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1521  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Fastest and cheapest method to withdraw GBP to UK from MtGox IBAN or SWIFT/BIC?? on: August 28, 2012, 08:09:10 AM
With Intersango UK bank account being closed I need a new GBP withdrawal method for funds to my UK bank account.  Using the MtGox withdrawal wizard it offers me to either enter my IBAN or SWIFT/BIC code.  I have both IBAN and BIC codes which method is the cheapest and fastest and how much does it cost.  HSBC tell me to use both IBAN and BIC codes together - http://www.business.hsbc.co.uk/1/2/international-business/iban-bic - but MtGox offers me the option to enter one or the other.  Also MtGox have a UK Barclay account why can't they process UK GBP withdrawals with that.  Thanks for any advice in advance.

MtGox will send you an international wire transfer from Japan.

Intersango is currently as far as I know the only exchange which will send a domestic UK transfer.

Yeah but isn't Intersango UK bank account being closed?
1522  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: Hashkings Lending,Deposit 1.25% INSURED, ALL PPT ACCOUNTS CLOSING ON 8/19 on: August 27, 2012, 05:37:34 PM
Hi I have some old "secured" deposits that are no longer "locked-in" and I haven't withdrawn.  Does that mean they are still earning interest at the original offer?

As long as they haven't been withdrawn, they are still earning interest.


Thanks
1523  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bitcoin user group? on: August 27, 2012, 05:03:10 PM
There are lots of groups on - http://www.coinconnect.org/ - the first bitcoin social network and you can even start your own interest groups.
1524  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: How could Pirate fuck your brains so well that even now many believe in him? on: August 26, 2012, 08:40:24 PM
BTC owed 500,000
Interest per day BTC 5000

Generated BTC per day 6x24x50 = 7200

So he would only need to generate 69% of all Bitcoins to make good for the interest, without paying back anything of the debt.

No, he would only need to generate 51% of all blocks to be able to repay all his debt with 1BTC. 51% with asics is fairly trivial right now.

You keep making these claims.  51% attack doesn't allow you to spend coins which are not yours. So while in theory he could technically repay investors by stealing from them in a 51% attack you couldn't do it with 1 BTC.   He would need 550K BTC today and that number is continually increasing by 4 BTC per minute.

I thought he dropped his interest rates and never allowed compounding?

Edit: drank two litres of Tyskie so maybe I need a calculator  Huh
1525  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: How could Pirate fuck your brains so well that even now many believe in him? on: August 26, 2012, 08:30:28 PM
Aliens... with extraterrestrial quantum computers! I heard they sell them for 500kBTC!

You can do an asic design for considerably less than 500K btc and all it takes is 10 year old cmos technology. No aliens needed.

hm...

BTC owed 500,000
Interest per day BTC 5000
Generated BTC per day 6x24x50 = 7200

So he would only need to generate 69% of all Bitcoins to make good for the interest, without paying back anything of the debt.

I would also point out that was as of the day he shut down.   He owes closed to 550K BTC (and 5.5K BTC per day in interest) today.  In a month he will owe ~723K BTC and daily interest will be more than the number of coins minted each day. 

In a month is three weeks after Pirate repay date.  So I don't think anyone will be expecting to be paid.
1526  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: How could Pirate fuck your brains so well that even now many believe in him? on: August 26, 2012, 08:26:04 PM
I think he's going to pay in full with all interest the day that bet he made expires.  It's funny this forum as a few months ago anyone who called Pirate a ponzi was belittled and now anyone who say's its not is belittled.
Yeah, paying almost $1 million in interest to spite someone is really worth it...

Some people will try to win a bet at any costs.  Even if it means shooting yourself in the foot.  To win a bet and keep face means a lot more than the prize of the bet to many a man.

What are you talking about.  If Pirate pays everyone back he wins the bet.  He could have won the bet already by paying everyone back on Friday.

I didn't think the default date had passed.  Anyway I'm not loosing much sleep over it.  I only had BTC5.00 in a PPT and made more than the principle in interest payments.
1527  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: How could Pirate fuck your brains so well that even now many believe in him? on: August 26, 2012, 08:21:22 PM
I think he's going to pay in full with all interest the day that bet he made expires.  It's funny this forum as a few months ago anyone who called Pirate a ponzi was belittled and now anyone who say's its not is belittled.
Yeah, paying almost $1 million in interest to spite someone is really worth it...

