Dva puta sam pročitao post i još uvijek ne kužim što je ovo.

Jel mi može netko uz neki ELI5 model pojasniti što Jambler predstavlja? @dkbit98?

Kako da ne, pa kreiraj dva accounta

Ja napokon prodao to malo ADA-e što imao na revoluteu, inicijalno sam bio spušio 900 EUR, ali sad tokom ovog bullruna se smanjilo na 600 EUR, pa potegnuo tih 400 EUR nazad.

Budem vidio dal da se regrupiram oko tog kripta sredinom godine kada se bull run smiri.

Znam da se možda sad već ponavljam kao papagaj, ali casino je tu da privuce korisnike od kojih onda moze zaradit lovu, a da dođu do toga rade svakakva čuda, ovisno o marketing teamu kojeg imaju.

Dobro pročitaj TOS-ove, ako treba traži customer support da te spoji s VIP managerom koji će ti dodatno pojasniti priču. Na kraju dana, jedini cilj zašto Betfury ima tu kampanju je zato da generira više korisnika i zaradi još više love.

Prije par godina sam organizirao "Hen Night" casino kampanju gdje se svaki vikend sakupljalo bodove, tko prvi dođe do max bodova može preuzeti jednu od tri top Hermes torbice. Po mojoj logici na 1000 gubitnika bi troje njih dobilo po torbicu, ali to sam znao ja, one to nisu znale, one su samo vidjele Hermes torbice koje mogu dobit za par sto eura.

Isto tako i ova Betfury kampanja, uvjeren sam da će netko od playera imat neku monetarnu korist od toga, ali na kraju dana kasino je taj koji će zaradit najviše.

Ako si u Zagrebu MBE ima odličnu uslugu, koristim ih već godinama, košta par sto eura godišnje: https://www.mbe.hr/en/mailboxes/

Samo pukneš broj PO boxa i adresu, nitko ti ne zna ime i prezime. Jedino će payment gateway tražit ime i prezime, ali za to jebiga.

Nakon toga ili možeš ti doć solo i pokupit unutar radnog vremena, ili preusmjeriti dalje.

Ta kombinacija s tuđom verifikacijom mi zvuči kao recept za potencijalnu pizdariju, ništa više.

Ali opet, jel nešto KYC-ano ili nije (ovisno o firmi i sistemu) je doslovce jedan klik od strane account managera.

Ne bih sada htio ulaziti u detalje, ali recimo ako neki casino operater mora verificirati affilijeta zato što payment provider inzistira na KYC proces affilijeta, isti taj payment provider te nece trazit dokumente tog affilijeta (protuzakonito je), već samo potvrdu s tvoje strane da je KYC-an, odnosno da ima kvačicu. A sad jel ti imaš dokumente ili ne, to je interni check, koji se lako da zaobić. Kvačica je bitna.

It's in no ones interest to ban legit players who contribute to the business, but it also depends on what you guys are doing.

If you're just playing with your own routines, credit cards and games, everything will be done in the background regarding checks, the matrix will not flag you since it can see that you're from the same city/street/household, no one will get into trouble. Imagine people gaming from a hotel room or a resort, they are all on the same IP, but the matrix isn't triggered because it sees different account details, gameplay patterns and funding sources. I also used to play online poker with newly registered friends in the same room and operators wouldn't mind it since the reg data was legit.

So if you're not doing anything shady, don't worry about the same IP, friends connecting and playing on the same wi-fi and so on.

However, if you're both registering at the same time and trying to abuse the betting or bonus mechanic from the same IP, and additionally using store bought debit cards or random crypto wallets, then yes, you'll get banned.

Did I help you with your research and do you need any further guidance or info?

Just asking because I'm getting frustrated by all the random replies that are there just to bump up their gambling post count, it's just random jibberish at this point, and if your question was answered I would love to see this thread locked.

Ofc, I'm gonna speak plainly.

If you're on an unlicensed or curacao licensed brand (or equivalent), as long as you're not activating the money laundering matrix (e.g. depositing large amounts from different credit cards) and as long as you're playing in the casinos favor, no one is going to do anything. However, as soon as the first big win hits, and you want to get money out of the casino, they will trigger KYC, and if you registered with a German IP, but your documents are from Netherlands, they will just refund you the funds that you've placed on that winning bet (just the winning bet, not everything historically that you've lost, they will gladly take that), and then close your account. Remember, casinos are here for entertainment, not for giving out money to every player. If the business model would be to give out every anon player $100 + a kiss on the forehead, they would quickly go bankrupt. The business model is to entertain you, and charge you for that.

