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1461  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Mr. Lukashenko on: December 22, 2014, 04:35:11 PM
Belarus is a member of Union State, it provides common citizenship, extended military and civil cooperation with RF. In other words, these are russian military bases... Thus, any such attempt of "democratic revolution" could result with big failure like referendum on accession to RF, and Lukashenko will remain in power as governor of newly formed federal district.

Actually, Lukashenko suggested accession of Belorus to RF sometime in the beginning of 2000s, but the idea was rejected by Putin (so much for wanting to rebuild USSR at all cost Tongue). Russia was in economic shambles after Yeltsin's US-dictated neo-liberal reign, so Belorussians with their better economy and standards would not have been happy joining Russia, and it could have created unrest, that Russia definitely did not need.

By the way, did anyone read Sir Terry Prattchett's Discworld series? There are some political similarities between Lukashenko and Lord Vetinari.  Wink
1462  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Sanction against Russia for West-choreographed conflict in Ukraine on: December 22, 2014, 01:21:15 PM
Sanctions is good. It will make russian people think.

No it will make Putin expand his aggression to maintain power  Smiley

So, according to you, this is the desired outcome for the USA that started those sanctions after they turned Ukraine into a basket case? Truly wise politicians are sitting in Washington...  Roll Eyes




That's what Paul Craig Roberts and other clear-thinking economists in US and EU had been saying all along. Pity that EU' politicians are, as a Russian saying goes, "sawing over the branch that they are sitting on".

The conclusion of that article is the best (in bold):

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Most Western politicians condemn Putin because he pursues his nation’s interests and doesn’t do what our governments want. While events in Ukraine and Crimea are often presented as black and white, the reality is actually grey – with significant wrongdoing on both sides. Most well-informed people know this, wherever they’re from, even if, in the current climate, they don’t have the guts to say it.

We Westerners can cheer on Russia’s economic problems. We can hope for a full-on currency collapse and rub our hands with glee. If that happens, though, Russia’s next leader could make Putin seem like a softie. We could also provoke a repeat of the systemic global meltdown of 2008 – in which the big Western economies would suffer more than most.
1463  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Mr. Lukashenko on: December 22, 2014, 12:17:36 PM
"20 years" does not necessarily equals to a "dictator". You are looking at it from the pseudo-democratic viewpoint. It can also mean "a ruler", or "a monarch". It all depends on the standards. Belarus is the only state of the former USSR and USSR satellites that retained its industry and agriculture after USSR got broken down. Living standards are high - I know one family from Lithuania, who moved to Belarus because housing and job conditions are better there.
1464  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: December 21, 2014, 08:57:40 PM

You know there are a lot of people who are tired of those damned Belgians. Belgians stopped the South Stream project by sabotaging it. Currently the Belgians are driving German economy to ruin. This damned Belgian Angela Merkel is not hearing her own business circles in Germany. Oh, and Belgian Francois Hollande, despite the French best interests, killed its ship-building industry. Yes, Belgians are evil. Many Europeans are spreading the blame all over Brussels now.

Oh, and show me countries that are newly rushing to join NATO, where either a colour revolution or a substantial buying off of the politicians by US was not needed first.

Your statement is exactly the reason why you should differentiate between Russia and Soviet Union. Under Soviet Union, Russia was an occupied country, itself a victim. During coup d'etat of 1917 Russia was essentially hijacked, anyone who resisted killed off (much like today in Ukraine - anyone against forced Westernasation now falls victim of lustration), and the state and its structure destroyed. Russia (RSFSR) had the least say in running of USSR, and its territories were treated as private property of the USSR leaders, to be given away at a whim (Novorossia, South Ossetia, Crimea). If USSR's capital were in Kiev, would you be blaming Ukrainians, and if in Tbilisi, would Georgians be the bad guys today?

