It seems that you are too confident, we don't even know for sure how their progress will be in this competition. However, that doesn't matter, especially if you are a The Red supporter. Actually, I can understand that. Unfortunately, we cannot be sure of anything and what the final result will be. So far we have only talked about, feel confident about, data, statistics and performance. but I will say again, that in football it is unique. Even a strong team can fall against a very weaker team. there are many matches that we have seen, we can even refer to last season.
Imagine, which team will beat United when they are On Fire. In fact, one by one their players fell due to injuries which ended in United being humiliated by Sevilla. even though at that time, Sevilla's performance was very messy. In fact, we don't need to refer to their reputation in this competition, but the facts that occur in the field are valid evidence.

But okay, we agree that Liverpool has a pretty good chance of becoming a candidate to win this trophy. However, there are teams that actually perform better. Apart from that, teams that drop out of the Champions League cannot be underestimated. Regarding the Man City vs Liverpool match, yes, we agree that nothing is impossible if Liverpool can beat the home team. However, for some reason, even though several City players were injured, they were still favored by the bookmakers. City with @1.72, while Liverpool with @4.30. if I had to bet, I would prefer the home side.

"Gambling is not a steady income haven"

Are quite good and wise words, especially for gamblers who try to risk everything to get the results they want. These words can be a short message, so that we can be clearer in our thinking, especially regarding gambling. In fact, this type of entertainment game is very interesting, fun, brings euphoria, but contains risks. and I'm quite sure, even though they are novice gamblers, they are well aware of the risks if they try and get involved in betting. if you don't win, you lose. and yep, it's that simple.
Unfortunately, most of us, even I, miss out on things that can have a big impact if we go too far in this type of entertainment. as a result, quite a few gamblers are addicted. and yes, that's the worst risk with a series of losses that cost a lot of money, loss of property, whatever it is.
Very clear, isn't it, if we look at it from the negative side.

However, if there is a negative, it means there is also a positive. in this expensive type of entertainment, we get pleasure as well as bonuses if luck is on our side. unmitigated, there are a number of names reported to have become rich in gambling. unfortunately, only certain people are successful in doing it. and for those who experience it, the words of this thread's title no longer apply. In essence, we have discussed it from A to Z, addiction and all kinds. Now, the point is with us gambling fans. what gambling is to you, and what you get out of it, especially refers to the title of this thread.
BTW, don't say win or lose, because that is part of the risk. for me personally, nothing more than entertainment. pleasure is what we seek, but if pleasure does not come, then stop. as simple as that. although, in fact, it is quite difficult to control yourself.

The answer is, I don't know. why, because how could I possibly know or check every gambler's account. So like this, we can say what we want even though the facts don't match reality. So, I will repeat your question again. Has anyone been able to make a steady income with gambling? Try doing your own research directly. then, you have at least some idea of ​​what you are asking. Actually, this question is the most frequently discussed, but okay, let's discuss it.

I can't say for sure what you ask. However, the reference is myself. I have little knowledge regarding sports betting, especially football. because I really like this sport, so I go into it and learn the things related to it. both technical and non-technical. In short, 5 of my predictions, at least 1 or 2 failed. In fact, not infrequently, the 5 matches where I predict the results will bring victory. even though the process of the match did not match my expectations and analysis. in short, that's why I prefer sports. because for me personally, the margin of victory is higher than defeat, although it doesn't always have to be specific.

Unfortunately, I'm just an ordinary gambler, who only does it for entertainment so I never thought like you said. why, yes because these things can affect us psychologically. What started as fun has become a place to earn side income. Usually, only a few percent of the many gamblers are able to do so. and it is also important to remember, if the concept is like that, then gradually your enjoyment of the art of gambling will gradually disappear.

There is nothing wrong with advice, all of it is essentially aimed at something good. it's just that the problem is if someone is given advice, whether he will accept it or ignore it. just like I advise my child, it is no different when I try to take a persuasive approach to my friend who has a gambling disorder. give him a little understanding from my point of view, advise him, let him decide the rest. For me, we can even advise ourselves when we are in a chaotic situation. in a way, armed with experience, yep, experience is the best teacher. However, there is absolutely nothing wrong with what you said. We have different assumptions and ways of thinking and that's what's unique about healthy discussions.

