s) of RSM shares if the liquidation could raise up to $11,000. Edit: Also if people didn't want to invest in other shares to increase MergedMining profits and dividends after a possible RSM takeover. Then the 50%(or whatever amount a MergedMining motion decided on) to be reinvested into other shares could be used to buy into RSM more. To increase MergedMining income, profits and dividends.
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While'll agree on three of those points but RSM's takeover would be a dual aproach. In paying MergeredMining shareholders a 50% dividend and reinvesting the other 50% in profit bearing assets for MergedMining growth. Plus you can't disagree that at 124(MH/s) per BTC0.30 invested into RSM from MergedMining is not a bad deal.
Instead of assuming a $11000 buyback value and then some twisted math it would be nice if you would give a number of how many MHash/s a single MERGEDMINING share would get. If i would like to invest in some other projects i would do it myself. I did post MergedMining would receive ~377(GH/s) of RSM shares if the liquidation could raise up to $11,000.
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At the moment RSM is going to save 50% of profits for growth by purchasing new assets like more ASIC's and possibly eventually even shares in other high growth companies. Although we are at the moment a primary mining focused company. As with new mining technology approaching (ASIC's) that we are embracing we don't know at what ratio network difficulty is going to grow post ASIC. So as for saving 50% to get our (MH/s)per share ratio to grow faster then the growth in network difficulty well that amount may have to increase if RSM is to stay competitive on the long term. The amount saved for reinvestment will never decrease below 50% as we would just buy into other profitable shares (as long as the market prevails) if our (MH/s)per share ratio didn't need to grow as fast to keep up with the growth in network difficulty.
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Which is very similar to what RSM was offering.
I agree they are very similar approaches. There are some things to consider though. 1) I created MergedMining and believe shareholders would prefer me taking control again. 2) I am capable of displaying real time automated statistics that would make this the most transparent fund available. 3) Emphasis would be on growing share value and not paying dividends. 4) I would be investing in different operations and not just funneling BTC to my own company. While'll agree on three of those points but RSM's takeover would be a dual aproach. In paying MergeredMining shareholders a 50% dividend and reinvesting the other 50% in profit bearing assets for MergedMining growth. Plus you can't disagree that at 124(MH/s) per BTC0.30 invested into RSM from MergedMining is not a bad deal.
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Yes please OgNasy take back over. I only was able to buy into Merged about a month ago because relativaley speaking Nasty was too expensive entry price.
If you did would you be folding into Nasty? or would you stay seperate?
If I were to take this back over, I would put up a motion to turn this into a bitcoin mining investment fund instead of a mining operation. I would arrange a share swap with NASTY to give MergedMining some immediate income and give NASTY ownership exposure to other mining operations. This would require passing motions from both sets of shareholders. MergedMining would then act as the investment arm for NASTY, so growing the portfolio's holdings would be the #1 goal. I would also set aside funds from the sale of MergedMining's equipment to put up buy orders for those who want to sell their position. I think I would be able to provide the most transparent investment fund on GLBSE with a real time automated display of the fund's holdings and NAV displayed right on the thread. I think this would give shareholders far more value than the proposed dividend plan. Which is very similar to what RSM was offering. Although if MergedMining was to bring about ~$11,000 of bitcoin into RSM then RSM could pay MergedMining over 124(MH/s)per share it buys at BTC0.30. Which means RSM would be giving MergedMining over 377(GH/s) worth of shares for ~$11,000 if MergedMining liquadtion could bring about that much. So then RSM would be operating at 720(GH/s)over ~5800 shares and as RSM is going to save 50% of profits into buying more assets then it wouldn't be long until RSM bought its first BFL-SC-MiniRig. Which would greatly increase the (MH/s)per share ratio.
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