If you're on an MGA licensed brand, you will not get close to serious deposits without KYC, and they have methods of knowing if you're using a VPN or not. There's a bulk list (and several providers for them) that show which IP addresses common VPN's use, and you can be triggered as a VPN user easily. It costs money and resources, so usually only larger operations have this. The main reason that they have it is because they want to comply with the various governements as much as possible so that when they open up to other operators (like Netherlands just did) the government will check their books, see that they never operated illegally on their market, and grant them a license there.

So, just a recap:
#1. The operator has ways of knowing if you're on a VPN or not
#2. Depending on the license and legality of their business, they might keep you unverified if you're lucrative to the business. Again, casinos are here for entertainment, with just a handful of winners.
#3. As soon as you're asking for withdrawals, they can figure you out through a KYC, close your account and refer any questions to the TOS.
#4. If you're, let us say, from Germany, using a German VPN IP, and playing on a German online casino, usually nothing will happen even if they KYC you.


Last week I was traveling around London and entered a few steak houses just to see slot machines and people fighting for "who's gonna go next", one poor fella spent a good 30 mins and god knows how much money, with a theory "the machine is going to "give" soon". And I'm like, no, that would be stupid. The machine is here to entertain you and give you that thrill, but it just doesn't make sense for the business if the machine gives out a jackpot everyday. Sure it's gonna give it at one point, but let's assume that that's not gonna be you at that moment - that's the only healthy way on how to enjoy these things, everything else is delusional.


We do, but it's rare. You can see that it's not the same user, different credit card, different playing patterns etc + you can KYC them and see different documents. However, since most people are usually losing, they don't share that with others. Those few that sometimes win or play some games competitively, they do tend to have family members, but it's really rare.  

Guys please don't share random info just to bump up your post count or to act as a smartass. I'm not gonna quote or point out anyone, but posting randomly and spreading misinformation isn't helping anyone.

#1. It depends with whom you're starting the venture to begin with, but in most cases it's a bulk deal negotiated on a percentage basis of your NGR (Net Gaming Revenue). Rarely there are one-time fees in this industry, and the crucial parts of the puzzle (e.g. providers) are usually taking a chunk of your NGR. It's important to note here that you can further negotiate the deal with slots providers depending on how much traffic you're getting. Some providers will give you a better deal if you're featuring their games on your homepage.

#2. They earn from your bonus budget (e.g. if you offer a $100 welcome bonus, you have to pay that bonus cost to the provider), and a percentage of your NGR. If you want I can talk with our casino manager and give you more details with some numbers here.

#3. If you're serious, you don't get it from Themeforest or TemplateMonster, that I can assure you. Usually you get a pre-developed theme that has been proven and tested by the providers that you choose (e.g. the platform provider). You can check out platform providers here, they have a full list: https://www.igamingsuppliers.com/suppliers/online-gaming/platform-providers/

#4. Yes, you have to have a bankroll, otherwise the license giver will not give you the license. Basically you need to be able to cover all the jackpots and large winnings from scratch. There is no "bankroll provider", but there are investors who are already within the industry and are looking to invest into new casino concepts. So if you have the team and the idea, they can finance it. But if you only have the idea, no team or experience, then I wouldn't recommend pitching at all. Banks will not be open to loans that I can tell you from experience.

#5. These are usually custom priced, and depends on the provider. There is a monthly fee due to the nature of the service (e.g. bookies), there's a chunk of your NGR again, and there are sometimes entry/yearly fees, it really depends on your traffic. Check out Betsson's solution, they have a really good sportsbook system, but I think that they only work with MGA licensed brands (I'm not sure).

If you're serious about the industry, I would recommend that you join one of the european igaming events like SIGMA, ICE, NEXT and others, I can even get you free tickets if you need to - networking is everything.  

I'm just now seeing this.