Now we refer to the theme of the title of this thread, "Quit gamble! Easy or Hard? Let's talk".
as you said in your post, the point lies with us as perpetrators and gamblers. It's just that, sometimes what we say is not as easy as when we are in the gambling session phase. the problem is, emotions are always involved in it. and emotions are formed by situations, conditions, feelings, and many other things. Well, I say it once again, there are several points that I agree with what you said. in particular, on the last point. However, if it is not accompanied by self-control, responsibility and understanding as well as experience. then it will be difficult to control ourselves, whether in the winning phase or otherwise.

If I try to refer to several injured Barcelona players from several sources, one of them refers to transfermarkt. Only Gavi is expected to be sidelined for quite a long time, while De Jong and Ter Stegen, the goalkeeper, are scheduled to return in the near future. It is estimated that De Jong and the Barcelona goalkeeper will arrive in December at the latest. Meanwhile, according to transfermarkt, De Jong will return on November 24. Even though I don't have an official claim, it seems from several sources that I refer to that there are no significant differences. Well, now the problem is with Gavi, who reportedly suffered an anterior knee ligament injury.

Well, I think the media is exaggerating the problems that Barcelona will face. after all, they have other options as a substitute. Pedri also seems to have taken part in training, and it is possible that he is ready to play. So, just waiting for De Jong and the goalkeeper to be fully fit. In this way, Barcelona will not lose too much of one of its players who is injured. although in any case, Gavi is a core player in the Xavi project. We'll see how things develop in the future. also, what will Xavi implement.

IMO, my guess is that the Newcastle club is trying to give Eddie Howe one season to prove himself this season. after that, they will replace him with a more competent trainer. why do I say that, yes, because Newcastle is owned by the PIF company which is controlled by the Saudi prince. Just imagine if the club wanted to compete fiercely with Man City, especially in the transfer window last summer, it wouldn't be a difficult thing for them to spend their budget on players who have above average skills. Moreover, if Eddie Howe is unable to bring Newcastle to a top four finish. It seems that there is a big possibility that the speculation I said will come true. BTW, this is purely just my analysis and does not determine the actual facts later.

Talking about Newcastle in the Champions League, it looks like it will be very difficult for them, especially when they visit the Parc des Princes, PSG's headquarters. if Newecastle collapses when they face the French League giants in the next match. it seemed, their hopes would be dashed. However, we'll see how the battle between these two teams goes.
before that, Newcastle will host Chelsea first. Pohcettino's squad is in good confidence. It will not be an easy match for Eddie Howe's squad to overthrow them. Moreover, several Chelsea players are reported to have recovered from their injuries. Let's see how Newcastle plays their match before visiting France.

As I often say, this match is actually still quite long. Plus, the team that will drop out of the Champions League is not yet clear. However, the team that will become champions in the Europa League group phase is already visible. one of them, Leverkusen who smoothly wiped out 4 wins by collecting 12 points. while the team below it only has 6 points. With just one more win, Leverkusen can be sure of qualifying as winners of Group H.
At least, they have the opportunity to qualify for the next phase. Even so, we do not claim that they are able to play all their matches smoothly. What is certain is which strong team will be the opponent in the next round. However, everything is still not clear and certain. Anyway, it doesn't matter if there are other members who predict that one of the teams will be a potential champion.

After all, there is nothing wrong with that, everyone has the right to have an opinion and the same goes for us, especially Liverpool fans. They want their favorite team to perform optimally and win this competition trophy. This is something that is very normal, especially considering Liverpool's performance last season. It's natural, previously they experienced a down phase at the start of the season. The fans hope that this time it will be the revival of their favorite team and the same goes for the Domestic League. Klopp is no exception, he wants and gives the best for the club, fans and his squad when participating in various competitions. and I think everything is fine.

You are right, that actually the weakest opponent can be a stumbling block for a big team. and that's why football is unique, sometimes the results are far from our expectations. but we also have to look at it from the other side, when Bayern lost in DBF Fokal against a 3rd division team. Actually the reason was very classic, the poor performance of several Bayern players and Tuchel not playing his core squad. even Kane, was not involved at all. Choupo-Moting as a center forward, Mathys Tel was placed on the wing, Muller was an attacking midfielder, Sane played poorly. Frans Krastzig is a 20 year old player who is being tested by Tuchel as a pivot, De Ligt is injured, Bouna Sarr is a 30 year old second tier player. and the bad thing is, Neuer played badly.