.... Here, in bold, sorry but you just said enormous bullshits:
 you moralized "dont blame people for their government action" but:
                    -You blamed Belgians for their government action
                    -Belgians government never did what you say:
                       1. Obviously because of the 2 government crisis (2007-2008, 2010-2011) and Belgium is a tiny country in Europe (Belgium:11,116,243 inhabitants, Europe Union:507,416,607),
                       2. googling too quickly, you saw Brussels and you stated "damn Belgian" whereas you should read "Brussels" which refers to, by metonymy, the European institutions.
                       3. François Hollande is French.

Don't tell me there is another person, who can't read and cannot understand analogies?!  Shocked

Again, for the uneducated in reading: I presented Belgians in the context of EU in comparison to Russians in the context of USSR - just because the HQ of one organisation is in Brussels and of the other was in Moscow. My point in saying that François Hollande is Belgian: François Hollande is as Belgian as Stalin was Russian.

Learn to read sarcasm.



Alexandr Gelyevich Dugin (Russian: Алекса́ндр Ге́льевич Ду́гин, Moscow, 7th January 1962) is a Russian philosopher and political scientist known for his fascist views.
Maybe it depends on point of view, but Eurasianism != Fascism.

This guy found a convenient toy to troll with - he posted the same thing in the other thread on sanctions...



The 10th humanitarian aid column from Russia, consisting of 150 trucks, delivered its cargo to Lugansk and Donetsk today. 50 tonnes were New Year presents, prepared by children from all over Russian Federation to the children of Donbass.
1465  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Sanction against Russia for West-choreographed conflict in Ukraine on: December 21, 2014, 07:57:19 PM

Alexandr Gelyevich Dugin (Russian: Алекса́ндр Ге́льевич Ду́гин, Moscow, 7th January 1962) is a Russian philosopher and political scientist known for his fascist views.[3][4][5][6][7] He has two PhDs (Sociology and Philosophy) from NGMA University in Rostov Oblast and is known for his Fourth Political Theory and the Theory of the Multipolar World. He has close ties with the Kremlin and the Russian military,[8] serving as an advisor to State Duma speaker (and key member of the ruling United Russia party) Sergei Naryshkin.[9]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Dugin

The Foundations of Geopolitics: The Geopolitical Future of Russia is a geopolitical book by Alexander Dugin. The book has had a large influence within the Russian military, police, and statist foreign policy elites[1] and is used as a textbook in the General Staff Academy of Russian military.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics


[1] as said by someone John B. Dunlop, whoever he is. I couldn't find any other references to show his supposed influence.

And his political view that "Russian political elite is heterogeneous and riddled with spy networks of Western countries that are sabotaging the positive initiatives of top management. Dugin believes his main opponents are pro-Western liberals and radical nationalists, who promote xenophobia, accusing both in playing into the hands of Russia's competitors." Which I don't see as not to be too far from truth.

In some views Dugin does go too far...

You make it sound as if he is the only and the most influential advisor. There are a wide spectrum of advisors in the Russian government, including the neo-liberals. It's a matter of getting all the opinions before reaching a decision, rather than only the ones that you'd like to hear...

And a note about nationalism. It is discussed in Russia. Nationalism is good, when it unites a nation without affecting others. French have a strong national pride, so do the British, so do the Russians. It is when nationalism turns militant and targets other nationalities (as is the case in Ukraine), when it becomes dangerous and detrimental for the country itself.
1466  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Sanction against Russia for West-choreographed conflict in Ukraine on: December 21, 2014, 01:11:13 PM
Paul Craig Roberts – Russia To Unleash Ultimate Black Swan Against The West
http://kingworldnews.com/paul-craig-roberts-russia-unleash-ultimate-black-swan-west/

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Today Dr. Paul Craig Roberts warned King World News that the Russians are going to unleash what he called the "ultimate black swan" against the West.  Dr. Roberts also discussed how a terrifying series of events would then bring the Western financial system to it knees as the banking system completely collapses.

Dr. Roberts:  “I was listening to the news today and there were all these self-righteous people just happy as all get out that they had finally stomped Russia into the ground and ‘Russia is now finished,’ and Russia was broken and ‘would soon be an American vassal state where it belongs.'  And I was listening to this rot and got to thinking, ‘How can people be so utterly stupid?’  But they are, and they are just as stupid in Washington.

