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1401  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Those fuckers! Fiscal Cliff Rolled Back! on: January 02, 2013, 08:26:41 PM
Can't US.gov just declare bankruptcy already, shut down and liquidate to pay back everyone already?

You dont understand the monetary system.  It is not possible to pay everyone back.  ALL of our money, 100% of it, every single dollar in existence, was loaned to us, with interest.  If we paid back every dollar ever loaned to us, how would we pay back the interest?

Nah bro, YOU don't understand the monetary system. There is no interest owed on the treasuries that are held by the Federal Reserve.  You are repeating disinformation of Edward G Griffin who spins his silly little misinformations, probably because he doesn't think you are smart enough to see what is wrong with The Fed as is.  So he couches it in dumbed down terms and just makes stuff up, like "all the money is loan into existence."  It isn't.  Get your facts straight.

People who actually understand the system, like me, cringe every time some one repeats this falsehood.  Stop making me cringe.  The national debt can totally be paid off.

I stopped taking you seriously at "Nah bro", but I would love to see proof that the fed lends us money at zero interest, because I can list you at least 5 different sources that prove you wrong.

How nice of the federal reserve to loan us money at zero interest.

The Federal Reserve doesn't 'officially' loan people money at zero interest but it gets that money back through taxation and the IRS, didn't you watch that collapse of the American dream video? LOL Tongue

Actually the Federal Reserves Sells Treasury Bonds from the Treasury in their Open Market Operations to Primary Dealers who act as agents to the public buying Treasuries.  Then the Fed sets the discount rate (interest) and then buyers come in and purchase at their desired yield.   The Fed can purchase these Treasuries (which they currently purchase many of) for their own balance-sheet (ie: Quantitative Easing).   The Fed also sets the reserve ratio for the commercials banks and what assets are allowed for collateral (Commercial Paper, MBS, Older Treasuries, derivatives, etc....).   

Now to the question on how the Fed loans at zero, well there is this thing called the "discount window" where a bank can bring various collateral and then get in return Treasuries and currency credited to their account.  If the interest rate is 0-0.25, then that is what they will being paying to service this collateralized loan.   The flaw that has been exploited by the banks is that they bring very dubious assets (Home equity lines of credit, mortgages and derivatives) and collateral to get basically free money that they can either lend at interest or actually hold with the Fed and earn "free money" because we are actually paying interest on money deposited with the Fed.

I am happy to answer any questions or refute false claims.  We need to all do our homework so we know exactly how our system works.  If you do not know that then your spreading mis-information and that only gives more cover to the real exploitative actions happening in our economy.   
1402  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: Selling Asus Transformer TF300Ts 18BTCish on: January 02, 2013, 07:30:04 PM
These are checked to work: wifi, bluetooth, accelerometer, light sensor, orientation sensor, gyroscope, sound sensor, magnetic sensor, GPS, microphone, speaker, 3.5mm plug, front and back camera and camcorder, microSD slot.
Has no dead pixels. Touch screen works completely.
Let me know if there's anything else I should test (no dock or micro HDMI cable, sorry).

Comes with tablet only (may come with box, but no charger, etc.). Still locked.
For those who don't know, Asus warranty can be done through serial number, for one year starting from the manufacture date.
Price depends on condition and conversion rate to USD.

Note that in the pictures of the screens, the screens themselves have a sort of grid-like thing (diagonally) that get included. These are not scratches.

16GB TF300Ts (manufacture date 03/12):
No visible scratches on screen, one piece of dust caught under screen, no scratches on back: 18.8 ($250). Comes with box.
Some hairline scratches on screen, most of the lettering on the back fell off: 17.29 ($230). Comes with box.

16GB TF300Ts (manufacture date 06/12):
Several hairline scratches on screen: 18.05 ($240). Comes with box.

Prices do not include shipping (calculate from 95123, and choose insurance if using USPS), and I ship to US48 only.
Prices are also dependent on the current rate.


Why is it still locked?

1403  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Those fuckers! Fiscal Cliff Rolled Back! on: January 01, 2013, 09:46:24 PM
Can't US.gov just declare bankruptcy already, shut down and liquidate to pay back everyone already?

You dont understand the monetary system.  It is not possible to pay everyone back.  ALL of our money, 100% of it, every single dollar in existence, was loaned to us, with interest.  If we paid back every dollar ever loaned to us, how would we pay back the interest?

Yep, this highlights the major flaw in our monetary system.  The problem that  [P < P + I] (P = Principle I = Interest) - this is the math of a debt based monetary system.

Except for the fact that I = 0 bro.  I say again NO INTEREST IS OWED ON THE SYSTEM OPEN MARKET PORTFOLIO AT THE FED.  This whole argument of "unpayable debt" is some kind of fabrication.   Maybe by good meaning people who wanted to make The Fed look bad.  Maybe they thought the explanations for how they selfishly serve the bankers was too complex, before the whole bailout mania helped expose it.   Or maybe they decided to arm opponents with bogus information so you could be easily dis-proven.  

