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1381  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 10, 2023, 08:43:19 AM
should i now also understand your post so that you would be interested in an individual Icarus card hat-edition? Wink
How does it works. I like my hat more than anything 😉
1382  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: 0.01 BTC loan defaulted by (MakeMoneyBtc) on: April 10, 2023, 08:40:52 AM
you could tell them to try to find a sig campaign that accepts neg trusted accounts and explain why he wants to join a campaign with neg trust.
Who wants to tie their brand to a negative trusted account?
They may able to find a spot in low paying campaigns but I do not think any high paying campaign will allow negative trusted accounts especially when there are many other users competing for the spot.
1383  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Rigged Game on: April 10, 2023, 08:34:15 AM
My question is how can one know that their game is rigged? If you play over 20 games and you lose it all, no one will believe you if you say that their is something wrong with the platform because truthfully as a gambler you have to lose, so what way can you actually know that a casino game is been rigged?
Casino games are meant to be fun for you and business for the casinos. When they are developing a software they are making sure it is bringing them profit otherwise you and them both are gambling and in business no one gamble.

Most of the games are close source so there are no such way to check the source and understand the code. When you are playing in a casino you are just trusting them.
1384  Economy / Services / Re: 🍀🍀 whirlwind.money | Review Campaign | Write a review & earn up to $100! 🍀🍀 on: April 10, 2023, 12:44:25 AM
Once received then I will take some time before leaving my review. Finally I am very close.

Let's get into the review.
Btc address: bc1qrkssk2nam39p3ltftcn9c9u7whzhvldndc4vc0
[I would not appreciate anything less than $100. If such that's what in mind than donate it to someone or something running for good cause instead of sending it to the above address. Post the transaction ID]
I consider myself a regular client for mixers. However, It took me several days to test the system before making the review. Even I had to setup a bounty. It took me time and a good amount of barnstorming to bring a complete package. You are going to read only the truths. I have nothing to feel myself biased in the review.

The website feel and look:
I have nothing to add and discuss about the website looks. Most of the reviewers above me has already talked about it form many ways. In my opinion, it's good, working fine, better than some other mixers exists so far, may be one of the bests. I saw people to face errors, but I never faced any error yet. I assume, I was doing the things correctly besides, my focus was not in front end validation but in actual mixing algorithm which matters the most for the type of service.
5 out of 5 website front end design and look.

Mixing:
FAST option was set to a 48 hours delay to ensure the outcome of the mixed coins are hard to find. Sending the coins were as expected, smooth and easy. Once sent then it was the waiting time to receive the coins. I did not check the exact delay that used to send but it was more or less in time from my guess. Fees were set to 0.25% and output address was set to one address.

Sent BTC: 0.01690363
Received BTC: 0.01671138
Fees paid: 0.00019225

All BTC were going [instantly, leaving no hard work even for someone who has started using block explorer half an hour ago, you don't need a tool at all] to a known address, the first BIG issue, at least for me. In fact with the FAST option, when you have one receiving address set to receive coins then it's useless. It serves nothing but taking your BTC from address A (The address that is given to you) to B (Mixing address which is knows to everyone) and then B to C (Bitcoin receiving address). In between, you are paying the fees which is a waste for you. With proper blockchain analysis tool, anyone can easily find a good pattern and discover the destination address.
I will give 👉
0.5 out of 5 for anonymity in this setup.
4 out of 5 for service fees.
0 out of 5 satisfaction for using the setup.

Not recommended, it's giving a false sense of mixing

The FAST option is only useful a bit when you will give more than one receiving addresses. The more addresses you have, to receive BTC the higher is your chance to hide the trace. But adding more addresses mean you are paying additional fees of 0.0001 BTC for each additional addresses where it starts becoming expensive. Plus you will need to send a good amount of BTC to split between the receiving addresses if you want to minimize your mixing cost.
I will give 👉
3 out of 5 for anonymity when using two or more receiving addresses.
4 or plus for anonymity when using three or more receiving addresses.
2.5 out of 5 for service fees when using two or more receiving addresses.
0.5 out of 5 for service fees when using three or more receiving addresses.
3 out of 5 satisfaction when using two or more receiving addresses.
0.5 out of 5 satisfaction when using three or more receiving addresses.

