I'll check but I still think the official 0.9.1 archival copy should be posted by a Foundation member on the new site.

Recommend you officially archive it in a sticky post on the new site.

Microsoft Access will open a .db file, as will SQLite in Linux.  You could also open it and resave it as a CSV file which would allow its use in Excel or other spreadsheets.

Nope to both.

The 4.9M account is not me.

71 of the 101 Club have accounts that are not listed in the 0.2.0 genesis block; they were funded by 0.1.9 transfers that are no longer a part of the public record.  The other 30 are listed in the 0.2.0 genesis block.  No way to track ownership of any delegate accounts back to "larger" accounts.

This is why I keep saying we need to publish the entire 0.2.0 genesis block and the 0.1.9 delegate list balances when they forged 0.2.0 Block 1 and publically verify this all totals to exactly 100M Crypti.  There are no transaction records left to document anything that happened before the switch to 0.2.0.

Is there any way for Lin to give you emails addresses of the Bter accounts that still own Crypti?  Looks like that is the only way left to alert folks to keep draining Crypti from Bter, since in the past week withdrawals there have stalled.   The Bter hot wallet has had less than 10K withdrawals in the past week.  Getting Bter to zero is obviously still a priority, even after the "victory" of getting them low enough to allow 0.2.0 launch.

By the way, is it public knowledge who "owns" the 8.4M, 5.4M and 4.9M accounts just below the official 11.3M Foundation account?  No big deal if they want to keep that quiet...

Only 0.5M for sale at Polo.  When will Cryptsy get their 0.2.0 wallet online and allow withdrawals again?

I sent in a ticket too but I am not qualified to make an official statement about current XCR status.  They had trading on April 11 but zero XCR trading in the past 24 to 36 hours.  It seems that there is ongoing miscommunication that needs to be addressed - 15 BTC on the buy side vanished with the freeze announcement and hasn't come back.  With Bter closing and Cryptsy stuck on an old wallet, Poloniex is the ONLY fully functioning exchange to bring in new Crypti members.  I understand not worrying about price during development.  Still, smooth trading on Polo at SOME market price is critical for XCR to be viewed as a healthy coin.  Trading at Poloniex should be monitored and nurtured and watered like a rose in the desert until we branch out to other exchanges.

I've been thinking about this some more.  If this is all some kind of snafu where Polo misinterpreted a temporary shutdown of withdrawals as a true coin freeze, then it's not enough for Polo to just say in their Notices box, "XCR unfrozen."  May I suggest:

"XCR unfrozen, devs announce successful changeover to new 0.2.0 DPoS blockchain".

Take a look at the Notices box on the right side of the Poloniex XCR page:

https://poloniex.com/exchange#btc_xcr

"XCR Frozen at Dev request. - Posted by GeezUp at 2015-04-09 17:17:27"

CRYPTI DEVS HAVE DECLARED TO THE WORLD THAT XCR IS A FROZEN COIN.  AS FAR AS THE REST OF THE WORLD KNOWS, CRYPTI STILL REMAINS A FROZEN COIN.  

Think PR 101, guys.  If Crypti's still frozen, it's time for an official statement why.  If Crypti's not frozen anymore, somebody should ask GeezUp at Poloniex to share that info with their 68,000 traders.

There was pretty good momentum going at Polo with the 0.2.0 launch, with 15 BTC and rising on the buy side.  Momentum is a very precious resource, hard to obtain and hard to regain.  Killing trading momentum by freezing the coin, never saying why to anybody, and not officially discussing status or lifting the freeze after four days?  Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know all the facts here, but this kinda looks to me like either price suppression or an unnecessary shot in the foot....

I would pay a 1K fee for 10 new delegates as well.

100% agree that Americans are NOT critical of what non-native-English speakers say or how they say it.  We are mainly in awe that somebody wants to learn and use our language.  

Americans as a group certainly don't work hard at all to learn anybody else's language, and I think that's a big problem.  We are isolated by two oceans, the longest border in the world that we share with another English speaking country, a love-hate relationship with Mexico and a whole lot of smugness.  I would be lost on the Internet without Google Translate and the auto translation feature in the Chrome browser.  I would be lost on world affairs without the British press (Telegraph, Guardian, Daily Mail, etc), The Economist, and the BBC.

And of course, www.zerohedge.com .  Everybody in the world should read Zero Hedge daily.  The comments in particular will do wonders for your dry sense of humor.

    

I totally agree.  Nurture and support those who would set up Crypti nodes out of their own pocket and do all you can to make it easy for them.

Another similar topic I hope you discuss in your Sunday meeting is lowering the "second passphrase" registration fee from 100 Crypti to 1 Crypti.  DON'T MAKE BETTER SECURITY EXPENSIVE TO A CRYPTI USER.  When I was in NXT during the early days, I ranted a lot for this feature to be added (I called it an "account freeze code").  To my knowledge it still isn't incorporated into NXT and would have prevented a lot of sadness.  I am thrilled to see this option baselined early on in Crypti.  

