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14741  Economy / Speculation / Re: Good time to invest in btc? on: April 25, 2015, 08:21:43 AM
I know this is your standard noob question but being new to bitcoin/cryptocurrency i thought it would be worth asking. With the price down to ~$200 is now the time to be buying them? Ive read some of the horror stories of people losing 30k etc and that's more than a lifetime of savings which if i had couldn't even comprehend losing. At the moment ive bought my first btc but am now worried of a potential crash.

I know you shouldnt risk what you cant afford to lose but you have to take some risks i suppose.

Im guessing this may be a question better asked to a crystal ball?

thanks and apologies if this gets asked everyday.

It's a very good time to buy BTC.  Remember it can go to +1000 really fast.
14742  Economy / Speculation / Re: Superwallet + China = Moon? on: April 25, 2015, 08:15:33 AM
are we about to finally buck the downtrend and start shooting for the moon?


http://www.coindesk.com/okcoin-blueprint-mainstream-bitcoin-payments-superwallet/

superwallet bitchez!
looks great, plus from okcoin in China

may work round everything


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OKCoin, the largest Chinese yuan (CNY) bitcoin exchange by volume, has announced the launch of an ambitious new wallet product it hopes will encourage the wider industry to rethink its attempts to reach mainstream consumers.

Dubbed the first 'Superwallet', the OKLink desktop wallet, currently in beta, promises to combine the best of both fiat mobile wallets and traditional bitcoin wallets. In effect, the Superwallet will allow users to spend BTC, CNY or US dollars at bitcoin-accepting merchants, converting fiat currency to bitcoin only at the point of sale as a means of transmitting the payment and settling the transaction.

The conversion will come at no additional cost to the user, who will pay a bid/ask spread on the purchase as they would when initiating a purchase with BTC. OKCoin will continue to cover mining fees, while fees for those who use its traditional exchange to access bitcoin as a speculative asset will remain unchanged.

Jack Liu, head of OKCoin's international division, suggested that the launch of the Superwallet would mark one of the first attempts to encourage the use the bitcoin protocol as a payments rail without requiring users to interface with its currency directly.

Overall, he cautioned that the release is still a beta, and that the wallet is, for now, only as strong as the wider ecosystem with which it will need to interact. However, he expressed optimism that more bitcoin companies would be encouraged to adopt a similar approach when developing future efforts.

Liu told CoinDesk:

"The Superwallet is not branded as a bitcoin currency product. It will highlight the powerful open protocol which will allow users to spend their chosen currency using the bitcoin protocol in the same way the native tokens of the protocol can be spent."

Superwallet users who wish to transact in BTC will still be able to do so, a feature Liu believes will maintain the company's appeal to bitcoin users while providing benefits to a larger pool of customers.

"It removes the need to believe in deflationary money supply, decentralization, certain political leanings or the need to stay abreast of industry trends or currency movements," Liu added.

FinTech focus

The news comes on the heels of a slew of signals that the formerly trading-focused company was seeking to enter the consumer market. CEO Star Xu first hinted the company was on the verge of shifting focus at The North American Bitcoin Conference (TNABC) this January in his inaugural US appearance.

OKCoin went on to experience a string of departures that saw CTO Changpeng Zhao and product manager Zane Tackett leave abruptly for competitors or new endeavors. However, Liu said the Superwallet concept is unrelated to the exits, reiterating that his company is still equally focused on continuing to improve its exchange product.

Liu did, however, suggest the company is on a new path forward in his comments, framing OKCoin as a financial technology company that is more broadly interested in solving problems for mainstream consumers.

"We want to show we're innovative, that we're not just about speculation," Liu continued. "Bitcoin is an important, important, important part of our FinTech company, but we're trying to solve problems."

Liu's comments suggest a frustration with an industry that he implied was too focused on onboarding consumers to bitcoin as a currency.

"This type of thinking is a little narrow, how to help bitcoin users try to avoid volatility. There's this other community that wants to have an CNY or fiat wallet and think of a bitcoin address as a zip code or payment code," he said, adding:

"I don't think the average person wants to be looking at updates from Gavin Andresen and whether he put in new block sizes."

Limitations for users

At launch, Liu sees the Superwallet as more useful to its domestic Chinese users, who can connect bank accounts directly to the product, something US users are not able to do.

Still, he said there are workarounds for those who are willing to go through the current levels of friction to initiate USD purchases on the bitcoin network.