But, even so, Bayern should have been able to win the match. because after all, overall these two teams are on different levels. Even though Bayern actually controlled the game, in fact they lost. and, that's football in all its uniqueness.
Talking about the Koln versus Bayern match, on paper Bayern Munich is far superior and has a very high probability of winning the match between these two teams. Moreover, referring to Koln's ranking which is in second place in the relegation zone. Meanwhile, Bayern, ranked second in the top four of the Bundesliga, has a clear gap. In this match, Thuchel will play his full squad and getting 3 points is the result they must get. but, once again. Football is unique, we'll see how this match goes.

Honestly, I don't understand what you mean by this post. Really I didn't get the essence of what you said, forgive me for that. However, if you talk about funds for the needs of the players who compete in this league. It's very clear isn't it, I said it in the post above. that there were four clubs that were acquired by the PIF which is under the auspices of Prince Mohammed bin Salman and who is also the leader of the Saudi work. that way, they will not lack funds to bring in any player they are after. However, for what purpose, let's try to think broadly and look at it from all sides. Of course, they have a big project in bringing in top European players, especially those aged 30+. Not only that, PIF does not only operate in the sport of football. Yep, referring to several sources I read.

But to be honest, I don't understand that the Saudi Pro League is the best league for football players. which football player do you mean, who plays in this competition? if so, absolutely yes. moreover, for former top European players who are paid fantastic salaries. one more thing, Mbappe plays with PSG and not for the Saudi Pro League.

In particular, when Chelsea players recover from injury. In this way, Poche can develop the ideal system and pattern according to what he wants to implement. I just checked on several sources that I referred to, there are at least 5 players who are scheduled to return with the main squad. one of them, Nkuku, Colwill, is scheduled to return on November 26. the rest, next December. At least, Poche calmed down a bit with the addition of his new ammunition after recovering from his injury. if Poche is able to develop it, Chelsea will slowly improve and maybe be better than before. currently, they are ranked 10th.

In the next three matches, Chelsea will face quite a difficult challenge for them. visit Newcastle headquarters, host Brighton, and will challenge Manchester United. At least, this match will drain their energy to get maximum results. Well, for me Chelsea's problem is their attackers, I often say that. Honestly, I don't know what Pochettino is thinking about his system and line-up. But in reality, Chelsea needs a pure striker who can really be relied on as a goal machine in their squad. For other players, Chelsea actually has a squad that is competitive for me. However, it all comes back to the Chelsea coach. Let's see, in the next three days Chelsea will visit Newcastle's headquarters.

In fact, Arteta doesn't need that. He has gained a lot of knowledge from his time as Pep Guardiola's assistant. all Arteta has done is develop the potential he has, to lead Arsenal to be much stronger than last season. and one thing that is on my mind, I am sure that Arsenal is not aiming for the Champions League trophy. Moreover, this is the first time after a long absence from this competition.
I think, if Arteta and Edu are fully aware that there are several strong team competitors in this competition and are very experienced. ideally, Arsenal will just do their best and play as hard as they can in the Champions League competition. If they are lucky they can get past the round of 16, and this is already an achievement for those who have just started competing in this league. the rest, they will focus on the Premier League.

The point is, Arteta must get one of the trophies. Ideally they will target the Domestic League trophy, that way Arteta has met the club owner's desired standards. We know very well how Arsenal's owners are, and only this season they invested in breaking their own record. with the condition that Arteta must present at least one trophy. But, let's just follow Arsenal's journey in this competition. Moreover, the Gunners are one of the teams that I fully support. whether they win or lose, as a supporter I only hope they perform at their best.

That's the way it should be, like it or not, if Spurs want to continue competing at the top of the table, Levy must support Ange to add ammunition to the squad he leads in the January transfer window. If not, then Spurs will experience a decline like the previous season. in fact, they were unable to maintain their position and ended up finishing in 8th place in the Premier League.
regarding Spurs' desire for Raphinha, whether this rumor is true or not. I'm not sure at all if Barcelona will let him go. why is that, let's examine it, assuming Barca is offered a fantastic transfer value or player exchange option as you say. because, that would be detrimental for Xavi and his squad.

Just imagine, currently only Raphinha is Xavi's main support after Dembele's departure. If he leaves, there is no way Xavi will only rely on Lamine Yamal, who is only 16 years old. unless Xavi previously made an agreement with Bernardo Silva. In fact, this is something that would be impossible to do at this time. considering Barca's condition and Silva has just extended his contract with City "if I'm not mistaken". So, it seems that this idea will not be realized regardless of whether what you say is true or not.

