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141  Economy / Economics / Re: Crypto vs stocks on: March 10, 2018, 05:10:25 PM
Stocks has been around before cryptocurrencies, so I don’t think cryptocurrencies will be able to compete with them. Another thing for sure is that stocks attracts more investors than Bitcoin and I believe that lots of profits comes from it. Even in trading, people trade a lot of stocks thancryptos. I’m a fan ofcryptos,cause it favors me a lot than stocks.

I don't see a connection here. Would you care to elaborate on that one? Why won't cryptocurrencies be able to compete with stocks and what do you mean by competition here more specifically? If cryptocurrencies are better in risk/reward department, many traders will eventually turn their eye and money to crypto. Moreover, isn't that what's already happening today? Indeed, cryptocurrencies are not as rock solid and reliable as, for example, blue chips. But the latter are not the only kids on the block anyway. There are many other stocks in the stock market and with these crypto can successfully compete for investors money.
142  Economy / Economics / Re: surprise 2018 on: March 10, 2018, 04:39:00 PM
What improvement are you saying?

I have to admit that we started this year at the wrong foot and we have been in this wild swings lately and the bearish sentiments still in the air. But I don't think that improvements is needed to push the market up again.

The only improvement that I'm thinking is the implementation of Lightning Network. But it remains to be seen because as far as I know they are still on the testnet. It gonna be another tough one to see the price plummeting below $8K tomorrow unless another big whale comes in a make a huge buy order.
Every single sign that we're seeing seems to be indicating this is going to be a very difficult year for bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies, the previous year was pretty good and it's unlikely this year is going to be like the last one, probably many persons are going to sell their bitcoin for a bad price because they're going to get desperate because they do not see any kind of change in the price so the most important thing to remember is to not get desperate about it not every year can be year in which we establish an all time high so make sure you're holding your coins and do not sell them no matter what.

I'd also like to add that we may as well witness a change in the cryptocurrency leadership in the coming months. I understand that many people here are heavily invested in Bitcoin, so they won't love what I'm going to say now. Bitcoin looks like a dead horse to me, and if it doesn't show the potential to bring profits in the near future, many traders will likely look for alternatives. And honestly, there are quite a few in the world of altcoins. On the flip side though, such moments give people a unique opportunity to start anew, and those who are quick to see it will profit handsomely.
143  Economy / Economics / Re: Crypto vs stocks on: March 09, 2018, 08:59:16 PM
After spending many years as a financial advisor, I find the ravings of many "experts" today as banal. There are those that speak of coins as a "Ponzi" scheme and denounce the validity of the new form of economy. There are also some that want this world to go back to the 50s, and with it all the junk that we have been working to rid ourselves of.
Looking at the new order, I can see many similarities to the monetary base that we are used to. Our economic base is not tied to any metals or valuables, but believed to be of value and tradeable as though it were tangible treasure. We have not backed our currency for many years (since 1971) but our currency has been the standard of the world.
Why then are these "old-timers" so afraid of crypto? Because they are afraid of change. The same reason that we still have racism in this country and others, the same reason that we still have wars. The world has changed, and not everyone is comfortable with that. But to not change with it is socialogical death.
Yes, it is prone to swings in value. Anything that has potential is. But we need to have a universally accepted basis so that sane commerce can prevail. It is the future, and there will always be something that is new. But by understanding it and working within it, one can determine whether it is something to stick with or ignore. I choose to stick.

Could you please be more specific about whom you refer to as "old-timers"? Somehow, I'm inclined to believe that you mean Warren Buffett since he perfectly fits the category of an "old-timer" by any metric I can think of. But he explained his stance pretty explicitly and it hardly has anything to do with fear of change or anything of that nature. You can discard his words and opinion as inconsequential, of course, but personally, I wouldn't. In essence, his point comes down to claiming that Bitcoin has no value. Indeed, fiat has no value either but it is used in commerce unlike crypto. And until this changes, his words will continue to hold.
144  Economy / Economics / Re: Study says being rich is determined by chance rather than intelligence or talent on: March 09, 2018, 08:43:07 PM
AND you need to be born in the good family. You don't necessarily need to be rich (but it helps A LOT) but what you really need is a great environment in which growing up. Just because what you learn when you grow up can hardly be caught up afterwards. Your family will transmit culture, behaviour, opinions, way of being with other people. That may not seem a big deal but it is.