Netherlands is one of the most challenging markets to work on, and most big players rather opt out of it than pay all the hefty fines that the gov is giving out in case they catch you. The few big local operators that are there basically have a monopoly under the current Kansspelautoriteit laws, and remote gambling operators are still excluded from most frameworks = but the gov promised that they will introduce it soon.

If you open up a few of the MGA and Curacao licensed casinos you'll see that no one has your language available and the country is blocked on IP level. When it comes to gambling, I applaud government involvement, in UK they cracked it down to the max and kids are much safer.

Esss. sjecam se kad je darknet bio pun toga, svaki peti page na TOR Wikiju je bio double your bitcoins. Baš neki dan vidio da opet jebu okolo s Muskom i AI-om.

Balkan casino je upotpunio sliku, da nije bilo njega mislim da infografika ne bi bila korektna

Potvrđujem da se Trofi vratila moja cuga višestruko, slušaj Trofu

Kužim. Ima smisla.

Pa ne držiš 100k u banci da to osjetiš Zaštitiš se s nekretninama, dionicama, obveznicama i zlatom, te ti sve to proporcionalno raste. Ako si kupio stan za 120k prije 10 godina, danas vrijedi 240k.


Trebam ih, jednostavno mi je takav biznis model.


Ali that's the thing, ja želim smanjit ownership stvari "koje ne moram prijavit", jel ti znaš koja je muka mijenjat države s neprijavljenim stvarima ili prikazati poreznoj od kud ti novi auto ili motor Idealno sve da ima paper trail. Isto tako pokušavam odbit PDV od apsolutno svega što mogu, od kave u kafiću i benge na benzinskoj pa sve do WC papira A za to mi treba paper trail.


Ja ih obožavam. Jedan primjer:

#1. Nekretnine: 2010. godine digneš kredit uz 20.000 EUR učešća za rental stan od 120.000 EUR uz 3.2 % stopu. Zbog inflacije ne samo da isti taj stan danas rentaš za 3x iznos mjesecnog kredita, već isto tako možeš dić hipoteku na 240k jer mu je vrijednost porasla i kupit sljedeću nekretninu od milijun eur koja se sastoji od tri takva stana, te ponoviti priču. Ali paziš koji je market u igri, ne radiš to baš u Albaniji ili u području tornada.
#2. EU Poticaji: Imaš zaposlene, imaš credit history s bankom, hoćeš se proširiti i uzet bezpovratna sredstva od EU-a u vrijednosti od 100k eur? Bez beda, sam se prijavi. Frend je cijelu mašineriju za izrade kave sagradio na EU poticajima i dobrom odnosu s bankom i sa svim papirima.

Ako si likvidan i ako znaš kako raditi s bankom, bonitetom i kreditima, možeš puno više toga stvoriti u znatno kraćem roku nego da "štediš 20 godina pa kupiš u kešu" ili uzmeš BTC-a i čekaš peti bull run.

Ne kažem da si jazavac zato što ne želiš radit s bankama, vjerujem da imaš svoju metodu s kojom si zadovoljan, samo htio prikazati zašto je ovo moja metoda s kojom sam zadovoljan. Ako sam išta naučio unazad nekoliko godina, to je da metode za zaradit pare su doslovce beskrajne, te svi imamo neke svoje načine na koje preferiramo generirati dobit koju trebamo za onaj stil života kojeg želimo. Tak da, I'm not judging, samo htio pojasnit moj način gledanja.

Nego, da se vratimo nazad on-topic, koliko je max što netko može zaradit u mjesec dana putem prodaje asseta na profilu? Tipa avatar, potpis ispod njega, signature?

A kad nemam apsolutno nikakve koristi od toga

Kupit BTC i čekat bull run za okrenut pare? I što ću s tim parama, spustit ih na banku i najebat zbog trejdanja?
Kupit BTC i plaćat usluge anonimno okolo? Koje usluge? Jayćeta za dizajn platit? To mogu sve pravdat na firmu i maknut PDV. 
Kupit BTC i kupovat proizvode anonimno? Ok, možda bit hitlerov mein kampf kupio anonimno, da mi baš nije u Amazon histirju.
Kupit BTC i čuvat za "crne dane"? A mogao bih, ali opet se vracamo na problem #1, kako to spustit i opravdat, a da mi odnos s bankom ne najebe. Jednostavnije mi je imat zlato za crne dane.

