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141  Other / Off-topic / Re: Gun free zone on: December 16, 2012, 07:15:49 AM


The Osaka School Massacre took place on June 8, 2001, at Ikeda Elementary School, an elite primary school affiliated with Osaka Kyoiku University in Osaka Prefecture, Japan.

At 10:15 that morning, 37-year-old former janitor Mamoru Takuma entered the school armed with a kitchen knife and began stabbing numerous school children and teachers. He killed eight children, mostly between the ages of seven and eight, and seriously wounded thirteen other children and two teachers

This week there was also a school attack in China too. A knife-wielding maniac slashed 22 children at a kindergarten. Not a single child died. Do you really think that upgrading the tools available to killers is a good idea?

I also don't think you want to bring up Japan (Japan has very strict gun control, though not as strict as Singapore). In 2006, there were 2 gun related deaths of any type in Japan, a country of about 130 million. By contrast, in the US, there were 642 fatal firearm accidents in 2006. In addition, there were about 30,000 homicides involving gunshot wounds.


The point is that banning of weapons will not stop these kinds of massacres.  We live in a dangerous world and taking away a person's right to self defense will not make it safer.

I don't see how anyone can tell a victim of a crime that they do not have the right to protect their body's using the most efficient method possible, a firearm.  For example, I don't see how anyone can tell a woman that has been raped that she does not have the right to carry a firearm.

Where do you get your 30,000 homicides from gunshot wounds in 2006?  In 2009 there were only 11,493 firearm homicides according to the CDC.

I like the WSJ's database on homicides in the United States.
http://projects.wsj.com/murderdata

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You know Singapore is very interesting.  It has a civilian homicide rate 0.3 per 100,000 people of but a state homicide (execution) rate of 1.4 per 100,000.
142  Other / Off-topic / Re: Gun free zone on: December 16, 2012, 02:07:20 AM

From this account there are 21 known death over 2 years in a country with more than 4 times the population of the US. So in a single rampage in a school guns made the equivalent damage of 8 years worth of knife attacks in school in China.


So China (a nation that brutally represses protests) has about 0.016 school massacre deaths per million people.  So if we use your mathematics,
Mathematics are mathematics I don't have my own kind, I simply illustrated that the China knife rampages aren't really useful to compare China and US (especially if you want to make the US look good). Anyway you were the one to bring China up.

China isn't a civilized country by my standards (there's a set of personal freedom I believe to be mandatory and China doesn't enforce them and actively suppress them). If you want to make the situation better in a civilized country I believe looking at how others with common goals for their society get better results do it can shed some light on the subject, bringing China as an example doesn't seem relevant to me even without maths involved.

Do you agree that banning all guns would not end rampages that kill children?

Is Japan a 'civilized' nation?

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The Osaka School Massacre took place on June 8, 2001, at Ikeda Elementary School, an elite primary school affiliated with Osaka Kyoiku University in Osaka Prefecture, Japan.

At 10:15 that morning, 37-year-old former janitor Mamoru Takuma entered the school armed with a kitchen knife and began stabbing numerous school children and teachers. He killed eight children, mostly between the ages of seven and eight, and seriously wounded thirteen other children and two teachers

Germany?
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The Winnenden school shooting occurred on the morning of 11 March 2009 at a secondary school in Winnenden, Baden-Württemberg, in southwestern Germany, followed by a shootout at a car dealership in nearby Wendlingen.[1][5] The shooting spree resulted in 16 deaths, including the suicide of the perpetrator, 17-year-old Tim Kretschmer, who had graduated from the school one year earlier.[1] Another 11 persons were injured during the incident.

No matter the weapon bans that occur after these massacres, they will continue to happen.
143  Other / Off-topic / Re: Gun free zone on: December 16, 2012, 01:35:03 AM

From this account there are 21 known death over 2 years in a country with more than 4 times the population of the US. So in a single rampage in a school guns made the equivalent damage of 8 years worth of knife attacks in school in China.


So China (a nation that brutally represses protests) has about 0.016 school massacre deaths per million people.  So if we use your mathematics, if America bans and forcefully removes all of its 310 million nonmilitary firearms in its country it will have about 5 school rampage deaths per year due to knives, clubs, cleavers, hammers, based on the rate in China.

I think a more interesting statistic is how many gun deaths per million nonmilitary firearms in a country, but this statistic is hard to quantify as many nations ban guns, and the guns available in places such as China are hand made or stolen from the military or police.

