Yeah, that's pretty much my reaction, too.  I would like to be able to enjoy that joke, because it's a good one.  It would be funny if I didn't have it in the back of my mind asking "Is he serious? WTF?"

There you go again, lying to make your point.  That's really the only way you CAN make your point, because the truth of the matter, when actually spelled out is kind of anticlimactic.  Every other ASIC manufacturer has also had delays.  No one has shipped, yet you can somehow make the above statement.  Heh... I challenge you to make a point without lying once.  Every post you make taking a shot at BFL in the past month has included at least one lie in it... so lets see you take a shot without resorting to a lie to bolster your argument.


I know!  BFL is so evil!  They are, *gasp* 2.5 months late to ship a product! The horror!  Oh the humanity!  Oh my god, how can things be so horrible!?


Normally I'd write this off as a joke, but I honestly can't tell if you're serious.  That's how ludicrous yours and others requests have been in the past... something that should obviously be a joke is so close to the current reality that it's indistinguishable from it.

What's that?  Is that the sound of your argument deflating that I hear?  It sounds like a loud fart.  Yes, that's right, you can't prove a negative, but somehow you have no problem asserting that it's undeniably true at every opportunity.  You can't have it both ways... either you can prove what you say (which you just admitted you can't) or you lie every time you make the assertion about something being true that you can't prove. 

Either way, you're a liar... but we already proved that ages ago.


Awww elux... I feel sorry for you.  You are playing in the big boy sandbox and getting trampled by both sides... you're a cute little fella though.  You keep spouting this (along with PL).  Too bad wishing for things to be true doesn't actually make them true, though.  You know what they say about wishes and horses or something like...

Oops!  There you go, lying again!  Back up your claim with some facts or it didn't happen.  You just can't help yourself can you?  You lie more than CreativeX.


And you know this how?  Oh, you don't know this, you are just making things up and hoping they are true... ergo, you are also a liar.  Again, back up your claim with facts.  If you can't, then you are lying.  Please prove that if we had received the chips in early December (or December 11th if it please you) that we could not have shipped by the end of December.  Go on, lets see you prove it.

I don't have to Puerto Libre, you do it for me every time you post.


Herp derp!  Resized photos have EXIF data stripped!  But that convenient fact must have slipped your notice, right?  Do you seriously think my phone takes 1280px pictures?


I only have what they write to judge them by.  So going by the information they have given me (in incredible volume), I would have to say yes.  Yes that are that stupid. Or... going with your theme, they are intentionally misinterpreting things to cause drama and flames, so they can garner attention and feel special?  I wonder which it is.   

Being serious for a moment, if you took what's been posted by PR, PG and even yourself to any individual on the street and gave them the background information to put the posts in context, they would think you guys are mentally unbalanced, obsessive and fixated.  They would look at the demands you guys make and recoil in horror or humor as to the complete lunacy that is on display here on a regular basis.  The latest is that you want a copy of our lease agreements and building permits.  You guys are seriously requesting this.  It's not a joke.  That is what has been requested.  The list goes on and on the farther back you go in the post history.  You guys are really mentally unbalanced, I truly believe this.  Does it make any difference?  No, not really.  You are what you are and when I can go back and forth with you over the same thing over and over, it keeps the BFL thread(s) at the top of the list, which gives us exposure, which in turn drives sales.  The few (very few) sales that it has "cost" us pale in comparison to what we gain from the exposure (Our cancellations from my posting(s) can be counted on one hand.  At least, that we know of.  I'm sure there are some we don't know of, but the total refund requests we have received are minuscule.). 

