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1481  Other / Meta / Re: Bitcoin Talk on Telegram on: February 22, 2023, 07:52:03 AM

congratulations on the success of your project on telegram, you are finally starting to see the results of your project! really remarkable, I wondered, but can these sponsors also be proposed in the telegram forums in other languages?

Certainly, there are currently active international sections that are not being managed by anyone. In practice, these are vacant positions and anyone can apply for them. However, the applicants will also have to take care of the sponsors.

it's really a pity that no one has yet come forward to manage the other groups of the project, I find it really well done, full of content like here on the forum, and also the sponsors are starting to invest in the Italian "board". I hope someone will step up one day and manage the international group perfectly
1482  Other / Meta / Re: Bitcoin Talk on Telegram on: February 21, 2023, 11:59:05 PM


Bitcoin Talk Telegram Campaign Recap:

If you want background music on the post, we suggest  "Thunderstruck (live-1991) AC/DC."

The Rock Trading campaign ended on Sunday, February 12, after 4 weeks. The campaign will not be renewed, but the remaining funds from the previous campaign will be used for another 4 weeks. During the 4 weeks, the campaign distributed 325,734 satoshis to participants and significantly increased the flow of messages within the forum.

Participants wrote 588 messages in the 4 weeks.

In the first week, 5 campaign participants produced 119 messages. I
n the second week, 7 participants produced 190 messages.
In the third week, 6 participants produced 157 messages, while in the last week, 6 participants produced 128 messages.

Unfortunately, the tracker is not in our possession, so the iterations with the campaign are not visible. Nevertheless, we thank The Rock Trading for the boost it gave to the forum and wish them a speedy resolution of their problems or information on what is happening.

The Sell Defi campaign ended on Sunday, February 20, with a duration of 4 weeks and no renewal at the moment.

There were always 2 participants, and they contributed 47, 54, 63, and 63 messages from the first to the fourth week, respectively.

During the campaign, it delivered 228,184 satoshis and received 227 posts from participants. Obviously, these are different numbers than TRT in terms of posts, as there were only 2 users.

During the campaign, the link received only 33 clicks, and we invite users to be more involved with our sponsors. The Sell Defi service has been used 3/4 times within the forum. We thank SellDefi for its contribution.

The SIM Privacy campaign is still ongoing and will end in about 2 weeks. We will update you later.

Stay tuned for the next update.










congratulations on the success of your project on telegram, you are finally starting to see the results of your project! really remarkable, I wondered, but can these sponsors also be proposed in the telegram forums in other languages?
1483  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: Bitcoin Talk Italia Telegram on: February 21, 2023, 11:52:33 PM
È stata una iniziativa andata più che bene direi, sono contento che i primi progetti siano stati un successo sul gruppo telegram di btctalk, sperando che molti più sponsor abbiano voglia di investire sul progetto di @mendace. Anche perché mi sto ritrovando senza firma a breve ahaha no scherzo ovviamente
1484  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Europa League 2022/23 Season on: February 21, 2023, 11:41:20 PM
Match between Manchester United and Barcelona, this match will be an interesting encounter where the both teams are expected to score themselves, Manchester United is in a very good form this season, they have won most of their match this season with little draws likewise Barcelona, but this match might favour the host team because getting a 2:2 draw in away encounter with Barcelona and coming back home as the host of the match will make them to give out their best to make sure the match favours them.

the match Barcelona Manchester utd was among the most spectacular of the last round, for Manchester bringing home a draw from the Camp nou was an excellent result, few teams were able to achieve a result at Barcelona, ​​in the Champions League they succeeded Inter drew 3-3 and they devoured the opportunity to make it 3-4 at the last minute. I would like to remind you that Barcelona are first in the table in La Liga with only one defeat and with only 7 goals conceded so far in the league! now playing at old trafford could be easier for manchester, i think they can be the favorites to go through
1485  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: February 21, 2023, 11:31:56 PM
That's really a big shock about the result. However, we can see how Atalanta tried to give so many attacks they were also very dominating the match,
Right, I think this is related to luck Atalanta has done the best but luck is not on their side 20 shots and 10 shots on target are proof
Poor Atalanta
I don't know whether they really underestimated their opponent or they were really only not lucky at that match. They really couldn't utilize those many chances to score at least one higher than Lecce. Because we all know how the performance of Atalanta is so far. That day becomes one of the worst days for them. With that loss, they lost the point and decreased their position on the standing again.

