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13781  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [Experiment] Abstract Coin! on: May 29, 2013, 07:22:30 PM
when mining is introduced in the new patch, everything will be ok
13782  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [Experiment] Abstract Coin! on: May 29, 2013, 07:19:13 PM
...
here 0.1AC to play with.

|AC8DG84KD| (0.888AC)AdamStgBit(0.788AC) -> nimda
I'll send 0.05 back to you
|738551740| (0.1AC)nimda(0.05AC) -> AdamStgBit
...
Hey, FRAUD!!
You edited my quote!

I only send 0.01 back to you Angry

you edited your post

oh oh its about to fall apart

ahhh sell everything!!!
13783  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [Experiment] Abstract Coin! on: May 29, 2013, 05:59:47 PM
But what if forum moderation policies change and those coins get banned?  Huh
Wouldn't it be safer to have copies of these coins in other forums?  Grin

I know a guy in Utah!

Seriously, I love this thread. Albeit, created tongue-in-cheek, I think, therefore I am penning this, that this Abstract Coin thingy has the potential of sproutin' legs. Maybe not in its current iteration, but tweaked and relaunched, it could do better.

That said, <not-so-serious-mode-on> we need a foundation. I suggest that the founding members be pillars of the Abstract Coin community, with Adam as the chief scientist. And yes, it's a paying position, as has already been demonstrated--Adam pays himself.

The Abstract Coin genesis block should include the following news headline: US Government Seizes LibertyReserve.com

<serious mode> People are weird! They're probably more apt to get their head wrapped around Abstract Coin then Bitcoin.

Abstract Coin should be designed so that it's never capable of laundering money. Although laundering crypto-currency may be one of its uses.

Adam, what's the current market cap of Abstract Coin?

Benefits of Abstract Coin:

  • No electricity cost associated with it since no mining rigs are use.
  • One only has, and will be ever created, albeit divisible by X.

Feel free to add to the above.

LMAO,

i think Abstract Coin has some potential, but in it current form it is hard to verify claims to Abstract Coins, hopefully i can come up with a way to overcome this difficulty.

in the meantime, I have code to write as i am a depth slave   Lips sealed
13784  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [Experiment] Abstract Coin! on: May 29, 2013, 05:44:12 PM

lol'd hard when reading these comments

sending out freebies

here 0.1AC to play with.

|AC8DG84KD| (0.888AC)AdamStgBit(0.788AC) -> nimda
I'll send 0.05 back to you
|738551740| (0.1AC)nimda(0.05AC) -> AdamStgBit



|AC8DG84KD| (0.838AC)AdamStgBit(0.828AC) -> BitcoinAshley      ( thats 0.01AC )
|AC8DG84KD| (0.828AC)AdamStgBit(0.808AC) -> TsuyokuNaritai    ( thats 0.02AC )
|AC8DG84KD| (0.808AC)AdamStgBit(0.798AC) -> True___Blue       ( thats 0.01AC )
|AC8DG84KD| (0.798AC)AdamStgBit(0.788AC) -> Phinnaeus Gage  ( thats 0.01AC )
|AC8DG84KD| (0.788AC)AdamStgBit(0.778AC) -> calian               ( thats 0.01AC )
|AC8DG84KD| (0.778AC)AdamStgBit(0.768AC) -> batcoin             ( thats 0.01AC )
|AC8DG84KD| (0.768AC)AdamStgBit(0.758AC) -> Boi qaaf            ( thats 0.01AC )
|AC8DG84KD| (0.758AC)AdamStgBit(0.658AC) -> NamLaLai          ( thats 0.10AC  i like the logo!)


simply by saying i send you x amount of  Abstract Coin makes it so.
proving ownership is a simple matter of looking at the history.
there are some obvious issues with Abstract Coin, that will need to be addressed



to name a few:
what if i edit or delete my post, what happens then!?
what if i make a mistake on the TX?


I think we can find clever solutions to these problems.

when i have time i will dream up wacky solutions.


fun thought experiment is fun!  Cheesy

Why ain't I on the list. You gave that cocksucker Phinn one and that fuck face (pun intended) Boi qaaf one, yet I get shit. How do we really know that all those who posted on this thread are not all your sock puppets, with me being the only person not affiliated with you.

I ain't no lawyer, but I'm pretty sure that there's some law broken, for there's no way that one can create a money system outta thin air, let alone from one's mind.

