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1541  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. on: December 09, 2014, 09:25:47 PM
I highly recommend to read all three pages of the following article:

Ukraine-The US Vote at the UN is Holocaust Denial- Here's Why
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Ukraine-The-US-Vote-at-the-by-George-Eliason-Denial_Genocide_Genocide_Holocaust-141126-844.html

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The UN vote against the glorification of nazism and nazi figures was a watershed insight into understanding what is going on inside western governments today. Eric Zuesse's article labeling the no vote by the US, Canada, and Ukraine at the UN as supporting the glorification of Nazism and Holocaust denial was understatement at the very least. By this "no" vote these three countries support the rights of nationalist chauvinists to promote nazis like Adolf Hitler or Stepan Bandera as heroes and the murder of their victims as a heroic act.
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Historically West Ukraine (Galicia) where the Ukrainian nationalists were located and Ukraine's ideology today was derived existed only outside the areas affected by the famine.
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Central and Southeast Ukraine which includes Donbass and Odessa are the areas that years ago suffered through that famine. The famine also claimed over 1 million lives in Siberia. The suffering extended to Belarus and Kuban. There were starvation deaths in Moscow.
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It is now illegal to question the Holomodor in Ukraine. The historical record needs to be set straight permanently about this tragedy. Support the nationalist version and deny the real Holocaust at your own peril. The scholarship needs to be set straight. Democracy is built on history. Nationalism is built on myth.

Today the perpetrators of genocide from that time period are causing famine conditions in Donbass. Most of the fields were burned or mined. Most of the harvests were lost and stolen. The Nazis are back and just as murderous. If Poroshenko and Nazi Kiev were remotely serious about a famine genocide that they want the world to recognize; how could they try to set up the same kinds of conditions right now?

And another important historical article:

Ukraine | Why Bandera Have the Largest Geo-Political Voice in EU
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Ukraine--Why-Bandera-Have-by-George-Eliason-Communism_Extreme_Hitler_Ideology-140801-8.html

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In 1848 the modern Ukrainian state came into being under the Austro-Hungarian (Hapsburg) Empire, in what is called the Spring of Nations ( see Roots of Ukrainian Nationalism -Paul Robert Magosci). Under the Hapsburg empire the Ukrainian people were first recognized as a distinct nationality and freed from the serfdom they had been under since the seat of the Rus empire moved from Kiev to Moscow.

In the Austria-Hungarian Empire they were known as the Tyroleans of the east. The term means Austrians of the east. With their recognition as a people by Vienna, they acquired the Habsburg model of government. These countries include: Galicia (West Ukraine), Ruthenia ( West Ukraine), Estonia, Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, Austria, Hungary. After WW I Germany adopted this model, as did Bosnia-Hercegovina, Serbia, Slovenia, and Romania.

When fleshed out this government model is an extreme form of ultra nationalism. The only part of Ukraine recognized by the empire was Galicia which was a major holding for the Hapsburgs. Linguistically there were four languages in what is now Ukraine. Ruthenians, also called Russyns, had a unique language. Galicia had its own which is now called Ukrainian. Dnieper Ukraine spoke a similar language. People in Little Russia (the South East), which was outside of the Hapsburg holdings spoke Russian and were a part of Greater Russia. (ibid). Western Ukraine was entirely devoted to the Austro- Hungarian empire and was its staunchest supporter in war.
1542  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. on: December 09, 2014, 08:55:01 PM
I too hope they manage to reconstruct some of the image and that it does not get hushed down under the 4-way non-disclosure agreement. *Just like with the false flag of flight KAL-007, I almost lost any hope of every hearing the truth from the official sources. Private investigators might unearth more...

What I am sceptical to, are two points: Dutch experts refused to collect all the debris, only some select pieces, even though the government of Donetsk republic offered them all assistance they should request in collecting all the pieces. So the picture will be partial. And the second thing: the bigger bits were cut into multiple fragments, thus basically destroying some of the evidence.
1543  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is the West gearing up to invade Russia once again? on: December 09, 2014, 08:44:47 PM
Invade Russsia!  Are you nuts?  Russians are insane.  That makes them fun to party with, but hell to govern.   Grin

Russians would appreciate it if the US stopped trying to govern them.  Tongue

And, by the way, not that nuts at all - just drawing on the historical experience, when not a single century has passed when someone didn't try to visit Russia with their swards or guns.

