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1541  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What Money System Worked? on: February 04, 2020, 06:22:42 PM
But the physical realm is not immune to scam. Suppose you have 100 gram coins, someone could start "chipping" them so they each lose 1 gr, after chipping 100 coins you get 1 "free" coin right? actually you just stole that from others. Sometimes they add back the lost gram but using a cheaper metal, and sometimes the practice was done by the State. Indeed in the Roman empire it was done that way

This cannot be done in the digital world, not with something as secure as bitcoin, where every little satoshi is accounted for. With physical coins you would have to carefully check each coin, this is unscalable and unpractical. If if you get a "certificate", you its different than trusting a bank "to keep it stored...". You trust whoever certified it, and besides the physical good could always be tampered with after certification.

Therefore Bitcoin is more secure than gold.

in the sense of counterfeiting, yes. there are other considerations, however. for example, if quantum computers were to break ECDSA tomorrow, it would irreparably harm bitcoin. gold is not vulnerable to such cryptographic vulnerabilities nor power grid/internet failures. in those senses, gold is more secure.

in the end, bitcoin may have superior monetary properties and potential utility, but i believe both will stand side by side as store-of-value assets in the future.
1542  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Poker talk - Specifically Hold'em - Hands and or strategy on: February 04, 2020, 10:30:57 AM
if we're calling w/ AKs or AKo then we should be calling with QQ. right?
i wonder if it really was a good fold. like you said---pretty much what you expected but in the wrong players hands. QQ is winning 45% of the time there 3-way. https://www.cardplayer.com/poker-tools/odds-calculator/texas-holdem
high variance for sure though. that's issue #1. issue #2 is the larger range question---the likelihood that AA or KK is in the mix.
Had to get home to check something. I figured our odds had to be a little worse given we wouldn't know what they had. So I ran it through equilab. it came out with this. I used UTG raise range and BB defend against a UTG raise range then gave you QQ, I was surprised that it turns out my anticipated holdings for both were essentially backwards. I guess that's what happens when you make assumptions. I didn't have a chance to run it through icmizer… I thought I had it downloaded but I wanted to see how much stack sizes would play into the numbers. The math still says you should be good ~1/3 times but for tournament life it just feels wrong.  

      Equity     Win     Tie
MP2    25.39%  23.10%   2.29% { 99+, AJs+, KQs, AQo+ }
CO    35.93%  34.65%   1.27% { QhQs }
SB    38.68%  36.09%   2.59% { JJ+, AKs, AKo }

good stuff! yeah, when approaching 1/3 equity for tourney life, it's probably not justifiable. if my equity were closer to 45% (like the simple QQ vs AKo vs 99 example) i might take the shot at tripling up. MTTs are a numbers game, and chipping up early is an important consideration. especially in that situation, where i had late regged and only had 1.5x the starting stack.

i guess that's what i get for playing $6 and $11 tournaments lately? Smiley
Splashing around in my pond lol. Were you in the cyclone?? I busted 2 bullets in 3.5 hours and was done with it. I will likely play it again but with a tighter approach to many loose plays and jams with that smaller buy-in I found. I have been picking better tournaments lately though which I think will help me play more profitably... given I learn from my mistakes like last night.

i was in the cyclone, yes. same here, two shots and out. Grin

tbh ACR has been an adjustment for me. i haven't played much online poker in years so maybe it's just that i'm rusty, but i feel like their non-turbo tourney structures are still faster than ideal for my style. it's not so much the minutes/level but the structures themselves, although i do really miss 15+ minute blinds. and because of the lack of constant action, i find myself late regging more than i should. so there's a lot more shove fest action than i'd like.

i'm actually thinking of playing around with some more loose/aggressive, splashy ranges in the early/mid stages.
1543  Economy / Speculation / Re: Will Bitcoin Correct to $6,500? on: February 03, 2020, 11:49:43 PM
I've been in-between moving back to USDT and hodling my Bitcoin in the hopes it may reach the psychological price of $10,000. But this voice in my head that just won't go away says, a heavy dump to $6,500 is on the way. I just hate to get my hopes up high and then dashed again.