Honestly, I don't really like saying things as frontally as you say. especially for Girona, although we agree on this point. I don't see the time for Girona, even to stay in the top four of the standings until this season ends, it will take a lot of effort and hard work. The only advantage they have from my point of view, Girona is not busy with a busy schedule. Plus, a good wind is blowing on their squad.
But nevertheless, what they have done so far is worthy of appreciation. because in reality it is not easy to sit at the top of the standings, even though they are only two points ahead of Real Madrid. In particular, currently several Madrid players have suffered injuries while playing matches with their national team.

It's no different from Barcelona, ​​one of their mainstay players also seems to have to be sidelined for an undetermined period of time. and this is what is unique about football, we will not know for sure which team will finish at the top at the end of the season. it could be Girona, after all in football anything can happen. Also, don't forget that there are other teams like ATM who will take advantage of the momentum of the situation that is happening to their rival team. although I still believe and believe that it is likely that Real Madrid and Barcelona will win the La Liga trophy this season. Let's just enjoy it, maybe it will add to the excitement of the competition.

I still have confidence that Lyon will slowly return to the right track. however, for now they will need a phase of squad development and improvement. We'll see how far Grosso can take his squad. So far, he has only led Lyon for 6 matches. and just give him a chance first, at least he will get to the heart of the problems facing his squad and start to fix them. After all, the Lyon squad is not a team that has just been involved in Lique 1. However, it seems that in the last few seasons, Lyon has really slumped this season.

As I said, we don't know for sure why Lyon is so badly off this season. Besides, I don't have much of the latest information regarding this team. but what is certain is that several quite good players left in the last summer window. and these things could have an impact on their current squad, especially if the new players as their brides have not been able to show their best performance. But don't worry, this competition still has lots of matches to improve their ranking. At least, his focus is currently in the safe zone. Now Grosso just needs to improve his squad in all aspects, but they are starting to improve with two games without defeat. although, in fact, the players they have shown are not ideal. We'll see, every development.

Actually, we or I can accept this idea, the only problem is that we will involve emotions in the game session and don't forget about that. Emotions will form when we have a gambling session, when we try to trick our own minds, but not with emotions. Let's just say we are in a bad week, 1, 2, 3, 4 and so on the defeats we get, a feeling will arise that forms the emotion of anger. and, it can appear suddenly, especially when we are in the disappointment phase. losing, again and again.

I apologize in advance, that the facts are not as easy as we say. maybe we can overcome it once in a while, but if it happens repeatedly, it will still become a problem for our gambling. today we will, tomorrow too, the day after tomorrow and so on maybe. We never know when the right time will be to win, and defeat is certain. but it's not wrong if you try it, and maybe it will be effective for someone, even most gamblers. but not for me, I like to play as naturally as possible. without the need to deceive our minds, we know exactly what is actually happening. But, for once, there is no problem with this idea. In fact, it's okay to try and test. It's just that for me personally, it's no different from self-control. After all, basically, we will practice during betting sessions. Whether it is effective or not depends on each person or situation.

In my case, it happened indirectly. in our society, there are habits that seem to have become culture at that time. If there is a wedding event, local people will come together to help run the wedding the next day. While waiting for morning, the adults who stayed up late will do a kind of mini casino. however, in group play. If anyone is in my country, they will definitely understand things like this. In short, there will be many groups divided into gambling, there are those who play rummy, dominoes, capsah, which are basically dominated by card games. There are those who bet using real money, there are also those who just have fun without risking anything.
The point is, without being taught or on purpose, I understood for myself what they were doing. and in the end, I got to know gambling.

Well, it's different from soccer betting and all that. of course, someone will teach or give tips. over time, gambling became familiar to me. If we talk about losing and winning, both traditional gambling, land-based casinos and online casinos, I think it's a common problem. if only, if I pulled back or repeated the past. and I wasn't interested at first, maybe I wouldn't have known about gambling until now and that doesn't rule out the possibility. but in fact, we are already involved so far.  So what else should we look for besides fun. if I want money, then work. If I want to have fun by spending just a few dollars, that's fine. most importantly, consistency and responsibility.

At least for me now, it's no use calculating profits and losses. Let me tell you a little about my experience, if I calculate how much I lost due to gambling, especially in the past. I don't know how much money I spent at the gambling table, it's definitely not a small amount. Well, now the question actually contradicts the title of this thread. Do I have to calculate past losses even if they happened a decade ago? and now, I am involved in crypto casino gambling. Long story short, before I didn't have a greater understanding of gambling, what responsibility was and what self-control was. The point is, I act as I please to carry out gambling sessions. as a result, do I make a profit? It's clear, the answer is not at all.

