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13761  Other / Off-topic / Re: [ANN] Abstract Coin 0.2.0 on: May 30, 2013, 01:12:45 AM
@CoinHoarder

I sent you a coin
but the block is yet to be confirmed
i can't do the confirmation because i'm the one sending, and you can't do the confirmation because your the one receiving

someone confirm this block  
13762  Other / Off-topic / Re: [ANN] Abstract Coin 0.2.0 on: May 30, 2013, 01:06:43 AM
the genesis entry for Abstract Coin

Quote
|AC63n78dn| (1AC)Genesis(0AC) -> AdamStgBit

confirmed  Smiley

here we go! first free batch

|AC8DG84KD| (0.999AC)AdamStgBit(0.899AC) -> Hazard
|AC8DG84KD| (0.899AC)AdamStgBit(0.889AC) -> ohhaithere
|AC8DG84KD| (0.889AC)AdamStgBit(0.869AC) -> fredtrader
|AC8DG84KD| (0.869AC)AdamStgBit(0.838AC) -> nimda
|AC8DG84KD| (0.838AC)AdamStgBit(0.828AC) -> BitcoinAshley      
|AC8DG84KD| (0.828AC)AdamStgBit(0.808AC) -> TsuyokuNaritai
|AC8DG84KD| (0.808AC)AdamStgBit(0.798AC) -> True___Blue
|AC8DG84KD| (0.798AC)AdamStgBit(0.788AC) -> Phinnaeus Gage  
|AC8DG84KD| (0.788AC)AdamStgBit(0.778AC) -> calian  
|AC8DG84KD| (0.778AC)AdamStgBit(0.768AC) -> batcoin
|AC8DG84KD| (0.768AC)AdamStgBit(0.758AC) -> Boi qaaf
|AC8DG84KD| (0.758AC)AdamStgBit(0.658AC) -> NamLaLai

Confirmed

(Phinnaeus Gage)

Is this the correct way to do it, Adam? If not, please show by example.


this fine


but i would do it like this:



here we go! first free batch

|AC8DG84KD| (0.999AC)AdamStgBit(0.899AC) -> Hazard
|AC8DG84KD| (0.899AC)AdamStgBit(0.889AC) -> ohhaithere
|AC8DG84KD| (0.889AC)AdamStgBit(0.869AC) -> fredtrader
|AC8DG84KD| (0.869AC)AdamStgBit(0.838AC) -> nimda
|AC8DG84KD| (0.838AC)AdamStgBit(0.828AC) -> BitcoinAshley      
|AC8DG84KD| (0.828AC)AdamStgBit(0.808AC) -> TsuyokuNaritai
|AC8DG84KD| (0.808AC)AdamStgBit(0.798AC) -> True___Blue
|AC8DG84KD| (0.798AC)AdamStgBit(0.788AC) -> Phinnaeus Gage  
|AC8DG84KD| (0.788AC)AdamStgBit(0.778AC) -> calian  
|AC8DG84KD| (0.778AC)AdamStgBit(0.768AC) -> batcoin
|AC8DG84KD| (0.768AC)AdamStgBit(0.758AC) -> Boi qaaf
|AC8DG84KD| (0.758AC)AdamStgBit(0.658AC) -> NamLaLai
confirmed!



click on the quote and you see it contains the previous confirmed block
so there's no need to include it

but, since i am mentioned in the unconfirmed TX i cannot be the accountant  
13763  Other / Off-topic / Re: [ANN] Abstract Coin 0.2.0 on: May 30, 2013, 01:02:41 AM
I'm going to treat this thread seriously!

Is it safe to assume that you'll be giving away the entire 1AC, keeping done for yourself? I believe that this is an important aspect in seeing this experiment blossom. Once they're all given away, then you can purchase some for your own coffer.

yes i will give it all away, and then buy back some as a proof of concept (provided i feel comfortable with he quote chain proving your claim on these coins)
13764  Other / Off-topic / Re: [ANN] Abstract Coin 0.2.0 on: May 30, 2013, 12:55:57 AM
spamming this thread with invalid TX will not be effective
if you follow the quote chine it should always lead back to the genesis block


