Brainwallets like NXT and Crypti are significantly different that Bitcoin.  There are a lot of parts that are kind of hard to understand at first.  The way you are saying your sentences imply that you still have a few misunderstandings.  Again somebody please correct me if what I say below is wrong...

<Then, to send XCR in that account, I have to completely download the blockchain>  No.  You have to download the blockchain before you can add a new block yourself to that blockchain as a Crypti forger, not to send or receive Crypti as a Crypti user.  When you send Crypti, the client should be sending a message to OTHER forgers who HAVE downloaded the entire blockchain that you want to add your transaction in the next block THEY forge.  Your wallet program sending that transfer-of-Crypti message does not require a local copy of the blockchain to send it.

<my account number will never collide with other account number because my account number now is associated with my private key> No.  Crypti ain't Bitcoin.  Registering an exchange of Crypti or a Delegate name or second password on the blockchain is NOT what associates your password with your account number.  Crypti uses a really cool math function called an elliptic curve (specifically, a particular elliptic curve named Ed25519; see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EdDSA) as a mysterious black box that takes in your secret password and spits out your Crypti account number.   It is the Ed25519 curve that associates your password with your account number, and that association has been embedded in the logic of the rational number line since the dawn of time and not by any action you take with the Crypti blockchain.  

Your account number will never collide with another account number because only the password you picked can generate it.  And more importantly, with Ed25519 nobody will ever come up with a formula or calculation that can take your public account number and back-calculate the password you use to access it.  And most importantly, if your password is strong enough, the chances somebody will accidentally pick the same one you did and accidentally stumble into "your" account is less likely than their getting hit by lightning on the day they win the lottery after losing their virginity.  

Crypti accounts are like a literally endless line of hotel rooms that stretch from Earth to the edge of the universe.  99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 999999+% of all Crypti accounts that mathematically exist right now will never be accessed because all the humans typing on all the keyboards until the Sun burns out won't have time to generate the passwords that access them.  

Your (35+ RANDOM alphanumeric character!!!) password checks you into a Crypti account / hotel room located in the Andromeda Galaxy.  Somebody else's password checks them into a Crypti account / hotel room located in the Sombrero Galaxy.  You can type a 100 character password with your eyes closed in your Crypti wallet software and peek into an empty account / room at z8_GND_5296, the most distant galaxy known.  

There's more "space" between Crypti accounts than humans can imagine - IF you use a strong password.  But if you use a short simple password, your Crypti is not stashed deep in the depths of (number) space, it's just up the steps of the fire escape stairs - and a hacker WILL guess it and empty your Crypti account, guaranteed.  

Brainwallets like NXT and Crypti are different from Bitcoin, they are the "wave of the future".  But they don't allow for an "air gap" or "cold wallet" (even tho that term is used even in this Crypti thread) and so ALL accounts are vulnerable to hacker attack AT ALL TIMES.  For this reason, Crypti accounts  REQUIRE REALLY STRONG PASSWORDS.   Download Awesome Password Generator at http://code.google.com/p/awesome-password-generator/ and use at least 35 and preferably 50+ characters.  

Wow.  Current Crypti is 30 second blocktime, right?  Seems like this would make not wasting blockchain bytes on empty zero transaction blocks three times more of a big deal than it is now.

I gotta ask:

1. Just how many bytes ARE going to be added to the new blockchain for every DPoS zero transaction block?

2. Is there a simple explanation about why 1 bad-guy Delegate issuing an invalid rogue block can be stopped by 100 good-guy Delegates when blocks (full or empty) are being added every ten seconds, but not if always full blocks are being added only after minutes or hours of wait time when there are zero transactions to record?

Crypti 0.2.0 DPoS will be absolutely awesome.  

DPoS certified genesis block regeneration when the blockchain hits a max length, and no addition of zero transaction blocks to allow max time before hitting that max blockchain length, will be even more awesome when it is implemented in Crypti 0.2.X.  As it eventually must be.