I was, in fact, being quite serious above. I would have abandoned this type of discourse a long time ago if I wasn't literally getting paid to take the abuse you guys dish out.  One of the key aspects of this portion of my job is that I am familiar and experienced with the kind of drama that fuels this type of forum and have been a part of this archetype forum and its predecessors since the late 80's.  People who aren't embedded in this culture usually can't tolerate the vitriol filled hate that is dished out at the drop of a hat and just switch off.  You and the rest of the crew want someone to direct your impotent rage at for your various reasons and I provide a convenient target. The fact that I seemingly disregard or dismiss your intelligent (to you) discourse as being stupid, pedantic or irrelevant just fuels that impotent rage further.  To normal, every day society the "intelligent discourse" you guys dole out in volumes every day appears to be the rumblings and ravings of lunatics... but once you can get past the blather and bluster, there actually is a message there on occasion and that's where I come in.  I have to wade through all your crap and pick out the peanuts of truth that actually need to be addressed... the rest can be discarded.  So yes, I discard most of what you say, because it truly is crap. You so very rarely have anything of value to contribute, but when that nugget of goodness comes along, I address it and we move on and the cycle repeats.  What's unfortunate is that this far into the cycles (yes, primarily by our delays), you guys just end up repeating the same crap over and over (and screaming louder and louder presumably in the hope that someone will listen) and those nuggets are fewer and far between, so we end up with days and days of your same shit slinging because there's nothing new and you guys are not, unfortunately, creative enough to come up with anything new. 

At first, I figured you (by you, I don't mean just you CreativeX, but the entire BFL clown crew) would give up and eventually move on... but boy did I turn out to be wrong.  You guys are like the rat that keeps pushing the button for more cocaine to the exclusion of all else, until it dies.  I've even told you directly that this is what I'm doing, but you keep coming back for more.  In the beginning I thought if someone caught on to what was happening the jig was up, but apparently those fears were unfounded. I can tell you to your face that I am pushing your buttons specifically to get a rise out of you and you still respond to the button pushing.  It's kind of liberating and I am curious how exactly far it can be taken... How far will you let me push you, even though you know you are being driven? 

8 @ 4

No, they don't fall into the same bracket by any stretch of the imagination, lets see why:

a) They are customers.  You are not.
b) They aren't here bitching and whining.  You are.


See, the difference is I get paid to be here.  You don't.  If was not getting paid to respond to your stupidity, believe me, I wouldn't.  You are about as interesting as 3 day old vomit... but since sparring with people like you drives sales, here I am.  What's your excuse?


Really?  So you know my daily routine huh?  Stalker much?


Really?  How's it going with your ASIC mining?  What's that, you don't have any?  Ohhh... so basically you just wrote a bunch of bullshit, what a surprise.


See above.  This is part of my job you dolt.  Again, what is your excuse?


You're right... I am getting to the point of phoning it in lately.  I do find it pleasing that you view me as sitting at the keyboard, intently staring at the screen and raging at people like you.  The truth of the matter is, I whip out my missive in a minute or two and then completely forget about it until I click the "Unread Topics" again.  There's no rage here man, I honestly don't care what you think or what you post for the most part.  Yes, it sometimes annoys me when you post the more egregious lies you are so fond of, but it's a fairly minor annoyance and passes quickly.  For the most part, I don't give you a second thought except for those fleeting moments I type a reply like this.  Like I said, you are pretty much meaningless in the scheme of things and you have no value either as a participant in Bitcoin or as a human being (much like CreativeX), so I don't really waste any time on you beyond what's required to do my job.  You are not a customer, you will never be a customer and we never want you to be a customer. 


The caps I used were for a) comedic effect and b) to prove a point - all your writing is basically rhetoric ungrounded in reality.  Your alarmist postings, filled with false information is akin to the ALL CAPS!!!11! I use, which demonstrate how ridiculous what you write really is.  I guess I gave you too much credit for figuring that out.  I will revise my estimate of your intelligence further downwards.

PS - Why do you tinfoil hat types assume all the pictures I posted were taken yesterday?  In fact, if you stopped and used your brain for even two seconds, you'd realize that the pictures couldn't have been taken recently, since some of them show the same space in different states... ergo they were taken awhile ago.  Duh.  I guess critical thinking is too much to ask.

You're here, being verbally abused by me and trolling Bitcoin Talk... need I really say more?

Yes, that's right.  You and all the other speculators don't get it because it's immaterial.  People like PG speculate with nothing but conjecture and then pronounce it as doctrine and try to convince everyone that this is the way it is.  What you, PG, PL etc... fail to understand is that BFL is not beholden to answering stupid, idiotic questions at every turn.  We are not beholden to individuals asking for information that has absolutely no bearing on anything even vaguely related to our products.  There is a long string of events that has lead us to where we are now and every single one of them has not been made public.  Why you and others think that we should make every single facet of our business public knowledge is beyond incredulous.  It's positively insane.  

You criticize us for not providing information, estimates, documents and disclosure.  So we provide that. Then you criticize us when what we've told you turns out to be different in the end because, gasp things change.  Situations change. Technology changes.  Information changes.  

