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1521  Economy / Securities / Re: (GLBSE) TYGRR.BOND-P 4.85% weekly uninsured pass though bond to BTCST on: August 28, 2012, 06:54:58 AM
they will soon be worth 1.068 BTC yeah..
check up your BS&T account - the second week has passed and the interests have compounded at your account.
so, if he does pay out, the bonds are already worth 1.068^2 = 1.140624 BTC
one week from now, they will be worth 1.068^3 = 1.218186432 BTC
keep selling them at the current price - dump all the 40000 onto the market ASAP, to provide the so much needed liquidity - I'm begging you! Smiley
1522  Economy / Securities / Re: (GLBSE) TYGRR.BOND-P 4.85% weekly uninsured pass though bond to BTCST on: August 27, 2012, 05:51:41 PM
Hmm interesting.  So where are all these extra shares coming from?
I said: Goat has unlimited number of shares and he can sell them any time.
Though, he should be selling them according to the contract.
While in the current circumstances the contract actually forbids him both: buying and selling.
But obviously he's doing both: buying and selling...
And he's telling us that he is doing a good thing - which Nefario confirms!
Fuck yeah Smiley
1523  Economy / Securities / Re: (GLBSE) TYGRR.BOND-P 4.85% weekly uninsured pass though bond to BTCST on: August 27, 2012, 05:12:05 PM
So I see that now the number is 28864.
Which means that in the last few hours you sold another 600+ shares.
For which, if pirate does pay out, you will need to pay over 1.1 each - while you are selling them now probably below 0.5.
I don't mind you increasing the number to 50000 or more, but are you sure you have enough money to go on with this bet?

And you people, the TYGRR.BOND-P holders: are you sure that you want to play such a game with this guy?
He's violating the contract, laughing in your face - he says he's doing you a favor. Isn't it insulting? How stupid he thinks you are? I mean, I know some of you are... but only few. Smiley
1524  Economy / Securities / Re: (GLBSE) TYGRR.BOND-P 4.85% weekly uninsured pass though bond to BTCST on: August 27, 2012, 04:50:59 PM
If Pirate would be reading to this thread, then I would kindly ask him to postpone the payments for as long as possible - so Goat, or rather his impertinence, would have sold enough empty "PPT" bonds... and then woke up covered with shit all over (the one that hits the fan)

Sell more man, sell  - sell as many as people can buy! That's exactly what you should be doing.
And Nefario should be keeping saying that you have done nothing wrong! You'd actually be AAA+++ in the rating agency that he's about to start.
Man,  Nefario's rating is all that matters - that's what all the smart people should care about, because he's never been caught lying, by anyone Smiley
1525  Economy / Securities / Re: (GLBSE) TYGRR.BOND-P 4.85% weekly uninsured pass though bond to BTCST on: August 27, 2012, 12:19:10 PM
I know what I saw - there were less than 28k assets on the market AFTER the 17th, 28101 yesterday and 28107 now.
... and 28205 now: https://glbse.com/api/quantity_trading/TYGRR.BOND-P

Still not shorting own bonds, he? Smiley

Fucking shameless liars - that's all you are, both of you.
Plus, additionally: Nefario is obviously Goat's lying bitch - with no honor whatsoever.

LOLZ. Nefario and Goat haven't really gotten along in the past, and now nefario is lying for him? You're truly a fucking idiot.

Goat is clearly trying to make money despite adverse circumstances. He's stated what he's doing in the market. AFAICT, after much scrutiny, Goat is honest. IMO, Goat is making enough money that he has no desire, or need, to be dishonest, or unscrupulous. Goat states, then Goat acts. His actions are clearly visible in the market. He keeps his word, and keeps his investors informed. You clearly have a problem with this level of honesty.

What is your motivation piotr_n? Why are you after Goat (and now Nefario)?

In my experience, the person who shouts loudly about the failings of others is really complaining about the same flaws he sees in himself - So I wonder - How would you have screwed Goat by now? Or are you the lying bitch in your real life?