  

Please correct me if I am wrong.  I think that IF you download the Crypti wallet, run it, enter the password / passphrase you have selected, get to the screen that shows the Crypti account number ending in C associated with that password, copy the account number onto your clipboard or a piece of paper, and THEN log out without doing anything more, there will be no trace of your account number on the block chain.

To actually "register" that account number ON THE BLOCKCHAIN, I think you have got to give it to somebody (either Bter or somebody that has already gotten Crypti from Bter in the past) and let them send you your initial allotment of Crypti.  It is the registration of your initial ownership of Crypti that puts your account number ON THE BLOCKCHAIN, not the mere act of entering your password in the client and viewing the associated account number on your computer screen.

Again, somebody please correct me if this is wrong.

The creation of your account happens in your mind the instant when you secretly decide upon your (35+ RANDOM character minimum size!) password.  In a brainwallet system like NXT or Crypti, the password IS the account. The blockchain is about publicly documenting your account's activities and technically has nothing to do with its creation.

Use Awesome Password Generator : http://code.google.com/p/awesome-password-generator/

LOL. A 1 BTC purchase of 70K Crypti on Polo bumps our price up 40% at www.coinmarketcap.com and suddenly even the Albanians are checking this thread to see what is going on.

  And a chocoholic!

https://www.google.com/search?q=chocoholic&num=100&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=c44gVdSTA8ajsAXnhYDADg&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAg&biw=1600&bih=1114

For the record I've got a sizable amount of Crypti but not as much as 5.4M.  I'm not 584C, 728C or 952C.

I will be very very happy when 1 XCR = $1.   On that day I will quit my job and go get a ice cream sundae to celebrate.

Um, 271C is definitely the Bter hot wallet, which is getting fed from the 718C Bter cold wallet.    Click on the 718C page, it only feeds 271C.  Polo was previously IDed as 888C.  The Crypti Foundation account was previously IDed as 847C.  Accounts 584C, 728C and 952C are apparently individual users that are currently transferring Crypti off of Bter via the Bter hot wallet into their own personal accounts.  I think the Cryptsy wallet ID is still unknown and apparently holds at most 1.65M (account 980C, last active six months ago?).

Top Accounts: http://cryptichain.me/topAccounts

Top 7 accounts currently hold roughly 60% of all Crypti:

Bter Cold wallet:  http://cryptichain.me/address/983470101446368718C (currently holding 23M or 23% of total)

Bter Hot Wallet:    http://cryptichain.me/address/6746720336938643271C (currently holding 3M or 3% of total)

Poloniex Wallet:  http://cryptichain.me/address/1064014217195323888C (currently holding 3M or 3% of total)

Crypti Foundation Wallet:  http://live.crypti.me/address/15292791051968645847C (currently holding 12M or 12% of total)

Unknown owner "whale" personal accounts 584C, 728C and 952C with 17M total between them (17% of total)

Good input, thanks.  A few quick responses:

<The goal for me would be for a delegate to break even at a minimum...Right now I think the network would run a baseline cloud server that would run roughly $5-$10 per month.... >

Agree.  Prior to DPoS going live, I would urge you guys to put out a PDF that discusses in checklist detail how to establish a plain vanilla Crypti node at your preferred cloud server vendor and the estimated cost of doing so.  Even if you don't enforce a uniform hardware / software node setup policy, you should at least document your ideal baseline that potential Delegates could copy if they wish.  

<... My goal isn't to make delegates rich or have someone start from 0 XCR and become a Cryptillionaire by running a delegate.... >

Totally agree.  Being a Crypti delegate should be seen as a public service gig, not a boondoggle.  

<...So DDoS issues from spam I don't think are the issue. The real issue is just over-bloating the BC... >

Agree.  Blockchain bloat / pruning is the key factor needed for long-term survival of a cryptocoin and (I think) nobody has demonstrated this yet.  Being the first to do so would give Crypti a HUGE boost.