I haven't seen the whole match between Atalanta and Lecce, but from the few clips of the match I've seen I can well say that Atalanta were really unlucky, lots of wasted scoring chances and Lecce were much more cynical in front of goal! it's a real shame for Atalanta who had to wait for a defensive mistake to score. this defeat will be decisive during the continuation of the championship, now they have slipped to sixth position in the standings with Juventus behind them who are slowly catching up and are now -9 behind them
1486  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2022/23 Season on: February 21, 2023, 11:22:54 PM
Before the game tonight i had taken my word back as regards Real Madrid picking Liverpool apart, i did so because i thought Liverpool coming into this game on the back of two victories against Everton and Newcastle would give them the well needed confidence to go out there tonight and give their fans something to cheer about, and to be fair to them, they did, but it only lasted for 20 minutes, before it absolutely turned into a Real Madrid show.

Having said that, quite a lot of things are going wrong for Liverpool, i just read that this is the first time they are conceding 5 goals in a European comperition in Anfield. The bad thing about this loss is its demoralizing effect, just after the team started to find their spirit again, and i am pretty sure this defeat would affect them in the EPL. As far as the second leg goes, this is already a done deal imo, Real Madrid are just too experienced to throw away a three goal lead when they are playing at home, thus it should be goodbye Liverpool.

incredible, I was expecting a very close match and I blindly believed that Liverpool and Real Madrid would not go beyond the draw so as to play for access to the quarterfinals at the bernabeu in the return match. but already after 5 minutes the goals began to emerge.. I'm half happy because I had bet both teams on goal/goal, with over 2.5 or 3.5 I would have won more, but that's okay
1487  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2022/23 Season on: February 21, 2023, 05:26:09 PM
Today's match between Liverpool and Real Madrid promises to be very interesting. It cannot be otherwise, since we will see the two finalists of the previous edition of the Champions League on the pitch. It's hard to pick a favorite for promotion. Liverpool have been disappointing in the English Premier League this season, but in their Champions League group they only lost an away match to Napoli and won the other 5 matches. Real is still fighting for the Spanish championship with Barcelona, and recently also won the Club World Cup. I'm counting on an interesting match and a lot of goals, I bet over 2.5 goals.

I'm also inclined to bet on over 2.5 even if it will be a very difficult match for both teams, I was also considering betting on goals for both teams, how do you see it? I'm looking for advice! obviously both teams have an excellent attack and often concede a lot in defense and therefore it is very probable that they can both concede at least one goal
1488  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: [Meta] Andamento sezione italiana on: February 20, 2023, 03:40:01 PM
Non so sinceramente se scadono, a me dopo 8 mesi di inattività erano ancora lì belli maturati ma senza interessi 😂 anche perché guardando la classifica satoshi ne ha 2500+ ma manca all'appello da anni, quindi non penso che scadano. Faccio un annuncio, se non sapete a chi inviarli mi propongo come vittima sacrificale 😂😂
1489  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: February 20, 2023, 03:34:14 PM

Roma already had a decent enough season with Mourinho last year, they didn't do that well in the league maybe but they did well enough in Conference league and won it, on the other hand we are talking about them being much better in the league this year as well, even though they were missing some very important players.

I think it's clear to me that Abraham is going to make them get to that UCL levels, top 4 is not unlikely at this point and could happen. It's going to be not so easy to handle, but not impossible neither. One thing they need to do more is passing, right now they are relying too much on talent, a team passing style could help time to time.


Mourinho is a great coach, I had no doubts about it
it is no coincidence that he has coached many important clubs, he has a different mind and his schemes are very good
I would like him to come to Juventus, but it certainly costs too much and at the moment we can't afford it