And if you pay attention to those "great stories" of people starting from nothing and inventing something truly amazing... Well, actually in most cases they grew up in families that had no big issues with money and that had enough to allow them go to school. Even if they chose to drop school, they had financial means to go. And that makes a huge difference!

I strongly support this view. It is a big deal and it does look exactly that, at least to me. The way you are raised determines your future and your success or failure in life, end of story. And even if you are well aware of your bad habits and behaviors that you acquired when you were a child due to parents neglect or otherwise, they will be hard to get rid of. That will require a lot of effort on your part, an effort which can be spent on something else, something more productive, while the feeling of a wasted childhood or youth will never truly leave you.
145  Economy / Economics / Re: Why we need price crashes and panic selloffs on: March 09, 2018, 08:29:32 PM
To attract more investors to the cryptocurrency market, it is necessary to have such strong fluctuations that many investors can buy into the crypto that they like. Bitcoin if continuous value over $ 10k then many investors will be very anxious and do not want to invest in it but if bitcoin is priced 4k - $ 5k then there will be more money than buying bitcoin, then new market can grow stronger.

It can be said that investors come (and go) in different styles and colors. There are value investors like Warren Buffett and there are speculators like George Soros. Neither is much pleased with Bitcoin. And there are people like the Winklevii twins who consider Bitcoin as the future. So it all depends on your attitude regarding your investment goals and ideals. For the Warren Buffett type of investor Bitcoin is of no use and value because there is nothing in it which would reliably produce value in a dozen years. Soros says that Bitcoin volatility is just too much for a currency. The point is you can't really expect everyone to be happy with Bitcoin price fluctuations.
146  Economy / Economics / Re: Why we need price crashes and panic selloffs on: March 09, 2018, 07:31:10 PM
You are absolutely right, and as many have pointed out these corrections are healthy for the growing market. If we look to examples from traditional and mature markets for example the corrections that occurred as result of the housing bubble 'burst' of 08. The markets than were boated with repackaged, triple A rated mortgaged backed securities which many knew were full of subprime mortgages (we could relate this to coins such as S**tCoin or Coinye West). Since these toxic assets were racking in billions of dollars a year for the banks and investors much like seen in our own ecosystem, it was only till a few negative events occurred like the bankruptcy of New Century (a mortage lender) where the downward spiral of the markets began, for us that was our Tether or Mt Gox moments. These crashes recreate a healthy ecosystem, and make worthless coins, worthless. We talk about store of value, however the only thing we could use to place as a value of the coin, is the work need to produce that coin. So in that, coins that rely on PoW should in theory have more value than PoS coins as they are more energy intensive. That is my two cents.

I find your analogy between the subprime mortgage crisis of 2008 and what happens in the cryptoverse quite appropriate and fitting. With that said, though, I can't agree that PoW coins should necessarily be more valuable than any other coins in existence today. I'm not very tech literate in this matter but I know for sure that the amount of labor put into creating something has little to nothing to do with its price, even purely theoretically. The price and value of an asset is determined by its utility and usefulness, not by amount of effort required to create or acquire it.
147  Other / Off-topic / Re: Awarding Merit for quality posts on: March 09, 2018, 06:12:40 PM
I could have given this post a merit,but you have already received them thrice and I am running low on merits. You are a guy with really good posting quality and really good in getting merits. But why are you offering them rarely to posts? I suggest you to merit people frequently so that others too could get them.

In fact, you are right. I was not giving merits simply because I'm not quite used to that yet. There was no malicious intent really, it is more like a mental gap or an unexpected lack of awareness between receiving merits and giving them. After all, what's their use if not to spend them? I will definitely give out all my merits to worthy posters in the coming days, don't worry about that. Well, maybe I'll keep a couple for something truly extraordinary and insightful.
148  Economy / Speculation / Re: Major mistake all traders make on: March 09, 2018, 06:06:26 PM
From what i see and hear and alsk have had experience, there are several mistakes that investors always do, first is they tend to think that they already know what they are doing without relying on the charts, they tend to speculate more rather than do analysis. Second, they tend to be greedy, they rely on their speculation that a certain coin will go high in value, but failed to do further research on the coin, they might bought it at a low price, but it may not go higher than they think, and they might just be set up for a trap. Third one that is see, is they go with the flow, they invest on the hottest coin and again failed to research the coin as well, theh never see to it, when is the best time to buy and sell, that's the reason why people loose a lot of money. The main reason that i see why investors makes major mistakes is that they fail to do research and in all cases, that is the reason they loose, be it a new investor or an old one.