Now, I am involved in the world of crypto casinos. however, after going through various processes, experiences and so on. I have a slightly more extensive understanding of gambling itself, which brings responsibility along with self-control. Apart from that, the importance of knowledge for me. especially sports gambling. I have to know the various aspects related to it, as well as other variables. why, the answer is simple, which gambler wants to always lose in his gambling, 99% will answer no. Therefore, what should we do so as not to experience defeat? knowledge and science are needed, so that we can think as we should. then the question is, do you make a profit? refer to this thread. The answer is very varied, depending on how we think. If we sum it up as a whole, almost most will answer no. then, why still gamble?, if it's really detrimental.

For me it's simple, yesterday is the past, today is what we live, tomorrow is a mystery. Likewise with gambling, we cannot predict when we will get a profit, let alone a jackpot. Today I lost, tomorrow maybe not. This hour I win, the next minute nothing is certain. The point is, it depends on how we treat gambling itself. if you lose, you should stop. because it's no longer fun. On the other hand, if we win, there is still tomorrow, we can have fun with it. So, I don't need to calculate profit and loss for now, let alone question whether I made a profit. the answer, not certain and not important for most people, is as simple as that.

Anyway, everyone has their own way of thinking and opinions. what I say, not necessarily people will agree.

We've discussed several times what you said, yep, like the contents of your thread. I'm quite sure, most of our society is very aware of what streamers do wherever the platform on which they create their gambling content is done. I don't see if there is any problem going on, or any conspiracy for that matter. I think it's fine what they do. After all, as long as they are paid, and they are happy to do it, especially if they don't break the law, that is their right.

Now the problem is with us who watch it. especially for those who like watching gambling streamers. if you think the way you think in your thread, theoretically other people almost think the same way. especially, for those of us who are very familiar with gambling. maybe yes, for beginners or amateur gamblers. they will be amazed, by what they have just witnessed.
Just imagine, quite a few streamers bet with fantastic value, regardless of whether it is true or not. the point is, now on ourselves.

For me, all of that doesn't matter and just consider it entertaining entertainment. especially, when they carry out hysterical acts. Funny enough isn't it, can't we just see it from the other side instead of focusing on what they won. Yep, it's that simple for me.

Ah, sorry about earlier. It seems, you lack references if there are several countries that prohibit gambling. If I'm not mistaken, we've discussed it in several threads on gambling discussion boards. I don't need to look far for a reference to say which countries prohibit gambling, because in my country gambling is now prohibited. era changed era, in the past gambling was still allowed, especially lotteries which were managed by the state. and currently, gambling is prohibited by the laws and regulations of our country.

If we talk about Asia, as far as I know there are some who still prohibit it. although recently, many ASEAN countries have legalized it. Well, for the Middle East it's different again. We don't need to look for references to strengthen our arguments, but it is clear that legally and the rules that apply there clearly prohibit it. especially, for very religious middle eastern countries. This prohibition did not just happen, of course it has gone through a long process, especially for my country.

For some Middle Eastern countries, it seems like some have never actually legalized gambling. It's only natural, because they have their own rules. So, now you probably know that there are countries where gambling is not legal. and this is the opposite of what is in your country. not only children under the age of +18, but applies to all people in the country. even though in this era, everyone can access casinos via smartphone and the internet. The point is, the state cannot completely control it even if they block access.  After all, there are various ways, even some online fiat casinos provide tips for opening locked services and that is the fact.

I think the answer is very relative, depending on each individual or the gamblers themselves. however, there is nothing wrong with what you said. It could be said, in general, many gamblers get trapped when they get high wins. The desire to do it again and again will affect our minds and psychology which is formed from dopamine. repeating victory after victory is something that makes us happy, especially as our experience increases, our level of getting higher wins will form by itself. Well, things like that are usually common problems and are our shared experience. So, gambling is complex and not just as you say. there are many reasons, assumptions, in every gambler.

But let's talk from your side, yes I agree that addiction to gambling can be triggered when we experience loss after loss. In most cases, our emotions are unconsciously involved to a greater extent, especially with the emotion of anger. things like this often make us lose control of ourselves. When the time comes when our money runs out, then we realize that we have been carried away by a condition of anger that causes us to lose self-control. and believe it or not, this experience will almost be experienced by most gamblers. for beginners, they will feel disappointment, depression and so on. For those who are familiar with gambling and understand it properly, this is part of the risk.