Is there any particular reason why there is a phone that looks like it is a patented rectangle with rounded corners on https://www.dashpay.io/? To me Dash is about freedom (among other things) but when I see that rounded rectangle I think of restriction. you guys eh never happy right ! maybe you should try: "whow, look at the new Main Page, it looks so much better than the old one "  This is why democracy serves, once in a while, for the plebs to chose their dictators.  |
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I've stopped already bro, please...I really have learned my lesson.
apart from the lottery?  Lol, its a fair cop. Glad someone smarter than me told you what you needed / need / will have need for months to come / to hear. While this is not a gambling addiction support site like http://www.gamblersanonymous.org.uk/ I wish you to recover ASAP. That comes first. Otherwise what? YOur whining results in "some whale" giving you free Darkcoins, sorry Dashthingies, only for you to go for a "big score." Damn. I know the pain ... |
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I was one of the guys that were pro-name change, but i always thought that DASH sounded horrible. Again, developers are naming coins without taking in consideration the other parts of the world.
Also, how do you spell DASH when it comes to plural ? Dashes ? Dashcoins ? In my case i must put an "i" to make a plural. So i get DASHi (with an accent on A). It sounds horrendous, hillbilly like and it makes Dashi-coini the only solution available. That one sounds pretty bad too.
What is the plural of cash? Rich  |
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what the fuck is going on :O
i almost had a heart attack when i woked up
A minor run-up before the real fun starts |
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I never mining nor trade with the DRK so I was wondering why his price increased strongly. Thank you.
strong fundamentals, imminent re-brand, tireless iCEBREAKER promotional campaign |
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I thought that according to Duffenomics, the masternode count was supposed to decrease with increasing price as people checked out. (i.e. the price of the collateral increases to less collateral is needed). Then increase as price reduces as a stabilising action.
As far as I can see the masternode has increased over the last week by about 100.
March 12th Total Masternode #2309 March 19th Total Masternode #2359 March 24th Total Masternode #2383 |
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Starting to think 0.02 is just a when not if, could well be we dont settle down till 0.03 ...
Stop with 0.02 / 0.03 nonsense. Once the parity with bitcoin is achieved we'd have a serious talk in front of us. |
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"I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to fondle everybody." - Bill Cosby
That was my biggest concern regarding re-branding. Trying to please everyone in the phase during which "everyone" does not even exist, just a lunatic fringe with, I do hope so, a great vision and solutions for the fucked up society we live in. Since then I've been thinking, nibbling my way back into the crypto (only BTC & DASH investments; I do not really understand what would be the other players key advantages) and have found my own "justification" to turn around and slowly crawl back There may be an overlooked intrinsic value in DASH ("digital cash"), something that eluded bitcoin. Merchants that are using BTC as one of payment options (I know, I set up several website's accepting various payment options, bitcoin now included) mostly convert BTC to fiat as soon as they receive it. Coinbase in a perfect showcase of supporting and promoting such approach. Thusly, the value of BTC is kept in bay because the merchants are NOT keeping it in their digital vaults / wallets / accounts online. DASH, at the other hand, if it would manage to sell its "digital cash" proposition, and establish itself as e-Cash for real, maybe has that intrinsic value of a "hoard-able" cash and perhaps the future merchants accepting it would not rush to sell each DASH unit (will it be still called a "coin"?), rather keep it. While my heart is still bleeding for the best fucking brand ever - that of the Darkcoin (R.I.P. buddy, you have given me a new lease on life) - started to slowly get excited for the DASH and its future. If my hopes pan out as realities, $1,000.00 per DASH or $218,646.00 ++ per one DASH (this number is the price of one share of Berkshire Hathaway BRK-A at NYSE on March 24th, 2915) in decades to come might be a reality. Yes, I am coming around - but crazy projections aside, what do you guys think about that intrinsic value? Given DASH's scarcity, it could really end up being a platinum of crypto. |
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Site is not working at the moment, however the masternode network is functioning as normal, so please don't let the site worry you. You can check your masternodes by using this command in your command line: darkcoind masternode list | grep XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX:9999 where XXX etc.. is your ip address Also, from Tools ==> Debug Console a simple "masternode list" gives you the number of MNs |
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Liked the yawn, though |
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It's sad to see the coin being renamed to a brand that already has patents filed on it... moreover that is also an existing coin that's been here a while.