There is nothing impossible about paying off the national debt if the public will was there.  As to why we as a society would rationally turn over that much wealth to creditors is a totally different issue.

First off, we owe trillions in Treasuries to other foreign governments and entities. 

I don't think you understand where most debt/credit creation happens.   It is by the commercial banks.  They lend it into existence and that has interest attached too it and then at the same time carry the debt as an asset on their balance-sheet (or sell it off).  They do this in a fractional manner with almost no reserves.  This is why there is more P +I at all times in the system. 

What central banks do mostly is cover the spending of the government by selling and buying Treasury bonds and also sell Treasuries (high power money) to commercial banks so they can keep fueling credit/debt into the system.

You may need to do more research on this or actually explain how the system works and where the flaws are at.   If you come at me silly-style like that again, I am going to take you to task.  I read source documents and they are old, do try and treat me like some idiot. 
1404  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Those fuckers! Fiscal Cliff Rolled Back! on: January 01, 2013, 07:48:10 PM
Can't US.gov just declare bankruptcy already, shut down and liquidate to pay back everyone already?

You dont understand the monetary system.  It is not possible to pay everyone back.  ALL of our money, 100% of it, every single dollar in existence, was loaned to us, with interest.  If we paid back every dollar ever loaned to us, how would we pay back the interest?

Yep, this highlights the major flaw in our monetary system.  The problem that  [P < P + I] (P = Principle I = Interest) - this is the math of a debt based monetary system.

That said, bankruptcy is probably the best option. Just shutter everything, sell off the assets, and tell whoever doesn't get paid back to go pound sand.

I agree, we are too far gone at this point.  We need to reset the system and flush all the bad debt out of the markets.
1405  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Those fuckers! Fiscal Cliff Rolled Back! on: January 01, 2013, 06:53:59 PM
Can't US.gov just declare bankruptcy already, shut down and liquidate to pay back everyone already?

You dont understand the monetary system.  It is not possible to pay everyone back.  ALL of our money, 100% of it, every single dollar in existence, was loaned to us, with interest.  If we paid back every dollar ever loaned to us, how would we pay back the interest?

Yep, this highlights the major flaw in our monetary system.  The problem that  [P < P + I] (P = Principle I = Interest) - this is the math of a debt based monetary system.
1406  Economy / Goods / Re: [WTB] Lego Collections on: December 31, 2012, 07:03:56 PM
I'm looking for Lego collections. Looking to pay in BTC.

I do not want any Mega Blocks.  Roll Eyes

Post what you have, Pics, weight, asking price, and anything else important (smoking household? Pets?)

Still looking? I can sell several LEGO collections sets for Bitcoin. New sets, not used.

I have also some hard to find items, like the Shuttle Expedition, Item: 10231, ready to ship.

If interested, let me know.

/paci

I am interested.  PM me with what you have.
1407  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Bitcoin and Money Laundering on: December 28, 2012, 11:36:07 PM
Baloney.  This has already been covered before.

The single largest and best vehicle for money laundering is the USD in the form of physical bills.

Liquid and untraceable.

Actually digital USD is the preferred medium; liquid, traceable and unenforceable (Ask HSBC).
1408  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Right to endanger? on: December 27, 2012, 08:30:58 PM
Wow OK. I must have a problem with making myself clear. The question had nothing to do with anarchism or airplanes Tongue

Let me rephrase: do I have the right to endanger your life? Is it only morally wrong if you actually get hurt?

The example you used was pointing a revolver at a person. That is clearly not endangering someone's life, that is threatening someone's life.

Let me ask you a question: Two identical roads. Absolutely identical; pavement conditions, curves, lane width, everything. The only difference is that one has a sign with "Speed limit: 50" on it, and the other has a sign that says "Speed limit: 70." Is a car going 60 down one road endangering people's lives more than by doing the same on the other?

Yes you would be endangering people on the 50mph road.  The people traveling on the 50mph and assuming they are following the posted limit, are under the assumption that others are as well so if an accident happened with the person traveling 10mph more would statistically cause more harm than two cars traveling at 50mph.

Also if you traveled slower on the 70mph, you would endanger yourself more.
So, as was said earlier, the speed difference is the key, not the speed itself.

Speed matters as well, did you think it didn't    The faster you go, the probability you will die or kill someone in a crash inches closer to 100%.
But of course, faster accidents are more lethal. But the car in question was traveling at a constant speed, down consistent roadways. You claim that both actions are risking a crash. Yet one action is illegal, and the other legal.