And in the meantime, as part of this process, Eric, we may see Russia unleash black swans that bring down the Western house of cards….
1467  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Cuba US relations on: December 21, 2014, 01:01:54 PM
Words of wisdom from Paul Craig Roberts:

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/12/19/regime-change-cuba-paul-craig-roberts/

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Letter from a reader:

I wish I could visit Cuba while it’s still Cuba, even though poor they have better medical care than the US. The first thing that will happen when the US starts doing business, the old cars will disappear. The streets will be one big traffic jam and the hand pulled carts gone. The Cuban food will be taken over by Burger King, Pizza Hut and Hard Rock Café. Saw it happen in Cancun within three years.

...

Before the American left and the Cuban government find happiness in the normalization, they should consider that with normalization comes American money and a US Embassy. The American money will take over the Cuban economy. The embassy will be a home for CIA operatives to subvert the Cuban government. The embassy will provide a base from which the US can establish NGOs whose gullible members can be called to street protest at the right time, as in Kiev, and the embassy will make it possible for Washington to groom a new set of political leaders.

In short, normalization of relations means regime change in Cuba. Soon Cuba will be another of Washington’s vassal states.
...
1468  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: December 21, 2014, 12:46:07 PM
TIME TO LAUGH Cheesy

Nobody respects the bankrupt Western powers anymore. And this came from the part where the bankrupt EU was hoping where their gas would pass  Cheesy

I told you the endgame is at hand

Erdogan tells EU to 'mind own business'  Cheesy Cheesy
www.dawn.com/news/1151034
Cheesy

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The European Union led the criticism with EU foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini and Enlargement Commissioner Johannes Hahn condemning the raids as “incompatible with the freedom of media”.

Yep, because kicking an Italian journalist out of Estonia, or torturing Russian journalists in Ukraine clearly represents EU valuing the freedom of press. Erdogan is right to telling EU off.



Apropos Russian journalists. Russian Investigation Committee opened a criminal investigation against head of Ukrainian SBU, Nalivajchenko, accusing him of torture and pressuring of Russian journalists as well as torture of Ukrainian people. Under the international anti-torture agreement Russia (as any other country that have ratified such agreement) MUST investigate cases of torture in other countries, if said countries fail to presecute torture themselves.
1469  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Empire -- RSFSR under USSR -- Russian Federation on: December 21, 2014, 12:38:26 PM
Why russian keep invade other country?
I don't understand.
At present, invade other country can't bring any to their own people.

Invade what country? Ukraine? Because Psaki told you there is a YouTube video of it, while avoiding giving any hard evidence?
Believe me, if Russia invaded anyone, you'd know by the hysterical howling in the West and a lot of satellite and ground imagery coming directly from CIA (and not from YouTube).
And what did you mean by that last sentence? It does not make sense.
1470  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. on: December 21, 2014, 12:25:31 PM

The reasons why these ratings should be taken with a healthy dose of scepticism:
Belarus has better industry and infrastructure than Russia - Belarus avoided the oligarch plunder of the land that plagued Russia during the Wild 90's.
Russia has much less debt and larger gold reserve than USA. While state corruption is approximately the same (in USA it is simply legalised)
Smiley

EDIT: Another example: Norway. Rated for some reason as AAA. Norwegian krone has been following the same trajectory as rouble, peaking at the same time. Tabloid VG had a front-page article, explaining how the new high rates will hit common Norwegians. Norway has no gold reserve - everything was sold off in 2006:

"Hereditary gold that disappeared" (in Norwegian)
http://21917.vgb.no/2007/11/07/arvegullet-som-forsvant/

Yesterday, prime minister tried to calm everyone, saying that Norwegian economy is doing fine, yet even MSM journalists from Aftenposten sounded doubtful, when commenting her speech.

1471  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Child kidnapping by the Norwegian State on: December 20, 2014, 11:19:13 PM
Nemo1024 must be one of those paid russian trolls  Smiley How much they pay you?  Smiley Can I join ?

