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1401  Economy / Economics / Re: What class of an investor are you? on: April 29, 2023, 09:01:00 AM
The Ponzi scheme Investor
One who invests in ponzi scams continuously is this. This is the person who thinks about get-rich-quick schemes.
Many people are obsessed with Ponzi schemes because of the get-rich-quick deals and the absolute folly of hoping to get rich quick without doing anything.

The researcher investor
The researcher investor wants to conduct thorough investigation before deciding whether to invest.They might even decide against investing altogether since, if you wait to make a decision until you know everything, you might never invest.
In general, everyone who is involved and understands how to invest will definitely rely on research, because before deciding to get involved we have views on investing, at least we know the level of risk and what strategy is suitable for us to use. So don't decide something without basic knowledge to start with, because many mistakes start from an inability to understand the problem.

The Wealthy Trader
This one has had a number of profitable investments over the years. They are knowledgeable, experienced, show expertise.
They also form themselves before becoming experienced traders, by learning some basic things such as knowledge and skills, they don't achieve this like turning their palms, they go through a lot of processes to arrive at the three conclusions you mentioned. To reach this point is very difficult, you are required to have the knowledge, experience and expertise to analyze the market and most importantly you have large capital to get involved in investing, if you rely on a little money I make sure you will never get rich as fast as expected.

Unfortunately most people never pay attention to the process of their journey in trading, so they think success is very easy to get, even though they have fallen and lost many times in trading in crypto, even a lot of money they have spent to start, but the difference is they dare to take risks every decision made.

What class of an investor are you?
Let's say I want to be an investor more than the points you mentioned, because sometimes we are more adapted from the ability to make investments.
1402  Economy / Speculation / Re: Just how bad is the bear demand right now on: April 29, 2023, 07:21:55 AM
Demand for BTC is always high in bear markets.  We have been seeing a bear market for a long time.  Bitcoin has risen from 23k to 30k a few days ago. Many investors have profited from the btc bear market.Not taking the current bear market badly.  Because many big investors are buying and holding Bitcoin.  I don't think anyone is selling bitcoin right now.Bear markets can be bad for altacoins other than Bitcoin.Dumping markets are necessary to achieve success. Good profit cannot be achieved without dumping market.
Not as bad as expected because actually this gives us the opportunity to buy in larger quantities. The panic occurred because they did not understand bitcoin and I am sure that people who have been involved in bitcoin investment for a long time would not be as panicked. Yes, that's right, why should you get involved in altcoins because in a bear market bitcoin also has a relatively cheaper price than usual in a bull market, isn't the main target to be achieved is bitcoin?

If you want to avoid risk, then you should just hold bitcoin for a long time, according to the bitcoin journey cycle and we believe it won't be bad and instead we will see the growth in the assets we have is much bigger than trying to invest in several altcoins, every decision is an ability in minimizing risk and it is important that it is carried out by long-term holders.
1403  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Do you feel bad while paying with BTC? on: April 29, 2023, 06:12:20 AM
Hello everyone!
Recently I was thinking about BTC payments and I believe that the system is moving towards bitcoin adoption and paying with bitcoin. And it's great!
Please explain where you live and only after that will we know how far the payment system using bitcoin will develop where you live. Many countries still refuse to accept payments using bitcoins because there are many issues that must be obeyed.

Unless you buy goods from online sites that accept payments using bitcoins, in some countries this system is also not widespread and there are still quite a number of products that do not accept payments using bitcoins, especially in the country where I live.

But the problem for me is that anytime I think about paying with BTC I feel somehow uncomfortable. I always remember the guy who spent 30+ bitcoins on pizza and now these bitcoins are worth a fortune. Like I don't want to be this guy and pay with an asset that WILL go up in price. It feels like you paying more for the product from a future perspective.
If you feel uncomfortable, then don't use bitcoin as a transaction tool, just exchange it for fiat according to your needs to buy the product you want. For that you don't need to invest all the money you have in bitcoin, because when you need fiat you don't need to sell bitcoin or buy certain products using direct payment with bitcoin.