A mixing setup, using more than two or more receiving address is fairly recommended. More receiving addresses are better, but it comes with a higher cost.

NOTE option is the most useful option I found in Whirlwind. But it can cost you a greater risk. I am coming to the risk later. In my setup I sent BTC twice to create two NOTEs and then combined the NOTEs before withdrawing the BTC to my receiving wallet. I can not clearly remember since it was few days ago, If I am correct then both NOTEs were created on the same day in few hours delay. The next day they were combined and then I waited more 24 hours before withdrawing the BTC. All together 48+ hours if my time frames are correct. There were no problem from the website front end in the mix although the site went through constant update as I was reading information on the forum.

Note 1 sent: 0.00660254 BTC
Note 2 sent: 0.00474263 BTC
Total sent: 0.01134517 BTC

Note 1 balance: 0.00658604 BTC
Note 2 balance: 0.00473078 BTC
Combined note balance: 0.01131682 BTC

Received balance : 0.01121682 BTC
Fees paid : 0.00012835 BTC

As mentioned earlier, it's the most useful mixing on Whirlwind. You can have better anonymity since it become harder to find what possible options you went though. But the greater risk is in trusting the system/operator. BTC taught me to hold my own key and I do not trust anyone with my coins. I will take short risk, a very quick one, may be maximum 30 minutes and in between I want to see my coins are in my possession. I never trusted Chipmixer with their invoice (I guess I got the term correct) for the same reason. They had their years of shares in the service but whatever your reputation is, nothing matter for me if your option is to give you my BTC and hold it for longer time.

This is where I suspect things can go very wrong. When Whirlwind will become popular, they will have a lot of clients, every hours several hundred transactions, many BTC is in holding. Adding it for days, weeks (let's not go for months). The accumulation become bigger and bigger. One rug pull is more than enough. Everyone is going to lose the coins they left for NOTE options including those who were waiting to receive coins from the FAST option in that moment.

Setup for one receiving address and when combining more than one NOTEs, I will give 👉
4 out of 5 for anonymity in this setup.
4 out of 5 for service fees.
4 out of 5 satisfaction for using the service only when the mixer brand is less popular and small
Recommended, only when the mixer brand is small and less popular.
Not recommended when the brand is big enough that a rug pull is good to disappear with your coins.

Setup for more than one receiving addresses and when combining more than one NOTEs, I will give 👉
5 out of 5 for anonymity in this setup.
2.5 out of 5 for service fees.
5 out of 5 satisfaction for using the service only when the mixer brand is less popular and small
Recommended, only when the mixer brand is small and less popular.
Not recommended when the brand is big enough that a rug pull is good to disappear with your coins

Without combing NOTEs, it is just another form of FAST option.

Overall, nothing exiting although the NOTE option sounds exciting. There is another term I am reading around is, the Blind Certificates. I still need to study the concept. It's good to see the person from Whirlwind is active in the community. Actively asking questions, taking suggestions and applying it in the system to improve the service.

Let's finish with some pros and cons.
Pros:
The person behind the project is active and is trying his best to build a trust for the business.
The website look and feel is good.
Mixing steps are very easy to use.

Cons:
NOTE option requires a greater trust. Very risky when the business is large and popular. That's when a rug pull can take everything from you.
A known mixing address, I don't want everyone to know I am mixing my coins.
Authority blacklist the known mixing address, my addresses [receiving] are possibly blacklisted. I do not want the stone on my chest.
For a setup of more than two or more receiving addresses, the fees start becoming higher.
FAST option with one receiving address is giving a false sense of anonymity.
NOTE option with one receiving address is giving the same false sense of anonymity.

Thanks for reading.
1385  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 09, 2023, 09:53:54 PM
these are now all users listed in the graphic. some are certainly no longer present here in the forum and for the others i hope that they have just been triggered Grin
Bro! My avatar is better now 😉
1386  Economy / Services / Re: Bounty up to $20 to find detination address(es) on: April 09, 2023, 09:52:03 PM
Bounty is no longer available.

