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1381  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: [ANN] TokenPay | Koin paling aman di dunia | Penjualan Token 7 Desember on: April 09, 2018, 07:32:57 AM
Masih belum ada info terbaru gan dev nya ditanya2in di telegram juga gak ada tanggapan entah kapan baru dibagikan padahal rateny udah lumayan di cmc 2$ dan volume pun udah tergolong tinggi lebih dari 300rb$, kacau jg nih kalau ampe mandet pembayaranya apa lg kalau sampai gk dbayar

Kita tunggu saja gan sampai dev nya memberikan update informasinya,,tetapi kalau dilihat sudah banyak juga yang mengisi formulir claim bounty nya,,ane malah belum ngisi formulir,,kemaren download walletnya gangguan jadinya belum jadi
di coba terus saja gan, sayang kalau sampai ga landing ke wallet nantinya gegara tidak download walletnya tpay. saya kira ini prospeknya bagus gan, memang saat ini waktu harga crypto baru terpuruk saja sudah lumayan, apalagi nanti kalau kalau harga sudah stabil
1382  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: (Lanjutan) Pergerakan Harga Bitcoin Berdasarkan Analisa Tekhnikal l Yuk Diskusi on: April 08, 2018, 04:12:25 PM


Saya coba prediksi dari SS tf 1 d jam 6 sore ini om...
Indi 1 garis Ema masih menjauh dari garis SMA
Indi 2 garis MACD sudah cross tapi masih belum tampak bullish
Indi 3 RSI masih belum aman walaupun sudah mantul di 30
Indi 4 Stoch RSI sudah over sell lagi belum ngangkat tajam

Prediksi saya :
Berarti untuk 1 atau 2 hari ke depan belum ada pergerakan yang signifikan dari btc dan belum terlalu yakin untuk buy.

Mohon koreksi om master


keren, namun agak sedikit bingung gan, karena menurut saya kebanyakan indikator juga akan mempengaruhi prediksi yang terjadi, case yang sering terjadi adalah tidak selarasnya antara 1 indikator dan indikator lain, dan kadang terjadi keterlambatan validnya, namun menurut saya, bisa jadi kalau 1-2 hari kedepan harga bisa sideway nah biasanya ketika ada sideway panjang kebanyakan setelahnya akan ada pergerakan besar yang akan terjadi.

kalau saya untuk menganalisa teknikal pergerakan harga saya melihat grafik dan transaksi pada exchanger contohnya exchanger etherdellta, jika lebih banyak transaksi Buy yang di tandakan warna hijau kemungkinan harga akan naik

bisa saja itu sebagai acuan, namun bila kita beranjak kepada bitcoin, disini yang kita diskusikan adalah pergerakan harga dari bitcoin gan Cheesy, pergerakan tingkat volume sebagai analisa menurut saya bagus sebagai referensi tambahan Smiley
kalau ane lihat dari grafiknya bitcoin saat ini berada diarea suppport, apakah akan tembus kebawah lagi sehingga meneruskan downtrend atau bisa breakout naik keatas sehingga menembus dikisaran harga 150jutaan, kalau bisa breakout dan menembus resisten tersebut, menurut saya akan melanjutkan uptrend, meski dalam perjalanannya ada penurunan
1383  Economy / Economics / Re: "Bitcoin's true value the cost to mine one" on: April 08, 2018, 03:52:45 PM
I agree with you, The cost of mining btc alone doesn't reflect it's true value, and probably it will not be mined till that date, its value depends on a lot of factors, mining cost is just one of them.
many factors affect value of bitcoin. especially is market and in it there is demand and quote price and the law is one of them because of the news circulating, so as you say the price of btc mining is not main factor
1384  Economy / Economics / Re: Fiat Currency Always Fails on: April 08, 2018, 03:47:39 PM
Very interesting article and by the sounds of things we may be heading for
What will be the result of over printing the $ and a trade war be?

We're speaking of long-term issues here, so the trade war, or even the Fed's 'quantitative easing' are uncertain as to their effects.