The current US/NATO doctrine of "rapid spearhead something something" aimed at Russia has many similarities to Hitler's Blitzkrieg plan Barbarossa.
1544  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is the West gearing up to invade Russia once again? on: December 09, 2014, 12:01:22 PM
Yeahhh here is why Russian have double of stock nuclear weapons... all the rest of the world are evil LoL



The important question here is: when is this data from. My guess is from 1992, when USSR fell apart and Russia took over all of the USSR's nuclear armament. During the destructive Yeltsin's 90's and the inertia of beginning of 2000's, most of Russia's nuclear potential, as well as its defensive capabilities were destroyed under the watchful eye of the American advisors.

I read earlier this year that only now, in the beginning of 2014, Russia again reached nuclear parity with USA. In other words right now USA and Russia have approximately the same number of nuclear warheads.

By the way, experts predict, based on US activities elsewhere in the world, that USA will make first strike against Russia, using winged rockets. USA is capable to launch 6500-7000 such rockets against Russia, including 5000 from naval platforms, according to USA's armament program.
Russia is currently building its own rocket defence shield.

http://www.vz.ru/news/2014/12/8/719289.html

Oh, and the latest legislation passed in the House of Representatives opens up the legalities for USA's aggression against Russia.
1545  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Crimea on: December 08, 2014, 05:54:18 PM
About Crimean Tatars - there is only 1% or less of Tatars that are bought off troublemakers. And they are making the most of the noise.



Russian Defence Ministry held today a direct Q&A session with the population of Crimea, as well as several other federal subjects.



It came to light that Russian air defence shot down one and landed another American UAV over Crimea:
http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20141208/1037191714.html
1546  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Sanction against Russia for West-choreographed conflict in Ukraine on: December 08, 2014, 05:47:10 PM
And again Washington blathers about conditions for lifting sanctions against Russia (please don't - Russia needs those sanctions to grow in strength!). One of the conditions is pulling of Russian military from East Ukraine, which is impossible to do since there is no Russia military there in the first place. So the rest of Obama's speech is moot. He basically said that sanctions won't be lifted.

http://www.gazeta.ru/business/news/2014/12/08/n_6723689.shtml

Oh, and what about old British APC that Kiev is expected to get delivered. Shouldn't Washington impose sanctions against Britain for that hostile move?
1547  Other / Politics & Society / Re: World War III on: December 08, 2014, 12:21:49 PM
Even if the above is true, do you think Russia would need to do it, if it didn't feel threatened? If NATO was not banging at its borders, installing missile bases around its perimeter, breaking all promises? If the US didn't start increasing its nuclear potential and spendings, breaking all agreements? I think not. Obama has been too militant.

Besides, such trains is a really neat idea, making the forces less vulnerable, less of a sitting duck, and actually making it cheaper than creating a lot of stationary installations. Smiley
1548  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: December 07, 2014, 10:45:16 PM
Ukrainian forces again shelled residential areas of Donetsk - 13 times over the course of this day.



The next bit is especially revolting: Ukrainians continue to indoctrinate their children against Russia. In Nokolaev (a city that is predominantly Russian-speaking) one school (First National School) held today a fare, selling sweets, the proceeds of which should go towards financing of the American Terrorist Operation (ATO). The teachers got very inventive with the names of the sweets: Compote "The blood of Russian infants"; cakes "tanks against Moscow"; cookies "Yellow-blue stars on Kremlin"; "Cheesecakes with Moskals"; "Brains of Zhirinovskij", etc.

http://nikolaev-city.net/10659/na-shkolnoy-yarmarke-v-nikolaeve-deti-prodavali-mozgi-zhirinovskogo-syrniki-s-moskalyami-i

The people of Nikolaev are revolted and horrified by this... I don't have words to describe it.
1549  Other / Politics & Society / Re: World War III on: December 07, 2014, 07:20:10 PM
The cold war ended when the USSR collapsed
It has never ended, and doesn't matter what these guys wrote in history textbooks.

