Thank you megaman84, such kindness is gratefully received. EsteNuno, thank you for letting me know.  |
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Thanks coinsolidation! Yes, that's it, you can't create a resilient, vibrant, active decentralised community by forcing something on people. In some circumstances that's possible (e.g. there is only one option available due to economies scale and/or natural monopolies) but with crypto there are no barriers to new entrants, so in order to succeed you need people to willingly use your tech. That element of 'free choice' in a crowded market will be a powerful force. With many traditional goods & services there is a strict division between the provider and the user, or the producer and the consumer, but with decentralised crypto who is the producer, and who is the consumer?
A better organisational model for crypto would be something like 'fans' of a band. Who is the leader of a band's 'fans', or trekies, or star wars fans, or all those people who love 'something' so much they just spontaneously join in activities with other like minded people. Think of all the people who love dressing up at comic con, or people who dress up in character costumes to watch Rockie Horror Picture Show movie at the cinema? Nobody 'leads' those groups, but to organise those things does require 'actions' from committed people, so their is 'leadership'. Those are good models for community organisation. Could the government ever outlaw trekies? Fans spontaneously organise into starfish communities. So, what is the glue that binds 'fans' together? Common interests, beliefs, etiquette, taste, values, goals etc ... and having fun is critical. If there's no compulsion involved, then it's going to be hard to get people involved if it's not enjoyable. Doge is fun, so they have a big community. There are plenty of other coins with more technical merit than doge that are languishing in the doll drums because they aren't attracting users.
In order to create a vibrant decentralised community I think it's very important that we leave a lot of the technical details open for a while, that way we can incorporate the talents and ideas of those that join ORA later. Our job at the moment is to set some broad objectives and parameters, and to try and focus on the things that make a great community. IMO the most important ingredient is the PEOPLE! Without good people, even the best tech will fail, and for a well functioning community we need a range of people with different skills, not just technical.
Exactly. Diverse communities have diverse skills, collaborative projects enable anybody to contribute whatever they want. Importantly, as you say, because they are compelled to do so themselves, rather than commissioned to do so. WWW is the ultimate example. Ora has the beliefs, etiquette, taste, values, goals you mention. A central set of ideas is important for people to gather around. What are trekies without Star Trek? I am ashamed to admit, I don't know what this thing people gather around is for Ora, can you enlighten? Another similarity I can see with Woodstock is how we judge success too. Woodstock was actually a financial disaster for the organisers but none of the people involved would see that as an indicator of failure. Quite the contrary, even during the event they could tell the impact it was likely to have, but they knew they were all going to be saddled with a massive debt. I think they all wanted Woodstock to be financially successful, but that wasn't their primary goal, and I can see many developers and activists in the crypto community who have the same attitude. If you can make your living from something you'd love doing for free, then you never work another day in your life. That's sort of how I feel about my involvement with crypto. I can make my living doing something I'm really interested in, and something I think is truly useful and beneficial for ordinary people like me, but making loads of money isn't my major goal, and I think the vast majority of crypto activists are the same.
Agreed, we share this goal |
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Are people under some kind of illusion that they'd bought winning lottery tickets? has the definition of investment been forgotten?
SuperNET is both a managed crypto investment fund, something which gives gradual returns over time, and a core set of developers working on technologies with collaborative outreach to multiple technical projects.
There appears to be a few people who have lost touch with reality, and presume they have some right to magical free money. If you feel this in any way a possible reality, then I encourage you to walk in to the nearest brick and mortar business, give them $100, then return the next week with a wheelbarrow to receive your vast gains.
