Great.

We should also notice #MillionMaskMarch that's going on (and is trending) and also engage with them. They should be natural first adapters, no?

So now TaoOfSaatoshi and whomever else is active on Twitter should re-tweet this thingie using hashtag #RollingStone and than again, tweet a message to them with a bit of DRK related data, via @RollingStone while in the tweet they should also use the hashtag #RollingStone and #bitcoin and as the third and the last one #darkcoin...

It would reach more people if the tweet is re-tweeted and hashtags used.

Precisely. Exponential growth is an immensely powerful concept people often underestimate. Remember the award king offered to the sage who invented chess?

The sage asked for a few grains of rice in the following manner: the king was to put a single grain of rice on the first chess square and double it on every consequent one.  1 grain on the first square, 2 on the second, 4 on the third, 8 on the fourth and so on (16, 32, 64, 128, 256, 512, 1024... does not too look impressive)

But than: "On the fortieth square the king would have had to put 1,000,000,000 grains of rice. And, finally on the sixty fourth square the king would have had to put more than 18,000,000,000,000,000,000 grains of rice which is equal to about 210 billion tons and is allegedly sufficient to cover the whole territory of India with a meter thick layer of rice. At ten grains of rice per square inch, the above amount requires rice fields covering twice the surface area of the Earth, oceans included."

We don't need to cover the Earth with Darkcoins, but if the shadow economy is 20% of the world's GDP, if ONLY 1% of all the people in the world value their privacy, we'd have 72,722,000 people potentially interested in Darkcoin. And if ONLY 10% of the 1% of all the people who value their privacy, we'd still have 7,272,200 people that might wish to use Darkcoin. Last time I checked there were only 36,494 DRK addresses or only 0.5% of the 10% of the 1%      

The potential is mind-bogglingly ENORMOUS!! "You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mindbogglingly big it is."

(I am more excited than usual for flare has set up a MN for me today so I am happy - an old fart relic from the yesteryear wants to play with wiz kids of today, hehehe... and be a part of the most exiting development since the invention of WWW)

It is really serious.

When the fascists can openly spew their nonsense, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/11206398/Britains-spy-chief-says-US-tech-firms-aid-terrorism.html just imagine what they privately think about a tool of freedom, which Darkcoin could be for all of us.

Fucking unbelievable what has become of the so-called West, a criminal syndicate-like pan-fascist monstrosity...

I think it's a simple fascist formula in place; you access that funny site via Tor, they now know who uses Tor and let the Overlords' minions know and voila!, yet another name added to the list of terrorists, enemies of the vaterland and so on...

That's funny. Now they can collect even more data through whatever crack

I am sorry DarkTor idea has been abandoned, at least for now...

Also, Bitfinex!

I'd raise a red flag with them. My balances were wrong. All of them. (I was in margin) Numbers were, how to put it, skewed, in their favor, of course. I wrote to everyone, with a precise calculation describing where the "error" lies.

Never got a reply. I decided to take a hit, sell with (stated, erroneous) loss and withdrew everything. If an account's balances could be fraudulent...

With whom you're talking - all these quotes confuse me  

If you're talking to me, I have no clue what you're talking about. I said I purchased more and was making a case the people are buying. I bought today. If you were not talking to me, even better

There are only 35,998 people holding Darkcoin at the moment, out of which top thousand own 68.49% of all outstanding coins.

This hardly represents a majority to which "broke" should easily apply. For these Top 1000 holders, an average holding is 3,291 DRK i.e. $5,594.70 in average, per today's price. In this fucked up, pillaged economy, a normal, "broke" person does not have $5.5K to plunge into such an innovative, high-risk investment.

And, these people were buying as the coin's price was sinking...

At the moment of weakness I sold 50% of my Darkcoins - the part I was able to sell with a tiny profit - but today I bought all of them, and more, back. So, now I have more Darkcoins than ever before but on the rich list I've fallen for several hundred places.

This tells me the people were buying during this last month as the price kept falling. Why the price is falling is still a mystery to me, though...

Don't forget that in the land of the free "the brave" are allowing all that fascists shit to happen.

I DREAD 2016 when "the brave" will be, all over again, "engaged" in a political charade and will, no matter which puppet will represent Despicable or Repulsive wing of the fascists oligarchs in power, support "their own candidate," no matter if he or she is Charlotte Clinton Mezvinsky, Mickey Mouse or Jeb Bush or any other marketing creation. Fucking sickening.

That's why I cling on my crypto as the only hope and the only sign of sanity in the world ruled by the Financial Crime Cartel, War against fucking everything forever Complex and its treasonous puppets in so-called "government".

Grrr. Om... om... om.... om...  

Not a single number in my "experimental account" on Bitfinex makes any sense. Thus far they are not helpful but I just started a discussion on the topic.

"Base Price" shows an aggregate number that above any BTC price when purchased;
"Margin Balance" does not compute right (BTC amount x last price gives a totally different number, much lower than it should have been) and thusly,
"Net Balance" is not correct.