Ne kazem da crypto kao takav nema benefita, ima gro, samo što mi ne odgovara u trenutnoj situaciji. Ja mislim da je kasino industrija jedna od prvih koja moze imat ogroman benefit od toga, recimo kada sam bio pričao s FUN token frajerom, pojasnio mi je kako instantno mogu napraviti transfer s playera na casino i s casina na affiliatea, ali jebeš ga kada nisu uspjeli u tome.

Tak da, industrija mi je zanimljiva, pratim ju i podržavam ju, vidiš da sam čak i uletio u crypto kasino priču zbog toga što sam vjerovao u nju, ali me opalilo po guzici Tako da sad definitivno više volim stajat sastrane nego bit direktno involviran. Ovaj sljedeći projekt koji launcham 1.7. će u jednu ruku biti "crypto projekt", ali će bit regan i hendlan kao fiat tvrtka, tak da će isplate prema meni opet ić legalnim putem sa svim mogucim porezima placenima. Star sam već, daj da platim poreze i odem spavat mirno, dosta mi kombinacija

Ma that's the thing, ne želim imat ikakve kombinacije ili neprijavljene dobiti jer mi ne ide u korist. Vjerojatno budem kroz koji mjesec launchao nešto svoje pa ću to promovirat, fakat mi nema smisla trošit vrijeme na promoviranje tuđih projekata i onda još sakrivat kripto kupnje od porezne i firme

That's what I've said, if you want to be an evergreen player you need to get regulated, but at the same time this industry is one of the few that has a huge amount of no-kyc services and huge amount of scams and hacks going on. Look at what's happening with Reddit right now.


Yes I can believe you on that, but at the same time you're a solo example of a player that didn't go through a lot of verification. On which casinos do you usually play?  


It's like every other business out there, they have debt because every big player knows how to play around with debt to create more revenue streams. Also, changes do happen, markets close etc, so they are not invulnerable

Ma ne da mi se postat iskreno. Taj gambling dio treba jednu veliku reformu, još uvijek se nadam da ćeš dobit merit source da se to spegla sve. Imam još uvijek raspisane neke ideje oko threadova koje mogu držat, ovaj zadnji AMA je bio test, pa ćmo vidjet kak će ić.

Nemam kripta Ja sam ti više dividende/obveznica tip jer ovisim dosta o bankama i bankarskom sustavu, a gledaju te ko boga jednom kada napraviš konkretan portfolio s njima. Sad kad razmislim, imam nešto sitno FUN tokena negdje, ali to sam bio kupio kada sam upoznao frajera na nekoj konferenciji pa, kao, da podržim projekt, te na Revolutu imam nešto kardana uz neki debeli -70% na njemu

U startu sam se bio igrao sa ETH, LTC i BTC-om, nešto zaradio, nešto spušio, zatim imao sranja s bankovnim računima i knjigovodstvom zbog trejdanja, iz nekog razloga legit banke poput HSBC-a i Erste ne podržavaju trejdanje i krenu radit sranja i prijetiti sa zatvaranjem ili ograničavanjem usluga, pa zaključio da se najbolje maknut. Upravo dižem kredit za neku investiciju i zbog extended KYC-a me banka traži preglede svih drugih bankovnih računa (ala Revolute) te pojašnjenja tko što gdje čim nanjuše neki kripto ili kombinaciju. Neki cilj od zadnjih par godina mi je da se držim isključivo clean taxable incomea koji odgovara bankaru, jer drugačije ne mogu dobit ono što želim od njih.

Ali mi industrija zanimljiva.

Nisam rekao da sam radio za Epic, nego da sam igrao UT ko seljak od kada je izašao (2000) i vjerojatno natankao dovoljno sati u njemu da me sram uopće pisat o tome Jutra sam trkeljao po digitaliji i marketingu, a večeri na serveru/mircu UT-a, dok se po vikendima rokalo po regularnim i LAN partijima. Good times Ne znam koliko je ostatak ovdje bio aktivan u toj sceni i koje su godine u igri, ali planira se rezurektati DIV LAN party koji je nekada bio jedan od najvecih gaming evenata: https://www.facebook.com/groups/24495247993393860

I nemoj me krivit za offtopic, ti si započeo