I prefer to buy things using fiat currency, because using bitcoin is very detrimental when the price goes up and our assets decrease because we have sold some or in other words converted to fiat when buying something.
1404  Economy / Economics / Re: marry rich: marry fiat rich or crypto rich, which is better? on: April 29, 2023, 05:13:50 AM
I can't understand each of the paragraphs described above, but my assumption is that she wants to make the option of marrying a crypto rich person or a rich person from a bank/company account, both are good options but I would be the first option for a couple who already understand crypto even though she not rich from crypto assets yet, but we will be top partner to start trading and we design trading strategy to get high profit chance.
Assume that he chooses the first with the qualifications of a rich person in crypto, does he want to marry and if we do not have equality in wealth, the issue of marriage must be in the balance and if we want to marry a rich person we are at least close to the qualifications of a rich man. How is it possible to marry a rich man/woman when we have nothing to rely on. Marriage also talks about compatibility, love and affection, so that what balances these three makes compatibility more commensurate.

Either choice is good of the two questions asked, being rich with crypto is also the same as being rich with fiat, as long as both can be utilized in a better direction, but I agree with the assumption of starting trading with partners, where we will start designing trades according to the strategy stage and more fun to do with a partner.
1405  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Crypto-related problems in Ireland and The Netherlands! on: April 28, 2023, 11:17:34 AM
Hi guys!

Can you guys comment on the crypto-related problems that you guys are facing currently in Ireland or The Netherlands?
I don't live there so I don't know much about it, but from what I know that every country treats crypto differently. If these two countries allow bitcoin/crypto as a tradable commodity asset for me that's more than enough.

Unless you intend to develop a cryptocurrency business and obviously you have to pay attention to the regulations of the country you want to go to and you also have to pay attention to how that country enforces rules and taxes in this industry.

I am considering moving to one of these two countries because of a job offer!
I do own crypto but I would like to know the problems that Irish and Dutch people face when it comes to crypto.
I tried to browse the internet and try to find out how the two countries treat crypto and it turns out that the Netherlands is one of the countries that are friendly to crypto, thus allowing you to continue to be in trading for the foreseeable future.

To be clearer, you can read the several sources that I have listed, but for Ireland there may be a number of things that you should learn, as the sources that I have attached below?
1. https://getgoldenvisa.com/crypto-friendly-countries
2. https://freemanlaw.com/cryptocurrency/ireland/
1406  Economy / Economics / Re: After Budgeting, How Do I Deal With Unexcepted Expenses? on: April 28, 2023, 10:24:28 AM
Even if I take all of these steps, "unexpected expenses" still throw off my budget for me. I will keep track of all my spending and costs, create a budget, and begin adhering to it, but before you know it, a huge unforeseen expense will ruin everything, leaving me discouraged and not budgeting for a while. This usually occurs when I spend excessively in one category or another and realize that the budget isn't working, at which point I give up.
What kind of unforeseen costs do you mean? if it is related to unnecessary expenses and buying goods not for urgent needs, then everyone should avoid spending like this because there will be unnecessary waste, except for unexpected expenses related to health costs, children's schooling and other things that are more basic to buy. When we fail to make suggestions in financial planning, we will be faced with problems and it will be difficult for us to find solutions to get out of these problems.

Everyone must have discipline in spending/spending money that is not needed, we must have a pattern to balance income and expenses, because if we don't have a concept or pattern, no matter how much money we have it will not be enough. Being thrifty does not mean being stingy, but rather keeping your finances stable in the current uncertain economic conditions.
1407  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What went wrong with bitcoin! Reply on: April 28, 2023, 07:14:28 AM
My reply, sir generally the market is down not only to you but everybody, just exercise patients because even myself can not explains to you why the price is not going up, I guess this is as a result of low demands and supply's chain of distribution of bitcoin that has affect the market but don't panic am sure you will recover your money when the market rise soon, but how soon he ask? I said the market is rising slowly already.
There is no obligation to advise people when they are trying to make an investment, every decision is a risk for the person who has chosen. People will be responsible for the decisions they choose and even if they ask your opinion then direct them to study the level of risk of price fluctuations and most importantly do not advise them to choose other assets than bitcoin.