So here's the deal: Either pay me my well-deserved Abstract Coin and I support you or suffer the consequences.

This threat brought to you by Al the Alpaca:

Signed:

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The worlds first Abstract Coin blackmail!

woot woot! its working!  Cheesy

...
|AC8DG84KD| (0.758AC)AdamStgBit(0.658AC) -> NamLaLai          ( thats 0.10AC  i like the logo!)
...

|AC8DG84KD| (0.658AC)AdamStgBit(0.608AC) -> Al the Alpaca  
13785  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [Experiment] Abstract Coin! on: May 29, 2013, 05:38:29 PM

lol'd hard when reading these comments

sending out freebies

here 0.1AC to play with.

|AC8DG84KD| (0.888AC)AdamStgBit(0.788AC) -> nimda
I'll send 0.05 back to you
|738551740| (0.1AC)nimda(0.05AC) -> AdamStgBit



|AC8DG84KD| (0.838AC)AdamStgBit(0.828AC) -> BitcoinAshley      ( thats 0.01AC )
|AC8DG84KD| (0.828AC)AdamStgBit(0.808AC) -> TsuyokuNaritai    ( thats 0.02AC )
|AC8DG84KD| (0.808AC)AdamStgBit(0.798AC) -> True___Blue       ( thats 0.01AC )
|AC8DG84KD| (0.798AC)AdamStgBit(0.788AC) -> Phinnaeus Gage  ( thats 0.01AC )
|AC8DG84KD| (0.788AC)AdamStgBit(0.778AC) -> calian               ( thats 0.01AC )
|AC8DG84KD| (0.778AC)AdamStgBit(0.768AC) -> batcoin             ( thats 0.01AC )
|AC8DG84KD| (0.768AC)AdamStgBit(0.758AC) -> Boi qaaf            ( thats 0.01AC )
|AC8DG84KD| (0.758AC)AdamStgBit(0.658AC) -> NamLaLai          ( thats 0.10AC  i like the logo!)


simply by saying i send you x amount of  Abstract Coin makes it so.
proving ownership is a simple matter of looking at the history.
there are some obvious issues with Abstract Coin, that will need to be addressed



to name a few:
what if i edit or delete my post, what happens then!?
what if i make a mistake on the TX?


I think we can find clever solutions to these problems.

when i have time i will dream up wacky solutions.


fun thought experiment is fun!  Cheesy

dildo!me to quoting post to lock in me coin.me soooo happy.

quoting post to lock in me coin

will become part of the protocol shortly.
13786  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [Experiment] Abstract Coin! on: May 29, 2013, 03:10:23 PM

lol'd hard when reading these comments

sending out freebies

here 0.1AC to play with.

|AC8DG84KD| (0.888AC)AdamStgBit(0.788AC) -> nimda
I'll send 0.05 back to you
|738551740| (0.1AC)nimda(0.05AC) -> AdamStgBit



|AC8DG84KD| (0.838AC)AdamStgBit(0.828AC) -> BitcoinAshley      ( thats 0.01AC )
|AC8DG84KD| (0.828AC)AdamStgBit(0.808AC) -> TsuyokuNaritai    ( thats 0.02AC )
|AC8DG84KD| (0.808AC)AdamStgBit(0.798AC) -> True___Blue       ( thats 0.01AC )
|AC8DG84KD| (0.798AC)AdamStgBit(0.788AC) -> Phinnaeus Gage  ( thats 0.01AC )
|AC8DG84KD| (0.788AC)AdamStgBit(0.778AC) -> calian               ( thats 0.01AC )
|AC8DG84KD| (0.778AC)AdamStgBit(0.768AC) -> batcoin             ( thats 0.01AC )
|AC8DG84KD| (0.768AC)AdamStgBit(0.758AC) -> Boi qaaf            ( thats 0.01AC )
|AC8DG84KD| (0.758AC)AdamStgBit(0.658AC) -> NamLaLai          ( thats 0.10AC  i like the logo!)


simply by saying i send you x amount of  Abstract Coin makes it so.
proving ownership is a simple matter of looking at the history.
there are some obvious issues with Abstract Coin, that will need to be addressed



to name a few:
what if i edit or delete my post, what happens then!?
what if i make a mistake on the TX?


