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1401  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [EBT] EBT Coin - Crypto Assistance! Now on freshmarket exchange!! on: February 06, 2014, 09:19:12 AM
my coins will not be there

That is your choice although it was the other exchange that got hacked today.

I think shaber122 means that they have no intention of dumping their EBT on an exchange. Neither do I.
1402  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] 42 | + | + super rare + | + | + | + only 42 coins to be mined + | + | + | on: February 06, 2014, 04:03:48 AM
42 has had a Steady drop... because of Multi-Pools Retargeting issues.. However, we are working with FRANKO (FRK) because they have successfully defeated multi-pools DAILY Dumping problems

Multi-pools dump 100% of their 42 for BTC... but remember, we are stopping them very shortly with the next update.


When will the multipool fix be released? Ballpark?

[edit]

There is another coin marching down to my buy line....
1403  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [EBT] EBT Coin - Crypto Assistance! Now trading on OpenEx.pw!!! on: February 04, 2014, 09:29:59 AM
Isn't the price very low on openex... What should be a stable price according to the max coins...?

It's impossible to say. The markets make no sense. This coin should go up because of the PoS and great specs. At 250 M EBT, it has a fairly high count, being more than 3 times the number of litecoins max. Also, it inflates very fast right now, with 50% mined at about 4.5 months if I recall correctly. That's good and bad. The bad part is that inflation will be high in the near term. But the decay is so fast, that after a couple of years, it will be negligible, even with PoS.

If the markets were rational, the value of the daily transaction volume (not trading volume) would determine the max market cap (the value of 1 coin times the max PoW coins). But if this were the case, then DOGE should be 12 - 15 times more expensive than it is.

For 2nd (cryptsy coins not on BTC-e) and 3rd (coins on exchanges not cryptsy) tier alt coins, hashes determine price, where 10x the hashes per second roughly equals 30x the price. Right now, EBT hashes at about 35 MH/s, which is respectable, but kind of low. One thing that the hashes don't show is the number of miners. For EBT it has been a constant 40-50 since about day 1, which is a lot. It suggests that this coin is favored by small-time miners, so will probably not command a premium price for some time. My suggestion is to mine it and hold it.

But with its good specs, this coin will survive a long time and only get stronger. Like CASH, EBT is a miner's coin and I've been mining nearly constantly since the first pool opened up.
1404  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / 42 and Descendents Have Unlimited Coin Supply Hardcoded [Fixed] on: February 02, 2014, 06:45:39 AM
42 Has Fixed This Problem

Introduction

With a market capitalization ranking of 61[1], the coin "42"[2] is advertised as the "Highest Priced Crypto Coin Ever"[3]. This high price is attributed to the coin's rarity, which is advertised to be limited to 42 total coins. Unfortunately, it looks like 42 coin and descendents thereof (like 8 coin) do not cap the money supply at the advertised number of coin. In fact, unlike most cryptocoins, the money supply of 42 appears to be unlimited.

Money Generation

In bitcoin and most descendents the money supply is capped algorithmically in the function that calculates the mining subsidy. This function is called GetBlockValue() in the source file "main.cpp". In the bitcoin code base, the source for this function is:

Code:
int64_t GetBlockValue(int nHeight, int64_t nFees)
{
    int64_t nSubsidy = 50 * COIN;

    // Subsidy is cut in half every 210,000 blocks which will occur approximately every 4 years.
    nSubsidy >>= (nHeight / Params().SubsidyHalvingInterval());

    return nSubsidy + nFees;
}

Here, the subsidy is halved for each "halving interval", measured in blocks (although the calculation is obfuscated somewhat for the sake of computational efficiency). It can be proven[4] that if all halving intervals are the same length (210,000), then the maximum amount of bitcoin ever produced will be

    21,000,000 = 2 * 50 * 210,000

42 (and probably several descendants, such as 8) uses a GetBlockValue() function like the following, taken from the 42 code base:

Code:
int64 static GetBlockValue(int nHeight, int64 nFees)
{
    int64 nSubsidy = 0.000042 * COIN;
    if(nHeight < 419)
    {
       nSubsidy = 0.0000001 * COIN;
}
    if(nHeight == 1)
    {
       nSubsidy = 0.42 * COIN;
}
    if(nHeight == 420) // yay its 420 :) Time for a smoke
    {
       nSubsidy = 0.00042 * COIN;
}
    if(nHeight == 4242)
    {
       nSubsidy = 0.00042 * COIN;
}
    if(nHeight == 42424)
    {
       nSubsidy = 0.00042 * COIN;
}
    if(nHeight == 424242)
    {
       nSubsidy = 0.00042 * COIN;
}
    if(nHeight == 4242424)
    {
       nSubsidy = 0.00042 * COIN;
}
    return nSubsidy + nFees;
}

Except in a few cases (blocks 1-420, 4242, 42424, ...) all blocks will have the same reward of 0.000042 coin (ignoring fees). Notice that the 42 version of GetBlockValue() has no halving interval and makes no attempt to curtail coin generation at the advertised maximum of 42 coin. Without a geometrically decreasing reward value, the money supply will grow indefinitely.

