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1401  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Some thoughts on DECENT ICO so far.. on: September 17, 2016, 12:15:03 PM
Hi all


first of all - I invested a small amount in the project and wanted to share some thoughts/concerns I have:

1. the newsletter did not reach all participants on time regarding the ICO, and looking at the bitcoins invested, the first few hours was HEAVY invested - i think the first one was 200BC and other similar sums
I read the glitches part - sounds more like an excuses. What will be when the real technical challenges will take place? Handling newsletter and simple API/website with 2FA is not the most complicated thing out there

2. The team - the founders are not technical guys, meaning a lot of devs will need to be hired and paid. Not sure what the founders will do in the next few months. Who is gonna be paid from ICO money and how much?
Not to offend, but going over the team info from the website, it sounded a bit forced: "...helping to organize events...", "supporting the community"... nothing actual that I could see
Besides Marián Hvizdoš few words I couldn't see much more. Also - he says it CAN become this and that, he is the escrow of the project... donno, kinda fishy to me

3. Some technical impressions so far:
    a. ICO portal (after login) - looks clumsy to say the least.

    b. No google authentication, which is MUST for every ICO and other platform that respect itself ( I participated in few ICOs - all had google auth).
        This one time code-to-email looong line looks bad, the menu to chose from (only 1 option) looks almost amateur

    c. Need to login again if u want to see updated info.. no refresh??

    d. Things just DONT work: Contact us form in the official website generates error in white letters over gray background - really hard to read it.
        Where are the email addresses?? support@decent... Why just a web form? what happens if it doesn't work? what are the alternative ways to contact you exactly?
        Do you really expect us to visit you there? Who is there anyway??


 I know it is the beginning of the ICO, BUT it does't matter - coding is coding and the above points show me little dev skills or "let's publish it fast, doesn't matter how it looks like"


4. Coins distribution - definitely not my cup of tea - why ppl get less if they join during the ICO? It is acceptable not to get any bonus, but the fixed price should be the same - total cons issued/total funds
And no, cutting the bonus after X weeks is NOT the same as giving different price per token - 10% less every week??

5. Seems like the team is flying around the globe lately - from far east to USA, Bahamas?!!? Why Bahamas - is it a strategic place to be during the first week of your ICO?
New offices in Shanghai.. So, if your center is located in the far east - what r u doing in the Bahamas? Who is funding the flights/hotels/drinks? Is it the ICO money perhaps?

have some more, but that is a good start

Waiting for your thoughts
Hi, thank you for your thoughts.

1. We are using Mailchimp as a newsletter provider.
2. Dunno where you got this information. Matej Michalko studied Computer Science at EPFL in Switzerland and I studied mathematics and physics. The ICO money are not being used right now. Marian Hvizdos isn't escrow on the project he just endorsed the project because he believes in it.
3. As said before and cleared in the latest announcement regarding the ICO software, we used platform from Stratis and cooperated directly with Chris on it.
4. This price decrease is there to reward the earliest supporters.
5. DECENT is looking to become global project therefore we need to ensure the community is built up around the globe. This is currently payed from our own resources. You can see that ICO funds are still in the wallet https://blockchain.info/address/33WDB3nsVHH5qafCAriPb8Jmb1e3ptsY4h

Hope my answers satisfied you.


HI again

thanks for the reply, I will try to respond:
1. You are using external provider for a service that you obligated to provide to your customers - it is within DECENT scope or responsibility. We did not sign up to that external service, nor did we chose which one to use as your backbone service. From your answer it sounds like it is not your fault/responsibility.
Why didn't you choose your service provider more carefully. After all, send email is not a complicated task, and it is one of the first relationship between you and the potential investors.
Same goes for section 3 - eventually YOUR platform look bad, non professional and "glitchy" - why do we care whom platform it is in the background?
Will we get the same answers for the real platform?
2 - Does it mean that you two are going to work on the code? What experience you have in blockchain development?

4 - price.. The 50% bonus on the first day is just to pump the investments so other can join the ride. You reward early supporters by providing EXTRA bonus to their investments (15-5%) and not by cutting the amount of tokens per BC by 10% every week. Sorry, but I just don't buy that - it jsut creates a bubble in the first 24 hours. Other ICO projects that are maybe more confident do not give this 50% pump bonus

5 - ICO funds are still held, but what will be after ICO finishes? Are you going to have salaries from the ICO money? If so, for what work? What about company expences? You know that are hundret legit ways to get personal expenses back.
Still not clear why the Bahamas? Is it such a strategic place for DECENT platform?

What about all the things that don't work, such as 'contact us' form?