The main long-term issue is that, all the incentives are for the elites to maximize the printing of money, and it eventually destroys or at least devalues their money.
but it seem to fiat currency printing should have a basis, and can not print as desired, because eventually there will be inflation. but for the long term i think fiat money making prices are not appropriate
1385  Economy / Economics / Re: What is the best exchange platform on: April 08, 2018, 03:40:25 PM
currently, I still choose my country's best local exchanger (Bitcoin.co.id),
I have never heard of any complaints, such as lost funds, hacked or failed to withdraw, withdrawals and deposits are very easy  Grin
yes, if i personally think for example there is a problem with bitcoin.co.id exchanger we can finish it directly to the nearest office, because it already exists in several cities in indonesia, so i also choose bitcoin.co.id
1386  Economy / Economics / Re: Holdings of gold vs Holdings of btc on: April 08, 2018, 11:47:43 AM
Gold is dug from the ground, forged in flames, and hurts like heck when you drop it on your foot. Bitcoin is purely digital and created by computers crunching complex equations, existing only in bits and bytes. Both are assets one is virtual and the second one is physical. But  I think gold has edge over bitcoin.
it is true when viewed from the origin, but i think both have advantages and disadvantages of each. gold is safer for investment but profit is not as much as we invest btc, besides that gold risk is smaller
1387  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Devastation on: April 08, 2018, 11:42:33 AM
Hopefully with a bitcoin can save the world economy from devastation. We all know, too much currency makes many problems in global trade, many countries that do not want to use another country's currency so that they use the strongest currencies.
i think they are not using the strongest currency but using most stable currency in the world that is usd, if you see the gold chart indicates that downtrend to support below
1388  Economy / Economics / Re: Cryptocurrencies aren't anonymous anymore on: April 08, 2018, 11:36:43 AM
I don't think bitcoin or any cryptocurrency is anonymous in the first place. Imagine the way blockchain was working. It can track down all the transaction with reference to the particular contract address or wallet. Blockchain was done this way for the transaction to be made public but no one can have control over it aside from the user itself you have the private keys and password access. At some point, address information can be learn who owns it.
i think for the full identity of wallet holder can not be known, because blockchain is anonymous, whereas we can only see other people's transactions in the form of wallet address
1389  Economy / Economics / Re: If bitcoin price is $10.000, will fiat be worthless? on: April 08, 2018, 11:32:41 AM
Many businessmans are using fiat in their business because they're trusting fiats in terms of business. Since bitcoin has been noticed by many people, many investors invest in Bitcoin. If 1btc=$7500, Fiat will not become worthless because we all know that this is the real money, physical money and you will buy it everywhere you want unlike bitcoin. Indeed, I will say that there's not possibility that fiat will necome worthless.
fiat users are bigger than bitcoin, if bitcoin reaches any price i think it will not affect fiat, if btc skyrocket i guess people are investing into btc to make a profit not to transact like fiat
1390  Economy / Economics / Re: A Resource Based Economy on: April 08, 2018, 08:13:51 AM
Both models have problems. The current capitalist model is dead in the long run as automation deprecates more and more jobs. On the other hand, the RBU model is really naive in thinking people will be happy to not have an advantage over others. We'll see how things develop, the future is extremely blurry.
capitalism will only create anxiety for all because it monopolizes all existing economies, so that over time it will sink by itself. we can see later. for that many countries are avoiding it now
1391  Economy / Economics / Re: Let's Be Honest. We Are Waiting for $100/BTC to buy on: April 08, 2018, 08:09:42 AM
Waiting for the $ 100 bitcoin price is a tough thing to happen, I'm not saying that $ 100 is impossible, but when the bitcoin price is $ 1000 then I'm sure 99% of users do not believe in bitcoin and you will lose money because after you buy $ 100 then the price will be $ 1.
this thread was created since 2015, so those who used to buy bitcoin a lot for $ 100, now may have become rich, maybe even retired from his real job. for now it is dangerous if btc reaches $ 100
1392  Economy / Economics / Re: What will happen to the banks if people uses cryptocurrencies more than fiat? on: April 08, 2018, 08:05:37 AM
If cryptocurrencies will be the basic mode of exchange in the future, what will happen to the banks then?