For 42, the advertised coin maximum of 42 coin will be produced before block 1,000,000 (42 / 0.000042), or in about 1.33 years. But the existing 42 code makes no provision to stop coin production at that time.

MAX_MONEY

One part of the code for most cryptocoins that may be confusing to developers is the MAX_MONEY constant in the source file called "main.h". MAX_MONEY has two uses in the 42 code: (1) as a sentinel return value (which won't be discussed) and (2) to check some transaction values to ensure that they make sense. For the latter purpose, MAX_MONEY is used in the inline function called MoneyRange() in the "main.h" file:

Code:
inline bool MoneyRange(int64 nValue) { return (nValue >= 0 && nValue <= MAX_MONEY); }

This function simply checks to ensure that a value is not negative and does not exceed MAX_MONEY. Nowhere in the 42 codebase is MAX_MONEY checked against a sum of the balances of all accounts, which would require the computationally expensive task of either (1) calculating every account balance in the block chain and then adding them up, or (2) summing the coinbase (money generating) transactions over all blocks. The running total of money supply is not explicitly kept in the block chain.

The MoneyRange() function is used a few times in the 42 code. An arbitrary example is checking the the sanity of a transaction, as in the CTransaction::CheckTransaction() function within "main.cpp":

Code:
if (!MoneyRange(nValueOut))
            return DoS(100, error("CTransaction::CheckTransaction() : txout total out of range"));

Nowhere in the code for 42 does is MoneyRange() used to validate the total money supply of 42.



Notes:

[1] http://coinmarketcap.com/
[2] My screen name, tx42, is unrelated to 42 coin.
[3] http://www.42coin.org/
[4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1/2_%2B_1/4_%2B_1/8_%2B_1/16_%2B_%E2%8B%AF

1405  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [EBT] EBT Coin - Crypto Assistance For The Bitcoin Impoverished! on: February 01, 2014, 05:17:02 AM
You often notice that good coins get easily overlooked when there's big hype about other altcoins still in full swing. Right now there's Cash, Nyan, Catcoin, and a good few others. Give it a week, and there'll be more interest when one of the hyped up coins loses hashpower.

You forgot 8 coin, which just launched today. All hype (but it's not going to stop me from mining a few blocks  Tongue).

Of these coins, only CASH is in the same league as EBT. But I have to admit that CASH has a better chance because it has a seemingly good algorithm to stabilize the hashes. That's missing from EBT.
1406  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] | 8 | ★★★ 8coin ★★★ ++8 Total Coins!++ LAUNCHED! HAPPY NEW YEAR! on: February 01, 2014, 04:22:59 AM
MPools 8Coin Pool http://8coin.mpools.net


Either way, the network hashes are slowly dropping. By the time a pool opens later today, they will be < 30 M, easily

Code:
$ ./8coind getnetworkhashps
25786509

Code:
$ ./8coind getblockcount
255


Nailed it!
1407  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] | 8 | ★★★ 8coin ★★★ ++8 Total Coins!++ LAUNCHED! HAPPY NEW YEAR! on: February 01, 2014, 12:56:20 AM
You avoided my question.  Was Doge launch unfair too?

you searching google in order to respond.

I didn't need google for that quote. Either way, what does google have to do with my being right?

Also, by these standards, the Doge launch was unfair. But many launches are fair. This launch wasn't.

Either way, you know you are wrong because you've resorted to a lot of name calling and "LOL"-type stuff.

If you don't have an intelligent response, I guess you have to resort to these types of tactics.
1408  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] | 8 | ★★★ 8coin ★★★ ++8 Total Coins!++ LAUNCHED! HAPPY NEW YEAR! on: February 01, 2014, 12:42:42 AM
How it is "unfair" to launch without a pool? 

Because, as your fraction of the total hashes decreases, your mining efficiency goes down. Pools fix that problem by pooling hashes to increase each miner's efficiency. Unless you can dominate the hashes, you are wasting time and electricity solo mining.

All pools do is decrease variance.

"Furthermore, there is a centralization issue: if miner A is a mining pool with 30% hashpower and B has 10% hashpower, A will have a risk of producing stale blocks 70% of the time whereas B will have a risk of producing stale blocks 90% of the time". -- Vitalik Buterin

1409  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] | 8 | ★★★ 8coin ★★★ ++8 Total Coins!++ LAUNCHED! HAPPY NEW YEAR! on: February 01, 2014, 12:29:00 AM
How it is "unfair" to launch without a pool? 

Because, as your fraction of the total hashes decreases, your mining efficiency goes down. Pools fix that problem by pooling hashes to increase each miner's efficiency. Unless you can dominate the hashes, you are wasting time and electricity solo mining.
1410  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] | 8 | ★★★ 8coin ★★★ ++8 Total Coins!++ LAUNCHED! HAPPY NEW YEAR! on: February 01, 2014, 12:20:50 AM
I'm sorry you didn't get a piece of the pie, but you are obviously just whining because things didn't go your way.  