I agree with your in-depth inquiry into the types of mistakes that many traders and investors do, especially the rookie ones. All these mistakes are real without doubt, but they can still be characterized or explained using the methodology outlined in OP. For example, you say that mistakes are due to a lack of proper analysis. But how do we know beforehand that an analysis performed was (not) proper? It may be quite extensive but this alone doesn't make it correct, right? So the real question should be whether an analysis is correct or not correct with respect to future prices. But we can't know that in advance before we actually open a position. And here's the core of the problem discussed. When you see that your analysis is incorrect, no matter how much effort you put into it you should immediately accept that humble fact and take steps to minimize your losses. I think this approach is more practical and robust but you are welcome to discuss it further, of course.
149  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: If you want to be successful in trading.. on: March 08, 2018, 08:10:58 PM
I have seen a tip from somewhere that in order for you to be become successful always in your trading, you have to to a sniper rather than a machine gunner.. If you trade always see all opportunity, every indicator, every momentum, etc. before starting to trade. Don't be hasty to trade every signal day. You just have to find that one trade that can bring you good profits and not painful losses.

So what is your question or idea, bro?

If anything, I don't see a lot of meaning and practical utility is such figurative analogies. They may sound nice, catchy, and all that, but how do they translate into actual trading? I for one don't get a slightest clue what is meant by "you have to be a sniper rather than a machine gunner". Do you mean making less trades? Okay, but how do you turn it into more profitable trading at the end of the day? Let's not be hasty, fine, but what should we look for really? I don't think it is a viable approach to ignore signals when you can make money. So how we should distinguish between signals which should trigger our action and which should not?
150  Economy / Speculation / Re: Trading is gambling after all on: March 08, 2018, 07:58:12 PM
I tried trading twice back in 2016 and "lost" 1 Bitcoin in total. Thats a lot, if you consider the last ATH. Not everybody is a born trader  Cheesy
Lol. One thing I have noticed with trading is as long as you can manage yourself in the market to trade safely, then you should be fine. However, a lot of people only gamble the market, until they realize that they are totally wrong.

At least, we have somethings to look out for to know if the whales are looking to direct a market upward, look for available resistance and play with that, and at the end, that gives you some undisputed advantage as well over someone who does not have the skills.

I honestly like the last aspect of OP where he said losing to someone who has an undisputed advantage over him and the market. I consider all these groups as whales anyway and whether we leave it or not, they control the market and they will always have the highest advantage, and the only thing is to make use of this to roll along with them and see where it leads which gives the learned trader an edge over the ones who just see gambling as 100% luck. One way or the other, someone would be smarter than the other.

You're welcome, bud.

The problem is you can't get into their mind. Another problem is they come in all shades and colors, with different ideas and intentions. What I want to say is that they make easy money of course but it doesn't mean they always go for it. If things don't "dance to their tune", they will just stay away from doing anything. After all, if they are indisputable, they can't fight against each other, right? In a nutshell, guessing what will be the next move and who is actually going to make it is not very far from gambling on its own.
151  Economy / Economics / Re: Why we need price crashes and panic selloffs on: March 08, 2018, 06:59:52 PM
The only reasong why we need crashes and panic sell offs is for the new comer to come in the scene.  with all the advertisement and promotion, people gets aware that Bitcoin exist but with high price, investors are quire afraid to enter or worst they cannot afford to enter anymore.  With price crashes and sell off bitcoin goes down in price and with that short span of items getting cheaper, buyer or investors flocks in with the new funds with them pushing the price to go up.

This is debatable. Personally, I'm more inclined to think that consistent price growth helps promote Bitcoin much better than constant crashes and incessant sell-offs. Why would newcomers want to buy a coin if they can't know or reliably expect the price to rise in the near future? If anything, high volatility scares the pants off most common people wgibh want to invest long term. Indeed, short-term traders and speculators are here precisely because of severe price fluctuations, but this is definitely not what most people are looking for.
152  Economy / Speculation / Re: Trading is gambling after all on: March 08, 2018, 05:49:50 PM
Yes trading is gamble because when money is involved in a short term profit is visible it means gamble, but it plays in a different way also, but since trading is about buying and selling therefore it is more on business activity, that needs a hard effort inorder to make profit,  but then after all it is still considered as gamble because money is the main character of the play
But anyway if seen from the basic of the effort, it's really not a gamble, it's more dependent on the expertise in analyzing the prices over time as well as choosing the right coins to be used as a trading effort. This is not a game such as in a gambling, which's only dependent on lucky (not strategy), and I think the luckies in trading depends on expertise on the price analys, it's different with a gambling that's just dependent on the game which's really randomly and testing our luckies.