Becoming part of crypto and bitcoin must go through basic considerations, there is certainty when people decide to invest and this certainty is not related to profit, but methods, strategies and understanding of the basics of investment, so that if something happens in an investment they don't blame other people.
1408  Economy / Speculation / Re: Will April be a red month? on: April 28, 2023, 06:44:06 AM
If a correction in the Bitcoin price can still occur between $30k-$27k, that means that the Bitcoin price may also fall to $25K. Although lately it seems that such a low price is unlikely to occur, but that does not mean that it is unlikely to happen this month. Because Bitcoin holders are still often affected by unfavorable news about Bitcoin, so of course this can still greatly affect the price of Bitcoin in the market.
The price may change from previous predictions, but the closest I've seen is above $30k to the nearest point before it passes the current price, although right now bitcoin price is still stuck around $29k. As for the correction phase, it is unlikely that it will go beyond $25k to close this month and in the middle of next month as the market sentiment is not too negative either.

However anything could still happen due to price fluctuations and my analysis for the month ahead seems a bit greener than before and bitcoin should look more positive. Inflation and interest rate hike rumors are one of the proximate reasons and hope this doesn't affect bitcoin too much in the months ahead.

The middle of the month is over and now there are only three more days left for April before heading into the next month. And for the price as you mentioned, I think it's also quite logical to happen that in the next few days there will be a more significant increase in Bitcoin. Even though it is still very difficult to determine what percentage of the price increase will occur in Bitcoin in the next three days, in fact I am also expecting a bigger price increase in Bitcoin this month.
Now there are only a few days left until May and I'm still optimistic that bitcoin will deliver positive results in the month ahead, but I don't know exactly at what price range and hope it doesn't affect sentiment. Price speculation is still quite erratic and it's hard to predict how long it will last, the closest price could possibly touch $31k-$35k, if there is no sentiment affecting bitcoin and let's see how bitcoin travels in the next month.
1409  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: The best time to buy bitcoin. on: April 27, 2023, 12:08:08 PM
So we can safely say that we will see a true bull run only when the economy will start recovering, but it can't happen until rates will start going down. That's why right now I think that we all should wait for the one single indicator: lowering of the rates. Bitcoin won't go up mediately, but it will mean that economy will start recovering => more money will go to the assets => and bitcoin and bonds will go up.
The only question is when will it happen? Well, if we look at how fast inflation is going down, I can assume that it will probably go down to the expected 3-4% in the Q4 of 2023. So I'm not expecting a bull run until 2024.
If you talk about cycles, just try to calculate which year it will run? A price increase of course will occur after the Halving, but not really sure if it will find a new price, but what has happened is that a halving can bring a new direction to the bitcoin price and we can never refuse to that.

But again, I don't want you all to be bearish on bitcoin or selling it. For most people, DCA is enough to survive this crypto winter, but if you want to invest a lot of money in bitcoin, then I think it's better to wait until the signal we talked about.
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There are different formats and patterns for people investing in bitcoin, DCA and selling are two things that need to be strategically positioned, so that you are in the right conditions when buying or at the right time to sell.

If you intend to wait, the steps that must be taken are to be patient and if you want to invest large amounts now it is still possible to do it, because when the halving appears next year according to predictions for the current year, our profits will multiply many times from our initial capital. Estimates, formulas and research are urgently needed so that there is a level of accuracy that can lead us to the perfection of investments and decisions made based on these three studies.
1410  Economy / Speculation / Re: Will April be a red month? on: April 27, 2023, 11:15:01 AM
After price increased by 10% this month from the opening price of around $28.K, the monthly candle is now down around 4%. Do you think it will now end in the red, if so by how much?
For the past few days the red and green have been alternating with each other, but haven't surpassed the previous highs last month, so the shade price seems to be holding around $27k-$30k going forward.