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Any mayor releases in the following dates? The unit of work I'm currently on spans 17 trello cards, about 85% of the following is required to have the first release of marking. fast key-value memory storage, sql memory storage, graph storage, webdav storage flatfile storage access controlled storage interfaces, multi owner accounts verifiable chained markings, anti double spend, provable claims, marking verification in blockchain multi and mixed typed markings with basic data extensions marking groups of personas and organizations, anonymous reusable personas, existing persona bootstrapping key storage solutions, ownership transfers, imports, automated sweeping, bulk generation daemon interface by cli, rpc, third party gateway daemon api, explorer send tx forwarding api with callbacks like blockchain.info aggregation of markings by source, destination, context free text search over markings summation, grouping, basic analysis of reputation given recieved and flow through graphs programmable object oriented api in js/node and php well defined restful content negotiated api over http streaming update api over websockets, web hooks command line and text based interface for cli and sms alias layer and address booking customizable javascript marking button for addition to any html website content parsing of html, data- attributes, opengraph, microdata, schema.org trust layer and identifi integration account control features, balance management, auto sweeping, fee splitting authentication adapters for all types of authentication, protocol, and domain well defined and documented re-implementable interfaces initial implementation offerings in common languages and SDKs initial integration offerings as embeds, plugins, browser extension, mobile apps, and addition to common opensource software The remaining 15% from these 17 short cards, along with the other 200 open trello cards, 15 domains, real world marking, wearable wallets / mark wear, and numerous projects with existing businesses, working groups, software projects, communities, and crypto related projects will progress over the time that follows. No doubt far more work, scope, and relationships will be added as we are already initiating outreach with a host of interesting technology projects. If you are looking for simple traders cues of commonly repeated work, like 'in 6 days we will release anon', then I am afraid you are looking at the wrong project Many have become accustomed to development teams holding large ICOs, premines, or notable percentages of the currency. Many are conditioned to expect pump and dumps, for developers to say things or do things only to increase the value of the currency as they hold it. I am sorry but this project is different, the developers such as myself hold a negligible amount of currency. Price tag is little more than an interesting indicative measurement of how a small group of traders and currency buyers currently view out hard work. If it goes up or down we do not benefit or suffer. Our work in the cryptographic currency area is but one little brick in the wall, we will keep this thread updated as we progress, and as pertinent things are released, for example we'll be updating compatibility to bitcoin 9.3.x a few days after the next patch is released, and when we have a couple of hours free to do this small unit of work. If you are interested in joining to contribute or discuss, to help us achieve all the things we hope to over the next few months and years, then please do join in. It can be both fun and interesting. I hope this helps clarify. Mark |
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easy for you to say when ive been mining a lot there and see 0 results, ive switched pools and have seen results within 2 days already, seems a bit too fishy for me, and if they are so well established then whats the screw up?
We'll need to await a reply, perhaps they are unaware, perhaps it is run by one person and they have been ill or in an accident. I have messaged through multiple sources and hope to have a reply within 12-16 hours - time allotted to cater for time zones. |
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whats up with www.minep.itthey don't seem to be paying out or any movement on Bitmark confirmations, scam site? It looks like they are stuck 2000 blocks behind, we've been trying to contact them. Once we know more we'll update, meanwhile please reserve judgement. |
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I am not sharp at this time, operating on perhaps 20-60% of normal mental state. Imagine the feeling you have when you stand up too quickly and almost blackout. The CFS and dizziness is something like that effect, and wavering in and out of degree but persistent of presence.
Health first, forums later - take care. |
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one key difference with many other coins is the order things are happening
I read your examples as saying fill the venues with who the audience wants rather than trying to push who you want at an unwilling audience. In project terms we (the extended bitmark community) term this adoption and community driving innovation, rather than innovation driving adoption. It's good to keep things loosely defined adding what is needed or adapting existing things over time. Living evolving projects are far more enjoyable and useful than more rigid 'fixed product offering' style projects. Your example of woodstock is pertinent, I believe crypto currency shares many roots with the counterculure movement from which woodstock was born. |
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So it just was all a big bluff by BCX? Glad I didn't buy in (as in buying his treats) and I didn't sell my Monero after all. But how do we know this is a credible website? They might be trying to clickbait... I am happy to vouch for Amber / BitcoinBarbie's credibility, have found her to be professional and courteous. |
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How so quiet  We keep the thread for notable updates and for answering questions from the bitcointalk community. Slack, Trello, GitHub, IRC, Email, Twitter are but a few of our communication channels. [Slack] Past 24 Hours 1,525 messages have been posted by people (plus another 245 messages from integrations) and 3 files have been uploaded. There are 22 people reading and 15 people posting, out of 60 people on your team. The past 24 hours have been quiet, but not so quiet. |
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earlz does it.