In the end, it all comes down to how much you earn vs how much you lose, the financial result. It doesn't matter what trading strategies you build, what trading techniques you use, what trading philosophy you stick to. If you lose continuously, then you are gambling, end of story. I understand that trading feels differently and it is comforting as well as encouraging to find or conjure up explanations why trading is not gambling. But if you accept that trading is ultimately a zero-sum game and there is a certain edge that some actors have over the market, you will have to accept as well that trading is gambling for the majority of traders.
153  Economy / Economics / Re: Why we need price crashes and panic selloffs on: March 08, 2018, 03:52:02 PM
Yes i believe we need the weak hands to give up their investments when the bictoin starts to plunge so that we can buy bitcoin at a lower price. If all people hold their bitcoin then there will be no fluctuations in price. We need these fluctuations for the value of bitcoin to increase. These newbie investors are the ones helping us gain more by giving up when they're at a loss.

If you mean that all people without exception withhold their bitcoins, which would lead to an empty Ask side of the orderbooks, then the price would be infinite because bids will leave the Earth. If you mean that most people stick to their stashes of coins, then it would only add to fluctuation because there will be fewer asks and prices will be moving like mad. If more liquidity contributes to more stable prices, we should expect it to work in the reverse order as well. So less liquidity should lead to higher volatility, either at higher prices with fewer asks or lower prices with fewer bids.
154  Economy / Economics / Re: Why we need price crashes and panic selloffs on: March 07, 2018, 09:49:52 PM
Here we go again!

Many traders, me included, have been closely watching Bitcoin behavior these days, and it looks like my idea about the necessity of dumping bagholders holds some water. The last few weeks we saw a few feeble attempts at breaking through the resistance which had built up around $12k. We failed, and the reason why we didn't succeed is most likely due to a lot of people wanting to sell at their entry points. These people should have sold at a loss when Bitcoin crashed to $6k in early February but they obviously knew better and didn't want to book losses so they held to their precious coins. Now there may be another storm brewing which will take us down the hill and make people sell in panic to free the road to new highs in the near future.
155  Economy / Services / Re: Eligma Signature and Avatar Campaign on: March 06, 2018, 01:50:27 PM
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156  Other / Off-topic / Re: [ANN] The Utmost Epic, Totally Tubular sMerit Giveaway ~ 170 sM Available on: March 06, 2018, 10:43:46 AM
Please review this post. It didn't receive any merit, though it spurred plenty of discussion down the line and may be worth a merit:

Many people have reported that they noticed a lot of shady behavior on the part of exchanges, and here I want to discuss specific methods which many, if not all, exchanges employ to steal our money. I know of at least 2 risk-free methods which are in the store ready to be used on trading folk:

1. Exchange sees a big sell or buy order entering the system which would fill a lot of orders in the orderbook at prices higher or below the price set by the trader. In this case, exchange can itself sell or buy all these orders first and then fill the entering order at its specific price. The effect is that the exchange earns profit while the trader gets his order filled at maximum or minimum possible price. This method works exceptionally well with market orders filled at the current market price. Guess what price it will be.

2. Exchange can set arbitrary delays while adding new orders. For example, WEX (former Btc-e) officially sets a 2 second delay within which a trader doesn't know what's going on at the exchange. In this case, if exchange sees a big order, it can delay adding it waiting for another big order to arrive. If these orders are offsetting each other, exchange can then fill them itself and put the spread in the pocket. This approach works particularly well with exchanges that have lots of liquidity.

If you know of other dirty tricks that exchanges use, share them here.
157  Economy / Speculation / Re: Common misconceptions about day trading on: March 05, 2018, 08:37:10 PM
But the problem is while that would be the logical thing to do many do not think like that, after losing money in the market they cannot let it go, they wan to recover the money they lost, but since their abilities are limited then they never do and they enter in a vicious cycle from which they never recover without understanding that if they just held not only they would not have lost that money but in fact got greater profits.