I agree with you as a good Inter fan, Mourinho is one of the best and has been the best for a very long time, unfortunately his football ideology is difficult to apply in Rome, the team is competitive but he lacks elements on the pitch that can lay down the law during the game. unfortunately I wouldn't like to see him at Juventus for obvious and fanatical reasons
1490  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: Safepal hardware wallet review and opinions on: February 18, 2023, 07:55:10 PM

friend, in my opinion I find it expensive and also useless to spend additional funds on the purchase of a new hardware wallet, if your device still works perfectly why replace it? I don't see a valid reason because of the battery life, I could understand you if there was a security problem as the reason. battery life is very important but other devices are not that much better, considering the quality / price ratio! of course if you want a longer duration a safepal of less than $50 gives you a duration of about 20 days, if you want a longer duration and therefore better quality it will also increase the price you will have to pay. I understand using it frequently becomes more of a problem as the battery drains fast. I too had considered buying a new hardware wallet but not because of the S1 battery problem but more than anything else I would like to have an open source hw, more than anything else it has become my obsession rather than a real need, but then I did the same question, do I really need it? my S1 still works fine and until the safety of my funds is questioned i will keep them there. then of course everyone makes their own assessments

I would also say, since the safepal app can manage multiple wallets both hardware and software, it would be enough to open a new wallet without combining it with the hardware wallet and put the coins there but only those you need to do your daily operations, you leave the rest in the secure hardware wallet. what are the advantages? that you don't need to scan QR codes and save battery power, and it's much faster
1491  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: WARNING the rock trading. on: February 18, 2023, 07:40:52 PM
duole molto sentire che hanno problemi di liquidità!
Spero che avremo ulteriori aggiornamenti, io non ho mai usato TRT ma ne ho sempre sentito parlare come di un exchange con una gestione molto oculata e che non dava neanche rendimenti proprio per ridurre al minimo i rischi, quindi i soldi dove sono finiti?


Anche perché finora erano rimasti immuni ad ogni attacco...
In realtà, stando al loro report di bilancio del 2021, non è così. Copio e incollo:

In data 1° settembre 2021, la società Onedime, che fornisce servizi IT alla medesima The Rock Trading ha subito un attacco informatico che ha causato la sottrazione, dal conto omnibus di TRT pari a 311,06 ETH stimabili al cambio alla suddetta data in circa Euro 904.000. In data 10 settembre 2021, la società ha proceduto alla denuncia del suddetto furto presso il Compartimento di Polizia Postale e delle Comunicazioni del Veneto, Sezione di Padova.
Al fine di coprire il suddetto ammanco, in data 17 dicembre 2021 gli amministratori della Società hanno deliberato di attingere ai fondi aziendali e, nello specifico, alle giacenze in criptovalute detenute dalla stessa TRT per preservare gli interessi economico-finanziari dei clienti di TRT, così da evitare un possibile danno reputazionale per la società stessa. Nel corso del 2022 la Società ha provveduto a coprire tale ammanco attingendo alla propria disponibilità di criptovalute detenute in giacenza.



Se hai subito un hack e hai dovuto attingere a fondi in proprio, significa che non c'era nessun tipo di copertura assicurativa.
Copertura né esterna, né interna.
Come gestione del rischio... beh... non c'è nessuna gestione del rischio.
PEr un sito che aveva iniziato con il nome di "The Rock Insurance Co." non il massimo.

Va considerato che una copertura del genere non è facile da ottenere e non le regalano, sono coperture che costano molto.
Bisogna vedere e valutare quanto costa adesso una perdita d'immagine quasi irreparabile.

È chiaro che se vi fosse stato un secondo attacco/ammanco, per una cifra più importante, il problema emerge in tutta la sua semplicità:
l'acqua scarseggia e la papera non galleggia.

Se di hack si tratta.

Se è un problema di norme di antiricilaggio o simili, come si può intuire... beh... forse è una cosa ancor più grave.

D'accordo il discorso assicurativo ma per un exchange 300 ETH dovrebbero essere veramente poca roba, TRT è stato fondato nel 2011 mi pare, hanno accesso alle crypto da quando valevano poco o nulla, conosco gente che come individui hanno ben più di 300 ETH, un furto di 300 ETH non può essere una ragione sufficiente per portare un exchange al fallimento altrimenti quanti utenti avevano, 10?

2007 come progetto iniziale deviato poi su altro.

Lascia fare i 300 ETH è il principio.

300 ETH sono molti o sono pochi, nessuno sa se domani possono essere 300 euro o 300 milioni di euro...

Ad ogni modo non è la prima volta che un hack disintegra un business.

10 utenti probabilmente no, ma probabilmente nemmeno milioni p quanto meno non un bacino di utenti profittevoli quanto Coinbase.