Any thoughts?

reaching the $6000s again looks unlikely to me. there was a weekly double bottom there, and also a monthly dragonfly doji---an indication of bullish reversal. https://commodity.com/technical-analysis/dragonfly-doji/

based on just about any metric, the uptrend since mid-december is also significantly stronger than the bull traps from last july, august, and october. everything suggests a new bull market IMO. it's just that price doesn't go up in a straight line---there will be plenty of pullbacks along the way.

dropping to the $8000s and testing important levels like the 200dma is probable. i could even see a quick flush to the upper $7000s. but the $6000s are completely off the table IMO.
1544  Economy / Gambling / Re: Bitcointalk Poker Night @ Sportsbet (Private game exclusively for forum members) on: February 03, 2020, 11:17:56 PM
it sounds like there is a rough consensus forming re time of day. make it 5pm UTC (or later) and i'll add 0.0025 BTC to the prize pool for fun. Smiley

how about the date for the next game? anybody up for the weekend after next---february 15th or 16th?
1545  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Poker talk - Specifically Hold'em - Hands and or strategy on: February 03, 2020, 10:56:58 PM
i had no reads on Villain 1, so yeah, i folded. if it weren't for the UTG call i would have snap called the oversized jam in order to chip up. what they both showed surprised me. this is how it played out:
Okay I did not expect that. Pretty much the holdings I expected just in the wrong players hands, and to hit 4 to a flush for the win what a way to double up +. Good fold. I'm torn on folding in these multiway all-ins sometimes as people either come in nutted or just tossing darts with mid connectors. I imagine that will die down a bit if I earn my way up to higher stakes, but for now I'm generally out unless I'm rocking AA, KK, and AKs and offsuit if I'm not at risk.

if we're calling w/ AKs or AKo then we should be calling with QQ. right?

i wonder if it really was a good fold. like you said---pretty much what you expected but in the wrong players hands. QQ is winning 45% of the time there 3-way. https://www.cardplayer.com/poker-tools/odds-calculator/texas-holdem

high variance for sure though. that's issue #1. issue #2 is the larger range question---the likelihood that AA or KK is in the mix.

great minds think alike, or fools never differ? Lips sealed
my c-bet sizing was intended to steal the pot, while also repping value on the flush draw. a semi-bluff, essentially.
i shoved on him. i figured that a fold was unlikely but possible, and that i had given myself the proper pot odds given the overcard and flush draw. i did not anticipate villain hitting bottom 2 pair on the flop however:
thanks for taking a look at these. i had a few more interesting hands today. i'm gonna glance through my history and see if they got saved....
Wow, I must say I'm amazed he called pf with that. It's not bad to maybe a 2-2.5X RFI, but I wouldn't be defending the BB with those cards given the situation. It's funny I kept thinking about this hand for a couple hours afterwards going back and forth on the jam/call.

i guess that's what i get for playing $6 and $11 tournaments lately? Smiley

How I got elimed though was just a big stack being splashy and lucky. I had watched him Suck out on 5 players to this point which was great for the ladder, until I was a rung. Hero BB defend 2.5X with AJo against BTN, board came up 3 5 9 rainbow. Checks through, then a J on the turn, he jams and I call. Villain shows J5o. In retrospect the only thing I could have done is 3-bet pf, and I likely should have. I made that maneuver earlier on against the same player, the sizing though for an effective 3-bet should have been around 4X which would have been about 45% of my stack. If I'm going to go for it I almost have to jam, would have been about 1/3 of their stack. I can't even be sure they would have folded. Not sure what I will do in the future.

i like a pre-flop shove there, it's a value shove against a splashy better. we're happy to steal but we have a strong showdown hand as well.
1546  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Taproot proposal on: February 03, 2020, 07:42:47 PM
in theory. in practice, most coinjoins are very obvious on-chain, and some exchange customers are paying the price for it. taproot, cross-input aggregation, and less obvious coinjoin mechanisms will mitigate this in the future, but for now all i can say is, be careful of your proximity to exchanges and AML/KYC enforcing services when engaging in coinjoins.
When an exchange harms your privacy applying weird heuristic to your transaction before or (worst) after using them, just stop using it.
I started a thread on this exact fact: [PAXOS+COINJOIN]Your privacy is a threat to exchange business?#deletepaxos

people should absolutely "vote with their money" and leave such exchanges, if that's a viable option for them.