Please give a BTC address.
bc1q04tqfzrc99w8fdmqan5msstf4apm6a5dltpt9x

Thanks, will add it to the pot for the next Portuguese board raffle.
You are welcome.
Locking the amount which is 0.0001791 BTC according to preev.
I will send it once I have access of my wallet.
Sent

Looking forward to your review BitcoinGirl.Club!
You will receive it today. Sorry for the delay. Last two days I was super busy even though I was planning to post it on the 7th. Lowering the fees is a good idea when you are starting a new business.
1387  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: Sinbad.io April Bitcoin Price Prediction Challenge! on: April 07, 2023, 09:08:55 PM
$28,025
bc1ql847ly3a0kaw6zhscc686a3lv7ve98qgay8422
1388  Economy / Services / Re: Bounty up to $20 to find detination address(es) on: April 07, 2023, 08:41:47 PM
Please give a BTC address.
bc1q04tqfzrc99w8fdmqan5msstf4apm6a5dltpt9x

Thanks, will add it to the pot for the next Portuguese board raffle.
You are welcome.
Locking the amount which is 0.0001791 BTC according to preev.
I will send it once I have access of my wallet.

The mistake I made with the FAST option was sending the coins to my cold setup. Now, I have to move them and rethink again LOL
1389  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Sportsbet.io's English Premier League Football Pool Discussion Thread on: April 07, 2023, 08:39:13 PM
I've made my picks for them week already, but given the recent shenanigans from a lot of favorites, I'll surely review my picks and pick a couple of upset or perhaps go for a couple of more draw outcomes.
I hope the reviewed picks work well with you. I am not a fan of it. Whenever I tried to improved I had bad results. A single goal in the last second can change everything for a good pick you thought was going to give you 3 full points. I experienced it many time LOL

Just submitted my predictions for the weekend, the biggest game is maybe LFC vs Arsenal. Arsenal are big favourites but Anfield can consume teams.
I don't hope high. There are nothing big anymore. We are not the team in this season anymore. 😥

1390  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: <removed>.io is this a clone site? on: April 07, 2023, 08:25:39 PM
so pretty sure it's a fake site.
Obvious it's a fake site and giving their URL on the title and in the text on the forum which is a high authority domain, we are just giving it a search engine back-link to rank it up. The scammer already successfully ranked his domain for the keyword Sinbad or you would not find it.
1391  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: WINTOMATO.com scam 4300 usdt on: April 07, 2023, 08:21:21 PM
The real business world is far less transparent.
I will give that to you. True. In the forum we are only pulling the legs of the projects that are advertising their service here. They are using the traffic but they are risking their reputation with us too.

Very simple example is 1xteb. Their reputation on the forum is now below -71°C, as cold as Yakutia but look at all TV channels around the world, big football leagues everywhere you will see they are promoting the service. Advertisers give a zero fuck to it. In our area they are scam but in their area they are a licensed legal business. The transparency is their license.

1392  Economy / Services / Re: Bounty up to $20 to find detination address(es) on: April 07, 2023, 08:10:23 PM
You got one right.
Sent address : bc1qus...2f0
Of course the mix address: bc1qf...gd3r
Final address: bc1q7...sr0y

And it was the FAST option but the delay was set for 48 hours. I could make it more complected if I was using more than one addresses to receive the coins.

Mix two and three were sent using NOTE option. The both notes were combined before withdrawing. I combined the both notes more and less than 24 hours before withdrawing the balance to my address. Since none could figure out the destination address yet, I am leaving it open for others (Although with this message I left enough clue).

Please give a BTC address.