Boh anche a me sembra che la storia del ammanco di 300 ETH sia davvero poca roba per un Exchange che ha vita da più di 10 anni, forse è uno dei motivi e non il motivo, sarebbe surreale. Ci sono comunque altri indizi un po' strani, tipo il rifiuto della proof of riserve, se avevano tutto in regola perché rifiutarsi di essere trasparenti?
1492  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: WARNING the rock trading. on: February 17, 2023, 10:33:56 PM
Ho dato uno sguardo nei canali telegram di the rock trading, e le lamentele iniziano a farsi sentire già dai primi giorni di febbraio, qualcuno dice che i rallentamenti si sono verificati anche per tutto gennaio.. qui mi sa che la questione è tanto grave! Intanto già si sono mossi per aprire un gruppo telegram per eventuali azioni legali contro trt, sperando di far cosa gradita posto il link del gruppo
https://t.me/therocktradinghelp
1493  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: WARNING the rock trading. on: February 17, 2023, 09:18:23 PM
duole molto sentire che hanno problemi di liquidità!
Spero che avremo ulteriori aggiornamenti, io non ho mai usato TRT ma ne ho sempre sentito parlare come di un exchange con una gestione molto oculata e che non dava neanche rendimenti proprio per ridurre al minimo i rischi, quindi i soldi dove sono finiti?

Mi sembra tutto molto strano, cioè questi se ne sono accorto solo oggi che c'erano problemi di liquidità? Io mi sono interessato alla vicenda oggi quindi non so se nei giorni addietro ci fossero già notizie di problemi di liquidità o altre robe. Anche perché fino alla settimana scorsa finanziavano la campagna firme sul gruppo btctalk su telegram. Poi comunque ormai non mi sorprende più nulla sugli Exchange, già in molti ci hanno deliziato con giochi di prestigio e non sorprenderà neanche trt se usciranno notizie sul ipotetico crack.
La cosa puzza, vuoi vedere che stanno facendo piazza pulita di Exchange? Ne sta muovendo uno al mese circa
1494  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: Safepal hardware wallet review and opinions on: February 17, 2023, 08:34:01 PM
Update: After I left it for 20 days after I fully charged it, on the day I turned it on again I turned on the SafePal S1 and was a little surprised that the battery was still full, only reduced 1 strip while many I know the battery will run out automatically can't be turned on either but next time this is still enough to last for 20 days or more.

So is it because this is a new S1 that the battery power is still strong for the next 20 days without frequent charging?
You need to use it regularly on a daily basis to test whether the battery lasts longer or if it becomes wasteful.
When I used it at the beginning of the purchase it was quite good.
But as time goes by the battery strength starts to decrease and even when turned off the battery still decreases (I assume there is a slight problem with the hardware wallet battery that I use).
Well I have to regularly use this hardware to test battery life but I think indeed if the initial purchase is always good and not wasteful it's just that I need the same as you to manage it every day using this hardware.

It's possible that the physical resistance of the battery will decrease if it's over time with frequent use, so I need to finish this because I want to know how strong the battery's resistance is until it's wasteful.
At least I won't keep assets on this hardware for longer, my assumption is also the same that one day the battery will definitely have problems what you will face later.

friend, in my opinion I find it expensive and also useless to spend additional funds on the purchase of a new hardware wallet, if your device still works perfectly why replace it? I don't see a valid reason because of the battery life, I could understand you if there was a security problem as the reason. battery life is very important but other devices are not that much better, considering the quality / price ratio! of course if you want a longer duration a safepal of less than $50 gives you a duration of about 20 days, if you want a longer duration and therefore better quality it will also increase the price you will have to pay. I understand using it frequently becomes more of a problem as the battery drains fast. I too had considered buying a new hardware wallet but not because of the S1 battery problem but more than anything else I would like to have an open source hw, more than anything else it has become my obsession rather than a real need, but then I did the same question, do I really need it? my S1 still works fine and until the safety of my funds is questioned i will keep them there. then of course everyone makes their own assessments
1495  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: WARNING the rock trading. on: February 17, 2023, 08:15:23 PM
Stanno morendo tutti come mosche?
Cosa sta realmente succedendo negli Exchange crypto? Io non ho fondi su the rock trading ma seguo la vicenda con interesse e mi dispiace molto! Sapevo che erano una piattaforma seria e per lo più italiana, ma duole molto sentire che hanno problemi di liquidità! Non credo che sarà una storia di pochi giorni... Spero per voi non avevate fondi lì sopra
1496  Other / Meta / Re: Report plagiarism (copy/paste) here. Mods: please give temp or permban as needed on: February 15, 2023, 04:29:22 PM
[...] he only omitted to mention the source dictated by his inexperience on the forums, not let's make drama, [...]
Plagiarism (presenting the work of others, as if it were your own) is not something to be taken lightly. It's a very serious offense, and one which mendace has both admitted to (maybe without realizing it) and failed to properly apologize for.

