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I think the answer will depend more on the success of Ethereum in the future. It will all depend on Buterin himself now. Stick to the project and make it a success with ETH going up and staying up or the project failing will probably satisfy lots of people from both sides of the argument.
Only time will tell.
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What makes you think Bitshares is a scam? They clearly have a nice looking project. Arguably better than BTC technically depending on how you see it imo. you can get some bitshares and play with yourself or other 10 people. adoption, adoption, chance for bitshares adoption = 0.00000% That doesn't make it a scam. It sort of does in the sense that you are playing greater fool where someone is inevitably left holding the bag if there isn't actual adoption at the end of the story. I don't take as hard a line on it as benthach does, and I think some alt projects are actually trying to achieve that adoption, but I also think there is a huge portion of this scene that is effectively a massively multiplayer online gambling game where whoever sells last (or not at all) loses. So Bitcoin could be called the same thing if there weren't enough users? Nice avatar btw.  It could, somewhat. I view it as less so because when Bitcoin was launched there was no precedent that it would ever have any monetary value at all. There were no markets to trade on. The concept of a crypto investor didn't even exist. Today (and especially in 2013-2014) it is much, much easier to just be an opportunist. True true. But do you honestly think Buterin started Ethereum with a malicious plan to scam people out of their money from the beginning? Words like "malicious" and "scam" are really subjective. I do think he started it with the intent to take a lot of investors money and put it in his and his friends' pocket, while not really making a solemn commitment to be a good custodian of the investors' money and deliver what was promised (and not treat the money as his personal playground to spend on and work on whatever the hell he felt like). And in the end that is exactly how it has worked out. I don't think he intended to just take the money and run, delivering nothing at all. That's also consistent with how it worked out. So, scam, or not scam. Malicious or not malicious. Everyone can decide individually how to characterize it. So he scammed people without making it look like an outright scam. What is the state of the project btw? Edit: Don't answer that. I'll make a new thread asking how the frontier release is, and how it was received. Or I'll just do my own research and go through their forum if I'm not lazy. Anyway, nice talk. You have opened my eyes to the possibility that there could be a new category of scumbag in crypto. And it could be the lowest of the low at that. Thanks. |
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Buterin is well meaning. It isn't like he planned to scam people from the beginning. And wtf are you trying to do by opening this thread. Edit: Oh and sock puppets coming up... I'm just trying to figure out how people are going to rationalize this. What are they going to say? Oh, Vitalik has this enormous brain so he's allowed to do this, he only did it once after all (that we know of). Bob, on the other hand, has a much smaller brain, therefore he's not allowed to make money doing this. I'm not even sure that's true. Bob is brilliant in his own way. I also think in a sense Bob is more honest because he at least is up front (at some level) with what he is doing. Vitalik is "well-meaning" as tokeweed calls it only in the sense that he isn't even honest with himself about it (I think -- no way to know for sure). So you're basically saying Buterin had a malicious plan of scamming people out of their money from the beginning while keeping a front of a well meaning individual who's trying to create something great? |
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ulterior motives and personal agendas that's motivating them in tarnishing Ethereum
I just think we're doing a disservice to Bob. Too much praise and an almost cult like following is being given to Vitalik. Bob should be given speaking engagements as well. lol. wtffff? |
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people can creating virtually anything surrounding bitcoin but they're not doing it, because it don't make them money Why would they though? Lots of people bought Bitcoin really cheap (Max Keiser), so now you're supposed to do a bunch of work on top of Bitcoin to make rich people more rich instead of attempting to make yourself rich? You can't really fault them trying. Just stop trying to classify Vitalik as the pope or something. He pulled a typical Bobsurplus scam.Same can be said to lots of other individuals in crypto. BCNext, Bytemaster, Jed McCaleb, Evan.. etc etc.. Really? He collected 21 Bitcoins @ ~$120 USD and didn't even get a stake. i already answered