that doesn't address the larger issue though. we need to consider what people actually do by default. think about why the maker/taker fee model is so prevalent: because the vast majority of market participants are liquidity takers. further, there is zero indication that privacy is a priority for most of them. they will continue seeking out the highest liquidity exchanges, who all seem to be ratcheting up their AML standards one by one.

so while i agree with you, i don't think that's a viable solution long term. privacy advocates will just have less and less services at their disposal, with worse and worse liquidity. what we need are better coinjoin solutions so that we can slip through unnoticed with the the rest of the masses---so we aren't at a constant disadvantage re liquidity. this will take some time.....probably years.

wasabi wallet was groundbreaking as a first step, but its coinjoin implementation obviously puts its users at a great disadvantage re existing blockchain analysis heuristics. that's a problem we can't afford to ignore.
1547  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Taproot proposal on: February 03, 2020, 06:58:09 PM
I think it is worth noting that chainanalysis is based on very weak heutistics.
The reality is there is nothing linking an address to another one. (taking to the extreme, even a transaction with one input and one output).  And each steps those heuristics become weaker and weaker every step down the chain analysis.

indeed, there are layers upon layers of deniability baked in. there are other privacy pitfalls that could play a role, like browser/cookie analysis and IP address/bloom filter analysis by adversarial nodes. even then, the notion of getting a jury to convict based on this kind of chain of evidence is a tossup at best. blockchain analysis companies are generally working off a huge number of assumptions and that will become obvious to any jurors studying their protocols.
 
By the way batch transactions (output aggregation) togheter with coinjoin (input + output aggregation) are the best practices to transact over the bitcoin protocol. The fact that these techniques aren't implemented in "basic" wallets is not relevant. Everyone should always transact this way for every of his transaction.

in theory (actually this is arguable since coinjoin transactions are always currently more expensive).

in practice, most coinjoins are very obvious on-chain, and some exchange customers are paying the price for it. taproot, cross-input aggregation, and less obvious coinjoin mechanisms will mitigate this in the future, but for now all i can say is, be careful of your proximity to exchanges and AML/KYC enforcing services when engaging in coinjoins.
1548  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: ln_strike- a good sign for the Layer 2 Bitcoin Network.From fiat to btc in a sec on: February 03, 2020, 11:55:08 AM
What's going to be the deal with this and compliance? Is the person proposing it operating a company that'll run it? It is effectively an exchange in itself.

I can imagine banks spraying out an army of kittens at the idea of this.

interesting question. at first glance, it seems more like a payment processor (like bitpay in reverse) than an exchange. but it's actually a lot more versatile, since invoices can be effectively used as buys and sells:

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Can Strike be used to buy bitcoin? Sure, create an invoice from your existing wallet and pay it. After completion, you’ll have less fiat in Strike and more bitcoin in your wallet.

Can Strike be used to sell bitcoin? Sure, create a request in Strike and send to it from your wallet. After completion, you’ll have more fiat in Strike and less bitcoin in your wallet.

i really don't understand how it works under the hood. where is the BTC to fulfill invoices being sourced from? it seems like there must be a centralized market making mechanism to be able to instantly fulfill the requests.
1549  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Poker talk - Specifically Hold'em - Hands and or strategy on: February 02, 2020, 11:41:45 PM
hand #1:
the table had been pretty damn aggressive, so i was tempted to RRAI as my first action, but it felt weird 3bet jamming with 30 BBs, ya know?
how would you have played it pre-flop? can we possibly have the odds to call here?
Well we know I'm already so bad at giving up paired broadways. QQ was right on the cusp and completely situational. This one I would have probably folded. I know you said they had been aggressive, but how loose was the UTG with his entire stack? I'm less worried about the SB big stack because I think he's trying to isolate or push you guys off. The call from UTG, makes me think AA or KK, maybe something like AK but not much else given he's going into 2 people and probably assumes you are committed.