US became friendly with (what is now) Russia
I suppose that by becoming friendly you mean performing some regular US friendly gestures... Installation of puppet government, supporting bloody Yeltsin's coup d'état in 1993... Or you're talking about creation of islamist "state" in Chechnya, which was far worse than ISIS and Taliban combined? The "state" which executed thousands of innocent people in the barbaric way and later performed a full-scale invasion to Ingushetia?

Of course these thugs got their asses kicked and escaped to London... Yeah, what a joke, brutal murderers like Zakaev got a political asylum in the friendly and truly democratic state Grin

I'm sorry but only schizophrenic individual would be able to consider these actions as signs of friendship. I would prefer to have convicted serial killer as a friend rather than anybody from the US or UK governments. Fuck them all, along with their voters.

That sums the essence of US friendship anno 1990s pretty well! Smiley
1550  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is the West gearing up to invade Russia once again? on: December 07, 2014, 03:00:56 PM

From that article:



Oh, and I hope Europe does not rise to the US bait, especially with the new set of politicians that are going to come to power...
1551  Other / Politics & Society / Education Programming 101: Destroy Logic on: December 07, 2014, 02:23:38 PM
A friend pointed me to this article, as a fair warning:

Education Programming 101: Destroy Logic
http://www.zengardner.com/education-programming-101-destroy-logic/

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In our teaching institutions, you could look in vain to find courses on the individual, his freedom, his power. That’s gone. It’s no accident that serious training in logic is also gone. And by serious, I mean the application of logic to formal arguments on issues that determine our future.

In many cases, instead, education is about: what group do you belong to? What are the needs of that group? Who is oppressing your group? How can you get government to solve the problem?

If you can educate the young to make snap judgements about core ideas, you eliminate their capacity to reason. You own them.


EDIT: Adding to the OP.

A must-read for anyone reading MSM.

Dissecting the Media - The Words They Use, The Minds They Sway
http://oursolaris.blogspot.nl/2015/02/dissecting-media-words-they-use-minds.html

A must-know list of logical fallacies:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies
1552  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: December 07, 2014, 01:33:33 PM
Well, the Russians can rectify that mistake by taking the eastern part

to the Dniepr. It´d be a cakewalk, the Ukrainian military is useless and

NATO is a paper tiger at best.

The problem/strong side with Russia (choose how you want to look at it), is that it still wants to do everything by the international law, that everything is completely legal. So a military invasion is completely out of question, even though Kiev and CIA are dreaming of such outcome.

Legal schmegal, they´re dealing with people who don´t give
a flying eff about international law, only their own interests.
There would be a big initial uproar which would soon fizzle down.

That would invite anarchy at the international level, where the strongest country can do whatever it likes. That's the kind of world US wants to build and Russia does not want to have any part of it. It's the path to the dark side.

Russia wants to be a part of a world built upon mutual respect of the laws, though military might is needed, it's there so that no one gets any idea of pushing Russia and it's allies around. This is reflected in the Russian military doctrine, which is purely defensive (that is why Mistrals are completely unnecessary, being an offensive weapon). That's the light side of the force. Remember, Jedi are formidable fighters, but their might is guided by strict morals.
1553  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: December 07, 2014, 12:17:46 PM
Infographics of Donbass during the "sieze-fire". The results after half-a-year of the American Terrorist Operation (ATO)
http://ria.ru/infografika/20141013/1027739640.html


Data for the 13th of October:

On Ukraine side: 953 killed + 3627 wounded (according to Ukraine)
27888 killed + 13500 wounded according to the resistance

On resistance side: 2000-3000 killed

UN data:
Civilians killed: 3682 (incl 298 of the shot-down Boeing)
Civilians wounded: 8871
Refugees, who fled to Russia: 427004
1554  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is the West gearing up to invade Russia once again? on: December 07, 2014, 11:40:48 AM
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/12/05/russia-western-enemies-partners-paul-craig-roberts/

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The US House of Representatives has joined Hillary Clinton, Obama, the neoconservatives, Washington’s vassals, and the American and European presstitutes in demonizing Russia and President Putin. The House resolution against Russia is a packet of lies, but that did not stop the resolution from passing by a vote of 411 for and 10 against.

The entire world should take note that the American people are capable of electing only ten intelligent representatives. Ten people out of 435 is 2 percent. And yet Washington declares itself to be the “exceptional,” “indispensable” country empowered to exercise hegemony over the world!