the genesis entry for Abstract Coin

Quote
|AC63n78dn| (1AC)Genesis(0AC) -> AdamStgBit

confirmed  Smiley

here we go! first free batch

|AC8DG84KD| (0.999AC)AdamStgBit(0.899AC) -> Hazard
|AC8DG84KD| (0.899AC)AdamStgBit(0.889AC) -> ohhaithere
|AC8DG84KD| (0.889AC)AdamStgBit(0.869AC) -> fredtrader
|AC8DG84KD| (0.869AC)AdamStgBit(0.838AC) -> nimda
|AC8DG84KD| (0.838AC)AdamStgBit(0.828AC) -> BitcoinAshley      
|AC8DG84KD| (0.828AC)AdamStgBit(0.808AC) -> TsuyokuNaritai
|AC8DG84KD| (0.808AC)AdamStgBit(0.798AC) -> True___Blue
|AC8DG84KD| (0.798AC)AdamStgBit(0.788AC) -> Phinnaeus Gage  
|AC8DG84KD| (0.788AC)AdamStgBit(0.778AC) -> calian  
|AC8DG84KD| (0.778AC)AdamStgBit(0.768AC) -> batcoin
|AC8DG84KD| (0.768AC)AdamStgBit(0.758AC) -> Boi qaaf
|AC8DG84KD| (0.758AC)AdamStgBit(0.658AC) -> NamLaLai

confirmed!

(amidoingthisright?)

anyone of these recipients can quote this confirmation ( must quote the original post... ) as proof they own these coins
and post a new unconfirmed TX below said quote.
13765  Other / Off-topic / Re: [ANN] Abstract Coin 0.2.0 on: May 30, 2013, 12:45:33 AM
|AC8DG84KD| (0.999AC)AdamStgBit(0.000AC) -> 01BTC10

totally invalid, will never be part of the quote chain  Cheesy
13766  Other / Off-topic / Re: [ANN] Abstract Coin 0.2.0 on: May 30, 2013, 12:44:08 AM
the genesis entry for Abstract Coin

Quote
|AC63n78dn| (1AC)Genesis(0AC) -> AdamStgBit

confirmed  Smiley

|AC8DG84KD| (0.658AC)AdamStgBit(0.657AC) -> CoinHoarder
|AC8DG84KD| (0.657AC)AdamStgBit(0.656AC) -> RyNinDaCleM
|AC8DG84KD| (0.656AC)AdamStgBit(0.655AC) -> HeRetiK
|AC8DG84KD| (0.655AC)AdamStgBit(0.654AC) -> com911
13767  Other / Off-topic / Re: [ANN] Abstract Coin 0.2.0 on: May 30, 2013, 12:38:06 AM
 Roll Eyes  Cool

you can quote the whole thing, but all you really need to make a valid confirmation is a quote that points back to my post above with only the unconfirmed TXs

now the recipients listed above can send these coins by quoting the confirmed block and adding their unconfirmed TX below
13768  Other / Off-topic / Re: [ANN] Abstract Coin 0.2.0 on: May 30, 2013, 12:34:58 AM
the genesis entry for Abstract Coin

Quote
|AC63n78dn| (1AC)Genesis(0AC) -> AdamStgBit

confirmed  Smiley

here we go! first free batch

|AC8DG84KD| (0.999AC)AdamStgBit(0.899AC) -> Hazard
|AC8DG84KD| (0.899AC)AdamStgBit(0.889AC) -> ohhaithere
|AC8DG84KD| (0.889AC)AdamStgBit(0.869AC) -> fredtrader
|AC8DG84KD| (0.869AC)AdamStgBit(0.838AC) -> nimda
|AC8DG84KD| (0.838AC)AdamStgBit(0.828AC) -> BitcoinAshley      
|AC8DG84KD| (0.828AC)AdamStgBit(0.808AC) -> TsuyokuNaritai
|AC8DG84KD| (0.808AC)AdamStgBit(0.798AC) -> True___Blue
|AC8DG84KD| (0.798AC)AdamStgBit(0.788AC) -> Phinnaeus Gage  
|AC8DG84KD| (0.788AC)AdamStgBit(0.778AC) -> calian  
|AC8DG84KD| (0.778AC)AdamStgBit(0.768AC) -> batcoin
|AC8DG84KD| (0.768AC)AdamStgBit(0.758AC) -> Boi qaaf
|AC8DG84KD| (0.758AC)AdamStgBit(0.658AC) -> NamLaLai
13769  Other / Off-topic / Re: [ANN] Abstract Coin 0.2.0 on: May 30, 2013, 12:21:27 AM
HELP!

In order for me to start handing out free Abstract Coin  someone will need to quote the unconfirmed Genesis entry and say "confirmed!" this will kick off the quote chain and allow me to start sending freebies to all who want some
13770  Other / Off-topic / Re: [ANN] Abstract Coin 0.2.0 on: May 30, 2013, 12:10:09 AM
the genesis entry for Abstract Coin

Quote
|AC63n78dn| (1AC)Genesis(0AC) -> AdamStgBit
13771  Other / Off-topic / [Experiment] Abstract Coin 0.2.1 on: May 30, 2013, 12:09:26 AM


What is Abstract Coin?