Massacres are not a phenomena that only occur where people have access to firearms.  The people that do these attacks are the anomalies of society.  Having a mental health problem is not a predictable sign that an attack like this will happen.  Nothing is going to stop a person that has made up their mind to do this kind of attack.  The only possibility may be in reducing the number of victims per attack by restricting the ability of the rest of the population to defend their life.  In exchange for that reduction we are talking about the possibility of the state increasing the suppression of its own population.

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The fact that many people say that doesn't mean it's automatically true. People without guns have fought tyranny (see Gandhi) so in at least some circumstances it can be done and costs less lives and suffering than the alternative.


144  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Myrkul Sells AnCap... on: December 16, 2012, 01:01:46 AM
I don't think enough people can agree to a nonaggression pact

While this might be true, at least in an ancap society aggressors will get killed or ostracized, which is an improvement to what happens in a statist society, where they get to be presidents and cops and judges and soldiers, killing / ruining / caging / robbing everyone by the millions, with absolute impunity.

How about we work on the AnCap society with the bitcoin economy first then move into more mainstream economic areas next.  The Securities forum is a good place to start with enforcement of contracts.  Most scams degenerate into reporting the scam to the statists when it should be handled in another way.
145  Other / Off-topic / Re: Gun free zone on: December 16, 2012, 12:48:38 AM
There are a lot of elementary school stabbings in China but no one talks about how more violent and morally corrupt Chinese people are compared to other nationalities and how knives need to be banned.
How many deaths per 1 million people? "Lots" for China doesn't mean much if you don't speak relatively, it's a huge country.

This happened yesterday.  Luckily no one died.
http://hiphopwired.com/2012/12/14/22-children-stabbed-in-chinese-primary-school-photos/

There were some more heavily reported accounts this year as well.

Here is a list from 2010 to 2011 of school attacks in China with hammers, knives.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932011%29

When Americans get into other country's politics they are told to stay out, but the whole world feels the need to inform Americans of their barbaric, non-compassionate nature, backward culture, and archaic politics.

I for one would feel very stupid if I was dying because someone shot/stabbed/hit me when I have the freedom to defend myself easily with a firearm unlike most other people of the world.
146  Other / Off-topic / Re: Gun free zone on: December 16, 2012, 12:35:35 AM
There are a lot of elementary school stabbings in China but no one talks about how more violent and morally corrupt Chinese people are compared to other nationalities and how knives need to be banned.
147  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Myrkul Sells AnCap... on: December 16, 2012, 12:32:27 AM
I for one don't think AnCap can exist in the outside world because there are too many competing forces vying for control.  I don't think enough people can agree to a nonaggression pact so that those that do attack others to take over some resource could be stopped.  I do think that AnCap societies can be realized in the online world through cyrpto-anarchy.
148  Other / Off-topic / Re: Gun free zone on: December 16, 2012, 12:19:19 AM
Teachers and whoever else that are restricted by laws to carry their personal defense weapons need to ignore those laws.  They are easy to conceal and if used in such a situation, the public support would nullify any chance of conviction for carrying a weapon in such a location.

149  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Republic of Molossia on: December 13, 2012, 11:18:59 PM
In case you need directions:

http://goo.gl/maps/IV9md
150  Economy / Securities / Re: My Criteria for Approving Securites on LTC-GLOBAL and BTC Trading Corp on: December 12, 2012, 08:37:41 AM


Maybe instead of a fixed 5 YES, 3 NO it could be based on the total number of moderators available at that time?  Say there are 20 mods and we set it up so YES requires 30% of the mods and NO blocks at over 20%.  Then;



I think people should take an exam in finance before they can become voting moderators.
151  Economy / Securities / Re: My Criteria for Approving Securites on LTC-GLOBAL and BTC Trading Corp on: December 12, 2012, 08:33:02 AM

"you guys" is not accurate. This is my criteria. I don't represent the other moderators. Also, I don't disapprove mining bonds or perpetual bonds in general -- just the ones that don't intend to return the face value.


Perpetual bonds do not have a face value because they do not have a maturity date.  You are confusing face value for the amount a bondholder paid for the bond.

Perpetual bitcoin mining bonds and fiat perpetual bonds are a little different because traditional fiat bonds guarantee a coupon payment of a certain amount for perpetuity.  This means that bonds sold during the Napoleonic Wars are still being paid, but that inflation has decayed the coupon payments over time.  For a perpetual bitcoin mining bonds it is the inflation of difficulty that is decaying the coupon payment as the perpetual bitcoin mining bond's coupon is dependent on the difficulty.  The problem with perpetual bitcoin mining bonds on GLBSE was not that they decreased in value from the initial bond price (not face value), it is that they were overpriced to begin with.
152  Economy / Securities / Re: My Criteria for Approving Securites on LTC-GLOBAL and BTC Trading Corp on: December 12, 2012, 02:43:49 AM
> I will disapprove any bond that does not promise to pay back the principal (face value).