Should I treat it as a compliment that you decided to start a personal defamation attack on me? To answer your question, no one's paying, but you can join, for free. What you need to qualify is pure heart, intolerance of unfairness, and a certain optimism that was characteristic of Don Quixot.
1472  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Cuba US relations on: December 20, 2014, 11:00:52 PM
Turkey's prime minister Ahmet Davutoglu's ancestors is from Crimean Tatars. But this political party doesn't care about Turkic people.
Turkey & Russia shouldn't be ally. Because Russians tortured, deported many Turkic people from their homes. And now "Putin conquered a Turkic State"...

Turkey's leaning to Russia is just for money but nothing...

That may be so. However if you look far enough beck into history, all countries/nations had some kind of conflict with each other. The question is if you can put those aside and build better relations or if you want to be stuck in the past strife.

So, a short history tour (sorry for the off-topic):
Before Tatars came to Crimea, they were a part of the Tatar-Mongol horde that occupied Russians for more than 300 years. Before Tatars, Crimea was a home to many nations, including Etruscans, whom Russians consider as part of their predecessors.

This horde is remembered by Russians still, yet most manage to put it aside for building of better future, as do the Mongols. After Russia liberated itself from the occupations, Tatars were not completely driven off, but rather lived within Russia. Presently you have autonomous republic of Tatarstan in RF. Crimean Tatars now have a better status in Crimea than during the last 20 years under Ukraine, Tatar language having become an official language there. The deportation of Tatars from Crimea didn't happen on the whim of Russians. If you want to bear a grudge I can address you to Georgia. In fact, there are many mixed Russian/Tatar marriages in Crimea and only 1% of troublemakers make the most noise there on ethnic grounds.
1473  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Crimea on: December 20, 2014, 10:46:00 PM
About Scythian gold that Holland is withholding:

Argumenty i Fakty published an answer by the director of Tauridia Museum in Crimea, that Holland still refuses to return the exhibits they borrowed until the 31st of August. Moreover, the items were transferred by the Dutch from the museums, where they were on display under seals to some other locations, without involving the Crimean museums' personal, which is a breach of contract. In connection with this, museums filed a separate lawsuit to a Dutch court.
1474  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: December 20, 2014, 10:22:15 PM
City of Gorlovka was shelled by the Ukrainian punishers today after many days of relative quiet. A 9-year-old girl was killed as the result of a mortar shell explosion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dVLGpSFTwrQ



Each day of the military terroristic operation costs Kiev 6 million dollars (according to Poroshenko), yet the spending on the massacre of the Ukrainian population will be increased (from where?)



Head of DNR ended up on Obama's personal "hate list" - list of sanctions, yet he invites Obama to visit DNR and to see everything for himself. Smiley



Closing of Zaporozje airport for civilian traffic is prolonged until 24th. Seems like Uncle Sam is sending more Christmas-tanks and jingle-grenades to Ukrainian punishers to distribute to the children of Donbass.
1475  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is the West gearing up to invade Russia once again? on: December 20, 2014, 06:35:03 PM

Nemo1024, why there's no russian products in the market?  Smiley I can't name anything I use that is made or designed in russia

Just off the top of my head...

Wi-Fi was developed by Russian scientists. Wink

One product that I find very handy, comes from Soeks (Contemporary Ecological System):
http://www.soeks.ru/
http://www.soeks.co.uk

You can find Russian food products, especially sweets, in EU supermarkets (e.g. in Edeka)

If you are a C# coder, you might be using ReSharper from JetBrains...
1476  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Cuba US relations on: December 20, 2014, 12:50:29 PM
A good analysis from someone, who once was an interpreter for Castro. Smiley

https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2014/12/18/weakness-or-cunning-why-us-decided-to-end-50-year-standoff-with-cuba-now/

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Just look at this brilliant logic! While Obama admits that sanctions didn’t work on Cuba, doing more harm than good, at the same time, miraculously, these same sanctions will somehow work on Russia!