Believe me, sometime soon you WILL have your first user who loses all his Crypti from (a) using a weak first password and (b) not using a second password because "it was too expensive".  Believe me, the bad publicity Crypti will get from this incident will not be worth the benefit you currently perceive from charging an extra 100 XCR fee for the second password.    

No.  

But to quote a famous Russian proverb:


(lyrically pronounced "doveryai, no proveryai" - in English, "trust, but verify")

I think the Foundation must eventually publish an official 0.2.0 genesis block listing that shows how Crypti got split among various accounts.  With the existing blockchain tools, we can currently only see how 83M Crypti got split into 1030 accounts.  See:

http://forum.crypti.me/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=14&p=29.

I thought this genesis block would trace the flow of all 100M original Crypti.  Now you acknowledge that 71 accounts were sent a relatively small amount of Crypti during 0.1.9g, formed the initial DPoS network, and then the rest of the Crypti was allocated to everybody else via the 0.2.0 genesis block.  This implies the 0.2.0 genesis block will not total up to exactly 100M Crypti, but will be short of that amount by the allocations to the 0.1.9g DPoS delegates.  I understand the chicken-and-egg problem of doing a live changeover from random forger selection in 0.1.9g to DPoS in 0.2.0.  All I'm saying that there eventually needs to be a public accounting of all original Crypti, listing how much  went to 0.9.1g DPoS delegates and how much want to 0.2.0 genesis block account holders.   This should equal 100M Crypti.  Right?

My "unofficial" audit of the 0.2.0 genesis block continues.

The launch Delegates seem to be divided into two categories.  Thirty of them appear to have received their initial funds from the genesis block; 71 did not.

Example of a launch Delegate (MatthewDC_D8) who DID receive funding from genesis block 5776140615420062008C :

http://cryptichain.me/address/14247409726405533857C

Example of a launch Delegate (Eden) who DID NOT receive funding from genesis block 5776140615420062008C :

http://cryptichain.me/address/9859538319768690939C

How can these 71 of the 0.2.0 launch Delegates have balances of 89-546 XCR yet be listed as not receiving anything from the Genesis block?  I'm not saying there's a problem, I'm just curious.

3565826425219325020C   Altocumulus
16278092281804737244C   Altostratus
2380696413433400133C   amanai
16839601737264552845C   Ancientlsland
271917689863637779C   arman
15062611130211516229C   AuroraBorealis
6857786444510044466C   betgames
13761958397096641799C   betoncrypti
17066321379878999227C   boris
4569432989127607205C   boris.povod
7169185712599489286C   casino
3845944164755773663C   Castellanus
13050378600212228331C   CircularRuins
17799957587228287753C   Cirrocumulus
11533506492557543997C   Cirrostratus
9353465866155531913C   Cirrus
2426454799238015753C   contracts
12907382053545086321C   CryptiChain
12123217479132652740C   Cumulonimbus
6906075784294464530C   Cumulus
16744064620615279756C   dice
13596536468540824628C   dungeon
9859538319768690939C   Eden
3164503816605772068C   escrow
2923900640474627285C   FoldedSpace
13586602486526987820C   foundation1
15640417963432850955C   foundation10
15061906093079335743C   foundation2
3183024722088882857C   foundation3
15081857114606570493C   foundation4
2743494191964345023C   foundation5
9875329237540635817C   foundation6
2736737460208869860C   foundation7
14980463725237974739C   foundation8
16973198686390693351C   foundation9
299866428029474192C   freecrypti
988383995317865446C   game
5494483666286183950C   Helios
4333578718627738832C   HiddenRefuge
7284439696379462685C   InvisibleTemple
16673786669120022893C   Karmacoma
16900133933617201709C   Karmacrypto
2599368386119323694C   lead.developer
3756179203415685654C   Lenticularis
18023424050211767455C   loan
16850453698984579961C   LostCaverns
543061655884518709C   mail
9656600697829963790C   Max
7678823147384489277C   Nimbostratus
6792309056975795343C   poker
10043237564144131665C   shop
4910526290546453226C   slots
13598680577428266915C   stasDelegate1
9518721338988378898C   stasDelegate10
2926878618042708741C   stasDelegate2
13176586639083889836C   stasDelegate3
16091788763446591200C   stasDelegate4
8236506276161235684C   stasDelegate5
2011594114669289258C   stasDelegate6
424435963096763928C   stasDelegate7
4410118520109299565C   stasDelegate8
323231600253096548C   stasDelegate9
1854703511336956013C   Stratocumulus
304352329629149778C   Stratus
5102559882264715988C   trade
14660423213324916441C   X
12603759787462102083C   x10
10467957800513160859C   x100
7469857949824285998C   x2
679184477685013153C   x5
3408016925706666393C   xxx

YES!  My point exactly from six months ago!

The incentive to protect the Crypti DPoS network is ultimately philosophical, not financial.  The Crypti DPoS network eliminates the PoW huge waste of mining resources and the hoarding problems of PoS.  The Crypti ten-second blocktime coordination among a small, controlled forging group supports lightning fast transaction confirmation times and fantastic levels of transactions-per-second.

Currently there is no high bar to becoming a Delegate.  You can become a 0.2.0 launch delegate by going to Poloniex and spending less than $50 on the required 10K XCR.  If you want to set up a Crypti node, you can do it.