Personally I think reclaiming $28.5K within a week remains possible, given the lack of bearish pressure to push prices below $27K, but also unlikely to see a particularly green candle above $31K. Price is otherwise between the 20 & 50 Month Moving Averages, currently priced at $32.2K and $24.5K respectively. The former is currently trending downwards in bearish formation, the latter is trending upwards in bearish formation.
Red and green are still influencing bitcoin's journey this month, but today bitcoin is returning to a more subdued line of green. I still don't have a reference for how much the price will cut towards the red or green lines, but actually I see the $30k-$27k figure is still possible and will never go down to $25k.

Still waiting until the middle of this month and it's not clear what price will be yet, but it's very possible $32k will be jumped for this month or next month. To detect the exact price seems difficult because there are some sentiments that might influence going forward, but who knows it will jump over $32k and I'm not really sure about that number for this month to be honest.
1411  Economy / Economics / Re: marry rich: marry fiat rich or crypto rich, which is better? on: April 27, 2023, 10:27:38 AM
In life you have to be rich of something, or nobody want to marry to you, and have build a family with you, you would be foreveralone, and the media would constantly mogging you over and over again for being foreveralone to remain you. And your mum would constantly tell you if you don't get married nobody would take care of you when your aged. Nobody would make a tomb for you, and when you died you would go to afterlife with empty stomach and would suffer straving too in the afterlife. That must be a lot of hurt! ouch!
Gosh, your writing is so messy for me to understand, marriage is not done without preparation and you are required to look after the person you marry and the children from the marriage. The allusion to marriage is much less meaningful when you are married but unable to support your family, marriage is not a matter of satire nor is it about being scolded by your mother.

Marriage is an abundance of responsibility from your parents for you, when you can't do all of that, your marriage will be much more painful with teasing or being scolded by your mother.

So back to question. which is preferred? Married to fiat rich or crypto rich? Although crypto can be created at the comfort of your basement, also the value would plummet quickly to near zero too. Do you think in your life, you would ever see someone marry to crypto rich? btw recent news about ftx being rejected to sponsor a superstar due to it is unregistered tell me marry crypto rich might be a distance dream. Also there would be only 21m bitcoin existed, only 21m couples would be able to married rich. When there is billions of population, a lot of couples may not marry rich, due to unequal distribution, some of the crypto super rich would married hundreds of thousand more.
Your last paragraph is much more confusing for us to digest? My assumption is that you are having problems in your mindset, so any connection is tried by analogy with marriage, fiat, crypto and FTX.

To be honest, we have to enter from which side to explain and what you want to know what the problem really is. I tried to respond to being married to a person who has a lot of crypto rich, but it's hard to give an explanation afterwards with the FTX case.
1412  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Impact of COVID-19 on the Global Economy and the Role of Cryptocurrencies as on: April 27, 2023, 09:44:45 AM
Okay, So let's start with the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on the global economy.    The pandemic has caused unprecedented disruptions to businesses and supply chains around the world, leading to widespread unemployment and economic contraction. In response, governments around the world have implemented massive stimulus packages to support individuals and businesses, which have led to concerns about inflation and currency devaluation.
That has all passed and is no longer relevant for us to discuss because now, after the pandemic is over, people have learned to get out of economic problems. It still makes an impression on people's memories that the Pandemic has destroyed all sectors and many people have lost a decent life in the ongoing Pandemic process.

But we are grateful that we have gone through it all and today we are struggling to recover the economy, both starting from individuals and government programs that support the smooth running of the aftermath of the pandemic.