Sorry, it just doesn't see so good from here - what will be when the really hard technical challenges will start to pile up?
1402  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Some thoughts on DECENT ICO so far.. on: September 16, 2016, 01:09:57 PM
Hi all


first of all - I invested a small amount in the project and wanted to share some thoughts/concerns I have:

1. the newsletter did not reach all participants on time regarding the ICO, and looking at the bitcoins invested, the first few hours was HEAVY invested - i think the first one was 200BC and other similar sums
I read the glitches part - sounds more like an excuses. What will be when the real technical challenges will take place? Handling newsletter and simple API/website with 2FA is not the most complicated thing out there

2. The team - the founders are not technical guys, meaning a lot of devs will need to be hired and paid. Not sure what the founders will do in the next few months. Who is gonna be paid from ICO money and how much?
Not to offend, but going over the team info from the website, it sounded a bit forced: "...helping to organize events...", "supporting the community"... nothing actual that I could see
Besides Marián Hvizdoš few words I couldn't see much more. Also - he says it CAN become this and that, he is the escrow of the project... donno, kinda fishy to me

3. Some technical impressions so far:
    a. ICO portal (after login) - looks clumsy to say the least.

    b. No google authentication, which is MUST for every ICO and other platform that respect itself ( I participated in few ICOs - all had google auth).
        This one time code-to-email looong line looks bad, the menu to chose from (only 1 option) looks almost amateur

    c. Need to login again if u want to see updated info.. no refresh??

    d. Things just DONT work: Contact us form in the official website generates error in white letters over gray background - really hard to read it.
        Where are the email addresses?? support@decent... Why just a web form? what happens if it doesn't work? what are the alternative ways to contact you exactly?
        Do you really expect us to visit you there? Who is there anyway??


 I know it is the beginning of the ICO, BUT it does't matter - coding is coding and the above points show me little dev skills or "let's publish it fast, doesn't matter how it looks like"


4. Coins distribution - definitely not my cup of tea - why ppl get less if they join during the ICO? It is acceptable not to get any bonus, but the fixed price should be the same - total cons issued/total funds
And no, cutting the bonus after X weeks is NOT the same as giving different price per token - 10% less every week??

5. Seems like the team is flying around the globe lately - from far east to USA, Bahamas?!!? Why Bahamas - is it a strategic place to be during the first week of your ICO?
New offices in Shanghai.. So, if your center is located in the far east - what r u doing in the Bahamas? Who is funding the flights/hotels/drinks? Is it the ICO money perhaps?

have some more, but that is a good start

Waiting for your thoughts
1403  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform ❘|❘ ICO OPEN on: September 15, 2016, 11:51:25 AM
I can't wait, iconomi will be likely listed on polo. I also invest 10 btc in this project. I am a whale?

why would you be? Just make the basic math - your investment/total funds collected*100 will give you the percentage of shares you have
1404  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Some thoughts on the ICO so far.. on: September 15, 2016, 11:18:32 AM
And remove this from announcements

how do I move it to the DECENT thread?
1405  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Some thoughts on DECENT ICO so far.. on: September 15, 2016, 09:37:12 AM
Hi all


first of all - I invested a small amount in the project and wanted to share some thoughts/concerns I have:

1. the newsletter did not reach all participants on time regarding the ICO, and looking at the bitcoins invested, the first few hours was HEAVY invested - i think the first one was 200BC and other similar sums
I read the glitches part - sounds more like an excuses. What will be when the real technical challenges will take place? Handling newsletter and simple API/website with 2FA is not the most complicated thing out there

2. The team - the founders are not technical guys, meaning a lot of devs will need to be hired and paid. Not sure what the founders will do in the next few months. Who is gonna be paid from ICO money and how much?
Not to offend, but going over the team info from the website, it sounded a bit forced: "...helping to organize events...", "supporting the community"... nothing actual that I could see
Besides Marián Hvizdoš few words I couldn't see much more. Also - he says it CAN become this and that, he is the escrow of the project... donno, kinda fishy to me

3. Some technical impressions so far:
    a. ICO portal (after login) - looks clumsy to say the least.

    b. No google authentication, which is MUST for every ICO and other platform that respect itself ( I participated in few ICOs - all had google auth).
        This one time code-to-email looong line looks bad, the menu to chose from (only 1 option) looks almost amateur

    c. Need to login again if u want to see updated info.. no refresh??

    d. Things just DONT work: Contact us form in the official website generates error in white letters over gray background - really hard to read it.
        Where are the email addresses?? support@decent... Why just a web form? what happens if it doesn't work? what are the alternative ways to contact you exactly?
        Do you really expect us to visit you there? Who is there anyway??