...

And the following is pretty straightforward, and carries a strong warning:

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While the Russian government was preoccupied with the olympics, Washington struck in Ukraine, installing a puppet government. It is likely the case that the only solution that can make the festering problem of Ukraine go away is the reincorporation of Ukraine in Russia.

Arrogance and hubris usually result in overreach, and overreach could break up Washington’s empire. But Washington doesn’t think so. Just as Washington put its NGOs into the streets of Kiev in what is called the Maiden protests, Washington has put its NGOs in the streets of Hong Kong, hoping that the protests or riots will spread to other Chinese cities.

Russia and China are far too open to the West than is good for them. Tsar Nicholas II did not expect his government to be overthrown, but Kerensky did overthrow Nicholas’ government in the February Revolution only to be overthrown by Lenin in the October Revolution. The Chinese don’t expect to be overthrown, but neither did Viktor Yanukovych.

1555  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: December 06, 2014, 10:46:15 PM
Well, the Russians can rectify that mistake by taking the eastern part

to the Dniepr. It´d be a cakewalk, the Ukrainian military is useless and

NATO is a paper tiger at best.

The problem/strong side with Russia (choose how you want to look at it), is that it still wants to do everything by the international law, that everything is completely legal. So a military invasion is completely out of question, even though Kiev and CIA are dreaming of such outcome.
1556  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Sanction against Russia for West-choreographed conflict in Ukraine on: December 06, 2014, 10:38:02 PM
Watched the interview with Miller today. South Stream is definitely dead. No amount of EU commission convening will revive it.
Miller said that it was the absence of permission from Bulgaria to build on its soil and in its territorial waters that was the final straw. The previous 5 months of EUs saying NO didn't help either.

Once the pipeline to the Greek border is done, EU can decide if they want to buy Russian gas through Turkey.

Oh, and Miller said that Ukraine becomes completely irrelevant as a transit hub with the current plan. Russia will of course sell gas to Ukrain, but it will not have the headache of possible failing transit deliveries.



The comedy club continues:
Polish deputy suggests giving Mistrals to Ukraine.  Grin Grin Grin
http://www.forbes.ru/news/275109-polskii-deputat-predlozhil-frantsii-peredat-mistrali-ukraine
I take it, it'll be a nice free present. I wonder if this Polish deputy will be paying from his pocket
1557  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: December 06, 2014, 10:29:06 PM
Yep Nemo.

The main reason that U.S. "interventions" turn what they intervent with
to total shite and permanently hopeless basket cases (Iraq, Afghanistan, Lybia, Ukraine
Yemen etc, etc) is the Americans themselves have no history to speak of and therefore very
limited historical understanding.

I wanted to address this in more depth. What you say is only partially true.

If US had more presidents like JFK, or if Ron Paul wasn't cheated out of his presidency, then US' handling of the world affairs would have been far better.

Conversely, having a long history does not guarantee that a country does not make stupid moved. Case in point: Poland, which keeps on stepping on the same historical rake time and again.

First during the Time of Trouble (Smuta) during 1600s they installed a false king on the Russian throne (False Dmitrij/Lzhedmitrij). The result: count Minin and merchant Pozharskij raised a people's militia , marched on Moscow and drove Poles out. Minin and Pozharskij now have a memorial on the Red Square commemorating their heroic deed. (Interestingly, in parallel to today's events, foreign citizens fought on the side of Russian people back then as well, the forefather of the famous Russian poet Lermontov - Lermont - came to Russia during that time from Scotland. Also, there are parallels in today's heroic actions of Strelkov and Motorola, mastering people's militia, with what seems the ultimate goal of driving the outlandish usurpers from Kiev).

Then in 1810s, Polish general Sokolnitskij presented Napoleon with a business plan of conquering and dividing Russia between France and Poland. The result, Napoleon used Polish troops as front-line cannon fodder on the promise of Russian lands, and later this whole horde was driven all the way to Paris. To be fair, a number of Polish officers and squadrons fought on Russian side as well in those 1812 days. (Maybe today's French humiliation with Mistrals at the hand of the Poles is a twisted form of revenge for that)

Afterwards, after the disastrous for Russia October coup d'etat of 1917 (which bears similarities to the February 2014 coup in Kiev), Poles again saw their chance and during the civil war of 1918 the Polish intervention waltzed over the lands of today's Ukraine and came almost all the way to Moscow. The Red Army managed to stop the invasion and drive Poles all the way back to Warsaw.