What makes you think Bitshares is a scam? They clearly have a nice looking project. Arguably better than BTC technically depending on how you see it imo. you can get some bitshares and play with yourself or other 10 people. adoption, adoption, chance for bitshares adoption = 0.00000% That doesn't make it a scam. if you don't know 100% developer/s usually making money and first one to get out, this is considered opportunist scam pyramid in my book. this will continue on and on. But Bytemaster is still with the project he started and is still trying to create new stuff in crypto development pushing the envelop. And that's the thing, how can you call him a "scammer" in the same sense as Bobsurplus is a real scammer. I may also seize brownie points from any account if you fall out of favor and anyone who complains in any way about how Brownie Points are issued or how I use Brownie Points is certainly not in my favor and may lose any Brownie Points they have earned. -Bytemaster, Dan Larimer Bah. I know you know what I mean... Some people just have it in black or white where they classify Buterin and Bobsurplus in the same type of people (scammers) and refuse to look at the situation more closely and refuse to accept the fact that it is more complicated than that. Mentioning those names was more like expressing a rhetoric rather than outright saying "Hey these people are scammers too." |
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What makes you think Bitshares is a scam? They clearly have a nice looking project. Arguably better than BTC technically depending on how you see it imo. you can get some bitshares and play with yourself or other 10 people. adoption, adoption, chance for bitshares adoption = 0.00000% That doesn't make it a scam. It sort of does in the sense that you are playing greater fool where someone is inevitably left holding the bag if there isn't actual adoption at the end of the story. I don't take as hard a line on it as benthach does, and I think some alt projects are actually trying to achieve that adoption, but I also think there is a huge portion of this scene that is effectively a massively multiplayer online gambling game where whoever sells last (or not at all) loses. So Bitcoin could be called the same thing if there weren't enough users? Nice avatar btw. It could, somewhat. I view it as less so because when Bitcoin was launched there was no precedent that it would ever have any monetary value at all. There were no markets to trade on. The concept of a crypto investor didn't even exist. Today (and especially in 2013-2014) it is much, much easier to just be an opportunist. True true. But do you honestly think Buterin started Ethereum with a malicious plan to scam people out of their money from the beginning? |
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i already answered
What makes you think Bitshares is a scam? They clearly have a nice looking project. Arguably better than BTC technically depending on how you see it imo. you can get some bitshares and play with yourself or other 10 people. adoption, adoption, chance for bitshares adoption = 0.00000% That doesn't make it a scam. if you don't know 100% developer/s usually making money and first one to get out, this is considered opportunist scam pyramid in my book. this will continue on and on. But Bytemaster is still with the project he started and is still trying to create new stuff in crypto development pushing the envelop. And that's the thing, how can you call him a "scammer" in the same sense as Bobsurplus is a real scammer. |
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i already answered
What makes you think Bitshares is a scam? They clearly have a nice looking project. Arguably better than BTC technically depending on how you see it imo. you can get some bitshares and play with yourself or other 10 people. adoption, adoption, chance for bitshares adoption = 0.00000% That doesn't make it a scam. It sort of does in the sense that you are playing greater fool where someone is inevitably left holding the bag if there isn't actual adoption at the end of the story. I don't take as hard a line on it as benthach does, and I think some alt projects are actually trying to achieve that adoption, but I also think there is a huge portion of this scene that is effectively a massively multiplayer online gambling game where whoever sells last (or not at all) loses. So Bitcoin could be called the same thing if there weren't enough users? Nice avatar btw. |
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i already answered
What makes you think Bitshares is a scam? They clearly have a nice looking project. Arguably better than BTC technically depending on how you see it imo. you can get some bitshares and play with yourself or other 10 people. adoption, adoption, chance for bitshares adoption = 0.00000% That doesn't make it a scam. |
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What makes you think Bitshares is a scam? They clearly have a nice looking project. Arguably better than BTC technically depending on how you see it imo. |
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people can creating virtually anything surrounding bitcoin but they're not doing it, because it don't make them money Why would they though? Lots of people bought Bitcoin really cheap (Max Keiser), so now you're supposed to do a bunch of work on top of Bitcoin to make rich people more rich instead of attempting to make yourself rich? You can't really fault them trying. Just stop trying to classify Vitalik as the pope or something. He pulled a typical Bobsurplus scam. i have never praise anyone in this forum beside satoshi. vilatik is just another opportunist scammer just like anyone else in this altcoins scam scene. Ok.. Besides Buterin, who do you think are the other 'scammers' in the Crypto 2.0 scene? everyone. there is no reason for crypto 2.0, crypto 3.0, or crypto 4.0, they're all opportunist looking to make money out of dumb morons like i said again and again, people can creating virtually anything surround bitcoin. I get what you're saying. But what do you think of Bytemaster of Bitshares? Is he an opportunist scammer too? I mean honestly... |