i had no reads on Villain 1, so yeah, i folded. if it weren't for the UTG call i would have snap called the oversized jam in order to chip up. what they both showed surprised me. this is how it played out:

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Dealt to Hero [Qs Qh]
Villain 1 raises to 500.00
Hero raises to 1734.00
Villain 2 raises to 24354.00 and is all-in
Villain 1 calls 11493.00 and is all-in
Hero folds [Qs Qh]
Uncalled bet (12361.00) returned to Villain 2
*** FLOP *** [2s 4s 7s]
Main pot 26240.00
*** TURN *** [2s 4s 7s] [4c]
Main pot 26240.00
*** RIVER *** [2s 4s 7s 4c] [As]
Main pot 26240.00
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Main pot 26240.00
Villain 2 shows [Kh Ac] (two pair, Aces and Fours [As Ac 4s 4c Kh])
Villain 1 shows [9c 9s] (a flush, Ace high [As 9s 7s 4s 2s])
Villain 1 collected 26240.00 from main pot

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hand #2:
I can't believe I'm saying this but I would likely be putting him All-in guessing he has an overpair or maybe something like 88 or 99, he might just be assuming you missed the board and were bluffing your c-bet. With him not jamming there I'm guessing he's hoping for a fold. I'm guessing with your bet size you were hoping to hit the flush and get stacks in anyways once you were sure. You could just flat it and see the turn to save some chips but some people will still fold holding on to their last 10BB or so.

Now given how late it is and that it would leave you with sub 20 BB, it could be a case for just folding them and waiting for something more sure.

great minds think alike, or fools never differ? Lips sealed

my c-bet sizing was intended to steal the pot, while also repping value on the flush draw. a semi-bluff, essentially.

i shoved on him. i figured that a fold was unlikely but possible, and that i had given myself the proper pot odds given the overcard and flush draw. i did not anticipate villain hitting bottom 2 pair on the flop however:

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Dealt to Hero [Kh 9h]
Hero raises to 1200.00
Villain calls 900.00

*** FLOP *** [3h Td 5h]
Main pot 3375.00
Villain checks
Hero bets 2531.00
Villain raises to 8859.00
Hero raises 19526.00 to 22057.00 and is all-in
Villain calls 3766.00 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (9432.00) returned to Hero
*** TURN *** [3h Td 5h] [7s]
Main pot 28625.00
*** RIVER *** [3h Td 5h 7s] [Qs]
Main pot 28625.00
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Main pot 28625.00
Villain shows [5s 3c] (two pair, Fives and Threes [5s 5h 3h 3c Qs])
Hero shows [Kh 9h] (a high card, King high [Kh Qs Td 9h 7s])
Villain collected 28625.00 from main pot

thanks for taking a look at these. i had a few more interesting hands today. i'm gonna glance through my history and see if they got saved....
1550  Economy / Exchanges / Re: QuadrigaCX: $190 million locked after founder died in December 2018 on: February 02, 2020, 07:06:04 PM
If the body is exhumed and identified as Cotton then it further narrows possibilities about what happened but a post-mortem might help and if the exhumation shows it was not the body of Cotton then why on earth was the dead body of another person brought back to Canada and passed off as his for burial?

Intriguing....

either way, i'm extremely skeptical about the "lost private keys" explanation. cotten appeared to be running quadrigaCX in a very fraudulent manner---for example, storing quadrigaCX funds on other exchanges. as jesse powell points out in that thread, it's also just a theme we have seen all too many times in crypto:

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the circumstances in the month leading up to this make it extremely suspect. It's like a Gox/Cryptsy combo. Fiat problems, crypto withdrawals up, capitulate/vanish.

assuming that quadrigaCX even had cold storage at all is almost like taking craig wright's claims about the tulip trust at face value. there is nothing i have found that supports the narrative that the cold storage keys died with cotten. it's just something his wife and the other executives are claiming. so if he really is dead, i hope his death doesn't lend credence to their narrative. his death wouldn't prove that a massive fraud was not occurring.
1551  Economy / Exchanges / Re: LBC on: February 02, 2020, 06:45:02 PM
Paxful hasn't asked me to do KYC, but I've only traded small amounts.