Those are some of the reasons why I decided to empty my DRK stash and move on. It's kind of a slap in the face for the early DRK people.
Anybody would happen to know the filing number of the challenge application? Would be interesting to see.
Not worrying about the legal stuff as Fernando and a couple others on the foundation board are lawyers. As for dashcoin, the slimball is their dev who sold the github to Evan. Evan did nothing wrong. If that community wants to fork the coin and still call it dashcoin or whatever that is fine. We are not rebranding to dashcoin anyway. As for the actual rebrand, DASH was originally suggested by the community and since the annoucement the vast majority have rallied around the name. Of course some people will be upset like you or Vertoe and decide to sell. Actually, I feel bad for the long time holders that are not showing enough foresight to keeping holding. After all the coin fundamentals have not changed and now we are much more marketable. There is a good chance that long time holders who are selling now just because of a name change will be very very upset with themselves in a year or two's time. I bought my first DASH back in February 2014 right after the name was changed from Xcoin to Darkcoin... I was very attached to the name. But after reading story after story after story from the hardworking people trying to increase adoption all saying that the name is holding us back I decided that my loyalty to the name was just a silly, emotional personal problem. In the end, as an investor I want to see my investment increase -- and if that means getting over my personal attachment to the name and suffering short term losses due to uncertainty in the market then so be it... Just keeep an eye on the number of active masternodes to know what long time holders think about the rebrand 2,291 from 2,328 on March 13, if the data on https://drk.mn/masternodes.html are accurate in real time. |
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It's sad to see the coin being renamed to a brand that already has patents filed on it... moreover that is also an existing coin that's been here a while.
Those are some of the reasons why I decided to empty my DRK stash and move on. It's kind of a slap in the face for the early DRK people.
Anybody would happen to know the filing number of the challenge application? Would be interesting to see.
Not worrying about the legal stuff as Fernando and a couple others on the foundation board are lawyers. As for dashcoin, the slimball is their dev who sold the github to Evan. Evan did nothing wrong. If that community wants to fork the coin and still call it dashcoin or whatever that is fine. We are not rebranding to dashcoin anyway. As for the actual rebrand, DASH was originally suggested by the community and since the annoucement the vast majority have rallied around the name. Of course some people will be upset like you or Vertoe and decide to sell. Actually, I feel bad for the long time holders that are not showing enough foresight to keeping holding. After all the coin fundamentals have not changed and now we are much more marketable. There is a good chance that long time holders who are selling now just because of a name change will be very very upset with themselves in a year or two's time. I bought my first DASH back in February 2014 right after the name was changed from Xcoin to Darkcoin... I was very attached to the name. But after reading story after story after story from the hardworking people trying to increase adoption all saying that the name is holding us back I decided that my loyalty to the name was just a silly, emotional personal problem. In the end, as an investor I want to see my investment increase -- and if that means getting over my personal attachment to the name and suffering short term losses due to uncertainty in the market then so be it... With a heavy heart I accepted Evan's decision to ditch the name Darkcoin (one of the best fucking growing brands I came across in my investment life) but have closed MN and sold all of my coins nevertheless. I did it at the recent price peak and used that calamity to get out of all crypto holdings I had (granted, only BTC and DRK) i order to re-evaluate my thinking and future approach. Any sort of mess is always a negative for the underlying investment. Frankly, I am surprised and relieved the price did not plummet which tells me there's enough support for the technology left... So, I nibbled a tiny little bit and bought back some Darkcoins, just to feel I am still a part of it, but herein comes my ongoing dilemma. A part of what? If you'd read Bitcoin: Technical Background and Data Analysis study done by the Anton Badev and Matthew Chen of the Finance and Economics Discussion Series Divisions of Research & Statistics and Monetary Affairs Federal Reserve Board, Washington, D.C. you'll see that even a stalwart that's bitcoin did not really penetrate and much less disturbed payment system. Most of the bitcoins are used for either investment i.e. stay in the wallets or are traded on exchanges. Let me quote parts of the study I find quite relevant for this discussion: "Our analysis suggests half of these transactions involve less than U.S.