What I find most telling, however, is the fact that the most vocal critics are the ones who have never accomplished anything in life.  They are on a forum, bitching about how bad BFL is... that is the extent of their contribution to the process.  They have never done anything like what we are doing, they will never do anything like what we are doing, but they have the temerity to bitch and whine.  So, once again, it begs the question:  If you can do better; if you think BFL does it so poorly... why aren't you doing it?  Why aren't you showing us how it's done?  Why aren't you raking in the dough with your business prowess?  Why... are you on a forum, verbally sparring with someone like me?  If BFL is so crappy, why does it dwarf all other vendors, combined several times over?  Yes, let me hear your answers, PG, CreativeX, Syke, Frizz, et al.  Let me hear why you choose not be successful and instead spend your time getting verbally abused by me instead?  

Was that miner on US2 or US3?  US2 was fine during that whole time, but US3 was having some issues... but as I said, it should not have reported a found block regardless.

It obviously leaves me so far ahead of you that you can't even see me flash my ass at you.

Sorry to burst your bubble sparky, the only people who "laugh in my face" are idiots like you, creativex and the BFL clown posse who cry and whine because they don't get all sorts of nice proprietary information and I tell you what an idiot you are to your face, instead of kowtowing to your whiny, bitchy, petty little demands.  So go ahead, cry me a river about how I don't post facts (even though BFL has posted more facts and evidence of our operation than any other vendor), then build a bridge and get over it, because you are too stupid to understand what I post or able to differentiate between reasonable and unreasonable demands.  Yes, go ahead, tell me again how I need to post FACTS!!!!!!1! I love to hear you whine about how BFL is so evil, yet you can't come up with anything damning other than "ZOMG!!!!!1!! you didn't ship in October!" and the ever present "ZOMG!!!1!!1 you didn't post proper power estimates a year and a half ago with your first product!!!"  Or!  Or!! You can trot out the tired old "4-6 weeks hurr durr!!"

Yes, that's right, that's the sum total of your arsenal for why BFL is evil:  We are late shipping and screwed up our power estimates on our first product a year and a half ago.  With the level of hysteria you and a couple others make over these HORRIBLE (HORRIBLE I SAY) acts by BFL, you'd think we killed your dog and took away your birthday while beating Santa down and rifling through his bag of presents that were suppose to be ALL FOR YOU!!  OH NOES!

So keep on whining, because it's completely meaningless to anyone with a modicum of common sense.


Yes, because I'm going to randomly post documents from a contractor that I keep at my house (This is sarcasm if you didn't catch it) on the internet for a bunch of idiots who ask for the most ludicrous things, but yet even when said ludicrous things are given it's still not enough.  "Glaring discrepancies."  That almost makes me LOLers, but not quite.  Poor CreativeX, all butt hurt because we are 2.5 months late in shipping and his pet bASIC all but run off with his pre-order money.







The stupidity of some people never ceases to amaze me.

You keep saying this, but as per your usual mode of operations you are just pulling "facts" out of your ass.  This is why I call you an idiot.  You do not know the first thing about BFLs financials or how we work, yet you keep making these grand pronouncements as if you do.  I would ask you to stop, but you and both know you're incapable of telling the truth in your posts.  Nearly everything you post, at least with regards to BFL is a lie one way or another and this is just another example of your inability to separate your little fantasy world in your head (the way you wish things were) with the way things actually are.  You whine and cry about how mean I am to you and how it's hurting BFL's business... but guess what, you are wrong.  Most people here think you're an idiot and every time I make a post pointing out how stupid you are, our sales jump.  Yes, I'm serious about this... I already pointed it out to you in the previous thread(s) that I only post on here when things slow down sales wise.  The more you post your stupidity, the more ammunition you give me to refute your lies and BS.  If you stopped posting lies, I would have nothing to post... but yet you are (apparently) incapable of refraining from posting false information about BFL.  So I thank you for that.

You complain about my lack of professionalism.  Sir, I ask you why you think you deserve professionalism?  You have done nothing but attack me and BFL from the start.  You have done nothing but post false information and blatant lies time after time.  Tell me, why do you think you deserve ANY respect what so ever?  You are a troll, plain and simple.  You deserve nothing but contempt and disdain.  