If you're open to make it 100% fair reflecting real-world conditions I'll be happy to 10x the bounty if anyone is able to deanonymize the transactions.
I will go for the review today after few hours. Then in the next few days I am planning to create a thread where I will try to check all current mixers who are active in the forum. I will offer a similar bounty to deanonymize each of them. If you want then you can take your part in the bounty fund I will have for it. I am glad you liked the idea. I hope the other guys will like it too. Let's find out who has better mixing algorithm to serve an average bitcoin user. People like us who are in the system for years already know how to trick even in our own way without using a mixer but it's difficult for average bitcoin users.
1393  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: WINTOMATO.com scam 4300 usdt on: April 07, 2023, 12:18:08 AM
I somewhat agree, but don't forget, those marketing investments need to be financed somehow. Wink
If the casino refuses to discuss the case publicly and goes through a mediator that decides against them, that's the only proof we have that they are wrong. Same thing if the mediator sides with the casino. Since they won't share any information publicly in 99% of the cases, there is no other way.
The mediation business is trust business. Once they build a reputation then they can start manipulating cases to benefit their business too. In a case between a regular client and a casino which has good relation with the mediator [he supposed to have, because mediation is his business], I do not see how the mediator will not be biased too.

Everything is complicated, super subjective. A fair solution is to bring everything in the public area and let it decide openly but you, I and everyone know, they have an excuse that everyone will know their secrets which will risk their business. I have no idea what secrets it could be.

In a program if it is designed to add two numbers then it will always add two numbers. So what secret?

My argument is, I do not side for gambling business too. Ultimately it's down to the players how much he can afford to lose. Gambling businesses are protected by their shady terms and conditions. Going to a casino/sportsbook, placing few bets, spend $5, $10 or $100 is fine but when you are going there to spend thousands and expecting you are going to take the house down, then you are a fool. Whatever you gamble, all of these money are already in the debit side of your personal account.
1394  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Sportsbet.io's English Premier League Football Pool Discussion Thread on: April 06, 2023, 11:59:28 PM
Just finished with my picks for the next round in case I forget. Lately too much is happening in real life. On the other hand I do not want to do something stupid that will ruin the excitement from the last round. Missing to pick a round will ruin everything for me.

Yes, this is a more successful round than the previous ones - I scored 17.5 points - as much as I scored in the previous two rounds in total (one round was 4.5 points).
On the last round, we had too many matches than usual rounds so high score was expected.
1395  Economy / Services / Bounty up to $20 to find detination address(es) on: April 06, 2023, 11:35:41 PM
I am very sure someone spending 10 to 15 minutes will figure it out, prove me wrong. But you have 24 hours after I make the bounty live. I am working to review a mixer. As a part of the review process I would like to see with or without any tool can someone debunk the mixes. After all mixer should break every possible connection of the bitcoin that was sent and received.

Mix one:
Btc sent from bc1qusfk857fsgm24hj352ry32dd5l6pu6qtv7g2f0

Mix two:
Btc sent from bc1q2vjwyr4r8vvgdnv405xgsvkv29q449vdvydhuj

Mix three:
Btc sent from bc1q8x9fsnumety4s68jxy43gwzuty5rt3y4tfzprx

Your job is to find the destination address(es).

For solving each mix you will receive $5.
Anyone who will be able to solve all three will receive additional $5.

Whoever will solve it first will be the winner.

Let's go. It's live now.
1396  Economy / Services / Re: 🍀🍀 whirlwind.money | Review Campaign | Write a review & earn up to $100! 🍀🍀 on: April 06, 2023, 11:13:35 PM
Did you really mean it [a] cons 🤣
It's a mixer, not banking database LOL

@Hhampuz, just to let you know, I am still working on my review. Mixing are in progress. After 48 hours received the fast option coins. And now progressing note options. I think so far I have spent over 3 to 4 hours in total. Other day around 2 hours and today since the last 2 to 3 hours I am on their website and their competitors' websites. Understanding what the F is going on behind these mixers. I will do some of my usual things after writing the post.

Let's not tell much until I have my review ready but for Whirlwind, it's a long road ahead. I guess my review will be brutal but I will try to keep the brutality as minimal as I can LOL.