$100 equivalent, and for the period for which we have data for Satoshi Dice, most of these small-value transactions were related to the online gambling service. Relatively less frequent large value transactions drive the average transaction value to levels above U.S.$40,000.00 equivalent value, and are not likely to involve payments for goods and services. Comparing the number of transactions recorded on the blockchain and the total number of transactions reported by the exchanges, we see that the majority of transactions on the Bitcoin network occur through exchanges. Broadly speaking, our empirical exercise documents general patterns of Bitcoin usage, and examines the use of Bitcoin for investment and payment purposes. We found that the number of daily users may have doubled every eight months, the transaction volume is negligible compared to the domestic volume of U.S. payment systems. Our analysis of data from the Bitcoin system further suggests that Bitcoin is still barely used for payments for goods and services. The number of bitcoin unique users reached close to 100,000 by the beginning of 2014." Even the stalwart of crypto, bitcoin is still used on the lunatic fringes of society and Darkcoin was / is the lunatic fringe of the lunatic fringe. To dream and hope re-branded Darkcoin would suddenly awake an Average Joe as someone has said on this forum is a pure nonsense at worst and wishful thinking at best. This equally nonsensical "DASH," already mired in so many Trademark related issues, is so bland, so lukewarm, so devoid of wit, passion, message that it blows my mind away anyone could seriously consider it. And yes, I get it, it has been seriously considered by many serious people here, over on DRT, in Ambassador room etc., but what it shows me is: a) a lack of courage; b) willingness to appease while there's no one to really be appeased (some exchanges said they "might" accept Darkcoin if it changes its name, same with several merchants who also might adopt it but are "not guaranteeing" anything; c) a lack of vision. "DASH" wants to be everything for everyone while, again, no one fucking cares but us, on the lunatic fringes. I, for one, had managed to have several friends invest, into Darkcoin I brought in a Python programming genius to look at and promote Darkcoin and have been very active on developing several ideas based on Darkcoin's unique properties. Now everything is on hold for there is NO MESSAGE. Sure, some cute graphs / animations about Dash are really good, but who cares? You think the merchants, seeing 40,000 other merchants accepting Bitcoin will now suddenly flock to DASH because it is so fucking cool? No, they are not (see the study about bitcoin adoption). Darkcoin, as the fantastic brand, should have been left alone, to grow among the lunatic fringes of societies, it should have been offered to Occupy where anonymity is needed, it should have been a part of Wikileaks, it should have grown among the people that fight for privacy, for our right to property, to our right to be anonymous when we want to be, it should've been a part of Tor, and it should've been a tool to help us fight for our freedom. And all over the world the people live in a much more oppressive societies than ours (USA or any other Western country) where we still have some wealth and some illusion of freedom, and them, in communist, totalitarian, murderous countries would've benefited greatly form what Darkcoin offers. It would've been an instrument for the said freedom. It would have a fucking stance, it would've been a contender Now some "DASH" wants to be everything for everyone because "the technology is the same." And the very technology - its anonymous features - will be so viciously attacked when the time is right and the Overlords unleash their dogs, from the law enforcement, from the mass-media etc,. that would spook that non-existent user, "Average Joe" so much that he will never ever consider buying his six pack with Darkcoin again. At this moment I think Darkcoin / Dash is at 50% - 50% of surviving. One serious price dump, another developer or two exit, an exchange that said "maybe" to Dash now says no and the Dash and its community are a joke, because they have acted "preemptively" when no real need for preventing anything had existed and the Dash would dash away back to obscurity. Ditching Darkcoin name was akin to ditching Darkcoin's philosophy for the vain hope Dash would attract Average Joe. And to conclude: I would love nothing more than to be proven wrong and for Dash to become a brand associated with digital cash and a perfect payment system saving billions in remittance fees all over the world. But a stance-less product that wants to please everyone when it is clearly impossible does not excite me anymore. |
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I think the D with the dash '-' in the middle is genius. +1. Really like it. Dash in the middle is indeed a touch of genius. While I still dislike the word, I fell in love with this graph |
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P.S. I will miss Vertoe very much, there is more to this than appears at first sight.