Abstract Coin is a new type of object! It is an imaginary object. it exist because i says it does! Abstract Coin transactions can appear anywhere on this forum, simply by making a post with the right protocol. I can send you Abstract Coins by making a post anywhere on the forum, and you can then assign all or part of these coins to anyone else on this forum. Its supply is strictly limited to 1 coin. Abstract Coins are infinitely divisible and impossible to counterfeit! They can be transfer between bitcointalk.org forum members.


How does Abstract Coin work?

transaction must be confirmed before recipients can send the coins to someone else. A transaction can be confirmed by anyone as long as they are not mentioned in the transaction, the person confirming the transaction is called the accountant. The accountant quotes the unconfirmed transaction and says "confirmed!". Only by quoting the confirmed transaction, can the recipient create an unconfirmed transaction. Each new unconfirmed transaction will contain the previous confirmed transaction, this will create a quote chain of confirmed transactions. The accountant can compromise the system  by editing his posts. But! If an accountant is dishonest we can fork the chain! simply by having someone else confirm the original TX and using that new confirmation in the chain.
Its as simple as that!

What about double spends?

If someone sends you 0.001AC what's stopping you from quoting that post over and over sending Abstract Coins all over the forum to everyone!? thats what the transaction code is there for, when you send someone some Abstract Coins you attach with it your personal random code that looks like this "|AC63n78dn|" you the sender makes up this random code, and you use the same code every time you send some Abstract Coins. that way we can verify if a user has created a dishonest Tx or a double spend with some simple searching. See all the transaction i have ever made by searching for  "|AC8DN93M|"

Beta Testing!

This is an experiment, for fun, lets see what happens  Cheesy  In theory these coins can be moved anywhere on the forum, but i would ask we keep the transactions on this thread, during beta testing.  the hope is that in the end with some tweaking to the protocol, people could place some value on these imaginary coins.  I am giving away random amounts to anyone who wants some.
post your interest below.

AbstractCoin++ , the programing language AbstractCoin runs on


/*===========================================================================
| (AbstractWallet ::sendTx)
|
|  PURPOSE: to allow an AbstractWallet to send an amount of AC to another AbstractWallet.
|
|  RETURN: int value, the Amount of uAC left in the sender wallet.
|    
\===========================================================================*/

class AbstractWallet {
virtual int sendTx( int SendTo_Id, int Send_Amount)=0;
};
typedef std::vector<AbstractWallet> AbstractWalletList;


/*===========================================================================
| (CreateAbstractWallet)
|
|  PURPOSE: to allow an users to Create a new Abstract Wallet
|
|  RETURN: void
|    
\===========================================================================*/

void CreateAbstractWallet(int User_Id);




now we can push a tx like this

tadakaluri(1493uAC) = AbstractWalletList[AC0M98S1|tadakaluri]->sendTx( AC0m97S1|adamstgBit , 100 );

in this example, wallet "AC0M98S1|tadakaluri" sends wallet "AC0M98S1|adamstgBit" 100 uAC, and so,wallet "AC0M98S1|tadakaluri" has 1493uAC left



to declare their wallet, anyone can say:

CreateAbstractWallet(AC0M98S1|tadakaluri);


in essence this is like a new programing language  "AbstractCoin++"  
This forum is the RUNTIME! and we interact with the runtime directly





Dev Notes**

The quote chaine is concrete proof for abstract coins



Abstract Coin doesn't have any particular software associated with it
Abstract Coin is nothing more then an imaginary object.
Abstract Coin operates with a protocol which allow users to transmit pieces of this imaginary object back and forth between any of the users imaginations
Abstract Coin first came into being yesterday night, the imaginary object appear in my mind, and i began to break it up and give it away to people. today i only have a small piece of this object left in my mind, what will happen tomorrow is anyones guess.

Abstract Coin is abstract, deal with it!  Cool

The basic idea is that I can invent this imaginary coin, and simply saying i give you 0.1 of it makes it so, since we can all see the history of what's been said then we can figure what's what.On day 1, somone edited their post and claimed that they only sent me 0.001 not 0.05 .... this act killed Abstract Coin 0.1.0; thats when i thought of using a "quote chain" now transactions are independently confirmed by other people so no one can edit their transactions. I think it would be alright to say, all you have to do to send Abstract Coin is first prove you own some ( by quoting the confirmed block thats shows you received coins ), then say wtv amount you want to send and to whom. Abstract Coin is profoundly CraZy, but i think the basic idea has merit, I'm having fun exploring it, seeing how far i can go with it.