Some people will try to win a bet at any costs.  Even if it means shooting yourself in the foot.  To win a bet and keep face means a lot more than the prize of the bet to many a man.
1528  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: How could Pirate fuck your brains so well that even now many believe in him? on: August 26, 2012, 08:17:08 PM
I think he's going to pay in full with all interest the day that bet he made expires.  It's funny this forum as a few months ago anyone who called Pirate a ponzi was belittled and now anyone who say's its not is belittled.

Which day please?

I can't remember the ins-and-outs of the bet.  Ask "Vladimir" he was the one who made it with him.

You mean Vandroiy.

Yes maybe  Huh
1529  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: How could Pirate fuck your brains so well that even now many believe in him? on: August 26, 2012, 08:12:59 PM
I think he's going to pay in full with all interest the day that bet he made expires.  It's funny this forum as a few months ago anyone who called Pirate a ponzi was belittled and now anyone who say's its not is belittled.

Which day please?

I can't remember the ins-and-outs of the bet.  Ask "Vladimir" he was the one who made it with him.
1530  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: How could Pirate fuck your brains so well that even now many believe in him? on: August 26, 2012, 08:04:46 PM
I think he's going to pay in full with all interest the day that bet he made expires.  It's funny this forum as a few months ago anyone who called Pirate a ponzi was belittled and now anyone who say's its not is belittled.
1531  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: How could Pirate fuck your brains so well that even now many believe in him? on: August 26, 2012, 07:49:48 PM
The debt continuing to accrue interest and I expect a full reconciliation to be made.

LOLZ.  

Pirate debt has increased by 52,303 BTC* just in the period of time since he ended the operation.  That is $549,270 at current exchange rates.  Even if he was profitable and could afford the interest obligation while operating, since shutting down he racked up another half million in debt.  In another five days he will have racked up over a million USD in additional debt since the shutdown.  His interest only obligation is now $57,993 per day or $40.27 per minute.

All that ignores the fact that the debt is legally unenforceable (violates usary laws in the US) and that BTC can be hidden from a judgement with trivial ease.  So the debtor can't be collected against and has 40 new reasons every minute to walk away.  Of course that even assume he could pay if he wanted to but it is increasingly obviously he can't.  Even if he could only pay say half doing so would save him almost $30,000 per day in additional interest yet he hasn't.  

So please, humor me I am just curious at which point will you no longer "expect a full reconciliation to be made"?  Another week (when he now owes ~$6.3 mil USD), another month (when he owes ~ $8.2 mil USD), 180 days (when he owes ~$46 mil USD)?



* Based on the claim by Pirate that the "trust" had 500K BTC when he shut it down.

hehehehe..


These are the only facts I need to hear to make a sane educated guess as to the outcome...

Simple math will answer this one easily...   Smiley

Pirate did say within two weeks I think to wind it down and it is just the ending of the first week.  Maybe Pirate had those two weeks interest payments tailored into his shut down plan accounted for.  If he doesn't honour his two week timetable or comes out with more excuses for time well then people should start to really worry.
1532  Economy / Economics / Re: BFL and Capacity Utilization: Jalapenos to Jump in Price? on: August 26, 2012, 06:11:17 PM

Also, they have a dilemma with the long term demand once everyone is upgraded.


According to Moore's Law ASIC speeds should double every eighteen months.  It would be interesting to see if BFL keep there current trade in offer for there second generation ASIC's.
1533  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Massively Merged Mining on: August 26, 2012, 05:38:26 PM
Thanks.  If you add payouts in alt-coins on your P2Pool pool you can definitely count me in once I have my ASIC's.

Once upon a time I read somewhere that Butterfly Labs stuff does not play well with p2pool, and that they had no plans to correct that when they do ASICs. Has p2pool maybe done something meanwhile to fix it at their end, or is it that you plan to use some other brand of ASIC?