I think we can find clever solutions to these problems.

when i have time i will dream up wacky solutions.


fun thought experiment is fun!  Cheesy
13787  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [Experiment] Abstract Coin! on: May 29, 2013, 05:23:02 AM
What's to stop someone deleting their posts to double-spend, messing up all future transactions leading from those double-spent transactions?

We need mining. Grin

Start with a genesis post listing the known transactions so far (not too hard, they're all in this thread) & setting a problem of some kind for proof of work.

Anyone who solves that problem can write another post which confirms the previous post (quoting it) and lists new transactions they can find that have been sent since then (and picks up any mining fees), and sets the next problem.

It would need a small change to the original TX protocol: show the amount that goes to the recipient as well as the change. Anything left is fees.

If you found this helpful, please donate some Abstract Coins.

interesting,
I will think about this, thank you for your input!



I will be sending out more free Abstract Coins tomorrow
sleeping....
13788  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [Experiment] Abstract Coin! on: May 29, 2013, 03:27:14 AM
once i have given all my coins away i will attempt to buy them all back at the rate of  0.2BTC / 1AC

or not...

more than likely someone will hack it start creating Abstract Coins in MASS, and they will be worthless  Cry
13789  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [Experiment] Abstract Coin! on: May 29, 2013, 03:22:37 AM
here 0.1AC to play with.

|AC8DG84KD| (0.888AC)AdamStgBit(0.788AC) -> nimda
13790  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [Experiment] Abstract Coin! on: May 29, 2013, 03:15:26 AM
But! since i never made a post assigning the Abstract Coins the link of the quote that is supposed to prove I send them these coin wont work.
Unfortunately this section of the forum allows you to edit and delete posts.

please try to create a fraudulent TX, i dont think its possible
13791  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: May 29, 2013, 03:02:17 AM
prediction, Abstract Coin will one day take over bitcoin  Cool
13792  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [Experiment] Abstract Coin! on: May 29, 2013, 02:13:39 AM
this is premined and you are hoarding the entire supply  Grin
I'm giving it all away!

|AC63n78dn| (1AC)Genesis(0AC) -> AdamStgBit
|AC8DN93M| (0.889AC)AdamStgBit(0.869AC) -> fredtrader


you now own 0.02AC

congratulations!
13793  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [Experiment] Abstract Coin! on: May 29, 2013, 02:11:47 AM
there appears to be some bugs in the protocol...

wtv i deem these transactions to be valid forever even if the protocol changes !   Cheesy


**hmmmm  how do i do this exactly**
13794  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [Experiment] Abstract Coin! on: May 29, 2013, 02:05:46 AM
This is a really cool demonstration of just how physically worthless a cryptocoin is. Can I have some?
LOL



|AC63n78dn| (1AC)Genesis(0AC) -> AdamStgBit
|AC8DN93M| (0.899AC)AdamStgBit(0.889AC) -> ohhaithere
13795  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [Experiment] Abstract Coin! on: May 29, 2013, 02:00:50 AM
|AC63n78dn| (1AC)Genesis(0AC) -> AdamStgBit
|AC8DN93M| (0.999AC)AdamStgBit(0.899AC) -> Hazard


ok you now own 0.1AC
13796  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / [Experiment] Abstract Coin! on: May 29, 2013, 01:57:19 AM

What is Abstract Coin?

Abstract Coin is a new type of good! It is an imaginary good. it exist because i says it does! Abstract Coin transactions can appear anywhere on this forum, simple by making a post with the right protocol. I can send you Abstract Coins by making a post anywhere on the forum, and you can then assign all or part of these coins to anyone else on this forum. Its supply is strictly limited to 1 coin. Abstract Coins are infinitely divisible and impossible to counterfeit! They can be transfer between bitcointalk.org forum members.


How does Abstract Coin work?

You must quote the post that proves you were sent some Abstract Coins or the last transactions you pushed and then you can assign all or some fraction of these coins to someone else, by making a post. the first entry is the Genesis entry this entry will assign the one and only Abstract Coin coin that will ever exist to me adamstgBit.

here is it! the Genesis entry for Abstract Coin

Quote
|AC63n78dn| (1AC)Genesis(0AC) -> AdamStgBit

I, AdamStgBit am now the proud owner of 1AC
I will now send 0.001AC to user "ChartBuddy" watch closely.