So the latest changes are:
[Review for FAST option]
Sent: 0.01690363
Received: 0.01671138
Fees paid: 0.00019225

[Review for NOTE option]
First note
Sent: 0.00660254

Second note
Sent: 0.00474263
Status: Awaiting confirmation.
Latest update

[Review for NOTE option]
Note 1 sent: 0.00660254 BTC
Note 2 sent: 0.00474263 BTC
Total sent: 0.01134517 BTC

Note 1 balance: 0.00658604 BTC
Note 2 balance: 0.00473078 BTC
Combined note balance: 0.01131682 BTC

Awaiting withdrawal : 0.01121682 BTC
Potential Fees paid : 0.00012835 BTC

Once received then I will take some time before leaving my review. Finally I am very close.


1397  Other / Meta / Re: How to get away with posting off-topic replies. on: April 06, 2023, 12:41:59 AM
1. Be a somewhat established member.
2. Post them on Reputation section threads.
Just because you think something is something that does not mean it has to be something. I don't understand why it was so hard for you to accept that it was not off topic but very relevant to the topic created by the OP. The reply of TryNinja and my reply for him was a side discussion and not entirely disconnected from the main discussion which is absolutely fine when you are in a discussion. But all made you so butthurt that you had to come this far. Huh!

I wrote this in a joking tone.
And nobody was able to get that tone. May be all fuckers who are in the discussion including me have no sense of understanding.
1398  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Sportsbet.io's English Premier League Football Pool Discussion Thread on: April 05, 2023, 11:52:06 PM
Congratulations Direwolf in this amazing round.

And well deserved the extra prizes of this round oferred by SB.

No MF are talking about me in the round LOL
I was able to get 21.5 points and I am so excited about it. Basically my excitements are in the exact scores.

From the last few months, both in this pool and in the CL pool I can not remember when I was able to get an exact score. It was like whatever I do, the final score will be either close or wrong. The failure ratio is higher in this pool than CL though. But in both pools I was not able to get a single exact score, how the F it's was even possible?

But when I did, It blew my mind. Three exact scores in a row! Nothing can be sweeter than this when you are in a competitive pool. I was sailing against the wind and now I feel good days are ahead and soon!

By the way, I did not mean not to congratulate DireWolfM14. Congratulations brother 😘
1399  Economy / Services / Re: 🍀🍀 whirlwind.money | Review Campaign | Write a review & earn up to $100! 🍀🍀 on: April 05, 2023, 11:35:38 PM
Cons
-  Doesn’t have no log policy
Did you really mean it [a] cons 🤣
It's a mixer, not banking database LOL

@Hhampuz, just to let you know, I am still working on my review. Mixing are in progress. After 48 hours received the fast option coins. And now progressing note options. I think so far I have spent over 3 to 4 hours in total. Other day around 2 hours and today since the last 2 to 3 hours I am on their website and their competitors' websites. Understanding what the F is going on behind these mixers. I will do some of my usual things after writing the post.

Let's not tell much until I have my review ready but for Whirlwind, it's a long road ahead. I guess my review will be brutal but I will try to keep the brutality as minimal as I can LOL.

So the latest changes are:
[Review for FAST option]
Sent: 0.01690363
Received: 0.01671138
Fees paid: 0.00019225

[Review for NOTE option]
First note
Sent: 0.00660254

Second note
Sent: 0.00474263
Status: Awaiting confirmation.
1400  Economy / Services / Re: 🍀🍀 whirlwind.money | Review Campaign | Write a review & earn up to $100! 🍀🍀 on: April 03, 2023, 10:27:00 AM
Already sent $489.00+ BTC and confirmed. It's the FAST option but time picked 48 hours. Once it is in my wallet my review for FAST option will be below:

[Review for FAST option]
Sent: 0.01690363
Received: 0.01671138
Fees paid: 0.00019225

Gonna try the NOTE option soon and review the NOTE option below:

[Review for NOTE option]
First note
Sent: 0.00660254

Second note
Sent: 0.00474263


Overall smooth experience. Chipmixer was the best as you could volunteer the donation but here all fees sucks but hey (!) everything has a price.
I still don't understand why did I chose a fees LOL
Why would I give 4% not 0.25% + the 0.0001 BTC for each address, difference?
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