Either way, I know one thing for sure - Goat is providing additional liquidity on this bond, and I'm sure that bondholders appreciate that.

Haven't I already mentioned once that I don't give a shit if you believe me or not?

What is my motivation?
My only motivation is to warn people about these two crooks.

All I am giving you is a truth.
Whether you believe it or not - it is your problem, not mine.
1526  Economy / Securities / Re: (GLBSE) TYGRR.BOND-P 4.85% weekly uninsured pass though bond to BTCST on: August 27, 2012, 11:36:57 AM
I know what I saw - there were less than 28k assets on the market AFTER the 17th, 28101 yesterday and 28107 now.
... and 28205 now: https://glbse.com/api/quantity_trading/TYGRR.BOND-P

Still not shorting own bonds, he? Smiley

Fucking shameless liars - that's all you are, both of you.
Plus, additionally: Nefario is obviously Goat's lying bitch - with no honor whatsoever.

That does not sound like an apology!
Obviously.
That sounds like: thank you.
Thank you for showing me that Nefario is nothing but your lying bitch!
1527  Economy / Securities / Re: (GLBSE) TYGRR.BOND-P 4.85% weekly uninsured pass though bond to BTCST on: August 27, 2012, 11:31:10 AM
I know what I saw - there were less than 28k assets on the market AFTER the 17th, 28101 yesterday and 28107 now.
... and 28205 now: https://glbse.com/api/quantity_trading/TYGRR.BOND-P

Still not shorting own bonds, he? Smiley

Fucking shameless liars - that's all you are, both of you.
Plus, additionally: Nefario is obviously Goat's lying bitch - with no honor whatsoever.
1528  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: Hashkings Lending,Deposit 1.25% INSURED, ALL PPT ACCOUNTS CLOSING ON 8/19 on: August 25, 2012, 04:01:09 PM
ALL PPT ACCOUNTS WILL BE CLOSED OUT 8/19/12.  ONCE FINAL PAYMENT IS RECEIVED I WILL DISTRIBUTE ALL INTEREST DUE AND PRINCIPAL.

HK - pirate said he'd pay interest to the final day; are you doing the same, or did you stop interest on 19th?

My plan is to pay interest up until the day I receive the funds. 
So it is ok to see the message "This deposit has been withdrawn" even though it wasnt?
1529  Economy / Securities / Re: (GLBSE) TYGRR.BOND-P 4.85% weekly uninsured pass though bond to BTCST on: August 23, 2012, 02:15:31 PM
Dividend record shows this many shares

2012-08-14 14:55   27895

Transferring shares from the issuer account adds it to the amount of active shares, the amount transferred was around 350

350+27895=28245

Currently active(i.e. shares outside the issuers account) shares are 28107

Since the announcement goat has been buying shares, equivalent to the difference.

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What you are saying Nefario just doesn't add up

So please tell me again what doesn't add up?
What doesn't add up is the time when he transferred the "about 350" shares in the alleged single transaction.

First because during the weekend the number was still less than 28000 - I know what I saw and I remember since I checked it explicitly, just after reading this post, which gave me an idea that he was up to something.

Second, because it would be completely irrational for him to sell 350 shares, at the moment when the market price of these bonds was below 1.0 - for which he would have to deposit 350BTC into BS&T and pay the whole week's divs next Tuesday.

Or it would be completely irrational for the buyer, who could have bought these bonds at the market for <1.0 BTC...