Earlz is very good. Trusted, proven, and transparent. |
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I presume we all react the same, but imagine if it turns out to be true. As bad as it is, a little part of me hopes this is true. |
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Regarding mining...Anybody got any AMI's set up on Amazon EC2?
You would need scrypt ASICs to be cost effective. Even the Tesla GPU instances wouldn't net you a single BTM. |
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If you don't want to mine at high difficulty you can mine at a multipool
Even at this difficulty it is as profitable or more so than litecoin and doge on average. It is? I got to learn to do those calculations... I stand corrected, thanks The fastest anybody can sell BTM from mining, is after 727 blocks - 721+6 for confirmation. This can be anything up to 5 days after mining depending on speed of the network. It should be just over 24 hours when the network is performing optimally. So far everybody who has mined consistently, certainly that I have spoken to, is in profit. To quote something written earlier: Difficulty, revisitedSatoshi told us, and we have quoted before: In the absence of a market to establish the price, NewLibertyStandard's estimate based on production cost is a good guess and a helpful service (thanks). The price of any commodity tends to gravitate toward the production cost. If the price is below cost, then production slows down. If the price is above cost, profit can be made by generating and selling more. At the same time, the increased production would increase the difficulty, pushing the cost of generating towards the price.
now what has happened with other currencies, is that they have changed the special formula from "If the price is below cost, then production slows down." through short diff changes and things like kgw/dgw they have changed it to "If the price is below cost, then production cost falls" which has killed them, or made it hard for them to survive whereas with us we have the special formula from satoshi. In high diff, low hashrate periods, the production of BTM slows, some days we have 3000 created instead of 14400. Reduced supply. |
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If you don't want to mine at high difficulty you can mine at a multipool
Even at this difficulty it is as profitable or more so than litecoin and doge on average. |
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Of course it had to rise first before it fell. But I am really worried about my investment in this coin. Sold half of the coins. When/if we go below 100 I am selling the rest of them. In how many weeks would you expect the price to go back to 240k?
Sorry you are asking in the wrong place, we are developers who make things. Nobody can predict such things. |
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But it fell from 24k to 17 k.
it rose from 5k to 250k, and is now at 170k or 190k. Check the 30 day history. |
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"networkhashps" : 135606478235, 135g is it true？
Yes, the averages over the last 60, 30, and 15 blocks are 131.63GH/s, 138.90GH/s, and 143.66 GH/s respectively. |
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What happened to the price?
It doubled and consolidated every week since launching on an exchange? At the minute we're watching the network 150GH/s now. I would encourage you to read backwards in the thread a little to follow our thoughts on price-tag and production-cost, their correlation to difficulty, and how those who develop bitmark have little interest in the price-tag, and nothing to gain from it rising or falling. |
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And after that difficulty will be 4 times higher quickly and we will have some buying supports through mining, right?
The price is going up! Is this beginning of a pump? Anyone has any info?
This is not a thread, or currency, for speculation. People mine or purchase when they want to. Following this thread!
I "met" coinsolidation in another thread and was very impressed by some thoughts he shared. Purchased just a few BTM before the massive spike, not because I'd done ANY research on the coin, but just because I really liked the way he interacted (more humanoid-like than dev-like).
Since then, I'm trying to catch up, maybe join in on the discussion. Looking forward to learning more!
Thank you sir, this is a relief to here, as a developer you can often feel like a robot. We look forward to speaking with you more in the future, and hope you will become an avid marker. |
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