one potential solution that has been suggested by some is investing in Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies as a hedge against inflation and a store of value in uncertain times like this. What do you think about this idea? Do you believe that cryptocurrencies are a reliable safe haven asset?
I believe bitcoin as a reliable safe haven asset but not fully convinced cryptocurrency can provide much more than bitcoin. The advantages of bitcoin are clearly being able to store value and we have seen that during the Pandemic, so the best choice is to hold bitcoin not cryptocurreny.
1413  Economy / Economics / Re: less risk or big profit? on: April 25, 2023, 07:35:46 AM
In some conversations that I have had with some rich people who are old, they most times always say that they invested in real estate and that was how they made some fortune. Young people understand that investing is key and paramount to securing a better future like these Old rich men did then, But the question now is what exactly to invest in for young people. Is it wise to follow in the steps of the old rich men who had investments in Real Estate, or do they completely now invest in cryptocurrency? The answer is sometimes traced to the one that offers the lowest risk and loss of capital.
Their life used to be different to ours now and back then the crypto space had not emerged like it is now, so they preferred to invest their money in real estate. At present their age is also no longer supportive for investing in crypto, because there are many things they have to learn before making the decision to invest in crypto, although there are some parents who are also involved for now.

If asked wise or not it depends on each person, but if you study further, returns on real estate are much slower for maximum profit returns, while the benefits of investing in bitcoin are maximized under certain conditions according to our ability to analyze when you want to make a purchase, even though you also don't ignore the level of investment risk.

The less riskier from Real Estate and cryptocurrency is Real Estate, but less risk,, less reward. The risk that come with the higher volatility of cryptocurrency makes the profit that can be gotten bigger. Will you go for less risk, or big profit?
I agree more with mentioning bitcoin than crypto, because talking about cryptocurrencies is still very common. Every investment must have a level of risk and for bitcoin you don't need to worry because you can maximize the level of risk generated by price fluctuations, by waiting for the next period of price increase if bitcoin experiences a severe correction in the market.
1414  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: [CHART] Tampilan Bulanan Aktivitas Lokal Board Bahasa Indonesia on: April 25, 2023, 07:03:13 AM
Izin update untuk bulan Maret.

Karena OP masih belum mengupdate aktivitas SFI pada bulan Maret, maka saya berinisiatif untuk mengupdatenya lagi untuk bulan ini. Jika pada bulan Februari rasio merit per posting di SFI adalah 0,618, maka pada bulan Maret rasio merit per posting di SFI sepertinya sudah sangat meningkat menjadi 1,21 merit per posting. Jumlah posting di SFI selama bulan Maret adalah 810, sementara jumlah merit pada bulan Maret adalah 981
Jelas sekali ada peningkatan yang cukup signifikan bagi user yang telah aktif di lokal, meskipun jumlah postingan terbanyak masih di pegang oleh orang yang sama dan terdapat beberapa orang baru di bulan maret. Tetapi ini menjadi sebuah langkah yang bagus untuk pertumbuhan lokal kita dan saya melihat di bulan februari total 67 user yang aktif dilokal dengan jumlah postingan berfariasi dan di bulan maret meningkat sangat cepat menjadi 84 user.

Bagitu juga dengan pendistribusian Merit yang meningkatkan cukup pesat untuk bulan maret sesuai dengan update yang Om kirim, bangga kita ya ada peningkatan besar sejauh ini dan mudah-mudahan akan semakin rame lokal kita kedepannya.
1415  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2022/2023 on: April 24, 2023, 04:02:16 PM
@ancafe Liverpool do have a difficult task, but if Salah steps up then it would make their task much easier however he’s not been in great form this season hence I’m not expecting much from him now. Furthermore Newcastle deserves to finish in top 4, because they have played exceptionally well this season and thus it’ll be really sad if they miss out on a top 4 spot.
Much more rational than the desire of many people who think Liverpool will finish in the top four, currently Newcastle and Manchester United are struggling to secure points and finish in four or three of the top standings until the end of the season. So far the difference in points between Newcastle and Manchester United is the same, but Manchester United still have one match they have not played and still have the opportunity to shift Newcastle's position in rank 3.