"You would buy bitcoin somewhere, including potentially OKCoin, and move the bitcoin to your USD wallet. So you don't have to have a bitcoin wallet, just a USD wallet," Liu explained.

okcoin, oklink

From there, Liu said users can scan bitcoin QR codes with their wallet to pay with fiat at the point of sale. Such new activity, he contends, would bring added liquidity to the network in a boon for bitcoin users.

"We're not changing the network. Anyone who wants to use bitcoin can keep using bitcoin," Liu added.

For now, though, he suggested the OKLink wallet is lacking refinement for English-language users. Translations for OKLink are still in development, Liu said, as are supporting versions of the product, such as iOS and Android editions.

Domestic market competition

While a change in the thinking of one large bitcoin exchange, it could be argued the Superwallet approaches concepts already being explored by other players in the wider digital currencies space that have attempted to move fiat currencies using open ledgers.

Pushing back against these comparisons, Liu argued that payment networks such as those developed by Ripple Labs are still centralized, meaning tokens function as IOUs.

In this light, Liu framed the Superwallet as an effort that seeks a similar usability while relying more on the bitcoin blockchain as a means to transmit fiat.

"If I send CNY via bitcoin to Circle, Circle owns this BTC and can get exactly the value of USD for that BTC. It does not owe any exposure to me or to any other party. Fiat should be transferred through a decentralized core and OKCoin has committed to that core being bitcoin," he said.

In this way, Liu suggested OKCoin could also compete in China, a market that has traditionally not be viewed as one where bitcoin can win a share of the payments space.

okcoin, oklink

Liu attacked this idea as well, contending that despite the low fees charged by Alipay or UnionPay, OKCoin can appeal to Chinese users who need to transact internationally.

"WeChat is a closed payment system. When a WeChat user arrives in a foreign country for example, he or she will need to install a new wallet," Liu argued.

Building an ecosystem

Ultimately, Liu envisions an ecosystem where bitcoin serves as the rails for international payments and companies like OKCoin act as the on and off ramp for users to convert in and out of different fiat currencies.

He stressed that the ecosystem needs to come together to enable this economic activity. For example, Liu noted that, today, OKLink users would not be able to send USD to a Circle wallet and have that user receive USD on the other end.

However, Liu did outline examples of how OKCoin's Superwallet could be useful for users of the bitcoin payroll service Bitwage.

"Now a Chinese person can get Bitwage and the bitcoin goes to a CNY wallet, and they get paid automatically in CNY," Liu explained.

Liu also indicated that he doesn't see the Superwallet as a viable consumer spending tool at present, given the limited number of merchants on the protocol. For this effort, Liu acknowledged the support of companies like Coinbase and BitPay is needed.

With this goal in mind, Liu ended by calling on the industry to join together for what he characterized as the greater consumer good, concluding:

"Everyone in this industry should be embracing this concept."


thoughts?

I can't see how this is better than the Ripple concept.
14743  Economy / Speculation / Re: This forum is not an indicator for the real sentiment anymore. on: April 25, 2015, 08:13:59 AM
I'm more than happy if we leave out the speculators. They are there just to make money and whether bitcoin succeeds or fails is of no concern to them. So never mind if it's a boring year. Seeing the price going up and going down only gives us all the false hope and when it finally stabilizes, that is when we should see businesses adopting it and seeing it as a stable payment system. That is really what we need.

Yes again!  And if the businesses come in, it's a good time to buy bitcoins.  So let's buy now before the businesses come in while it's cheap!  This is the bottom.  Do not listen to OP!
14744  Economy / Speculation / Re: Support did not hold... But don't panic. on: April 25, 2015, 08:11:37 AM
14745  Economy / Speculation / Re: This forum is not an indicator for the real sentiment anymore. on: April 25, 2015, 07:59:24 AM
no price action is good for restoring faith(partially at least) in average people, that want simply use bitcoin to buy stuff, bu at the same time a newbie that look in this section, will be worried about all those troll predicting the dead or the fall to double digits of bitcoin



Yes.  I agree with Amph!  Do not listen to OP.  Keep buying Bitcoins, this is the bottom.
14746  Economy / Speculation / Re: This forum is not an indicator for the real sentiment anymore. on: April 25, 2015, 07:49:12 AM
All of us love to play bull or bear games. I am intrigued by it myself. Nevertheless, the market has matured.

If bulls are talking "bullstalk" in here it doesn't matter besides bears in this forum feel reinforced, that the dowtrend will prolong. I think this is a fallacy.