<...avoid adding a zero block to the blockchain if there is no transaction activity for a given time, this reducing blockchain bloat...I have discussed this in depth with Boris and he does not believe it is safe to implement a feature like this....right now we have very important core features to implement that I think are a higher priority. >

I certainly am not going to second guess Boris and I understand you've got priorities way beyond implementing this right now.  However, as an outsider, it just seems like a DPoS system is ideal for this method of reducing blockchain bloat.  A rogue Delegate can create a rogue block at any time.  Surely it is somehow up to the oversight and agreement of the majority of the remaining Delegates to prevent a rogue block from causing a fork.   I don't see how a DPoS system can successfully prevent a rogue block from causing a fork during nominal continuous link forging ever 30 seconds and yet not prevent a rogue block from causing a fork if a "no block during dead time" algorithm were added to the current system and agreed to by all Delegates.   Looks like the logic would be cut-and-paste identical.   But I'm no programmer and I guess that's another topic for another day.

<....temporarily halt forging when the blockchain hits a certain length and forge a new Genesis block that is cryptographically signed as valid by a large majority of Delegates...
This is also tricky but is something we have been looking into for quite some time.>

Just don't let this admittedly hard feature fall thru the cracks while you deal with the much more important issues right now.  Ultimately this is one of the most important things Crypti could implement and would be a revolution in the cryptocoin world.  

Lol!  Thanks for sharing your thoughts.  Fees are a complicated decision with no "right" answer, it's a complicated tradeoff / tension between (1) Crypti users, who benefit from the lowest possible fee; (2) Crypti node operators who benefit from the highest possible fee; and (3) spam control, which requires some minimum fee.    My goal of 0.0% fees is admittedly an extreme position that is 100% favorable to the first factor and totally ignores the demands of the last two factors.  However, 0.0% is undeniably the best fee for the growth of Crypti if factor (2) can be taken care of by ultra-low cost computing capabilities instead of fees and factor (3) can be taken care of by blockchain pruning capabilities instead of fees.  That's why I'm sounding like a broken record on these topics. 

Crypti has the potential to be a breakout coin and with everybody's input (mainly of course the devs!) I believe that WILL happen.

Thanks!  Here's two more:

6. What's the Crypsy wallet ID? 

(Polo is 23888C; Bter is 68718C / 43271C.  They're down to under 27M total, hooray!)

7. Is there dev interest in "mandating" ultra-cheap node hardware like an ODROID-C1 ( http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php ) for use by DPoS Delegates to reap the advantages of a uniform, standardized hardware / software setup for ALL key nodes going forward?   

The people who have not been following Crypti and are hearing about it for the first time won't really care.   The people who HAVE been following Crypti realize that the only thing Crypti PoT 1.0 shares with Crypti DPoS 2.0 is the Crypti name and an unstoppable dev team determined to create a revolutionary cryptocoin.  This dev team has earned the right to mod the coin parameters as they see fit in this shot at resurrection.

Specific questions I would like discussed at today's dev meeting and hopefully answered here on the forum:

1. What is the proposed dev target level in US dollars of monthly minimum compensation a Founder will hopefully receive from user fees?  

2. What is the proposed dev target level in US dollars of monthly maximum compensation a Founder can receive that would trigger a dev reduction in user fees?

(Anybody risking 10K Crypti in an "election" to claim the reward between these min and max target values - and who must pay for a node out of his own pocket month after month if the target range isn't hit due to low Crypti value / traffic - deserves to know these numbers.)

3. What is the minimum user fee value that the devs believe would hold blockchain spam to an acceptable level?

4. Can the DPoS system theoretically allow Delegates to avoid adding a zero block to the blockchain if there is no transaction activity for a given time, this reducing blockchain bloat?  Will this feature be in 0.2.0?  If not, can it be added as soon as possible to 0.2.X?  

5. Can the DPoS system theoretically allow Delegates to temporarily halt forging when the blockchain hits a certain length and forge a new Genesis block that is cryptographically signed as valid by a large majority of Delegates, with the previous "bloated" blockchain frozen and archived on a public website for audit purposes?  Would this system adequately deal with "blockchain bloat / spam" and eliminate the need for a minimum spam reduction user fee?  Will this feature be in 0.2.0?  If not, can it be added as soon as possible to 0.2.X?  