Has anyone else had similar problem?

Same here and, on so many levels even worse, but that I emphasized above most likely defines a real you. Don't forget, many a general lost a battle in its last minutes, many a horse fell over the last hurdle. Everything that seems impossible is, in fact impossible, until it happens.

Since that legendary "first pizza" (purchased for 10,000 BTC in 2009 or 2010 I think) Bitcoin has been accepted to over 30,000 or 40,000 places. Those "average person on the street" are latecomers to everything and we, the enthusiastic crowd, we see things well too early, we enter new stuff well too early, we "early adopters" we dreamers, we the people prone to risk it all. It is not by a chance that "avant-garde" term was originally used to describe the foremost part of an army advancing into battle, "the vanguard, a small troop of highly skilled soldiers, explores the terrain ahead of a large advancing army and plots a course for the army to follow," therefore, well too often also the first casualties.

Today, everything moves in such an insane pace that we're all getting insanely inpatient. Marshall McLuhan rightly wrote: "“What may emerge as the most important insight of the twenty-first century is that man was not designed to live at the speed of light. Without the countervailing balance of natural and physical laws, the new video-related media will make man implode upon himself. As he sits in the informational control room, whether at home or at work, receiving data at enormous speeds – imagistic, sound, or tactile – from all areas of the world, the results could be dangerously inflating and schizophrenic. His body will remain in one place but his mind will float out into the electronic void, being everywhere at once on the data bank.” -- and this seem precisely what we are all going through.

BUT -- Darkcoin is less than a year old.

How old were you when you started to walk? To run? And in the long run - in our case "long run" might even be a short several months or several years - this could even return a hefty profit. You're not the one to quit, I am not the one to quit, Evan is not the one to quit so why should not see all this crisis as a chance; a chance to build, to innovate, to hoard coins, to promote them, to simply enjoy the times in which the regime that wants to enslave us all, for the first time has an enemy (free people) who uses tools (crypto) they yet have to understand before even trying to defeat it.

Yes, we have loses. Yes, we suffer. Yes, our work makes no sense today, but does not - being a part of something UNBELIEVABLY POWERFUL, an avant-garde movement that has a potential to change the world - offsets some of the pain?

Not a single number in my "experimental account" on Bitfinex makes any sense. Thus far they are not helpful but I just started a discussion on the topic.

"Base Price" shows an aggregate number that above any BTC price when purchased;
"Margin Balance" does not compute right (BTC amount x last price gives a totally different number, much lower than it should have been) and thusly,
"Net Balance" is not correct.

Has anyone else had similar problem?

... but this total oppression really started to piss me off.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/authorities-harm-sending-military-vehicle-elderly-couple-property-article-1.1989935

It is not Ebola that attacked this country; it is governmental Rabbies that is so fucking pervasive...

From them:

Thanks for contacting us. I apologize, but at this time there are no plans to add additional payment methods. Please do not hesitate to let me know if there are further questions. Thanks,

Calien M, Level II Tech Support
Private Internet AccessTM

So, tomorrow I am asking for the same via my other e-mail / account -- and, as said, if 1,000 ++ people would ask for the same...

Done. I told them that as "a user of both Private Internet Access and Darkcoin, I think Private Internet Access™ would be perfectly aligned with the only one privacy oriented crypto currency, that is Darkcoin," so if 1,000 ++ people (there are more than 1,800 registered users on darkcointalk) ask them to start accepting DRK...

Ticket ID: RLL-983-55306
Subject: Darkcoin
Department: Sales
Type: Issue
Status: Open
Priority: Normal

Aren't you mistaking philosophy with promotion? I think since the start darkcoins philosophy has been lightyears ahead of all the other coins.
It singlehandedly started the whole anonymous coin movement, and it remains the flag ship of cryptocurrencies that is sailing far out in uncharted waters.

You are correct. I did mistake the philosophy - that was clearly stated from Evan's original withe paper - with the promotion of it. Nothing wrong with the messy message during the adoption process but still...


Being a fan is one thing, setting up a perception the said fan is almost an official representative of the coin and its community, on Twitter, is another. I did try to help Tao and I always said that I admire his efforts, but am I not having a right to express my opinion without being accused of being mean?


Again, my bad for not being crystal clear. "Development in crypto world," was not a reference to Bitcoin development version but to the developments in adoption of the BTC as money / financial asset / store of value, you name it; I was referring to Bitcoin acceptance rate. Over 30,000 businesses are accepting BTC. I mean even PayPal, as seen in their payment hub, has integrated Bitcoin much faster that anyone has expected.

So, perhaps I should have said the speed of developments around Bitcoin is mind-boggling.



ufff -- finally something not totally off the mark 

I love this discussion.

It emphasizes what I wrote several days ago: The only problem I see with the Darkcoin at this moment in time is a lack of direction in its philosophy. Is it going to be a subversive element, a part of the shadow economy (20% of the world's economy is the shadow economy) or a tool for us to start building a new society free of oppression and tyranny or is it going to strive to become a mainstream coin in the vein of Bitcoin? Options are many but our plans, our direction, our philosophy are not. Thusly, we do not generate enough enthusiasm in the wider community of crypto enthusiasts; what is left seems to be only a bunch of nerds getting it and having some fun doing it, but no many others.