It seems Poles are itching to step on the same rake yet again.

Russia also does a fair amount of mistakes, despite clear back-knowledge of the history. For example, it should have never pulled its cultural influence from Ukraine after 1992. If its presence remained, there would not be now a whole generation of Ukrainians raised on falsified history book, believing that Ukrainian is a separate ethnos and that Julius Ceaser was a Ukrainian.
1558  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: December 06, 2014, 10:07:33 PM
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"Not one bandit managed to get out," Mr Kadyrov later announced. "I directly ran the operation myself."
Excellent work! Not even one of IS indoctrinated pigs should be allowed to live.

And now Kadyrov ordered to initiate criminal investigation against 3 Ukrainian Rada deputies, who voiced their support and possibly connected with financing of the terrorist attack in Groznyj that cost 14 policemen lives. He ordered special forces to deliver them to Chechnya.  Cool

http://lenta.ru/news/2014/12/05/dostavit/


SBU opened today a case against Kadyrov. Cheesy Given that SBU is completely controlled by the terrorist organisation CIA (they even have both USA and Ukrainian flags on their HQ in Kiev), it is not surprising that Kadyrov's anti-terrorist, anti-IS statement made such a stir.

http://ria.ru/world/20141206/1036960456.html

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Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine is going to place the head of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov on the international wanted list, wrote on Saturday, advisor to the Ministry of Internal Affairs Zorian Shkiryak on his page on Facebook.

Previously, adviser to the head of the Security Service of Ukraine Markiyan Lubkivsky said that the agency has opened criminal proceedings against Kadyrov for his remarks about Ukrainian MPs who supported the attack on December the 4th in Grozny. Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Arseniy Avakov, in turn, said that the Interior Ministry also started an inquiry into the allegations Kadyrov and opened a case on "the threat or violence against a state or public figure" of the Criminal Code of Ukraine.



In another step towards the non delivery of the Mistral, French Defense Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian declared today that there is a possiblity that France will never go throught with the delivery of the Mistral-class ships.

"We may never deliver [the Mistral ships]; the Russians have to realise this. It is impossible to consider the delivery under the tense conditions we [currently] find ourselves in" explained the Minister to BFMTV and RMC.

Full article: http://nomistralsforputin.com/drupal/?q=NoDelivery


i can assure you he's gonna have the mistrals.. Roll Eyes

Russia does not need those Mistrals, so if France does not deliver, so much better for Russia.
1559  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Smell-o-vision becoming reality on: December 06, 2014, 02:32:41 PM
This reminds me of the story "#ifdefDEBUG + `world/enough' + `time'" by Terry Prattchett in "A Blink of the Screen" collection.  Grin

http://books.google.es/books?id=NJ1pO5o1SMYC&pg=PA144&lpg=PA144&dq=terry+pratchett+%23ifdefDEBUG+%2B+%60world/enough%27+%2B+%60time%27&source=bl&ots=eeE5VUUjIN&sig=zr5iJtyTtKfLJxClnzu6fA06NoQ&hl=en&sa=X&ei=TBODVMvUGYP3Uvu3Aw&ved=0CFUQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=terry%20pratchett%20%23ifdefDEBUG%20%2B%20%60world%2Fenough%27%20%2B%20%60time%27&f=false
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Blink_of_the_Screen
http://www.amazon.com/Blink-Screen-Collected-Short-Fiction/dp/0552163333
1560  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: December 05, 2014, 11:38:52 PM
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"Not one bandit managed to get out," Mr Kadyrov later announced. "I directly ran the operation myself."
Excellent work! Not even one of IS indoctrinated pigs should be allowed to live.

And now Kadyrov ordered to initiate criminal investigation against 3 Ukrainian Rada deputies, who voiced their support and possibly connected with financing of the terrorist attack in Groznyj that cost 14 policemen lives. He ordered special forces to deliver them to Chechnya.  Cool

http://lenta.ru/news/2014/12/05/dostavit/
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