You don't get the idea of a FAIR LAUNCH. It's fair to as many people as possible. It means you have source before mining, not after. It means you have pools available. That's the concept of FAIR.

It's my prerogative to point out when things aren't fair.

Many coins have fair launches. This one didn't.

Either way, the network hashes are slowly dropping. By the time a pool opens later today, they will be < 30 M, easily, but the damage to the coin will be done.

[edit]

97 M ... 89 M ... 80 M ... 77 M ... 45 M ... 42 M ...
1411  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] | 8 | ★★★ 8coin ★★★ ++8 Total Coins!++ LAUNCHED! HAPPY NEW YEAR! on: February 01, 2014, 12:11:26 AM
The genesis block has no value. See the avg age and chain age? See 0?

See how the new blocks still have a value? That wouldn't be possible if I mined 50 coins already as the total max is 8.

I'm not calling everyone here an idiot. Just the people that have little knowledge and start broadcasting incorrect information.


That's your problem. Where are the pools?


The source is available...  and click on block "0", you'll quickly see that the dev is telling the truth.

I'm supportive of every coin, but unfair launches without pools and without virustotal executables don't get my support. I had to build the daemon on linux before I could start mining, as did everyone else without a windows miner. And we had to wait for the repository to go online--after the launch! The Hashes were 10 M after 3 minutes and 80 M after 20. That's not cool.
1412  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] | 8 | ★★★ 8coin ★★★ ++8 Total Coins!++ LAUNCHED! HAPPY NEW YEAR! on: January 31, 2014, 11:59:27 PM
The genesis block has no value. See the avg age and chain age? See 0?

See how the new blocks still have a value? That wouldn't be possible if I mined 50 coins already as the total max is 8.

I'm not calling everyone here an idiot. Just the people that have little knowledge and start broadcasting incorrect information.


That's your problem. Where are the pools?
1413  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] | 8 | ★★★ 8coin ★★★ ++8 Total Coins!++ LAUNCHED! HAPPY NEW YEAR! on: January 31, 2014, 11:50:55 PM
You guys are unbelievable...don't trash the shit out of a coin and hate on the dev and expect a free handout in return.  If it's a waste of your time go elsewhere but stop complaining.

He got 50 of 8 coin on the genesis block.
1414  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] | 8 | ★★★ 8coin ★★★ ++8 Total Coins!++ LAUNCHED! HAPPY NEW YEAR! on: January 31, 2014, 11:49:45 PM

Yeah. The dev posted a different wallet address in his picture than the wallet that got the 50 of 8 coin.

Suckaz!!!!
1415  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] | 8 | ★★★ 8coin ★★★ ++8 Total Coins!++ LAUNCHED! HAPPY NEW YEAR! on: January 31, 2014, 11:48:07 PM
Some of you are amazing lol.
Premine was lowered last minute to 0.7% with 0.1% giveaway shortly.

Here's my wallet btw.


What about GENESIS BLOCK?

0   2014-01-31 22:04:48   1   50   0.0   50   0   0   

That's 50 of 8 coin.
1416  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] | 8 | ★★★ 8coin ★★★ ++8 Total Coins!++ LAUNCHED! HAPPY NEW YEAR! on: January 31, 2014, 11:46:46 PM
would you reply on no pools and too high difficulty? Only big hashers can mine and still no pool. This is really a fail imo bcs this coin had potential.

Agreed. Huge fail. Have pools on launch.
1417  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] | 8 | ★★★ 8coin ★★★ ++8 Total Coins!++ LAUNCHED! HAPPY NEW YEAR! on: January 31, 2014, 11:41:59 PM
wtf cant u noobs understand about 0.8%. I thought we were on a real money coin trading forum here yet i see a shitloads of idiots that probably get F's in math at highschool.

0.8% of 8 is 0.064 coins. This dev has 50. That's 625%.

the dev has 50 blocks.... jesus.

Did you click the link to the block explorer? That is 50 under the "Value Out" column. So each block after that had 0.000008 blocks of value? What does that mean? Justify yourself.
1418  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] | 8 | ★★★ 8coin ★★★ ++8 Total Coins!++ LAUNCHED! HAPPY NEW YEAR! on: January 31, 2014, 11:38:05 PM
wtf cant u noobs understand about 0.8%. I thought we were on a real money coin trading forum here yet i see a shitloads of idiots that probably get F's in math at highschool.

0.8% of 8 is 0.064 coins. This dev has 50. That's 625%.
1419  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] | 8 | ★★★ 8coin ★★★ ++8 Total Coins!++ LAUNCHED! HAPPY NEW YEAR! on: January 31, 2014, 11:34:10 PM

The dev has 50 of 8 coin.

STOP MINING!





1420  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] | 8 | ★★★ 8coin ★★★ ++8 Total Coins!++ LAUNCHING IN 1 HOUR! on: January 31, 2014, 11:08:40 PM
8GYpgWHf9dRSvzuk6tjYkmqHVYmphG7B2a

Thanks!
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