prepare yourself. it only takes $1500 in total trade volume or wallet activity to trigger mandatory KYC on paxful. the limit is even lower on localbitcoins (€1000/year).

avoid both of them and use localcryptos instead. the reasons why are simple:

1. No KYC required to use the platform.
2. Non-custodial. You have control over your funds (you can export the private keys).
3. Better UI/UX.
4. Support in-person (cash) transactions (unlike LBC).
1552  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Poker talk - Specifically Hold'em - Hands and or strategy on: February 02, 2020, 03:24:21 AM
i played a few low stakes MTTs today. here are a couple interesting spots that came up. i'm wondering if there are some leaks i can plug.

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hand #1:

Level 9 (125.00/250.00)
9-handed
Hero (CO) (7353.00)
Villain 1 (UTG) (12023.00)
Villain 2 (SB) (24384.00)

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Main pot 270.00
Dealt to Hero [Qs Qh]
Villain 1 raises to 500.00
Hero raises to 1734.00
Villain 2 raises to 24354.00 and is all-in
Villain 1 calls 11493.00 and is all-in

the table had been pretty damn aggressive, so i was tempted to RRAI as my first action, but it felt weird 3bet jamming with 30 BBs, ya know?

how would you have played it pre-flop? can we possibly have the odds to call here?

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hand #2:

Level 15 (300.00/600.00)
6-handed
Villain (SB) (13900.00)
Hero (LJ) (23332.00)

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Main pot 375.00
Dealt to Hero [Kh 9h]
Hero raises to 1200.00
Villain calls 900.00

*** FLOP *** [3h Td 5h]
Main pot 3375.00
Villain checks
Hero bets 2531.00
Villain raises to 8859.00
1553  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2019-12-26] Binance Blockade of Wasabi Wallet Could Point to a Crypto Crack-Up on: February 01, 2020, 08:54:11 PM
I'll be happy to buy these tainted coins at a few cents on the dollar.

you and me both, but good luck actually finding discounts like that. the OTC markets (especially in china, russia, etc) can swallow up so much "tainted" supply and wash them back into the exchange economy, that you'll never find people who are that desperate to offload coins. as the OTC markets grow larger---and as actual p2p/b2b usage grows (removing the need for centralized exchanges at all)---fungibility will only further improve.

between this and protocol-level privacy improvements like taproot (and someday, cross-input aggregation), i see bright days ahead for bitcoin's fungibility.
1554  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Poker talk - Specifically Hold'em - Hands and or strategy on: February 01, 2020, 11:44:17 AM
Hand #3
Hero UTG [As Qh]

paired boards are tough, especially when playing them OOP. i like a check-call on the river. we already built this pot up enough.

Hand #4
Hero LJ [8s 8d]

i like how you played it post-flop. i'm not sure how i feel about the pre-flop call for a 1/5 of our stack, since we're OOP and 88 is often tough to play post-flop. the flopped set made it easy, but that's not what will usually happen.

Hand #5
Hero UTG+1 [Qc Qs]

i'd be betting hard on the turn, maybe even just jamming depending on the villain. against a donk-ish player, you will run into KT or backdoor straight/flushes a non-zero amount of time but i still think this is the right move.

Hand #6
Hero BB [5s As]

iffy spot. i don't really like value betting the river OOP with a weak ace after getting called down on the turn. i'm probably check-folding here, maybe calling a weak bet.

EDIT: this is villain-dependent. there are situations where i'd bet the river to get him to fold if he's the type to call down on A-high or K-high earlier in the pot. it's a shitty spot OOP though. he wasn't calling on flush draws, and if he was calling on straight draws, he could have hit or rivered top pair. then there's the possibility of A3 or slow playing A7 or maybe even X3s (though that calls for a pretty donk-ish UTG+1 RFI range).

i'm curious to see how this played out.....