Maybe it's a language thing, but he seems to be confused about what the issue is.



yes of course plagiarism is not something to be taken lightly and it is a serious fact, and for this I agree with you, but let's be objective, did he copy an entire article? NO. Did he copy parts of articles taken from the web? YES .did he admit it?YES.for me it's more a matter of inexperience than maybe thinking he did it for notoriety or personal gain.This is not to defend plagiarists, but i don't find it right to punish without considering all the factors that caused it mendace's error.
1497  Other / Meta / Re: Report plagiarism (copy/paste) here. Mods: please give temp or permban as needed on: February 15, 2023, 12:35:24 PM
I agree with fillippone's words, @mendace is very active both on the forum and also in various chats outside the forum. the way I see it and the way he wrote the posts, he only omitted to mention the source dictated by his inexperience on the forums, not let's make drama, it was enough to report the error
1498  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: BITCOIN PUMP! on: February 14, 2023, 10:46:19 PM
Trovo interessante questa notizia che da ieri circola sul webbe
La cripto community sta tenendo d'occhio il futuro di USDP di Paxos. Alcuni hanno sottolineato come sia molto improbabile che la SEC prenda di mira anche questa stablecoin, visto che ciò significherebbe che anche il dollaro dovrebbe essere considerato un titolo.

Il giro di vite su BUSD è probabilmente legato ai programmi costruiti al di sopra di esso e alla promessa di guadagno di interessi, simili alle offerte di staking di Kraken.

Fonte https://t.co/kwscKMCXXS
La SEC ha dato un bel giro di vite a tutto quello che ha a che fare con retail e crypto.
Un atteggiamento di chiusura totale che stona un pò con i tempi, e che sta creando più di un grattacapo a chi su bitcoin vuole costruire dei business legittimi.

Che poi non capisco perché si stiano impuntando su BUSD che è peggato 1:1 con USDP e non stanno tirando in ballo la stablecoin di pax? È tutto un po' controverso! Inizio seriamente che le crypto iniziano a fare fastidio ai grandi padri!
1499  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: BITCOIN PUMP! on: February 14, 2023, 09:46:10 PM
Trovo interessante questa notizia che da ieri circola sul webbe
La cripto community sta tenendo d'occhio il futuro di USDP di Paxos. Alcuni hanno sottolineato come sia molto improbabile che la SEC prenda di mira anche questa stablecoin, visto che ciò significherebbe che anche il dollaro dovrebbe essere considerato un titolo.

Il giro di vite su BUSD è probabilmente legato ai programmi costruiti al di sopra di esso e alla promessa di guadagno di interessi, simili alle offerte di staking di Kraken.

Fonte https://t.co/kwscKMCXXS
1500  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: wallet Bitcoin con supporto LN on: February 14, 2023, 08:51:30 PM
ah capito, quindi il wallet ln sarebbe come il borsello con le monetine, sostanzialmente

Esattamente! Tipo i porta monetine che iniziarono a circolare durante l'introduzione dell'euro in Italia 😅 che scempio!

si ma cosa si intende per tanti pagamenti di piccole quantita? pagare il caffe? pagare il pane?
oppure pagare la spesa?
sono importi con 1-2 ordini di grandezza di differenza
se bisogna fare i conti precisi e prezzare le fee di apertura di canale io direi che pagamenti piccole quantita (caffe al bar o panino massimo)

Si anche per me piccole quantità sono un caffè o un panino ma indipendentemente dalla quantità LN è utile per la velocità sarebbe fuori discussione fare la spesa e aspettare un conferma onchain. Dunque LN oltre al basso costo risolve anche i problemi di attesa.

Mi accodo a @mendace per me le piccole quantità si intendono giusto 2 o 3€ però se il Channel che si crea è consistente puoi comunque utilizzare ln per spese più consistenti
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