Just as a side note for all the dumbasses that seem fixated on 1200 sq ft.  WTF?  Where does this logic even come from?  Why would we rent only 1200 sq feet of warehouse space?  How does that even make any sense?  This is why I call some people idiots.  You start spouting this nonsense like it makes perfect sense and then run with it.  It's seriously the Special Olympics here half the time.  ZOMG!  They rented 1200 sq feet of space, it must mean they can't manufacture anything!  Never mind that other 4800 sq feet that's mentioned, we'll conveniently ignore that because you can't possibly rearrange the inside of a building to suit your needs, because that's IMPOSSIBLE!!!!1!!!1 ZOMG BFL IS LYING!~!!!  There is no way a website can be inaccurate!  Everything posted on the internet is true!  OMG!!!!!!!!1! BFL IS LYING!!!1!!!! OMG!!!!

You might have to ask Con about how block reporting works, I'm not sure.  I know there was some question recently about a similar subject (I think it was a max share issue) that reported erroneous difficulty levels or shares.  There was a problem with US3 yesterday, but I can't imagine the problem would result in reporting erroneous blocks.  Do you have any idea what time that took place?

Yes, absolutely.  You've far eclipsed everyone else in denseness.  While some others are a neutron star level, you've exceeded that and slipped into the multiple solar mass singularity denseness.


Show me a valid concern that has not been addressed yet.  Oh that's right, one hasn't been raised.  As I said, there are no inconsistencies with BFL's statements on the subject.  The only inconsistency is some idiot with a web browser who doesn't understand what he's looking at.  It's not my job to protect idiots like you from yourselves.

Riiight, keep telling yourself that champ.

Dude, read back on some of Puerto Libres  posts (if he hasn't edited or deleted them by now), especially in the bASIC thread if you want creepy stalker shit.  The guy is obsessed with me.  This is tame by comparison.

SgtSpike, you are usually pretty rational and I respect your opinion quite a bit, but are you really advocating that I release details about our lease information?  I'm sorry, but that is just utterly ridiculous.  There are no discrepancies in the statements made by BFL.  The only discrepancy here is the validity of the "detective" work that's been done.  I've posted pictures of the equipment in the past on the BFL forums, but just because some idiot on the internet reads a questionable website and then makes up bizarre scenarios to fit some twisted, tortured logic does not constitute a situation where I need to explain the inner workings of BFL.  I probably should have just let PG and PR drone on about tinfoil hat crap, but I figured I'd interject real quick to let everyone know that everything they've posted is ludicrous.

Stop and consider for a moment... people are seriously asking for our lease information.  Seriously.  I am almost speechless.  Call up any other hardware vendor in the world and ask them for a copy of their lease, see what they tell you.

By all means, people are welcome to believe it if they want it honestly makes no difference.  BFL has been more open than any other ASIC vendor with regards to our technology and our procedures, but as usual we don't get any credit because dumbasses want anal probes and access to proprietary, competitive information.  It's those self same individuals that have pushed us back from releasing more information, because any time we do, it's picked apart and if everything doesn't turn out EXACTLY like we were hoping it would, we get a bad rap.  So it's better to say nothing and let people wonder.  That's what the unreasonable demands for information have brought us to.  This is just another example of it.

So PG and PR, by all means, continue your tinfoil hat speculation.

God... you have to be the most dense person I have ever met.  What is there to say?  Do you honestly expect me to detail our move and leasing information to Bitcointalk?  Seriously?  Is that seriously the position you're taking?  Like I said... dense.


Yes, I will point "them" out.  Look at everything you wrote on the subject, that is what's false.


Provide what valid information?  Also, why?  I fail to see how detailing our facility, structure and moving plans have absolutely any bearing on anything.  YOU tell ME why you deserve or even need to know any of that information?


Why do you think this is any of your business?  Why do you care what we use "valuable resources" on?

Seriously... every single thing you've posted has been complete and utter bullshit.  You have no idea what you're talking about, you continue to post and your little pet PuertoLibre continues to "agree" with "assessments" that are not based in reality or fact.  But by all means, continue to speculate away, I'm sure you find it amusing.

The usual band of idiots have no idea what they are talking about... what a surprise.  For those wondering, everything PG, PL, et al is completely false and as usual they are just making things up without that pesky reality thing getting in the way.