Banks will always stay no matter what happen. If crypto will dominate the world, banks will make ways to prevent it. If not, then they will have to create or develop their own crypto coin and will compete in the crypto world.
like today many are blocking the existence of cryptocurrency, they are afraid that later will be dangerous for his business. but with technological developments i think banks will follow suit, albeit in any way
1393  Economy / Economics / Re: What will happen if we use a one currency only? on: April 08, 2018, 08:01:07 AM
Nothing bad is going to happen, a currency being used in the whole wide world is going to solve many of our economic problem that we are facing in different countries such has exchange rate, balance of trade problem and terms of trade difficulties. It would be good if it will be accomplished

This is an idealistic way of thinking. What if... There is no sense to guess what can happen when you cannot do anything to help it come true. One currency for everybody is something that will be never realized.
it is hard to enforce a single currency in this world, surely there will be many problems to be faced. besides that not all countries are so well connected that they will do according to their own will
1394  Economy / Economics / Re: What to do with our new found wealth??? on: April 08, 2018, 07:57:02 AM
Actually, it is a poor reflection of on the development and progress of our society when the primary aim of many people is simply to get rich. And many of them believe to achieve it not through determination and perseverance, but through some speculation.
business people need speculation to succeed, besides being disciplined and diligent in reading situations, as long as there is a chance i think it is a good time to start, sometimes they think about risk behind
1395  Economy / Economics / Re: Why do people keep saying BTC is dead?! on: April 07, 2018, 10:06:00 AM
because they dont believe about bitcoin can recover it price slowly later. and maybe they make newbe panic and than sell their bitcoin in cheap value. so they can harvest it.
bitcoin will recover, slowly increase it value later. as long as you can take profit from market, its better than you just hold up your coin without any movement
i think so, many traders are frustrated because they are losers, and btc price drops significantly. so they issued a statement that btc will die because the price is going down, but i think they are wrong
1396  Economy / Economics / Re: do you know about improper use of bitcoin? on: April 07, 2018, 10:00:47 AM
I don't know personally but I think there are always people out there who abuse things no matter how good that thing is, there are people who use it to scam others and carry out crimes which hurts the market.
which many become the topic of bitcoin abuse is money loundry, terrorism fund transfers, and price games. many governments are considering it before btc is legalized in their country
1397  Economy / Economics / Re: How do I get bitcoin? on: April 07, 2018, 09:55:45 AM
Every people now are using digital currency as their payments in internet they use it for easy way of transactions and many people now are interested of give a service in social site like this forum to earn digital currencies to definitely digital currency will make a big history of all currencies. 
i think not everybody using digital currency, we can get bitcoin i guess by buying it, join bounty hunter, or trading if we have other coins. and i think bitcoin trip is not easy, because there are so many problems to deal, so if it works then this is a new development in era of digital currency
1398  Economy / Economics / Re: Tell me a secret: any way to earn 0.1 BTC per week? on: April 07, 2018, 09:45:47 AM
the only way to get that just by doing short term trading with big capital, you also know the risk of doing it so if you dare to take risks then do it and I hope you succeed
right. with trading making that impossible becomes possible. but i suggest that we have good trading skills before serious trading, besides that we must have a solid mental endurance as well, because trading is high risk
1399  Economy / Economics / Re: Money laundering tools on: April 07, 2018, 09:40:57 AM
because the blockchain system is anonymous so it will be very difficult to trace the identity of the bitcoin transaction perpetrators, so this is a great tool for money laundering,
then the government is still looking for solutions to overcome them. because if this is misused by the state apparatus, then the state will be severely disadvantaged. hopefully soon there is a decision and bring a positive impact for btc
1400  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin will have a price of $50000 on: April 07, 2018, 09:35:58 AM
I don't think the price will go up to $50,000 this year. The current market price is very depressed, this year's price will not have too big fluctuation. But bitcoin still has a high investment value.

For now yes but for future bitcoin could try to earn 30 000$ price very easy in next year we just need to get fresh investors here with big money to get inside cryptocurrency markets.
it can happen if many countries legalize btc, so many use btc for daily life, by itself the price will rise significantly. we know at this time many governments are still considering btc regulation
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