I struggle to even agree with you, in order not to pour gasoline on the fire. But, the sudden funds injection in the promotional video production (now apparently in a confused state; how to promote a product whose very name and message could be changed) coincides with the unusually strong troll attack on this board and coincides with this unexpected bombshell about name / brand change. Also this small provocation at https://github.com/dashcoin-dsh. Vertoe's exit - for such a fragile, fledgling community - is a bad sign. No one but the inner circle knows how the others are feeling. Tao's behavior on Twitter created fractions among him and PR people, the Darkcoin Ambassadors are having heavy discussions among themselves <== ALL of which was absolutely not needed and ill timed. I am very, very curious what's going to happen next. "Groups of creative people in situations like this often blow up." |
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Give me a break. It eludes me how such an intelligent man as yourself could have made such ridiculous arguments:
"TOXIC NAME"
If it was a "totally toxic name" for the last 12 months why you're in it?
Tell me, please, how this totally toxic name has stopped Darkcoin's growth?
Darkcoin hasn't grown much in adoption. It's grown in valuation and development. The only significant exchange it's on right now is Bitfinex. Although the name may not be "toxic" amongst early adopters (thats ourselves) it's a different story amongst the broader market. BTCe, Chinese exchanges, US exchanges - none of them show the remotest hint of taking it. Of course that might be for reasons other than the name, but according to the accounts of 'coin staff' who've been 'out there' trying to get it promoted and adopted, the name categorically is a barrier to adoption. If you think otherwise you need to come up with a better justification than simply "it's worked up till now". The only growth that occured was a) price, b) development which are largely under the control of the developer community and early adopters. As I say - I'm not unhappy with the Darkcoin name but I'm not overly attached to it either. All I'm saying is: there's a problem with the next phase of growth because it has to come from sources that are different from those of the last year. The name is a documented issue. So do something about it. Wrong again. Merchant Directory is growing, slowly like any other matrics I shared, but https://darkcointalk.org/threads/merchant-directory-listing-updated-8th-march-2015.3445/ Exchanges, 27 of them include Darkcoin: https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/darkcoin/#marketsAnd at the end, how many do you think will stay? How many will pop up, and be happy to include the 5th biggest alt-coin on the market? If BTC-E is ignoring Darkcoin, well, they might change their minds. Why does that matter at this phase? On how many exchanges you have accounts? On 2, 4, 10 or 40? I have no clue who approached whom ("documented issue") and who replied what to whom regarding Darkcoin inclusion. But if the future Saint Coin approaches the same people and they would laugh into the Saint Coin's face, how that would reflect for the new brand, being a laughing stock? Once should ASSESS the value of say BTC-E inclusion (24.80% of the BTC trading volume on Bitfinex) and have an agreement that the Saint Coin would be included once it drops its Darkcoin name. Same with merchants, providing these are not my friend's dive in Mexico but something of assessable value. Otherwise, yes, "doing nothing" and let the technology grow might be the best solution. |
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I propose to follow the advice Andreas Antonopoulos gave to the Canada's Senate Committee regarding the lawmakers' approach to bitcoin: "Do nothing! And let the technology grow."