 I know it is the beginning of the ICO, BUT it does't matter - coding is coding and the above points show me little dev skills or "let's publish it fast, doesn't matter how it looks like"


4. Coins distribution - definitely not my cup of tea - why ppl get less if they join during the ICO? It is acceptable not to get any bonus, but the fixed price should be the same - total cons issued/total funds
And no, cutting the bonus after X weeks is NOT the same as giving different price per token - 10% less every week??

5. Seems like the team is flying around the globe lately - from far east to USA, Bahamas?!!? Why Bahamas - is it a strategic place to be during the first week of your ICO?
New offices in Shanghai.. So, if your center is located in the far east - what r u doing in the Bahamas? Who is funding the flights/hotels/drinks? Is it the ICO money perhaps?

have some more, but that is a good start

Waiting for your thoughts
1406  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform ❘|❘ 5% bonus now on: September 15, 2016, 05:39:02 AM
ICONOMI,

Someone asked this question on Reddit.  Could you provide an answer to this?
 
Quote
I am not based in the US, but wouldn't it be necessary for US citizens to be accredited investors in order to be allowed to invest in this project? ICN is clearly not an app token, it has very obvious characteristics of a security, even promising a dividend. Isn't this what makes listing or offering to accredited investors only necessary in the States?

https://www.reddit.com/r/icocrypto/comments/4zuk5h/iconomi_icn/d7a41in

ICONOMI,

I came across another related comment to the above.  It's in reference to the Golem token sale, but same rules would apply to any ICO.

Quote
References: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEC_v._W._J._Howey_Co http://apps.americanbar.org/buslaw/blt/2005-05-06/forcier.shtml

The Howie Test:

Under the Howey Test, an interest will be classified as a security only if the following three elements are present:

*an investment of money has been made,
*in a common enterprise and
*the investor has the expectation of profits, which profits are expected to arise solely, or substantially, from the efforts of the promoter or third party.

So here is what is going on. You can insist all night and all day that your "Tokens" are "just crypto, man, it's unregulated dude" until you are blue in the face.

Problem is, according to the Howie Test, if it looks like a duck walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it is a security, must be registered with the securities and exchange commission, must be sold only to accredited investors worth more than $1 million excluding the value of their home and with 5 years of trailing income of $200,000 per year, and you can only promote the security (like you are doing here) if you are a Registered Rep for a bona fide Registered Broker Dealer.

Here's where your token becomes a security "It is important to note that GNT will NOT be used for payments within the Golem network: Its only role is to grant the owner a share in the Golem network’s fee revenue."

Oooffff! You SAY it's a token. But according to the Howie test, people have to pay in ETH (which has a dollar value), the token carries no votes and no say in the management (so 2 and 3, a third party will do the work) and you are selling it with the expectation that a profit will be made by the "investor" from the fees and distributed to token holders.

No voting rights + dividends = Preferred Share!

If the SEC notices, or if you piss off anyone in the slightest, particularly because you are raising well over a million dollars---you could go to jail just for this post!

Everyone involved in the management (and your little investing club) is also selling securities, unregistered, without a licence! They need to all STFU until the lawyer tells you how right I am.

Crypto exchanges wont be able to sell or carry this, because it is a preferred share, and while they are Fincen licenced, they are not SEC registered broker dealers! It would have to be traded on a stock exchange, and stock exchanges don't do crypto, so you'll have to create paper!

You guys really, really need to get someone from the business faculty (this is a school project right?) to corroberate everything I have told you, and call a securities lawyer for advice before selling this like it was fucking Dogecoin.

Dogecoin didn't pay dividends and no promises of profits were made---and they didn't use financial terms like "ICO".

I STRONGLY suggest you remove this post and any others where your non-licenced ass has been peddling and promoting unregistered securities to unsophisticated investors. This post is enough to put you in jail.

If you read ETH's ICO info, you'll note that they are very, very careful not to promise any profit at all.

This is where you are fucking up. Call a lawyer.

Your welcome. (I am a former LICENCED Stock Broker).

https://www.reddit.com/r/Ethinvestorsgroup/comments/4wu46p/golem_token_sale/d6a7lat

Can your legal team respond to this and guarantee you're not putting yourselves, investors, and the ICONOMI platform at risk of litigation?

We'll check and address this. Not now. Could also be with a blog post.

you try to sound professional, but you somehow sound desperate - you shout too loud to be taken serious. AND if you write about something, at least have the name spelled correctly (as a native american speaker  Smiley - poor Howie is actually Howey

Very interested to hear more discussion on this, bumping this so it doesn't get buried in the bounty-spam spam
1407  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform ❘|❘ 5% bonus now on: September 12, 2016, 12:20:32 PM
Bought for 2 BTC.

Interesting what will happen on the first week with the share price...

I have 2 scenarios for you and i am right
1) price go up
2) price go down
3th option - price remains stable
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