While Liverpool are ranked seventh by collecting 50 points, Aston Villa is ranked to Eman with 51 points and Tottenham in fifth place with 53 points, so something that might be achieved by Liverpool is pursuing Aston Villa and Tottenham, but it will be far more difficult to pursue Manchester United and Newcastle points.
1416  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: [LOG] List Rank Up Member Indonesia (Member - Legendary) on: April 24, 2023, 03:28:25 PM
Usaha yang selama ini dilakukan user Lokal telah membuahkan hasil, keberhasilan beberapa user meraih rank lebih tinggi berkat kegigihannya selama ini berkontribusi terhadap forum dengan posting berkualitas. Siapa pun tidak akan menutup mata pada posting berkualitas, MS dan beberapa kontributor akan menghargai usahanya yang telah memberi manfaat untuk user lain.

Seperti yang telah disampaikan agan @reagansimms, Ratimov memiliki peran penting atas keberhasilan agan @MarjorieZimmermanGinger mencapai peringkat Hero Member. Beberapa kontribusi user lain juga tidak boleh dilupakan dan MS lokal juga sangat aktif membelanjakan sMerit terutama pada posting yang ada di board lokal.
Usaha tidak akan pernah sia-sia jika di tekuni dengan sungguh-sungguh, Om @yudi09, Om @MarjorieZimmermanGinger dan yang lainnya telah membuktikan bahwa kesungguhan tidak ada yang sia-sia, bulan ini ada dua user lokal kita telah berhasil mencapai Hero Member dan juga ada beberapa lagi yang telah mencapai Sr Member seperti Om @Ahli38 dan Om @Uruhara meskipun belum cukup aktivitas. @Ratimov begitu peduli dengan orang-orang yang dekat dengan peringkat selanjutnya dan itu telah di buktikan berkali-kali.

Iya betul itu Om dan kontributor lain juga tidak bisa dilupakan seperti Merit Source lokal karena mereka juga cukup sering membantu user lokal kita dengan cara mereka sendiri dan peran mereka juga sangat besar terhadap pertumbuhan warga SFI. Mudah-mudahan akan banyak lagi yang mengikuti jejak mereka untuk kedepan dalam mencapai renk up.

Selamat ya Om @MarjorieZimmermanGinger kerja keras telah tercapai untuk saat ini.
1417  Economy / Speculation / Re: Good time to invest in BTC? on: April 24, 2023, 02:48:40 PM
Short or long term investor, both are expecting for an increase because this is the only way for them to profit but let's be real, there are times where price can go down. It's only about the timing so we should monitor the price actively if we are about to sell so that we can't miss a good selling opportunity and it won't lead us to wait for a long time again. For those who haven't started yet, they better start now as the bull run is still forming.

I don't recommend waiting for that price you wrote because they are too low already from what the performance of BTC is showing lately. Correction means a slight decline. If they believe on you about a correction, then they can wait for a while.
And if we are more honest, it will hope that Bitcoin will go more down so that we can make a maximum purchase. Rising and down prices is something that is common in Bitcoin and that we cannot avoid, for people who have not started, it is now the right time to try to invest some purchases and most importantly adjusted to the capital capabilities that are owned.

It is not a suggestion but a price prediction if Bitcoin again experiences correction for the next few months and the prediction is also not necessarily true. Meaning that it needs a separate analysis for anyone who wants to be involved and I see the correction process will continue before Bitcoin reaches ATH next year front.

Investment strategies may vary, but sometimes the market doesn't give them the opportunity to buy in the area lower than last year's low ($15k) because bitcoin's fundamentals are too positive. The price recovery trend is expected to quash hopes of another big dump this year, but while they doubt prices, then I think they should remember about DCA.

Most people expect the price to improve further ahead of the 2024 halving, so I don't think it will ever go below $15k again. Even if there is no certainty, the market should be more bullish ahead of the halving. Coming back to my point, if they doubt price can go any lower then do DCA.
That's what and everyone must have its own strategy in investing in Bitcoin and until now I still believe that DCA patterns are one of the good strategies for people who have small capital. Personally I also did not see the price of Bitcoin will be close to the price of $ 15K for the future correction phase, because the closest is always above $ 25k on its way for the past two months.