Hand #7
Hero HJ [Th Ts]

i'm snap calling this. lots of villains will do this with garbage, thinking you're just c-betting a missed board. or he's got the flush draw/pair and we've got the right pot odds to call.
1555  Economy / Exchanges / Re: [List] Instant exchanges on: January 31, 2020, 11:13:43 PM
@OmegaStarScream i recommend adding a new heading (like "scam accusations") under changelly, changehero, and similar exchanges. most people probably won't scroll to the bottom to read the legend.

Also, why keep exchanges like Changelly and Changehero on the list? They are shady at the least, and if people use this thread as a basis to go changelly and get their coins stuck or anything, then the whole point of this thread would be in vain.

i still see lots of people who swear by changelly (some of whom posted in this thread). it reminds me of the situation with BTC-E a few years ago: the vast majority of people had no issues with them, but a few people got selectively scammed. that was enough to paint their bitcointalk account red, but nevertheless, BTC-E was still widely trusted across the entire ecosystem. i used (and trusted) BTC-E until the day they were taken down.

maybe there is some middle ground here?
1556  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Why new crypto enthusiasts have to repeat losses by scammers again? on: January 31, 2020, 09:41:41 PM
It doesn't really matter how many warnings there are. If you believe anything you read online, and trust random people chances are you will get scammed one day.

^^ hits the nail on the head. this issue really boils down to human nature and gullibility.

get scammed a couple times, and you will develop an inherent skepticism towards con men and would be scammers. unfortunately, this sense can't be learned by reading a couple warnings. it's something most noobs will unfortunately need to learn through experience.
1557  Economy / Reputation / Re: Trust System Abuse By Nullius on: January 31, 2020, 08:51:22 PM
this is the default trust system on display, right here.
Well null was removed from DT for it quite quickly, so it kinda works..

that's probably due to the frivolous tag against TECSHARE more than anything else. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5221450.msg53725442#msg53725442

who knows for sure, but my long term observation is that lesser known members (like Kalemder) are rarely given the same consideration in the face of unproven accusations. that's just the sad reality.

Are you actually trying to lend their point further credence or rile them up some more??

how would i be lending their point credence? Cheesy

if anything i'm trying to rile myself up into leaving counter feedback, since i know it will lead to more unfounded accusations against me. i'm already called a "trust abuser" / "scam defender" / "malicious distractor" because i asked for actual real proof or consistency in DT feedback a couple times. Smiley

Can’t we all take a step back, stop reacting emotionally and all smoke a fat J before responding

all day, everyday.....
1558  Economy / Reputation / Re: Trust System Abuse By Nullius on: January 31, 2020, 07:24:09 PM
What's wrong with advising him to either produce the evidence or remove the tag, otherwise likely be removed from DT?

nothing.

why is no one bothered by this whole attitude of "we have an active investigation into this perp, he's guilty, no need to provide evidence, trust us"....? police, judge, jury, and executioner all rolled into one, and with DT privileges too.

this is the default trust system on display, right here.
1559  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Exchanges are now potentially banning btc sent to a mixing/conjoin services on: January 31, 2020, 08:38:19 AM
If I am in those situations, I will send my bitcoin to another wallet, and then I will send it into mixing services. That will solve the problem without they know that we send the bitcoin to the mixing.

if you're using wasabi wallet for coinjoins, that's probably not good enough. in fact, the first example in the OP put multiple hops between his exchange withdrawal and the coinjoin. he still got flagged.
1560  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Can Bitcoin protocol be changed to allow for a larger supply? on: January 31, 2020, 05:42:57 AM
Maybe one day someone will make a concerted effort to do it. Everyone else will laugh in their tits. I'll be drooling in my euthanasia booth by then so don't care.
If I remember correctly, Peter Todd was advocating of removing the 21 million supply cap for bitcoin to have a forever 1% inflation for security purposes.

he never actually advocated for it. he just said bitcoin should have been implemented that way. he knows that it would never happen!

Quote from: peter todd
IMO Bitcoin should have had an explicit 1%/year or so security tax, implemented via inflation...but even then you can't guarantee all BTC users will use Bitcoin, which means fees for security still needed as a backup.
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