Abstract Coin - an idea worth thinking about.







Abstract Coin Leaderboard
AdamStgBit...............  0.19990
jubalix......................  0.14990
RichG......................   0.10000
Hazard.....................  0.10000
Phinnaeus Gage.......... 0.05000
ohhaithere................  0.02000
fredtrader................   0.03100
nimda......................   0.03100
BitcoinAshley............   0.01000
TsuyokuNaritai..........   0.02000
True___Blue..............  0.01000
calian.......................  0.01000
batcoin....................   0.01000
Boi qaaf....................  0.01000
NamLaLai................... 0.10000
CoinHoarder............... 0.00010
RyNinDaCleM.............. 0.00100
HeRetiK.................... 0.00100
com911.................... 0.00100
Anon136..................  0.00010
13772  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [Experiment] Abstract Coin! on: May 29, 2013, 11:58:32 PM
 Roll Eyes

not at all crazy

 Grin
13773  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [Experiment] Abstract Coin! on: May 29, 2013, 11:58:08 PM
the first transaction on the Abstract Coin Block chain appears like this:

Quote
|AC63n78dn| (1AC)Genesis(0AC) -> AdamStgBit

This unconfirmed transaction must be confirmed before AdamStgBit can send the coins to someone else. A transaction can be confirmed by anyone as long as they are not mentioned in the transaction, the person confirming the transaction is called the accountant. The accountant quotes the unconfirmed transaction and says "confirmed!". Only by quoting the confirmed transaction, can the recipient create an unconfirmed transaction. Each new unconfirmed transaction will contain the previous confirmed transaction, this will create a "quote chain" of confirmed transactions. The accountant can compromise the system  by editing his posts. But! If an accountant is dishonest we can fork the chain! simply by having someone else confirm the original TX and using that new confirmation in the chain.



examples:


The first confirmed transaction will look like this



Quote
|AC63n78dn| (1AC)Genesis(0AC) -> AdamStgBit
confirmed!




now AdamStgBit  can quote this confirmed transaction and create a new unconfirmed, like this:


Quote
|AC63n78dn| (1AC)Genesis(0AC) -> AdamStgBit
confirmed!
|AC8DN93M| (1AC)AdamStgBit(0.999AC) -> Hazard



now an accountant must confirm this TX in order for Hazard to create a new unconfirmed transaction

the unconfirmed TX above can be confirmed like so



|AC8DN93M| (1AC)AdamStgBit(0.999AC) -> Hazard
confirmed!



the accountant only needs to include the unconfirmed TX.
the sender must include the previously confirmed TX
and so Abstract Coin's quote chain is born.


This new protocol rule has effectively made all previous TX INVALID! So I will create a new thread outlining the new protocol and then we will reprocess the transactions one at a time starting with the genius block.
13774  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [Experiment] Abstract Coin! on: May 29, 2013, 10:29:44 PM
Scandal!
Abstract Coin's protocol has been compromised by user  "nimda"
he pushed a transaction sending me half the coins i sent him, back to me
then later he edited his post and is now claiming to have only sent 0.01AC back to me

can Abstract Coin overcome this exploit?

who knows!





A solution has been found!
A new protocol involving super low tech accounting rules is being developed and implement as i type this.

Abstract Coin will live!

stay tune for the protocol update that will solve this issue once and for all!

Abstract Coin - an idea worth thinking about!
13775  Other / Archival / Re: Abstract Coin Blockchain on: May 29, 2013, 09:38:06 PM
testing...
13776  Other / Archival / Abstract Coin Blockchain on: May 29, 2013, 09:37:57 PM
13777  Other / Off-topic / Re: Abstract Coin BlockChain on: May 29, 2013, 09:34:22 PM
shit i can't move this to the archive section so no one can edit posts....

its not looking too good for Abstract Coin
13778  Other / Off-topic / Abstract Coin BlockChain on: May 29, 2013, 09:31:42 PM
13779  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [Experiment] Abstract Coin! on: May 29, 2013, 08:19:20 PM
I'd like 5,000,000 Abstract coin please.

the supply is limited to 1 coin.


and i will not be sending any coins to anyone until the scandal can be resolved in some way...

if the situation is not resolved Abstract coin will die!  Shocked
13780  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [Experiment] Abstract Coin! on: May 29, 2013, 08:11:30 PM
Scandal!
Abstract Coin's protocol has been compromised by user  "nimda"
he pushed a transaction sending me half the coins i sent him, back to me
then later he edited his post and is now claiming to have only sent 0.01AC back to me

can Abstract Coin overcome this exploit?

who knows!


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