I am suggesting that is there is a posted Speed Limit and your exceeding it, you are in fact breaking the law of that locality. 
1409  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Right to endanger? on: December 27, 2012, 07:23:15 PM
Wow OK. I must have a problem with making myself clear. The question had nothing to do with anarchism or airplanes Tongue

Let me rephrase: do I have the right to endanger your life? Is it only morally wrong if you actually get hurt?

The example you used was pointing a revolver at a person. That is clearly not endangering someone's life, that is threatening someone's life.

Let me ask you a question: Two identical roads. Absolutely identical; pavement conditions, curves, lane width, everything. The only difference is that one has a sign with "Speed limit: 50" on it, and the other has a sign that says "Speed limit: 70." Is a car going 60 down one road endangering people's lives more than by doing the same on the other?

Yes you would be endangering people on the 50mph road.  The people traveling on the 50mph and assuming they are following the posted limit, are under the assumption that others are as well so if an accident happened with the person traveling 10mph more would statistically cause more harm than two cars traveling at 50mph.

Also if you traveled slower on the 70mph, you would endanger yourself more.
So, as was said earlier, the speed difference is the key, not the speed itself.

Speed matters as well, did you think it didn't    The faster you go, the probability you will die or kill someone in a crash inches closer to 100%.
1410  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Right to endanger? on: December 27, 2012, 07:17:48 PM
Wow OK. I must have a problem with making myself clear. The question had nothing to do with anarchism or airplanes Tongue

Let me rephrase: do I have the right to endanger your life? Is it only morally wrong if you actually get hurt?

The example you used was pointing a revolver at a person. That is clearly not endangering someone's life, that is threatening someone's life.

Let me ask you a question: Two identical roads. Absolutely identical; pavement conditions, curves, lane width, everything. The only difference is that one has a sign with "Speed limit: 50" on it, and the other has a sign that says "Speed limit: 70." Is a car going 60 down one road endangering people's lives more than by doing the same on the other?

Yes you would be endangering people on the 50mph road.  The people traveling on the 50mph and assuming they are following the posted limit, are under the assumption that others are as well so if an accident happened with the person traveling 10mph more would statistically cause more harm than two cars traveling at 50mph.

Also if you traveled slower on the 70mph, you would endanger yourself more.
1411  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: [WTS] Silver Bullion for BTC @ Spot (Inventory: 07) - Update: 12/26 on: December 26, 2012, 11:23:42 PM
How much we talkin per coin? I haven't seen that mentioned yet...

Currently BTC2.25 plus shipping (BTC.50)
1412  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: [WTS] Silver Bullion for BTC @ Spot (Inventory: 07) - Update: 12/26 on: December 26, 2012, 11:21:48 PM
How much is shipping to the UK?

I would prefer not to ship out of the U.S.   Depending on your order size, I might make and exception. You can see on usps.com for rates , it will ship from Seattle, Washington.
1413  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: [WTS] Mining parts for sale (Video Cards, Mainboards HDD & PSU) - Updated 12/19 on: December 26, 2012, 10:40:19 PM
Just wanted to say I had two excellent transactions with Dalkore.  If he has something you need, I highly recommend buying from him.  Thanks again!

Thank you for the kind words.  You were a pleasure to work with as well.

1414  Economy / Goods / Re: [WTS] Silver Bullion for BTC @ Spot (Inventory: 07) - Update: 12/26 on: December 26, 2012, 10:39:19 PM
Link to feedback from customers, or your OTC rating?

My signature contains my transaction history and if you use otc then you could of looked up my name.   Problem is most customers don't use otc or my rating would be much higher. 
1415  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: [WTS] Silver Bullion for BTC @ Spot (Inventory: 07) - Update: 12/26 on: December 26, 2012, 07:17:54 PM
Two more sold.
1416  Economy / Goods / Re: [WTS] Silver Bullion for BTC @ Spot (Inventory: 07) - Update: 12/26 on: December 26, 2012, 07:15:47 PM
Bump

Sold two more.
1417  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Freedom is ... on: December 25, 2012, 09:35:29 PM
A law requiring enforcement.

How is it freedom when you are forced to pay somone else to upload laws which ensure your freedom? Doesn't this imply that you're enslaved to the law's enforcers and that you don't naturally have freedom without them?

Then by that reasoning you are only as free as you can defend.  I believe this to be true and that is why people decided to form governments so they weren't ruled by RANDOM THUGS.  This is why a step back away from a form of government is regressive in fact.

I would much rather know my thugs and have checks and balances.   You all complain that they don't work, look at us now, HOW MANY OF YOU actually do something like protest, go to your reps office, write an actually letter (not email), call a TV station?   Very few and it shows, most people care more about themselves and their oh so important social lives.  Doesn't matter.  It is coming to a head soon and we will see where people stand and what they will do.  