I find it kind of fascinating, that almost all great forecasters I have great respect for see a continuing downtrend. Knowing, that they have a big number of interested followers. I am quite sure, we have seen the low of this bearmarekt already in january.

This, my beloved bullfriends does not mean we are seeing any bubbles soon. I kind of agree with master luc, that we could establish a very long sidewards movement, which could easily take more than one year from where we are now. This will greatly help the bitcoin ecosystem to flourish more and more as a payment system (cash in vs. cash out in balance + newly mined coins absorbed). It would be very daunting for get rich quick bulls. It will be boring for shorters and traders will call bitcoin a fad because of the lacking volaitility (we already see this now!).

For the bullunatics, it might be even harder to see bitcoin going sidewards for such a long time (with no indication, that it could rise ever again), than hoping for the break of the downtrend and an immediate bubble.

Happy boring markets!  Grin

tl:dr; no price action for at least one more year. bitcoin becomes useful for users and boring for speculators.





Do not listen to this guy!  I repeat, DO NOT LISTEN!  We are Bitcoiners!!!

14747  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Best Javascript Altcoin on: April 25, 2015, 04:38:44 AM
Are there any other altcoins built on Javascript? I know that NODE is based on node.js. But what others are there? Any JavaScript-based coin would have to be a new source coin and to my knowledge, there aren't very many new source coins currently out there.

Yeah yeah it's Node.  But there's no volume.  Lot's of bag holders who cannot sell down without taking it even lower.  

Just stay away.  But you could trade it when it is being pumped.  But get out as soon as you made some profit.  These are NOT worth holding for the long term.  We just don't know where these projects are going.  The devs behind them could have good and honest intentions, but what can they really do?  They'd need an angel investor, or better yet a VC spending millions on their project to get it going and build infrastructure.  And even with that, it's not even 100% sure that they would pull it off.  One good example of that is Ripple, another is Bitshares, another is Stellar.  All those VC's/backers and is still having a hard time competing with Bitcoin.

Just stay away...


Part of the reason why NODE isn't looking so good right now is the Bter hack. It was the main exchange that NODE traded on (perhaps even the only one?).



Exactly why people should back up and stay away.  It's easy to lose money on altcoins, especially now. It ain't 2013 anymore.

You could trade it though if it's being pumped.  But get out real quick.  This is far from a good longterm investment.

edit:  "Any JavaScript-based coin would have to be a new source coin and to my knowledge, there aren't very many new source coins currently out there."

^ You think that pitch is gonna make a a backer or VC pump millions in a project?  Hell no. 
14748  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why Litecoin was doomed from the start to fail on: April 25, 2015, 04:02:32 AM
microguy seriously are you going to post the same out of context bs to every thread?

yeah yeah we know you hate ltc, and btc; and goldcoin will take over and rule the crypto landscape..........then why don't you pony up and head back to the 3 other members on your own forum  Wink...and leave us in peace  Smiley

I'm accumulating. Once I've completed the accumulation phase, I will leave this place in peace and return to my kingdom and my golden throne. Tongue







Sorry I just had to  Cheesy

That pic!  LOOOOOOOOOOL!!!
14749  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Best Javascript Altcoin on: April 25, 2015, 03:59:28 AM
Yeah yeah it's Node.  But there's no volume.  Lot's of bag holders who cannot sell down without taking it even lower.  

Just stay away.  But you could trade it when it is being pumped.  But get out as soon as you made some profit.  These are NOT worth holding for the long term.  We just don't know where these projects are going.  The devs behind them could have good and honest intentions, but what can they really do?  They'd need an angel investor, or better yet a VC spending millions on their project to get it going and build infrastructure.  And even with that, it's not even 100% sure that they would pull it off.  One good example of that is Ripple, another is Bitshares, another is Stellar.  All those VC's/backers and is still having a hard time competing with Bitcoin.

Just stay away...



did they release the source code? is that the only coin based on javascript?

Don't know, don't care.  Just stay away.
14750  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Discussion: How to make altcoin a success? Opinions? Suggestions? on: April 25, 2015, 03:20:46 AM
What features make a successful altcoin?

Attention, both good and bad. The difference between a successful coin and a failed coin is attention. If your coin gets attention, it will succeed. If your coin doesn't get attention, it will fail. All other matters are of secondary importance.

So you think Dogecoin will succeed?  There's lots of attention there.  Even I have a soft spot for it.
14751  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why is NXT not the number 2 coin? on: April 25, 2015, 02:42:56 AM
I think it's mostly due to first-mover advantage, and due to the community's perception that Bitcoin is "good enough." 