So, would you maybe tell us who was that clever/stupid to buy these 350 shares from him on Thursday?
Or should we guess that it was just a gift... because as we all know, Goat is all about giving Smiley
1530  Economy / Securities / Re: (GLBSE) TYGRR.BOND-P 4.85% weekly uninsured pass though bond to BTCST on: August 23, 2012, 01:11:14 PM
piotr_n  - It should be noted that the timestamps I provided on those posts are set to my local zone.
Nefario may have a different stamp, Is this something Nefario took into consideration?
Not sure if that would close the gap or not, just something that popped into my mind.
Wherever the reason is, until he gives me a reasonable explanation for what I have seen, I don't trust him anymore.
If he wants his reputation to go down to zero, to the point where Goat's reputation is already - I respect his choice. Smiley

Don't start dragging me into your conspiracy theories.

You contacted me asking for details, pointing to the thread where goat says OK.

I provided details and not only are you still not happy, you're trying to insinuate that I'm wrapped up in some scam involving Goat.

I don't know if you've ever heard of Google but you can search nefario and goat and you will find that we're not exactly on the most pleasant of terms.

I'm not terribly interested in what you remember a particular number on a particular date, frankly if it was so important why didn't you write it down, that number by the way comes from the API thats not published.

The fact is, Goat hasn't sold or transferred out any of this asset since Pirate made his announcement(as stated before he's been buying them). Trying to poke holes in this, with numbers that "you remember" and have "changed" over the last few weeks means nothing.

I'm done with this thread.

The fact that I am dragging you into my conspiracy theories is just a consequence of you refusing to answer my PMs.
You wanted it public - you've got it.

What you are saying Nefario just doesn't add up.
Why would be Goat transferring the assets out last Thursday, if at that point the market price was below 1BTC and he was actually pretending to be buying the bonds back?
There are several people here who were about to send him their bonds for a buy-back... some of them even already did it.
All the proofs are in the thread.

And if there is something wrong with the "API thats not published", you can always check out a backup from the last weekend and see it.
I did not write it down, but I am not insane I know what I saw: it was less than 28k - in fact it was even less than 27895 (the last div amount).

Also, since this is all about business, I don't think it matters if you like Goat or not - either way his business makes a big part of your profit.
So you have an actual incentive to defend his reputation, or whatever is left from it.
At least in a short term, beacuse in a long term pleasing the crook will likely turn against you.
1531  Economy / Securities / Re: (GLBSE) TYGRR.BOND-P 4.85% weekly uninsured pass though bond to BTCST on: August 23, 2012, 12:40:16 PM
piotr_n  - It should be noted that the timestamps I provided on those posts are set to my local zone.
Nefario may have a different stamp, Is this something Nefario took into consideration?
Not sure if that would close the gap or not, just something that popped into my mind.
Wherever the reason is, until he gives me a reasonable explanation for what I have seen at GLBSE, I don't trust him anymore.
But if he chooses his reputation to go down to zero, to the point where Goat's reputation is already - I respect his choice. Smiley
1532  Economy / Securities / Re: (GLBSE) TYGRR.BOND-P 4.85% weekly uninsured pass though bond to BTCST on: August 23, 2012, 12:17:30 PM
Next time when suspicious to that publish first number before increasing and ask someone for confirmation before rising.
Just to prove to myself that I'm not crazy?
No need - I have a good memory and, as I said, I don't care about the people who don't believe me.

And one more thing: I said in the other thread that I do trust Nefario - now I'm taking it back Smiley
1533  Economy / Securities / Re: (GLBSE) TYGRR.BOND-P 4.85% weekly uninsured pass though bond to BTCST on: August 23, 2012, 11:58:29 AM
Whatever.

I know what I saw - there were less than 28k assets on the market AFTER the 17th, 28101 yesterday and 28107 now.

I know because I have been explicitly checking for it.

So I don't know who is lying and why, or is at a GLBSE bug, but I know that I am not crazy.
And I don't give a shit if you believe me or not - suit yourself believing in whatever you want.
1534  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: GLBSE 2.0 open for testing on: August 23, 2012, 10:38:57 AM
Doesn't it bother you Nefario that people access GLBSE though CloudFlare, which creates a technical risk of a man-in-the middle attack, since CloudFlare has access to an unencrypted connection?

