I have one 5830 left if you interested?

Link or picture please.  Will is work on a late 2008 macbook unibody?

Update

I have a ABS III 1100 watt (80 Plus Gold) for BTC8.75 plus shipping.

But if they "see something as their best interest", couldn't this be a form of "soft" coercion?  Lets say I know are consequences to not play ball by implied punishment or social ostracization?  Then something is not truly voluntary because there is a false choice in a sense.  Your word voluntary feels very loaded in the manner you use it.  

In your AnCap world, if we make an agreement and you loan me money.  I renege on our agreement and you know I have the money that is owed and I ignore your peaceful non-violent attempts to retrieve it, what are your options at that point?  Also, what are my consequences overall.   I would like to understand that from your own words more.  

Enforceability is a major issue I see as a problem outside my worry that your stated policy of N.A.P. (non-violence) is just that, a policy that at anytime you could break and then we would have not unbiased 3rd party to uphold my rights if I was the weaker person in this situation.  A private [court] would have its bias because of the monetary relationship,  it corrupts them slightly if not all the way from my point of view.  Not saying corruption doesn't exist in other systems along with our current one in the U.S. (where I live).

I have this board and it has been solid for me.   

Ok, heck, I am going to organize something.   Do we to do something before or after the New year?

Having cited sources to original source documents is important.   I just can't take someones word for it, especially when in the final 2 mins he stated his stance on the issue that just reinforces your argument.  What I am saying is he wasn't a disinterested historian or researcher. 

But I have a treat for you about this time period, read "Debt: The first 5,000 years" by Dr. David Graeber.  A portion of the book talks about exactly this time period and the bibliography has a bunch of sources that might enforce or enlighten your use of this example.

I feel for your loss but you should of asked before hand on such a major change like payment methods.  I can see him being upset and not trusting because you took this initiative before consulting him.   Have you heard of Uber?   Get a town car and maybe try that?

Debate is a formal method of attack against an idea (or defending it).  I tried to give actual reasons on why I do not support this idea and some of its flaws. 

Watching now, I will respond afterwards.   Good find, never heard of him.  

Update:   Great video (3-parts), I might actually buy his DVD.   Thinking you don't hear often from someone trained in traditional thought on monetary issues.

@ Myrkul - It is funny I am being called an "Asshole" when I watched the video requested and actually went over the content involved.   I see no response to that.

You tell me I am blowing hot smoke when I asked you to actually say it out loud, after a couple replies you mentioned that you actually understood what I am saying.  You just didn't like my grammar.

What it signals to me when you do not respond to comments that are directed at you even per your instructions (watch the video and comment) for this debate, is that you don't have a real response or just have personal attacks on how someone words something or that you just think they are an:  asshole, idiots, numb-nuts, etc....   It really discredits what your main point it overall, which I believe deserves a real debate.

Now you threaten to "ignore" me because you don't like what I am saying, even though I am not insulting you personally.  That furthermore shows how weak your original argument.   But like I messaged you in private, I respect your opinion, just disagree with it.    You don't seem to want to reciprocate that respect back.  

After reading other comments on this thread, I am not the only one that is mentioning similar issues.  If you are that dug in to this position, just state it and then we can mark your posts are propaganda for a specific point of view and not actual debate.


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Dalkore

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Your "video", is just some guy talking.  He says things like "the leading authority on ancient Ireland" but gives no citation (4:40 I finally get my first citation of a Professor but it was only about the Jurists).   Also, what is funny is that the society they are talking about is a two-class gentry system.   He doesn't mentioned the "non-landed" people and where their place was.  HAHAHAHA.   I bet they had a great place and many rights and equal standing in the courts. 

I love how he emphasizes that is was a completely private and "THERE WAS NO OTHER JUDGES".   I bet is was completely fair and just and your standing in the community didn't affect the outcomes.   Also, if you thought you had a case against me, you would bring your sureties (paid thugs basically) and could "seize" me and proclaim your suit, also I am considered a debtor to you until proven credit-worthy.

I could go on.  He makes two minutes of value statements against a centralized government at the end.   Also, there was only one citation in the whole video.

Yes, when you talking about absolutes, there is a possibility of making a self-detonating statement.  Sadly I needed to write that to make the statement.   

So you did understand what I said, quite playing games and state your case or go home.

Try reading it out load a few times, ponder the meaning.   Comments like that don't get you away from the statement.   I am immune to such tactics, you will need to confront the statement instead.


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I have one 5830 left for around $50.

It is not beyond reproach, it needs extensive reform and possible a total restructuring.   But replacing it with a headless voluntary capitalist society would be even worst than the two-class system we have now. 

It is not voluntary to not murder, plunder, rape, excessive pollute and conspiracy for my demise, period.