Nor do they. Maybe in the case of some very large important criminal or terrorist they'd find the money to afford it, but as a routine everyday thing ...they can't afford to chase basic bank accounts and all the other places people hide money never mind bitcoins which they may not even have heard of and probably have very little knowledge of.

Life isn't hollywood full of super cops backed by goth girls who can perform technical miracles in five minutes...it's fat 9 to 5 cops who cant find the hoody who nicked your bike most of the time.

What about this meth dealer buying a shitload of mining rigs, then setting up a lovely cloudhashing sideline? The fees would be clean money from clients. He could also BE his own fake clients or at least mine for himself. He could also set it up somewhere safe from interference in a country where the agencies likely to be on his case have no powers.

As for tracing BTC, go on then..someone tell me how much I have in my wallets or where it/they are? I doubt that will be easy.

A little off topic but I wonder what you make of this someone just posted on another thread? Seems a little too good to be true to me, but if it's genuine ...

http://www.amazon.com/Inverter-installs-minutes-Inverter-Breakthough/dp/B00BSFJMCI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1377240120&sr=8-1&keywords=solar+panel+plugin

..and then the couriers get it to juggle with and load into vans with a trebuchet. There's my main fear.

lmfao

As for the debate about ASICs streaming online and BTC prices dropping because of it....the people who are buying now are doing so with an eye to their purchases breaking even or in the case of some older orders from other companies...making a pretty good profit...this will change and indeed has changed when you consider all the people refused refunds (elsewhere) who no longer want to be in the game now there's nothing in it anymore.
Less people with better kit, that seems likely to me. Not thousands more diving into mining for a possible loss.

I remember KnC mentioning litecoins, maybe that will one of their future projects? Once this game gets too much for private buyers.

That went by quietly (with less comment than the ignore being yellow on members posts), them saying they're going to sell modules for us to upgrade ourselves?
That's exactly what I assumed they meant to happen when I saw the original design but it was never officially mentioned.
That's great news, especially if prices drop and you have room for some ..or even if a gen 2 module can be used if and when they exist.

1st or 2nd half of month/s? That would be nice to know.

Good news from the Volvo of the ASIC world.
Nice to see them still talking about the next gen too.

"The results of our mock tapeout are due back any minute now and so far it all looks good." ?

So why not wait an hour, get the results and publish them?

You aren't a customer or likely to be one either. So why even be here?
I could give a shit about any of this now, I did my DD and made a decision long ago. Same applies to most people.
Of course you can always wait until ASICs turn up on a shelf in a local shop and are no risk at all to buy...good luck with that.

How the hell it's fair to pile the shit that BFL created onto another company because they are in the same business..that's beyond me.
There again, so was a couple of pages of people arguing with graphics about a bloody ignore colour?

On the subject of bullshitters, didn't you promise to bugger off a couple of week ago Mr Croppo ?

Amen.

Takes my breath away seeing how people hold BFL up as some kind of example here.

The first question was answered. By KnC.
Who cares if the parts are in Sweden? Are they being assembled in Sweden?
KnC have already said they are aware of the difficulty rises and that's why the discount in Nov. They may have other reasons too but that's definitely a part of it.
FFS ..they could delay a year and still be better than BFL ...or have people forgotten that they haven't yet delivered orders from over a year ago and are a) selling chips b) promising a Dec delivery for a new product that will drive a 6 inch nail through their own customers hopes of any returns from their very very late deivered rigs. (Many of which seem not to be hashing because they are breaking like plates at a greek wedding). Oh and the disrespect they show to customers is something else.

Coming here to criticise KnC who have yet to miss a deadline quoting BFL in comparison is laughable.

KnC can answer your questions, but only if you pick up a phone and ask them or email them. They have done so several times. Try that?

Maybe read the thread, or at least the KnC news on their site.
BFL ? KnC will have to keep us waiting for a year from now to get close to them.
There is a KnC post a few pages back, states that they have one main goal...to deliver ASAP and not get into anything that's not needed that may delay that.
The day they have a working prototype will be the day they ship. They skipped that stage to make sure we get something worth having with the steep increase in difficulty. They could wait, add a month to the process and then we'd be dealing with the estimated December delivery of those 2TH Cointerra rigs and god knows what else ...and struggling to break even.
Anyone who waited a year or more for a rig from BFL won't see it return their investment now...KnC are attempting to avoid that situation.
People have spoken to them in person and on the phone, visited them, had replies to questions via email and phone.
Oh..and people have asked for refunds and got them.

You're not lost, you just need to read what's here and maybe email them if you have a question.

Here you go AC find a thread on this, just got it in email. Very little info for your 15k there.
http://order.cointerra.com/

December...a little breathing room for us even if they are on schedule.

They haven't published specs on things that don't exist, they have published the specs they have designed it to be. How is it deceptive when we ALL knew from the get go that it didn't exist and their description and estimates were all we'd get until they had production up and running for the actual parts?

They are hosting these rigs, and mining themselves...so they are in the same boat as all of us re power supplies. I don't care when they tell me which they recommend, as long as it's possible to get one before my rig arrives. Their constant statements about getting rigs hashing ASAP being their main goal can be woven into most aspects of all this by a sentient being to arrive at a sensible conclusion. For example all this crap about racks and power supplies...what do people think KnC are going to do, design a rig that's going to be a bitch in their own hosting facility?
 

KnC have told me all I need to know for now. Other helpful people have added to that by visiting and publishing email replies.
You've added nothing at all to speak of.

Yeah, I'm sure KnC planned on relying on you for that. 

It's always seemed odd to me that many calculators don't show estimated BTC mined.

The entrepreneur is commonly seen as an innovator of new ideas, and business processes. Which would make someone manufacturing cutting edge rigs one or someone offering hosting possibly, we're mostly just customers doing what tens of thousands of others are doing.
I'd say speculator fits better here.
People love to pin that badge on themselves, entrepreneur...never understood why.

If they do they are fools. They can't predict the exchange rate for BTC ..if it dropped massively like it did not long ago there goes the ROI doesn't it?
Big difference between 118 where we were last time I looked today and 80 where it was a while ago.
Doesn't matter when they ship if the price falls radically.

On the other hand, they could say that we'll all get ROI EVENTUALLY banking on the large rise in BTC price over a year or more that many of us think/hope will happen. Mining at a loss in the short term may prove to be worth it long term. I think most of us hope so if we hang onto our BTC.

That calculator shows you a different set of results from day to day as the % increase in difficulty is altered ... and that number has been up and down like a bride's nightie for weeks now. Fact is, no-one really knows what it will be in a few months so it's a guess.
The power consumption and performance may be pessimistic too if KnC are to be believed. Assuming they are in the right ballpark with delivery in October then at least it's whole months from around this date because you'd hope that rigs could be arriving in the last third of October ?

November does look grim if we're looking at that as a delivery date. KnC said they'd reduced the price from then because of the increasing difficulty rate..although it was also related to competition...if they didn't who would buy knowing they'd never break even?

If you run a few other companies rigs through it...it produces a horror story in many cases. KnC is definitely a better option than most.