I mean, I do understand the reasons and all the advantages of using CloudFlare, but I am wondering about your reasoning to trust this specific service.
As much as I do trust you, I wouldn't want to discover one day that my money has been withdrawn to a different address from the one I entered into the form and there is no way to prove it...
I hope you understand my concerns.
1535  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: I'm giving 100% ROI away to anyone who thinks pirate is a fraud on: August 23, 2012, 10:18:46 AM
Now I am wondering how many ppl here made naked bets.
All the crazy ones plus one Tongue
1536  Economy / Securities / Re: (GLBSE) TYGRR.BOND-P 4.85% weekly uninsured pass though bond to BTCST on: August 23, 2012, 09:36:52 AM
Thanks Nefario.

Goat, sorry about that, I'll try to not feed the troll next time :/
Read again
~350 shares were transferred out of the Goat's account, after the Pirate's announcement.

Technically he maybe did not "sell" it, but obviously he did not transfer 350 shares to somebody else, just for a fun of it.

I told you GLBSE API doesn't lie - unlike Goat Smiley
1537  Economy / Securities / Re: (GLBSE) TYGRR.BOND-P 4.85% weekly uninsured pass though bond to BTCST on: August 23, 2012, 09:11:37 AM
Or he bought it before selling bonds.
He just bought it before and sell rest of it in time you are talking about.
What wrong is with that?
He doesn't need to buy before selling - he is the bonds' issuer and he has unlimited number of them.
The only thing that counts is this number: https://glbse.com/api/quantity_trading/TYGRR.BOND-P - total number of bonds own by anyone except Goat.
And according to his own contract, this number had no right to change since the BS&T close down was announced.
1538  Economy / Securities / Re: (GLBSE) TYGRR.BOND-P 4.85% weekly uninsured pass though bond to BTCST on: August 23, 2012, 08:57:53 AM
The contract doesn't say a word about pirate defaulting or not - so who cares what Goat thinks about some alleged Pirate's default?
I don't.

The contract states clearly (quoting):
1) This is a pass through bond to BTCST.
2) The money gained from the selling of these bonds will go to BTCST.
3) This bond is not guaranteed but will be honored at best effort.
4) The bond will not be bought back unless BTCST refunds the deposit.

Read the above and think...
Even assuming that I am stupid or GLBSE API is wrong, and Goat has not recently put any of his bonds while being unable to deposit a relevant amount into BTCST...
Even assuming that he bought them back, as he claims - it is still violating the contract.

So, cut off the crap!
1539  Economy / Securities / Re: (GLBSE) TYGRR.BOND-P 4.85% weekly uninsured pass though bond to BTCST on: August 23, 2012, 08:29:44 AM
Second that troll is a troll. He is on my ignore list... I have been buying these bonds at a good discount. I currently have bids in. This guy is just a troll with FUD.
You have no honor whatsoever, you fucking liar.

GLBSE API don't lie.
But if it is not enough for you, we can always ask Nefario to check if you have sold any TYGRR.BOND-P since Pirate announced the close down.
Because if you haven't - it means GLBSE's API is broken...
So, should I file the bug report? Smiley

Yeah, Ask Nefario. I did not sell any P bonds, however I did buy...

Once you ask I expect an apology... 
OK!
1540  Economy / Securities / Re: (GLBSE) TYGRR.BOND-P 4.85% weekly uninsured pass though bond to BTCST on: August 23, 2012, 08:24:47 AM
Second that troll is a troll. He is on my ignore list... I have been buying these bonds at a good discount. I currently have bids in. This guy is just a troll with FUD.
You have no honor whatsoever, you fucking liar.

GLBSE API don't lie.
But if it is not enough for you, we can always ask Nefario to check if you have sold any TYGRR.BOND-P since Pirate announced the close down.
Because if you haven't - it means GLBSE's API is broken...
So, should I file the bug report, quoting your post and my observations of that the API returns? Smiley
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