As I have already written somewhere over here, Bitcoin and other major alts too were quite forgiving till recently. You could literally sit on your coins doing nothing and being completely indifferent to price moves, corrections, pullbacks, or whatever, and still book hefty profits at the end of the day simply because the whole market had been consistently rising. But now these days may be over, so your only chance to make up for the losses due to buying at the top can be via buying at local dips and selling at local peaks.
158  Economy / Speculation / Re: Trading is gambling after all on: March 05, 2018, 07:46:55 PM
In the literal sense of what gambling means, we may attribute it a little bit to that, since it is mainly speculation and you are acting based on what indicators and charts are telling you and EXPECTING a positive outcome, but at the end, as long as you know what you are doing while doing proper analysis, your chances of having more profit than loss is guaranteed, which you cannot be able to have in dice, blackjack and co that is totally based on luck. Trading only becomes 100% gambling when you have no strategy and you are making bets on the market relying on luck, while it is far more than that.

Well, I see that people still miss my point. Me and a few other guys here have already said that Bitcoin is a zero-sum game mostly. Now imagine if purely hypothetically that there are no money-takers in the market and everyone is in the same boat. Then try to think how every trader can make profits in these circumstances. The main problem is not even it is simply impossible because there is only so much money in the market. It is that a small group of people will soon get all the money available in the system. And see how guaranteed are your chances of having profit if you belong to the majority of traders that will lose money.
159  Economy / Speculation / Re: Trading is gambling after all on: March 05, 2018, 03:41:24 PM
I want to straighten it out, trading is not a gamble. Well, if you are just guessing in trading it can be said as gambling.
But here trading requires the expertise of the analyst so you do not lose.
Only a few people who think commerce is gambling because of the lack of science in trade, they just do their luck.

Most wannabe traders are gambling anyway. It works when the price steadily rises with minor pullbacks as was the case with Bitcoin for a couple of last years but it no longer works when a sideways market establishes. And then it starts to be a cut-throat competition and the vast majority of traders eventually lose. Ultimately, it doesn't matter what people think or how sophisticated their trading strategies are. It is the end result that counts, either profit or loss.
160  Economy / Speculation / Re: Trading is gambling after all on: March 05, 2018, 10:59:56 AM
Ill analyze gambling vs poker vs trading in three different dimensions

-1: House edge and winning odds-
A. Gambling: The house has a fixed edge of 10% or so, there is no skill, and you will always lose in the long run
B. Poker: The house still has an edge of 10% via the rake, but you are playing other players so if you are 10% better than other players (or 20% depending on the maths here), then you will win in the long run. Its very hard to get this kind of skill but its possible.
C. Trading: The house has a rake of 0.4% via commissions, and the game is based on skill. So its much easier to beat the game than poker if you are only 0.4% better than the other players.

-2: Risk-
A. Gambling: Typically betting 100% of your money which can be instantly lost
B. Poker: Typically bettering 100% of your money which can be instantly lost
C: Trading: Uness you are using margin, the loss is rarely 100%. A typical crypto loss is around 5-10%. On the worst of days, bitcoin goes down maybe 50% before having a hard rebound and if you have patience you wont even need to take that loss. You control your risk. You can set stop losses, you can catch rebounds. A good trader only takes losses of less than 1-5%, and makes wins of 50%+. Youd have to be in dozens of these losing trades in a row to lose your money.

-3: Bitcoin X factor -
Bitcoin has historically been in a bull market. Even with the 'rake' and even as a bad trader, the odds are always highly in favor of investors. Its still a zero sum game but the people who pay are going to be the big time investors that buy at the very top of $1M (or maybe it was $20K). So if all you do is make long trades, it is very hard to lose fiat (but easy to lose coins). This of course will no longer be the case once bitcoin finally fails.

Well, it seems that I could agree on your third "dimension", that Bitcoin has been in a bull market for the last few years, but for the "has been" part. You likely know it better than most posters here how bad this can play out in the end, which you seem to admit yourself. Basically, we can't read the future, and it is particularly true in respect to long-term investments, especially in the crypto world. In short-term or day trading this is irrelevant since you are mostly riding the volatility thing anyway, and it is not going to disappear any time soon.

The other two points are cherry picking. I had been gambling a little in the past and I'm somewhat familiar with the things there. Most casinos have a house edge of around 0.5-1% nowadays, so it is not much different from trading fees. And you don't typically stake everything.
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