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Now that Turkey is leaning towards Russia and China, US is attempting to rebalance the situation by tempting Cuba to join the US sphere of influence. Wouldn’t that be ironic? I personally don’t think it will go anywhere. I know Cubans; I also know Russians, Venezuelans and Chinese. I know Americans too – perhaps even better.

...

My assessment: I think US started using smarter advisors compared to those they used for the Kiev coup and Ukraine. But not smart enough.

It will be great if embargo is lifted and Cuba can start breathing easier! That said, Cubans, I hope you don’t forget who you are and I hope you remember you aren’t for sale!
1477  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Child kidnapping by the Norwegian State on: December 20, 2014, 12:05:33 PM
I recently found a article accompanied by a video that showed how a psychologist pressured a six years old girl to confirm that she had been sexually abused. The result was that the girl was taken from her family and placed in several foster homes.

One can read about this case here: http://www.fampo.no/six_years_old_girl_manipulated_by_psychologist.html.

The Norwegian site is named "Barnefjern" (Child remover) and apt co-sounder to the official "Barnevern" (Child protection)
http://www.barnefjern.org/her-blir-jenta-6-manipulert-av-en-psykolog/

That transcript bit! Bloody hell! And the 6-year old girl spent 4 hours in interrogation until she confessed...

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TK: But you have to say it. Otherwise we will newer finish.
G: But I have not done it.
TK: It is not you who have done it. We do not mean that you have done anything wrong. We do not mean that at all. But someone have done something. So that the doctor can see that something has happened with your ass. The doctor has seen that, so that is clear. We only have to get you to tell how it has happened.
G: I have not done anything.
TK: But we know that something must have happened. We only need to get you to tell how it happened. It need not have happened yesterday. It can have happened much earlier.
G: But you do not know that.
TK: Yes, we know that.
G: But I have not done ...
TK: We know that it must have happened.
G: Will it last long before I can go home.
TK: Yes, it will take a while. I will sit here badgering you until you tell what has happened.
1478  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Sony Pictures Pulls “The Interview” From Theaters on: December 20, 2014, 11:59:04 AM
At worst, I see the film as a provocation propaganda at a time when North and South Korea seek to reunite, which is not to the US liking. This is why Obama took such a strong stance, when the film got stopped.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-12-19/north-korean-hack-of-sony-not-acceptable-state-conduct-fbi-says.html

At best, it is a political "black PR" move, on the same line as "Borat".

Oh, well, Russia at least tries to act as a peace broker, having invited both the South Korean president and the North Korean leader to Moscow for the 9th of May celebration next year, giving them an opportunity to talk on neutral territory:
http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2014/12/20/n_6762937.shtml
1479  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Crimea on: December 20, 2014, 11:53:59 AM
Leader of the Russian biker club "Night wolves" has ended up on Obama's personal "hate list". The club, as early as 2009 organised tours around Crimea, supporting the oppressed population of the peninsula. The leader of the club thanked Obama for acknowledging his efforts to support his motherland Smiley
http://lenta.ru/news/2014/12/20/hirurg/





Yatsenjuk urges to deprive Crimea and Donbass of electricity, so as to "save" electricity. This is an act of terrorism from Kiev. Besides, Kiev will further reduce their own income as Crime pays for the supplied power.
http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=2214313&cid=9

Crimea is only 20% self-sufficient when it comes to electricity, though they are building two new gas power stations - they have enough gas to export it.



Russian Foreign Ministry issued a statement to the Canadian and US sanctions against Crimea, saying that there will be a response to this attack on historical Russian territory. As for the sanctions against Donbass, FM said that it's a pity USA further demonstrate that they are not interested in a peaceful process.

http://www.vz.ru/news/2014/12/20/721436.html
1480  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Crimea on: December 19, 2014, 10:38:04 PM
It took Obama all of 1 day to make use of his new toy.
In accordance with the "Ukraine terror" law, all economic relations between Republic of Crimea and USA are banned. (It does not say if trade with Sevastopol, which is a different entity, is allowed.) A couple of days before that EU enacted similar sanctions against Crimea. Crimeans must be shaking in their pants.  Grin

http://ria.ru/crimea_today/20141220/1039281386.html
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