Multiplying Crypti balances by 1000X (not your 100X) would take Crypti from 1200 Sat to 1.2 Sat per Crypti and from 100M to 100B total coins.  DOGE is currently at 52 Sat per DOGE with 100B total coins.  Moving to 10,000X would give Crypti a trillion coins worth 0.12 Sat each.  That would be 1000/7 = 142 Crypti on average for everybody on the planet.  Thinking big is about thinking of everybody on the planet holding Crypti.

Plus, micropayments are the future, so they say...

A new Crypti coin divider value is a side issue.  

Any comments on the idea of DPoS routine regeneration of the Genesis block to control spam and enable 0.0% fees?

Somebody please explain to me why spam on the blockchain could not be controlled by a DPoS system instead of a user fee of 0.5%.   In addition to the proposed DPoS launch updated Genesis block, the 101 DPoS Delegates could cooperate and agree among themselves to create a new Genesis block at any time.  When the blockchain hits a certain length, all 101 Delegates could call a short timeout on DPoS forging, calculate a new Genesis block that preserves everybody's balances, and archive the old blockchain on a website where anybody can audit it.  Spam gets archived on a static website;  the Delegates start over with a nice short squeaky clean blockchain, and everybody's accounts and balance data is preserved.  The new short blockchain is deemed valid because a high majority (80%? 90%) of the Delegates cryptographically sign their concurrence into it.

The DPoS sytem (and the advent of super-cheap computing) gives enormous new capabilities that no other cryptocoin has.  We should position ourselves to take full advantage of these capabilities.  DPoS is more than just another method to add blocks to a blockchain.  The Crypti Delegates could one day have enormous control over Money, just as these guys have enormous control over The Internet:

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/feb/28/seven-people-keys-worldwide-internet-security-web

But this only happens if we lay the foundation for it NOW.

If Delegate node costs could be covered by a group of candidates who agreed to self-finance cheap hardware like C1s, and if spam could be controlled by routine new, short Genesis block regeneration and old, long blockchain cloud archive by the 101 Delegates, then why would we need a 0.5% fee?  Under THESE circumstances, could Crypti become the first no-fee cryptocoin?  If so, LET'S DO IT.


And as an aside, think big.  I also think the upcoming Genesis block reboot should bump everybody's account balance by 10,000X.

A trillion unit, no-fee, decentralized, cooperative, routine blockchain-pruning cryptocoin?  Hello, World!  

If this is all possible I would vote to implement it into 0.2.0 before the blockchain switchover and go with DPoS spam control / blockchain pruning / routine genesis block regeneration and 0.0% user fees EVEN IF THIS DELAYED 0.2.0 LAUNCH.

D'oh.  Silly me.

So the real core problem with blockchain technology is bloat and spam.  Therefore blockchain pruning MUST be implemented, which is (along with zero fees) another feature that has never been implemented by any cryptocoin.  Any cryptocoin without blockchain pruning is destined to die eventually.  Bitcoin is already seriously bumping into this problem after less than a decade.  One day Crypti will too.

If the actual true purpose of a user fee is not to adequately repay node runners (which I maintain it can't / won't - I dare somebody to produce a quantitative analysis to the contrary) but instead to prevent spam, then what would it take to implement blockchain pruning?  Instead of a bloated blockchain keeping a running history of every single transaction since genesis block, what is really needed is cryptographically certified current balances of all participants.   Current blockchains provide an audit trail and that's what the bloat is.  All that anybody really cares about is an honest, continually-updated balance sheet with everybody's name on it.  Losing the audit trail along with the bloat would enhance privacy, which is definitely a feature, not a bug.

Is it possible to reduce bloat among 101 delegates by programming them to not generate a block until one is needed?  No zero blocks until they are contacted by a client with a need to generate one?  What's the downside of that approach?

Could the jump from 0.1.9 to 0.2.0 also come with a temporary blockchain halt and recasting a new Genesis block with April 2014 members and their balances?  Coupled with 101 Delegates programmed for no generation of empty zero blocks and only casting a block when needed, this could make Crypti the most efficient blockchain out there.