Giving something a totally toxic name that stops it from growing isn't "doing nothing". Give me a break. It eludes me how such an intelligent man as yourself could have made such ridiculous arguments: "TOXIC NAME" If it was a " totally toxic name" for the last 12 months why you're in it? "STOPPED GROWTH" November 6th 2014
Darkcoin Marketcap $9,629,205 Total Masternode # 1147 Darkcoin Talk Members 1,853 Price in BTC 0.00521446 Price in USD $1.82 March 4th, 2015Darkcoin Marketcap $19,097,420 ( 98.33% growth) Total Masternode # 2261 ( 22.01% growth) Darkcoin Talk Members 2,434 ( 114.56% growth) Price in BTC 0.01330801 ( 155.21% growth) Price in USD $3.60 ( 97.80% growth) Tell me, please, how this totally toxic name has stopped Darkcoin's growth? |
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I repeat this from Darkcointalk:
"A welcome polyphony of opinions & emotions.
The very core of Darkcoin properties is, by itself, a bundle of features that go straight in your face! The face being that of the system and the Overlords. This is the underlying issue no one is really addressing when discussing "re-branding" and the name change. What eduffield has created is indeed a revolutionary tool, thusly the one that is not easily dealt with.
This is not the Occupy movement "they" could break by spraying people like they are cockroaches and beating them on the streets. This is an elegant, math based property (Darkcoin, that is) and we should decide once for all, is Darkcoin one of the tools "we the people" could use to further our rights and our freedoms or not. Than, and only than we should worry about some merchants (let these that agree with the message come in), some exchanges (let other flourish) and the name.
If Darkcoin is not a tool for freedom at most or a private digital cash at least, what is it than? A better bitcoin that would be, rest assured, attacked by the system no matter the name, precisely because of its properties. There's another possibility, of co-existing in peace. We build our better world, based on digital economy, digital freedoms and "they" calm down with their insane NSA spying, endless wars and treating us all as either their slaves or their cannon fodder and let us live in an entrepreneurial society. (versus this amalgam of politics, fiat money and corporations that create thinly veiled tyranny)
This is the very fundamental issue that popped up as a result of overly-lawyerly preemptive thinking that would not preempt anything. I propose to follow the advice Andreas Antonopoulos gave to the Canada's Senate Committee regarding the lawmakers' approach to bitcoin: "Do nothing! And let the technology grow."
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wozzek have you gone to any businesses that aren't online casinos or porn sites (or some other purely 'online' realm where you'd be hard pressed to find a real-world person) and talked to them about "Darkcoin"?
I have. It is disastrous. There is just no way we will get anywhere even close to adoption by mainstream businesses with this name (and I'm not talking about supermarkets and other regular retail situations....even Richard in Canada with his winery is finding it difficult to explain to people about Darkcoin). It's impossible....period. The name is associated purely with nefarious online activities. And you're expecting Evan, who has never hidden his identity (unlike most on here and dozens of other altcoin devs) to go forward and withstand the alarm, censure, judgement and default criminal association suggestions that are virtually guaranteed by him being the lead developer of, what you might as well call, IllegalDrugSupplyChainCoin because that's what society in general sees "Darkcoin" as.