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people can creating virtually anything surrounding bitcoin but they're not doing it, because it don't make them money Why would they though? Lots of people bought Bitcoin really cheap (Max Keiser), so now you're supposed to do a bunch of work on top of Bitcoin to make rich people more rich instead of attempting to make yourself rich? You can't really fault them trying. Just stop trying to classify Vitalik as the pope or something. He pulled a typical Bobsurplus scam. i have never praise anyone in this forum beside satoshi. vilatik is just another opportunist scammer just like anyone else in this altcoins scam scene. Ok.. Besides Buterin, who do you think are the other 'scammers' in the Crypto 2.0 scene? |
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Sometimes crypto makes me just go "wtf ? " Ethereum announces that they've nearly run out of cash, won't be able to finish the project.......and the price goes up. Nxt rolls out a major project in Greece with few hitches, and has a great conference presence in Rotterdam with loads of good PR......the price drops.  I'll be over here, banging my head against the wall for a while............ 
Not to be a jerk or sound arrogant, but I think it's pretty obvious what the deal is. For the most part, no one gives a shit what kind of tech you roll out or what it's potential is. Most of the people in the crypto space are day trading junkies who care if they can flip the shit for a profit in the next 5-30 minutes. Building complex projects in Greece? Conferences? What does that do for them? You aren't gonna draw in their lot like that. (Who make up the majority atm) People like Bitcoin because it's simple and works in doing what it claims it can do. These 2.0 platforms are just a big ? for most people. Failing to see your own weaknesses and thinking of how to compensate for them is one of the biggest blunders to be had IMO.You go girl! |
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^ Exactly. It's just people who are supporting and have invested heavily in other projects have their own ulterior motives and personal agendas that's motivating them in tarnishing Ethereum when it hasn't really been in the market that long.
And these same people should know what it's like. The project they support has been accused of being a scam one way or another at some point and they should be the ones that shouldn't be attempting in doing the same thing. But hey, we're only human...
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people can creating virtually anything surrounding bitcoin but they're not doing it, because it don't make them money Why would they though? Lots of people bought Bitcoin really cheap (Max Keiser), so now you're supposed to do a bunch of work on top of Bitcoin to make rich people more rich instead of attempting to make yourself rich? You can't really fault them trying. Just stop trying to classify Vitalik as the pope or something. He pulled a typical Bobsurplus scam.Same can be said to lots of other individuals in crypto. BCNext, Bytemaster, Jed McCaleb, Evan.. etc etc.. |
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It was obvious. Last year it was sold at 2000 ETH / 1 BTC.
Well, back then the scene was different, now we have working software - back then we had only promises. Edit: *Seemingly working software* I should say. True. But it's still going down. What does that tell you? |
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what a bunch of whiners you all have become LOL  This is true. So many whiners in these parts. |
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Buterin is well meaning. It isn't like he planned to scam people from the beginning. And wtf are you trying to do by opening this thread. Edit: Oh and sock puppets coming up... I'm just trying to figure out how people are going to rationalize this. What are they going to say? Oh, Vitalik has this enormous brain so he's allowed to do this, he only did it once after all (that we know of). Bob, on the other hand, has a much smaller brain, therefore he's not allowed to make money. Nah. It just didn't work out for him. But it's still too early to say really. Ethereum could still succeed, you know.. I think he just bit a whole lot more than he can chew. But he'll figure it out. He needs to be strong in mind from here on. |
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Buterin is well meaning. It isn't like he planned to scam people from the beginning. And wtf are you trying to do by opening this thread. Edit: Oh and sock puppets coming up... Edit 2: And the same can be and have been said to the other devs behind the other crypto 2.0 projects. But some of them aren't 'scams'. |
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I think there is evidence that ryans group owns the supply for all of the coins in the market right now
How do we feel about this and how will we drive these manipulators out of the market FOR GOOD
Where did you hear about this and where is the evidence? |
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