Quote
|AC63n78dn| (1AC)Genesis(0AC) -> AdamStgBit
|AC8DN93M| (1AC)AdamStgBit(0.999AC) -> ChartBuddy


I now own 0.999AC and ChartBuddy owns 0.001AC

Its as simple as that!

what stopping someone from being dishonest?

anyone can try and create a post and make it look like i sent them some AC and then claim to have these coins, But! since i never made a post assigning the Abstract Coins the link of the quote that is supposed to prove I send them these coin wont work. It is up to the participants to make sure the person they are dealing with actually owns these coins, by clicking the link on the quote to verify the validity of their claim to some Abstract Coins.

what about double spends?

If someone sends you 0.001AC what's stopping you from quoting that post over and over sending Abstract Coins all over the forum to everyone!? thats what the transaction code is there for, when you send someone some Abstract Coins you attach with it your personal random code that looks like this "|AC63n78dn|" you the sender makes up this random code, and you use the same code every time you send some Abstract Coins. that way we can verify if a user has created a dishonest Tx or a double spend with some simple searching. See all the transaction i have ever made by searching for  "|AC8DN93M|"

Beta Testing!

This is an experiment, for fun, lets see what happens  Cheesy  In theory these coins can be moved anywhere on the forum, but i would ask we keep the transactions on this thread, during beta testing.  the hope is that in the end with some tweaking to the protocol, people could place some value on these imaginary coins.  I am giving away random amounts to anyone who wants some.
post your interest below.
13797  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: New video: Why the blocksize limit keeps Bitcoin free and decentralized on: May 28, 2013, 11:49:59 PM
music very repetitive gets annoying

hang on why does it become unprofitable for miners when say the block size is doubled?

Also as BTC goes up by more usage, then fees become a smaller as a fraction of the BTC and so stay the same in buying power for power and hardware.

what am I missing here?


their theory is that mining will require too much bandwidth if the block size is too high.

pretty soon you'll need a direct connection to the backbone to be able to download the blockchain fast enough, to be able mine. ( or somthing like that? )

this is make it impossible to be an anonymous miner in the network, very few people will be able to be miners, b4 you know it only a handful of miners have control over the network.


their idea is in the right direction, it would be cool if these payment processors could be built in such a way that they do not require trust.

some kind of automated bitcoin payment processing system that is open source and secure.
 not sure if possible... If not you'll need to trust your coins to a central entity to do these off chain TX

these seem like technical limitations that should be overcome given time and moores law, eg a120 GB a month internet account is not that much these days...and the speed is pretty good...many times faster than it used to be

there may be some innovations in the software that help as well

I am unconvinced about the central premise



the central premise is true, 1MB is the just about the limit for mining bitcoin under TOR.
not sure why we need to have minners run under TOR tho... its not like mining bitcoin is illegal

in any case their idea of a central processor is good for another reason, it would solve the need to wait for 6 confirmations problem.
13798  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: New video: Why the blocksize limit keeps Bitcoin free and decentralized on: May 28, 2013, 11:32:52 PM
music very repetitive gets annoying

hang on why does it become unprofitable for miners when say the block size is doubled?

Also as BTC goes up by more usage, then fees become a smaller as a fraction of the BTC and so stay the same in buying power for power and hardware.

what am I missing here?


their theory is that mining will require too much bandwidth if the block size is too high.

pretty soon you'll need a direct connection to the backbone to be able to download the blockchain fast enough, to be able mine. ( or somthing like that? )

this is make it impossible to be an anonymous miner in the network, very few people will be able to be miners, b4 you know it only a handful of miners have control over the network.


their idea is in the right direction, it would be cool if these payment processors could be built in such a way that they do not require trust.

some kind of automated bitcoin payment processing system that is open source and secure.
 not sure if possible... If not you'll need to trust your coins to a central entity to do these off chain TX
13799  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: New video: Why the blocksize limit keeps Bitcoin free and decentralized on: May 28, 2013, 11:28:27 PM
idk if i like the idea of having to store bitcoin in centralized payment processors aka bitcoin BANK

i guess, your already doing that when you send BTC to a website like https://www.havelockinvestments.com/ and buy and sell their bitcoin stocks....
13800  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: New video: Why the blocksize limit keeps Bitcoin free and decentralized on: May 28, 2013, 11:18:40 PM
idk if i like the idea of having to store bitcoin in centralized payment processors aka bitcoin BANK
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