And that's why I don't give a shred of trust to your "criteria". Take mining for example - it is simply impossible to return the principal if you already brought deprecated mining equipment. What your criteria means is that those legit mining bonds will not be approved, but scam bonds who can be magical unicorns and scam everyone will be able to meet your criteria.

There are no legit mining bonds because bonds are not what they should be called.

Calling them "bonds" is a lie from the start.

A bond is simply a debt security.  It can have many different forms.  There can be a specific interest rate and a face value.  There can also be perpetual bonds that will pay a specific interest rate until the issuer exists.  For perpetual bonds based on fiat currencies, inflation reduces the return of the bond over time.  For mining bonds, hashing inflation reduces the return of the mining bonds over time.
153  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What to expect from Bitcoin Magazine on: December 12, 2012, 02:21:54 AM
Here is another reason NEVER to form partnerships with other people.

That's sorta like saying "trust no one."  Follow that rule religiously, and you will lead a barren, lonely life.

Sure, some humans are fallible and will let you down.  But other humans are wonderful and will boost you up.



It is called hiring people.  You don't have to give everyone and his mom an ownership stake in a business.  When you go into a partnership with another person you are basically marrying that person, their spouse and any family members they have.  If your partner unexpectedly dies, now you have one of their family members as your new partner.  Your partner decides to get a divorce.  Well now your business is being torn apart by divorce lawyers.

Joining a partnership only increases risks involved with starting a business.  The only exception to this rule is if you are joining a firm for attorneys, accountants, or doctors.
154  Economy / Securities / Re: Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract! Cognitive Resurrected on [BTC-TC] on: December 10, 2012, 11:40:34 PM
You're doing a great job with this asset Garr. Count me in for a few shares.Smiley

agreed, Garr resolved this awkward situation superfast, wasn't stingy with comm and showed forethought. Such behavior raises trust a lot. Thanks for that.


I have to agree with the above comments!

We will be adding some extras to your order...box of honey toffee, some chocolate/almond/toffee bark, and some extra caramels.

Hats off to you.

I also agree.  I got my  shares back from Garr's work in fixing the mess.  I am lucky I chose Cognitive to invest in.  Garr is a person with a lot of integrity.
155  Other / Politics & Society / Re: NBC's Bob Costas Goes On Gun Control Rant About NFL Player's Murder-Suicide on: December 10, 2012, 11:23:54 PM
It's harder to kill with a knife. Hurt a lot - yes.



Unless you either have 0 knife skill or are up against a martial artist well-trained in knife defense/disarms.

Lol tell that to Inejiro Asanuma



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTWNRx-4aFM
156  Other / Politics & Society / Re: AnCap is inherently unstable, would immediately fail, and could never last.... on: December 10, 2012, 11:12:16 PM
So when is the crypto-tuath going to be created?


Won't happen without forming an independent country. You'd need to pull off something like the attempt below, but with a military force that is ready to defend the new crypto-nation.

i.e. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Minerva


I disagree, crypto-anarchy can and does exist within a world of governments.  The purpose of using cryptography is to hide a person's identity in the real world.  Crypto-anarchists just need to start organizing.
157  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What to expect from Bitcoin Magazine on: December 10, 2012, 04:07:33 AM
Here is another reason NEVER to form partnerships with other people.  If you don't have the cash to pay someone for doing work on your business then don't give them an equity stake.  Instead give them a guaranteed percentage of the profits.

Guess what happens when someone that owns 51% of the company decides to sell it?  It is sold.  Tough luck for the 49%.
158  Other / Politics & Society / Re: AnCap is inherently unstable, would immediately fail, and could never last.... on: December 09, 2012, 07:54:52 AM
So when is the crypto-tuath going to be created?
159  Economy / Securities / Re: Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract! Cognitive Resurrected on [BTC-TC] on: December 08, 2012, 08:29:01 PM
Is there any way Cognitive could set up a Dividend Reinvestment Plan (DRIP), where share are not held on any exchange and any dividends that would go to the shareholder instead go to purchasing new shares?
160  Economy / Securities / Re: Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract! Cognitive Resurrected on [BTC-TC] on: December 08, 2012, 07:42:04 AM
The 185 will be distributed to all shareholders or only on BTC-TC?

It will be distributed to all shareholders via BTC-TC. The shares not yet accounted for are in a holding account on site, and will accumulate dividends until the shares are claimed, then the wealth will be distributed accordingly.

Sounds like an accounting pain in the ass.  Good luck.
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