Arrgh newbie hell.
Please be patient. |
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Shocked this thread isnt getting more hits to be honest...  Since most of the people interested in bitcoins are capitalist money-maker, only interested in speculation about its future price it is consistent, right? |
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The consensus model used by bitcoin prevents it from competing on
1) transaction delay
2) transaction fee for microtransactions
Use other means if you need quick payments and small percentage fees. However, there will be services on top of bitcoin, which allow you to do bitcoin-denominated transactions without going through the blockchain (a business model coinbase.com is working on, e.g. by providing user-user account transfers).
Regarding 3) security you have to distinguish between service providers and the security of the asset. As long as people depend on settling their final trade in some fiat currency, they will be subject to (in-)securities of the services operating at the interface. However, there are already plenty of things which do not require that step - with time, as merchants start to keep their earnings in bitcoins, this problem will fade away.
I think you're suffering from lack of imagination. Like people didn't know what the internet could be used for in the 90's. In hindsight it was obvious.
I might be lacking imagination but still can't understand what makes you that over confident. You can't compare btc and internet... Still reading hundreds of posts in this section, and can't configure out why people are still buying above 1 euro (which is according to me, something like a "fair price"). Is it possible to actually trade btc? (I mean sell btc before actually buying it) If not, it might explains why people are keeping buying atm. I'm normally quite bad at spotting an obvious troll but...this is one.
Right?
Feel free to gtfo. |
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Yea, I think that you should log off/log in to upgrade your forum statut.
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Strange, I always thought the word 'never' meant past, present, and future. Since I've already used bitcoin as a currency to purchase coffee, food, honey, silver, and gold I do have to wonder where you got your definition of 'never' from. If we're lucky and want bitcoin to succeed then we should hope for bitcoin to 'never again' be used as a speculative tool since that is what leads to the volatility that you mentioned in a sideways manner by referring to price increases.
Gee, sounds like you tried to mine with your CPU or something. Strangely enough I invested in several video cards and the value of the items I've bought using bitcoin as a currency (there goes your never again) exceeds the money I spent on GPUs by a factor of 3 or 4 already and they're still mining. They don't make as much now but I get as much in a single block on Slush's pool as you claimed to get in a couple of hours. I guess you never actually researched how you should mine or decided you could make BTC on advertising sites.
As a previous poster mentioned, you seem to have a serious lack of a grasp on bitcoin as a concept and on how to mine it, please study up on it before making ridiculous blanket statements like you've done here.
Thralen
No, I never tried to mine btc actually. And will never do. I used that kind of websites: http://dailybitcoins.org/I understand exactly how bitcoins works, how mining works ... What I don't understand is why the price is so high (~ 90 euros). It does not make sense to me. So, make it simple: what makes that high price? High supply.
Where did it come from? And why?like any asset class, bitcoin is subject to valuation, which ideally is determined by supply/demand on a free market. Determining the "fair" market value of a bitcoin is the challenge of 2013 and the years to come - it requires a solid foundation for market making.
That's my point. How many coins are lost (1 million out of 11 million or 10 million out of 11 million?)? What created so much supply after the recent crash. I can't see any improvement in: - transaction delay. - transaction fee. - security. Which are the main keys to me... My personal opinion is that most on here (the plankton or at best, the tadpoles of the Bitcoin ecosystem), are still buying because they are fkn stupid and are blinded by thier own greed/optimism as to the strong probability of much lower prices in the months ahead. However, having said that, with all the volatility, even now there is still plenty opportunity for nice profits to be made, and who doesnt want to make profits?
Everyone wants to make profit, but should be careful with involved risks. They are kinda high at the moment. |
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This should be in speculation, not in the main category.
Feels free to move it. "Bitcoin is useless"
Then go somewhere else... ? Why? "will most likely never be used as a currency"
It is DEFINITELY used as a currency on Silk Road and will probably continue to be adopted by others over time.
So, all the supply is based on buying drugs? Isn't it over estimated as fuck? People are invested in bitcoin in many ways.
They see good reasons to stick with it and most of them are thinking long term.
Things crash from time to time, it doesnt mean they are dead.
And besides that profit isn't the main focus for most of the old dogs of bitcoin.
Even thinking long term, I can't get what makes them believe that the value of 1 btc is more than 1 euro ... Of course, the price of 1 btc is what people are willing to pay for it, but there should be some guarantees. For instance, if a lot of companies were accepting btc, if btc was almost flawless (instant payment, lower fees, no security problems), I could understand that it would appear "safe" or "reassuring", which is obviously not the case. ...
You clearly don't understand bitcoin. Please study. Feel free to explain. I spent hours trying to get my first bitcoins (satoshi actually), and after working for ages, I only got 0.002 btc, Why on earth did you waste those hours? Is this how you earn govt currency as well, or do you suppose there's a better way? Please tell me you don't think bitcoin is useless because you can't make a decent Bitcoin income looking at advertising sites. When you pay something with your credit card or paypal, the fees are either negligible or acceptable. When you pay something with btc, they are repulsive. When you pay something with your credit card or paypal, you got it immediatly. When you pay something with btc, you have to wait. It has nothing to do with me wasting time (I stopped) for getting 0.00000001 btc. |
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You got scammed by btc + blockchain not them  |
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Ok thank you, I got it, I'll stop wasting my time.
I will consider those coins as "lost", unless the fees goes much lower than they actually are.
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Hello guys, To me, it seems pretty strange that people actually continues buying btc now... I understood why they wanted to invest in btc before, after the Chyprus crisis, and all the articles in the media. But now? I don't get it. Bitcoin is useless, and will most likely never be used as a currency. I spent hours trying to get my first bitcoins (satoshi actually), and after working for ages, I only got 0.002 btc, which does not even allow me to proceed to a transaction (the fees are higherthan that amount  ). When you compare it with CC or paypal, it seems that they are free to use in comparison! Not to mention the time required to actually proceed to a transaction which can be anything between 1 minute and ... 1 year (or more?). The only possible reason I see people are buying btc is that they (truly) believe that the price will increase, and want to make more profit. I think that 99.99 % of the bitcoins exchanged are never withdrawn from the exchangers, and the people are only waiting to make some profits. What makes them believe that the price will rise? Because the amount of bitcoins is limited? Because lost coins can never be recovered? I have no clue. An other problem is the "mining" part. Soon, the difficulty will increase, CPU and GPU mining will be useless. People will stop mining bitcoins and try LTC or something easy to get... The interest in btc will decrease. Other issues: - security. Not a single company was able to provide a "professional" service. Bitcoin-24 has a serious problem ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=174600.0 ). Even mtgox was critized for the lags, problems with missing coins, money, delay, and so on ... The hacks are countless (you can see new topics about that every day ...). I can't see anything positive about btc, and still can't get why people are buying it. Can any captain obvious explains? Thanks. |
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MtGox needs serious rewamp since it was the main reason for the 'big fall of bitcoin' two weeks ago. I support you guys!
Mtgox had nothing to do with the big fall... |
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Good luck  |
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What is your bank? Will probably get blocked for money laudering if you got a lot of customers making deposits/withdrawals quite often.
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Just wait ... and see  |
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Bah non c'est pas la même monnaie, sinon ça aurait le même nom |
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I got an account in Textbroker.fr, dunno if you're interested ^^ that obviously for people writing in French.
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I have spent a couple of hours with that, got around 2 mB and still can't send the first satoshi to anyone because of mining fees (using http://blockchain.info). What's the point of free bitcoins websites? |
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