I have. Several reputable therapists, addiction counselors and psychiatrists were ready to enable secure chat and Darkcoin transactions on their websites, in order to protect their clients' privacy. I am aware about the pressure Evan might expect in the future. I suspect he does not like too much noise and ( wrongful) association with nefarious activities today, but google for "bitcoin enables criminal activity" and you will see that even the saintly name of a non-anonymous cash-like invention does not bode well with the overlords and their sycophant serfs. Future SAINT coin will always have the same features as the current Darkcoin has and as such, it would be attacked. And Evan would be attacked if the Darkcoin grows. And they will call the Saint Coin a fraud that is being used for illegal drug supply chain crimes and will attack it anyway. So the name "Darkcoin" is an excuse for someone to pretend to be helping Even avoid the stigma. As far as the "society in general," please, do not let your beliefs blind you - the "society in general" has absolutely no clue what Bitcoin is and could not care less about some obscure "coin," be it Saintcoin, Darkcoin or Dash, a project whose market cap is akin to that of a several new Apple watches price. Do not get me wrong - Evan seems to be the nicest person ever, for sure the nicest genius ever, and I do not want him to put his life in any sort of danger or nuisance coming from all sort of "associations." He might be a tech revolutionary and for sure does not have to be a real world revolutionary. In my case, and I speak only for myself, what I've experienced with this "caving in compromise" is a betrayal of my own expectations, my own illusions and my own outlook. No one has forced me to have them (expectations) or to invest or to sold my coins, no one asked me to work on it, to recruit "my own genius" to (thinks slack and first real DRK presentation in the real world) work on it, to promote it, to work with me on a Darkcoin based project(s). If this is going to be "just" an investment, this compromise has shown a real intrinsic weakness that now I have to evaluate, re-evaluate and decide do I want to be invested in something that does not want to change the world but wants to be "accepted" before it is crushed by the same enemy this compromise tries to appease. Without an emotional investment in the message I hoped to help create, I see no purpose of working with it, I have no clue. I sold all my crypto and while the fiat money is endlessly traveling toward my bank account, I will take the time to evaluate. The tech behind Darkcoin is great and it will stay great or even better. Now I see the weaknesses in and out and will re-assess my outlook on it as an investment, but am not sure I would be involved in a "message" that is lukewarm. The time will tell. |
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I feel sick
I closed my Masternode and sold / am selling all of my coins. I spread this sale over several exchanges not to influence the price drop / change. Now I will step back and see how this would develop. IMHO - Evan has caved to the political pressure coming from a more conservative members of the Foundation. Compromises never excite me, for the key point of attack to Darkcoin would always be its main feature - almost perfect anonymity. As such Darkcoin is on a forefront of fight for our freedom and our right to privacy in this surveillance culture we have to endure. Compromising a well established brand that could've been a real instrument of change with several merchants that "might" with "no guarantees" adopt Dashcoin or whatever the "brand" will be is a sign of intrinsic weakness I dislike. Wozzek23 you're constantly posting comments as if Evan's announced that Darksend has been discontinued and is no longer supported! It's only the name that's changed, everything else remains the same. AND.....Evan's made this extraordinary announcement that's been all but lost in all the negativity and extreme over reaction; After giving it some thought, I came up with a scalable architecture that supports billions of transactions per day.
Specifications of this strategy:
The blockchain will automatically become much more anonymous than Bitcoin is.
Fees per transaction will be very, very low. Let the micro-payment revolution begin.
Zero-centralization
Scalable to billions of transactions per day
Requires a 2-tier network
Very low blockchain bloat
I read his extraordinary statement. And I wondered, if "MUCH MORE ANONYMOUS" does not represent what ELM4ever said on darkcointalk: "It's about enabling your Civil Liberties" why to squeeze / put "re-branding" AND all of this new strategy toghether? Evan, in his original paper, Darkcoin: Peer to Peer CryptoCurrency with Anonymous Blockchain Transactions and an Improved Proof of Work System, wrote: "Darkcoin is the first privacy centric cryptographic currency based on Satoshi Nakamoto’s Bitcoin." That was the "true essence of the project." What is the true essence now if NOTHING changed? Just you guys believed some merchants "might" but are "not guaranteeing" adopt the coin but would not because of its name? Groups of creative people in situations like this often blow up. We've seen this with vertoe. I closed my positions and will wait and see. And trust me, I am a Foundation Member (no one asked us anything), I used to own a MN, I am one of the Darkcoin Ambassadors (no one asked us anything) I have lost the money, donated the money etc., so I am also emotinaly invested into Darkcoin. BUT - if Darkcoin is NOT going to be on a forefront of defending our Civil Liberties, but just an investment, fuck it. I make, in one day on FOREX much more than I have lost on Darkcoin. But FOREX is a money-grubbing scheme I despise, but I am ready to compromise there. I am not ready to compromise with Darkcoin. Not in this phase for sure. |
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