I still believe that #getintothedark & The Darkcoin Chameleon were (are) a nonsense that hurt because it had been perceived as not serious, while semi-official representative of the Darkcoin community, and as such is a spitting image of the key problem, outlined above in the red.

I don't believe we can wait for three years as that last article suggests, given the speed of development crypto world is witnessing. I wrote several suggestions on Darkcoin talk that I hope would not hurt to be repeated, in order to help this discusssion:

Visibility is everything, so say:

    - TanteStefana and / or David (a new writer) start from the start (articles about Darkcoin origins, DarkSend, "How to... " buy / trade / invest;
    - fernando or someone good with this creates a simple animation video, explaining the same in a more visual way;
    - another video, more sophisticated may be in place as well;
    - get transcripts for these videos; https://www.speechpad.com/ $1.00 for a minute and post it in a blog;
    - SYNDICATE all content (Twitter, FB, blog) and use all RSS feeds. Point in case, Review Outlaw has a video on mining Darkcoin here:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNpEmo3y0VQ so his channel is @ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOvN3fb1NyriX4SVgVj02SA so his RSS feed is @
    https://gdata.youtube.com/feeds/base/users/reviewoutlaw/uploads

    Ping all that to all RSS syndication services. Transcripts as well. Tweet them;

    - See could Twitter / FB API alow syndicating this Forum posts, or at least, the developer's updates;
    - Figure out how to get Evan and Ape to be guests on Max Keiser show (just ask him - PRIVACY is the key);
    - if not, interview him for Darkcoins own YT channel.

    Syndicate;

    - "anarchy is to act like you're already free" so get in touch with David Graeber, an anarchist and a professor, but also the author of Debt: The First Five Thousand Years so he knows about money and he would have something to say about cryptocurrency through historical, sociological, philosophical angle;
    - Syndicate;
    - try to do the same with Reggie Middleton of boombustblog - he's big on crypto and is working on his own exchange;
    - Syndicate;
    - Someone else, write a "freedom essay" (Darkcoin Manifesto) on why is crypto so important? Why Darkcoin. Difference in between anonymity and privacy issue. We're all enslaved by The Financial Crime Cartel and its shenanigans (crimes) and this could be the first real movement in human history that would liberate us from the institutionalized chains of death, destruction and debt, their modus operanda.

WEEKLY Q&A with Evan (and Ape and some other developer) - perhaps as a LIVE CHAT was the best idea thus far - sorry, but for a life in me at the moment I can't recall whose idea it was - so that could be an hour or so live transmissions with the community, investors, journalists, bloggers etc, participating (or just a host, one of the guys here, or from the Foundation) that would boost both the visibility and interest.

Bottom line. Spread the word as much as you can. And try to also focus on "influencers" like Max, David, Reggie...

And again, what Darkcoin wants to be, that is the question. What we want the Darkcoin to be?

I guess you're hoping for a "bubble" so to sell your coins 

The only problem I see with the Darkcoin at this moment in time is a lack of direction in its philosophy. Is it going to be a subversive element, a part of the shadow economy (20% of the world's economy is the shadow economy) or a tool for us to start building a new society free of oppression and tyranny or is it going to strive to become a mainstream coin in the vein of Bitcoin? Options are many but our plans, our direction, our philosophy are not. Thusly, we do not generate enough enthusiasm in the wider community of crypto enthusiasts; what is left seems to be only a bunch of nerds getting it and having some fun doing it, but no many others.

The technology involved points toward privacy as the Darkcoin key feature. Alas, the pan-fascists in power, in almost all the countries in the world, are leaping toward totalitarianism where no (real) privacy or (real) freedom would be possible, turning us all into its subjects. (i.e. we're not active participants in democracy anymore, having only sham crumbs of democracy given to us, like sham elections that appear to be free while are, in fact, predestined by the overlords well before we go to the voting booths) As the system's subjects we need to be surveilled all the time and controlled by all means. (food, water, taxes, militarized police, Goebbels TV omnipresence, endless wars that frighten us all the time, STASI like cancer of if you see something say something nonsense...) We are, as nations, getting tired and less prone to revolt for we do not see any chance of succeeding or (really) changing anything.

If nothing CLEAR is offered to us we accept status quo as the way of life and shrug the hope, and much more importantly, we shrug the fight off. Embracing Darkcoin at this juncture is almost an act of civil disobedience in the society that is comprised almost entirely of obedient servants of the system.

For these reasons, I lost all faith in humanity - or at least in this generation - that would need to open its eyes so the parallel, better world, with crypto in it, could be build. Alas, they have their iPhone4, nope iPhone5, nope iPhone6 and a new cool app to distract them from the reality. "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." - said Goethe.

I hold on my Darkcoins only as a statement, not as an investment anymore.