I mention the price of $ 15K- $ 16K is just the desire of some people who have not yet invested, because it must be targeting low prices for initial purchases. My assumption is in accordance with experience when I start taking an investment opportunity and of course everyone has its own way of carrying out investment in Bitcoin.
1418  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Selamat Hari Raya Idul Fitri 1444 Hijriah on: April 23, 2023, 01:27:36 PM
عيد الفطر السعيد آسف على الولادة والداخلية

Selamat hari raya Idul Fitri 1444 H buat teman dan sahabat semuanya di lokal SFI, meski tangan tidak mampu berjabat dan meskipun wajah tidak saling bertatap, tetapi izinkan saya untuk meminta maaf setulusnya atas kesalahan yang pernah saya buat baik secara sengaja mapun tidak dalam menanggapi beberapa postingan teman-teman semuanya.

Kasih sayang dan ampunan akan tercurahkan dalam momentum lebaran kali ini dan kita akan saling bermaaf-maafan atas tutur kata yang mungkin menyinggung perasaan antara satu dengan lainnya, akhirnya saya ingin mengatakan bahwa semua dari kita bersaudara dalam bingkai  Kesatuan Negara Republik Indonesia yang kita cintai. Salam juga buat keluarga teman-teman semuanya, semoga kita diberikan limpahan Rahmat dan kasih sayang dari Allah Yang Maha Kuasa.
1419  Economy / Economics / Re: G20 Meet - Always consider Crypto as problem to the monetary world. New update on: April 23, 2023, 10:12:52 AM
Policies in the field of economics and world political issues are very much discussed at the G20, who knows what they will discuss for interglobal cooperation. In essence, they are trying to push for regulation collectively for all participating countries, even though this issue has long been discussed outside the G20 itself. But what confuses us a bit is that some countries have different views on crypto in general, in my country crypto is legal as a commodity asset traded on an exchange which is supervised by the government.

But since the payment option using crypto in general is still being debated and not allowed, then the policies they take will be a bit stricter in this area, maybe on the other hand in other countries there are different approaches to crypto and prohibitions like that, so have a Global Framework for crypto and having collective rules and regulations is something that is hard to achieve globally. I guess so?
1420  Local / Ekonomi, Politik, dan Budaya / Re: [DISKUSI] Hukum Zakat Bitcoin on: April 23, 2023, 06:14:24 AM
Itu memang harus di tanyakan pada pemuka agama di daerah masing-masing, agar tidak terdapat kesalahan dalam keyakinan untuk zakat dan kembali lagi bagaimana seseorang melihat persoalan ini. Jadi sebelum ada ketentuan dari MUI mau bayar atau tidak tergantung orangnya menurut saya.

Ada penjelasan lengkap yang dapat anda baca disini: ZAKAT PENGHASILAN, BERIKUT NISAB DAN KADARNYA
Untuk personal Nisab dan Kadarnya saya kira sudah jelas dan tidak ada perdebatan karena sudah diatur, masalahnya untuk zakat khusus mengenai bitcoin yang belum ada regulasi dan ketentuan dari pemerintah kita atau kata lain dari MUI, sehingga masih menimbulkan spekulasi apakah wajib bayar atau tidak?

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Fatwa Majelis Ulama Indonesia (MUI) menjelaskan, penghasilan yang dimaksud ialah setiap pendapatan seperti gaji, honorarium, upah, jasa, dan lain-lainnya yang diperoleh dengan cara halal, baik rutin seperti pejabat negara, pegawai, karyawan, maupun tidak rutin seperti dokter, pengacara, konsultan, dan sejenisnya, serta pendapatan yang diperoleh dari pekerjaan bebas lainnya.
Jika merujuk pada pendapat MUI diatas mungkin bagi kita yang memiliki bitcoin masuk dalam katagori yang disebutkan "Pekerjaan Bebas Lainnya". Tetapi secara aturan yang jelas MUI belum menyepakati secara final menyangkut zakat di bitcoin, jadi tergantung dari kita mau membayar boleh dan jika di fikir belum wajib juga terserah orangnya berdasarkan dalil-dalil yang bisa di pakai.
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