1418  Other / Meta / Re: Only the loud survive on: December 24, 2012, 09:35:46 PM
Title: A Eulogy for #Occupy
URL: http://www.wired.com/opinion/2012/12/a-eulogy-for-occupy/all/

This says a lot about bitcointalk.org:
Quote
Because the GA had no way to reject force, over time it fell to force. Proposals won by intimidation; bullies carried the day. What began as a way to let people reform and remake themselves had no mechanism for dealing with them when they didn’t. It had no way to deal with parasites and predators. It became a diseased process, pushing out the weak and quiet it had meant to enfranchise until it finally collapsed when nothing was left but predators trying to rip out each other’s throats.

Let us just hope that BitcoinTalk.org figures out that freedom of association is also a right, and as a private website BitcoinTalk.org has the freedom to not associate with users that an overwhelming majority of site users downvote or ignore.


Did anyone NOT see this coming?

In my mind (and I know many of you will disagree), it kind of proves the point that an elected government that tries to do things for the good of the people is better than no government at all, and letting the bullies rule because no one else is.

Occupy had a government -- a group of people in charge of making decisions on others' and others' resources behalf -- , and it was called GA.  And just like any other government, it quickly became corrupt and ineffective.  The only reason it didn't last any longer is because they had competition (the established governments of the cities) and the competition had guns.

Actually the reason Occupy failed is exactly opposite.   Their initially was no structure or common message and this culture got embedded in the collective so when it was clear that leadership and a core message was needed, there was heavy resistance and sabotage from all side.  I knew it was going to happen after watching the first few interviews from people the media put up and quasi-representatives and they had no message and stated this was a movement without an actually leader.  It was doomed from that moment.  People have so many opinions and perspectives, that doesn't mean each one has the same merit.  Sometimes you just need someone or a body to guide the direction while its own momentum and culture develops.  It is crucial.


The problem with this logic is that OCCUPY DID HAVE A UNIFIED MESSAGE, that they were thru with government and corporate unaccountability, especially in regards to massive real estate fraud and the lack of action in prosecuting those responsible. The idea that OCCUPY didn't have a unified message was a synthetic creation of the media finding as many fractured, cracked, disassociated, and fringe protestors as possible while ignoring the core majority of the group: average working middle class people. They simply ignored those with a sensible message that most Americans might agree with and instead opted to create "entertainment" that sells. As a result of this synthetic pressure, there was a misdirection of resources from grassroots personal association networks towards centralized and "controlled opposition" networks. This happened under the guise of official structure that the media so unceasingly demanded, as if it weren't enough that this many people were pissed off enough to fill the streets, their disenfranchisement should be stamped and notarized.

I watched intently and in the first two weeks there was two gentlemen that were put up as leaders of the movement and in the official forum there was atleast not much disagreement that they are at least coordinating action for Occupy.  In all of their initially interviews they continued to state that there was many messages and Occupy could mean what each person wanted it too.  That sounds like a unified message of nothing.  It was obvious what the correct answer was and if they had any sense, they would of said it over and over again until the issue would not of been dodged.  Instead there was infighting about how this should be the start some new leaderless form of organization and I watched exactly how they went.   

The main people with any system of organization is that in the end, it will need to be run by humans and unless you luck out and actually get someone who actually sticks to his word, has common sense and listens to the people and can balance all these and make the just decision.   It will keep falling into the hands of incompetents. 
1419  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Freedom is ... on: December 24, 2012, 08:16:41 PM
I guess you don't understand how small things summed in aggregate become big things. Have a good day.

And you never understood that in AnCap, all small things will aggregate into big things. Anarchy is not "everyone for themselves," it's "everyone for freely choosing their alliances." If you can't understand the larger implication of this then you can't understand AnCap.
(Yes, even if those alliances form some sort pseudo-totalitarian, taxing authorities that control and tax whoever lives on their territory)

I believe you missed the point. Small things, virtually unnoticed, go unenforced. But in aggregate, create monstrous problems.

Do you mean in an AnCap society, or in a Statist regulatory one? Or both? in which case it's irrelevant anyway.

Count Sparkle - Congratulations!!!!!  I believe you may be our first "Political Sock-puppet" account.   AND you're a AnCap supporter Smiley Applause all the way around.  Gotta love the account created on Dec 19th and then almost immediately starts posting in here, just to support your fringe ideal.   Has too much reality and logic been hitting AnCap too much lately for you to start making up new supporters?
 
1420  Other / Politics & Society / Re: A charge against states or "statism" on: December 24, 2012, 06:44:55 PM
^^^ The above post talks about the importance of an impartial 3rd party to judge criminal and civil infractions.   

What was interesting was AnCap's solution was that people would all volunteer to arbitration but it was made clear that people who didn't "volunteer" to arbitrate then they would likely find few people to trade with.   Interesting concept is "voluntary".  I sure felt like I had a choice. 

 
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