Not just that.  VC's are pumping millions (and soon to be billions) in Bitcoin related start ups.
14752  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Discussion: How to make altcoin a success? Opinions? Suggestions? on: April 25, 2015, 02:37:17 AM
There are many altcoins now. Some come and go, some stay. Some are pumped and dumped and some are slowly decreasing in price with lack of news and activity.

What features make a successful altcoin?

Please share your opinions!

Just some topics...

* Is a single dev better than a group of developers?
* Should the dev post every day or should he work on the features?
* Do tasks for community (like let's vote for my coin, come on guys, just 100 votes left... or perhaps logo contest) improve the coin perception or make it worse?
* POW or POS?
* Which algo for POW?
* Is faucet and games a good thing or nobody cares?
* Wallet improvements [like private messaging and exchange integration] or simple wallet and lots of extra services?
* Are wallets for mobile devices important? Cloud wallets?
* Are whales good or bad?
* Is pumping [usually followed by dumping] good or bad?
* Integration with payment systems - is it useful or nobody cares and uses BTC anyways?
* Which is a good exchange? Most shoot for Cryptsy, while others think it is a altcoin grave.
* Proof Of Developer and the like, is it important?
* Is premine good?
* Ninja-launch or 1 month in advance PRE-ANN?
* Should the dev team try to stabilize the price, or it's up to investors?
* Should the coin discussion be on the btctalk thrad, or should the coin create its own forum?

Please post whatever you think on this matter, I hope it will be an interesting topic...

Thanks!

Stop.  Just stop.  We don't need any more of these likely failed from the beginning projects built by amateurs.

If you really want to do it.  Who are you,  and who is your team?  Who is your backer/s?

I think the community should start asking these questions now.  No more of these anonymous dev Satoshi wannabe bullshit.
14753  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Best Javascript Altcoin on: April 25, 2015, 02:30:10 AM
Yeah yeah it's Node.  But there's no volume.  Lot's of bag holders who cannot sell down without taking it even lower.  

Just stay away.  But you could trade it when it is being pumped.  But get out as soon as you made some profit.  These are NOT worth holding for the long term.  We just don't know where these projects are going.  The devs behind them could have good and honest intentions, but what can they really do?  They'd need an angel investor, or better yet a VC spending millions on their project to get it going and build infrastructure.  And even with that, it's not even 100% sure that they would pull it off.  One good example of that is Ripple, another is Bitshares, another is Stellar.  All those VC's/backers and is still having a hard time competing with Bitcoin.

Just stay away...

14754  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: itBit exchange applies for banking licence on: April 25, 2015, 02:15:58 AM
"... And on they slowly become like the Gnomes of Zurich which Bitcoin was trying to avoid."

- Me

They win guys.
14755  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Bitcoin Foundation Director: No Plans to Fund Core Development on: April 25, 2015, 02:12:09 AM
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Newly appointed Bitcoin Foundation executive director Bruce Fenton has indicated that the trade organization is unlikely to pursue proposed plans to support bitcoin core development.

The statements come on the heels of Wednesday's announcement that bitcore core developers Gavin Andresen, Wladimir van der Laan and Cory Fields had joined MIT Media Lab's Digital Currency Initiative in a full-time capacity due in part to the financial issues facing the Bitcoin Foundation.

Fenton reported that he was "not part" of discussions about the core developers joining MIT, but that the Foundation would continue to be supportive of the developers. Further, Fenton distanced the organization from past reports that it was seeking to form a venture-funded entity as part of a plan to spin off its development efforts.


http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-foundation-director-no-plans-to-fund-core-development/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+CoinDesk+%28CoinDesk+-+The+Voice+of+Digital+Currency%29
14756  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Unbelievable amount of misinformation about Bitcoin on: April 24, 2015, 03:34:42 PM
14757  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: itBit exchange applies for banking licence on: April 24, 2015, 03:30:43 PM
How big is itBit?  What their average daily volume in USD?
14758  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: any great coin to invest?which coin will go up in value? on: April 24, 2015, 03:28:05 PM
any great coin to invest?which coin will go up in value?

Now?  Nope.  Save fiat for now.
14759  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Stellar on: April 24, 2015, 03:24:54 PM
You guys got some buzz today on cryptsy chat...I'm goin to look into your project!

care to elaborate?

They're probably going to have an STR/BTC market.
14760  Economy / Economics / Re: Best way to turn 2BTC into 4BTC on: April 24, 2015, 03:20:49 PM
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