Let's take this opportunity to drop what bloat (past AND FUTURE) that we can, if we can.
  
I look forward to Crypti simultaneously announcing blockchain pruning and zero fees in some future update beyond 0.2.0.  

I would like to see the Crypti usage fee set at 0.0% starting with 0.2.0.  This is doable.  WE SHOULD DO IT.

The REAL reason 0.5% has been picked is the belief that "0.5% is low enough that Crypti users will accept it", NOT "We the devs have an analysis showing 0.5% will cover estimated monthly node costs".  Currently no such cost analysis has been presented by anybody.  Yet estimated out-of-pocket monthly costs should be a primary factor in everybody's decision on whether or not to run a node as a Crypti Delegate.

There are three main costs for a Delegate to run a node:  hardware costs, electricity costs, and bandwidth costs.

Hardware:  A Crypti node can run on a ODROID-C1 (see http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php ) costing $35 for the CPU board, say another $25 for the power supply, memory card, etc.  That's $60 total hardware cost, amortized over a year of operation at $5 per month.    

Electricity:  A C1 runs at 10W max.  There's 30*24 = 720 hours per month.  These boards burn (10*720) / 1000 = 7.2 KWh per month.  At $0.15 per KWh total electricity cost is 7.2 * 0.15 = $1.1 per month.

Bandwidth: There's a lot of ways to estimate bandwidth costs.  I would say for the people who become Crypti Delegates, the INCREMENTAL bandwidth cost is zero.  They already have an internet connection they are paying for which they are not giving up if they don't become a Delegate, and to which they could easily link and add a ODROID-C1.   I know; I have a C1 node running an NXT client sitting quietly beside me right now as I type this.  I could easily do the same for a Crypti 0.2.0 node at minimal personal expense.

So...just what "expenses" is a Crypti Delegate trying to recover by tapping into a 0.5% user fee?  $60 bucks for an ODROID-C1?  A buck a month for power?  His internet service fee that he's going to pay no matter what so he can keep surfing the web?

Imposing a 0.5% user fee for such petty expenses is not necessary and it is not dreaming big.

Dreaming big is finding 101 Crypti users who will go out and buy with their own money a $60 C1 to run a Crypti node, and so become a part of the first cryptocurrency to charge ZERO USAGE FEES.  The value of their 10K+ Crypti will SKYROCKET because USERS WILL FLOCK TO ADOPT THE FIRST CRYPTOCURRENCY THAT CHARGES ZERO FEES.

The advertising value alone of being able to make such a claim for Crypti would be WELL worth any relatively minor out-of-pocket expenses incurred by the Delegates.

I hereby volunteer to run one or more C1 Crypti nodes as a Delegate and pay for their expense out of my own pocket forever IF the 0.2.0 user fee is set to 0.0% forever.

I solicit your vote with that as my promise.

I am looking for up to 100 others to join me in this pledge.

Will you please join me?  Will you HELP MAKE CRYPTI THE FIRST CRYPTOCURRENCY THAT CHARGES ZERO FEES?

First member registered!  To da moon for us all!

Let me make a suggestion from my NXT days.  When the NXT forums started, we put a notice on the Bitcointalk page that we had migrated to our own new board, displayed the link to it in the last post with big bold letters like

MOVED TO:

http://forum.crypti.me

and the thread moderator closed the Bitcointalk thread to further posts.  This forced migration to the new board.

Page 500 is coming up on this Bitcointalk thread.  Perhaps we could set a goal / deadline to make the switch on that page?

Before you release the 0.2.0 wallet, please spell "security" correctly on the sign-in page.  It is incorrect on the 0.1.9 page.

I have got to take my hat off and give credit where credit is most certainly due.  The fact that there is a 0.2.0 version of Crypti coming at all is pretty amazing if you ask me.  A switch from PoT to DPoS would kill most coin projects.   This dev team never gave up and made it happen anyway.  That kind of guts, and drive, and flexibility, and determination, is the most important asset Crypti has.

Congratulations, gentlemen.  You have done good.