Crypti represents a revolution.  Support it and set up a Delegate node not to get rich, but because it is the future of cryptocurrency and will outlast Bitcoin.

And if you happen to get rich by holding a portion of 0.2.0 relaunch Crypti that appreciates tens or hundreds of times from the launch price, well, deal with it.

For the record, please do not think I am critical of Crypti because I post harsh numbers on forging.  I am very excited about the prospect of this coin and I could not be happier about the DPoS system that Crypti has set up.  DPoS is a huge advancement over PoW mining or PoS hoarding or even PoT.

I will be setting up a node and applying to be a Delegate this weekend.

Ultimately I think the 10K Delegate fee will have to be lowered drastically or dropped entirely.  Realization will dawn that establishment of nodes fueled by user dedication are more important than user fees collected.  The fees aren't a prerequisite for the dedication.

The path to a strong coin requires many steps with much adjustment of parameters as we go.  The important thing for now is that Crypti is on the right path at last.

(For future reference, I have also posted the summary below at the main Crypti board as "Crypti DPoS Delegate Economics":  http://forum.crypti.me/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=17)

Earning Crypti in your pocket takes A LOT of Crypti leaving other pockets.

If you want to think in terms of Crypti instead of dollars:  

How many Crypti you get in a month by being a Delegate is totally dependent on the monthly traffic in Crypti handled by the system.  

For you to make 1 Crypti as a Delegate, the entire DPoS system has to process total transfers between users of 112.2K Crypti at 0.1% fee.  

For you to make 10K Crypti as a Delegate SOLELY FROM USER TO USER TRANSACTION FEES, the entire DPoS system has to process total transfers between users of 1.122 BILLION Crypti - every single Crypti in existence has to change hands 11 times at 0.1% fee.
 
These numbers are constant regardless of the market value of Crypti.

The 10K Crypti that are surrendered in fees by a user that wants to become a Delegate is a special case.   These Crypti are split directly between the other Delegates and the Foundation, with each EXISTING Delegate receiving 90 Crypti upon the application of a NEW Delegate.  So if you are an early Delegate, you will get your initial 10K entry fee back once 112 other users apply to become a Delegate.  However, I personally  wouldn't recommend depending on this special circumstance as a payback method to recoup your Delegate fee.  It obviously isn't going to work for all Delegate applicants.

Running a real-world node takes real-world money.

If you want to think in terms of dollars and pay your server costs:

Say you are a Delegate running a node and you need to make $10 per month forging to pay for your node costs.  Crypti is currently $0.004 each.  Let's say that when 0.2.0 launches the value of Crypti pops 2.5X to a penny each or $0.01 each.  As a node, to get your $10 you have to "clear" as your monthly fee cut $10/$0.01 = 1000 Crypti.   That's your take AFTER you pay a 10% "tax" to the Foundation.  In order for you to put 1000 XCR in your pocket every month you've got to take in as fees a total of 1111 Crypti, with 111 going to the Foundation and 1000 going to you.  This is true for all 101 delegates, so the total fees required to let ALL forgers break even at $10 per month is 1111 X 101 = 112,211 Crypti.  

Thus for a "breakeven month" with a $0.01 Crypti value 2.5X higher than at present, 101,000 Crypti  must be split by the 101 Delegates (who get $10 each) and the Foundation gets 11,211 Crypti worth $112.  

Initial forging fees are apparently going to be a tenth percent or 0.1%.   This means that for every 1000 Crypti processed as node traffic, the nodes pass 999 on to the recipient and keep 1 as a fee.  So for the 101 nodes to take in 112,211 Crypti as fees, they've got to process 112,211 / 0.001 = 112.2M as Crypti traffic.

So for a Delegate to make "just" $10 as 1000 Crypti in a month, the Crypti price has got to be 2.5X higher than it is now coupled with more than the entire total supply of Crypti changing hands every month.  

Note there are other combinations of these two value / traffic criteria that yield $10 per month per Delegate, but making one of them "somewhat more reasonable" makes the other one "even more unreasonable".   Thus another scenario is, if the monthly transaction traffic target is dropped to "only" 10M Crypti per month (a tenth of the total Crypti supply), then compensating a Delegate $10 per month requires a Crypti value of $0.112 each, or over X25 the current value.

These are kinda sobering numbers in my opinion.  A delegate had better be prepared to fund a node out of his own pocket for probably many months until either Crypti prices and/or transaction volumes ramp up VERY significantly.

XCR Frozen at Dev request.

Posted by GeezUp at 2015-04-09 17:17:27 in Polo notice box.

https://poloniex.com/exchange#btc_xcr

So what is the 0.2.0 fee to install a second payout passphrase?

Not that I intend to do so until a few days go by and the new blockchain is seen as stable...

465 accounts have 1 XCR or less out of a final 0.2.0 account total of 1160 or fewer.

From a detective standpoint, it would be interesting to monitor what new accounts are created in the future that receive funds from 983470101446368718C and 6746720336938643271C (Bter), 1064014217195323888C (Poloniex) and 17633453026976314980C (Cryptsy?).