-MarkM-


Oh I thought you was a normal PPS pool being a node off P2Pool  Huh
1534  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: 2nd generation cryptocurrency: Trustcoin on: August 26, 2012, 12:24:12 AM
What your describing is a LETS - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_exchange_trading_system
1535  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: Hashkings Lending,Deposit 1.25% INSURED, ALL PPT ACCOUNTS CLOSING ON 8/19 on: August 25, 2012, 11:18:02 PM
Hi I have some old "secured" deposits that are no longer "locked-in" and I haven't withdrawn.  Does that mean they are still earning interest at the original offer?
1536  Economy / Securities / Re: RSM - (120GH/s)/2600shares 46MH/s(0.30BTC) a share 1GH/s for 6.50BTC - post ASIC on: August 25, 2012, 10:22:27 PM
RSM's current wallet is BTC48.804 with us expecting BTC113.303 on delivery of the ModMiner we sold.  So with the BTC162.107 we will purchase our second BFL SC Single 40GH/s ASIC and save the rest for import VAT.  Meaning we will be at 80GH/s over ~1900 shares or over 42MH/s per share.  If we can sell the 654 shares on offer at BTC0.30 we can purchase our third BFL SC Single 40GH/s ASIC.  Taking us to 120GH/s over 2600 shares or over 46MH/s per share.  We have purchased a Atom N2800 low wattage PC to cut our electricity running costs.  The CPU only uses 6.5W.  I think we need to purchase a Kill-O-Watt meter to properly account for electricity costs.
1537  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: [Rebuilding...]P2Pmining.com-Hybrid P2Pool-NO FEE!!!-LTC/NMC/IXC/I0C/DEV on: August 25, 2012, 09:48:13 PM
I plan on using this pool once I have my ASIC's  Smiley  Tho that probably won't be for three months yet  Embarrassed
1538  Economy / Trading Discussion / Fastest and cheapest method to withdraw GBP to UK from MtGox IBAN or SWIFT/BIC?? on: August 25, 2012, 06:28:27 PM
With Intersango UK bank account being closed I need a new GBP withdrawal method for funds to my UK bank account.  Using the MtGox withdrawal wizard it offers me to either enter my IBAN or SWIFT/BIC code.  I have both IBAN and BIC codes which method is the cheapest and fastest and how much does it cost.  HSBC tell me to use both IBAN and BIC codes together - http://www.business.hsbc.co.uk/1/2/international-business/iban-bic - but MtGox offers me the option to enter one or the other.  Also MtGox have a UK Barclay account why can't they process UK GBP withdrawals with that.  Thanks for any advice in advance.
1539  Economy / Securities / Re: Weekly loss of N% guaranteed - Enjoy perpetual loss with fixed Mh/s mining turds on: August 25, 2012, 02:22:45 AM
Your views are so distorted on mining and bonds its ridiculous. Mining is more profitable right now, then it was this time last year. A bond worth 10mhash pays just as much as mining 10mhash yourself. Bonds hold their value when the btc price changes just like mining equipment.

Holding the price of a mining bond at a set btc amount or having dividends paid that way is ridiculous. If you don't think so write up a contract that way. Even if it was possible, there would be nothing safe about having your initial investment or dividends always hold the same btc amount. If the price of btc dropped down to 6 dollars you would have lost half your investment. If the value of btc went up, who would buy that bond? Not the issuer, he spent your investment on mining equipment to pay your dividends. Since the btc price went up he owes you more then that equipment is even worth now. With the increased price came increased difficulty, now he can't even pay dividends and is about to default on the contract.  No one else is buying your bond either, your asking way to much for it. They decide to buy the bond from the new issuer like yours, except that it came out after the price went up. Of course this is assuming anyone would be stupid enough to purchase them in the first place.



When you get a car loan your payments dont decrease because the car depreciates in value. A bond is a loan and you should get back your principal + your interest. Otherwise you are better off just loaning coins to Patrick Harnett at a constant 1% a week return.

Investing with Patrick relies on him not messing up.  With RSM - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=63257.0 - you own a share of all the hardware, wallet and anything else of value as long as you trust me not to disappear.  Major investors can be added to my personal Facebook page where I have over thirty family members all confirmed by relationship.
1540  Economy / Securities / Re: Weekly loss of N% guaranteed - Enjoy perpetual loss with fixed Mh/s mining t on: August 25, 2012, 01:56:04 AM
I agree buying a fixed MH/s rate perpetual bond in bitcoin mining doesn't make sense with the long term trend in increasing network difficulty hash-rate.  That's why at RSM - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=63257.0 - you own actually own a share of all the hardware, wallet and anything else of value.  With us also saving between 90% to 50% of mining profits (to be decided by motion) to purchase more ASIC's to increase the MH/s a share-rate to beat the long term trend in growth increasing network difficulty hash-rate.  Meaning our share price value shouldn't decrease on the long term trend of increasing network difficulty like fixed rate bonds but actually grow and with that you will get a weekly dividend.

But what you describe is a share of a bitcoin mining operation, which is totally different than a fixed hash bond. A fixed share bond only makes sense to buy if you think the difficulty will go down, which has not happened even when the bitcoin price dropped by an order of magnitude.

If difficult goes down on a long term trend then that means bitcoin is going (down) out of use on a long term trend.
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