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15941  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Core 0.16.0 Released on: April 11, 2018, 10:10:56 AM
Once downloaded how long will it take to sync?
It depends on your hardware. It will take somewhere between a few hours and a few days.

Thanks for that. I thought it took close to around 3 days the previous time I tried to sync last year but the blockchain has obviously increased since then.
15942  Economy / Services / Re: DEV REQUIRED: Relaunching a Dying Coin on: April 10, 2018, 11:43:50 PM
Can you share the shortlist of coins?

If he should share this, it then mean that he has disclose the particular coin because by the time elimination started applying on the coins listed, it won't be long before someone finds out which coin they are planning to develop and it simply means creation wealth for someone else. @Op you need to also be careful in disclosing to all of the intending developers because some people would indicate their interest in other to get the information then act on it to rip off the market because based on the little information you have disclosed the getting hands on the particular coin before being made public is nothing short of Inside Information.

Thank you audaciousbeing I really appreciate it, you hit the nail on the head. I remember when Kitteh-Lynx was forked people not holding Kitteh jumped on it and bought plenty in advance. No doubt same for other crypto forks and upgrades.

As soon as we decide which dev we will work with we will start the project and keep it under wraps until everything is ready to go. We will have to trust a dev and partially pay upfront so we have to be sure we ge the right person to work with us.
15943  Economy / Services / Re: DEV REQUIRED: Relaunching a Dying Coin on: April 10, 2018, 11:14:14 PM
Can you share the shortlist of coins?

Sure we will share the shortlist with devs who are interested in working with us and only after we think they are suitable to work on our project.
15944  Economy / Services / Re: DEV REQUIRED: Relaunching a Dying Coin on: April 10, 2018, 06:32:58 PM
Can you tell us more about the coin? Is it POS/POW with masternode or only POS? I'm interested but i want to know more about the coin first.

Cheers.

Thank you for showing interest. We have narrowed it down to a tiny shortlist but it should be POW with masternode.
15945  Economy / Services / Re: OFFERING MY SERVICE on: April 10, 2018, 06:07:31 PM
You should take a look at the following websites (more chances of finding a job):

1. XBTFreelancer
2. WorkingForBitcoins
3. cryptogrind
4. Coinality
5. Jobs4Bitcoins
6. BitGigs
7. Digiwave

Take note: Can't vouch for them (since I haven't used them).

And I don't have any Idea to the PROFILE that yo're saying.
I think "coupable" is referring to having your own "resume / CV".

I just posted a job for "Dev Wanted". Had I seen this post I would have checked it out before posting but anyways thank you, I will check it out. I appreciate it.

Another thing I noticed is that you linked directly to the website as a king gesture to help people out. I received PMs from people adding /affid=12345 after the domain and saying they just want to help me.
15946  Economy / Services / DEV REQUIRED: Relaunching a Dying Coin on: April 10, 2018, 06:04:47 PM
A few folk from here have a coin in mind and have decided to try a fork. We are not doing this from the kindness of our hearts, we have all contributed funds towards the project with a view to making profit and money for ourselves and hopefully for other investors.

I already had some communication with devs to get quotes but the key structure is as follows:

Dev to receive 0.15 Bitcoin in advance when hired
Dev to receive 0.85 Bitcoin when coin is relaunched and open to public
Dev to receive negotiated % of the relaunched coin after 6 months loyalty period


The money for the dev and the associated costs are in place. The money for adding on to 2 very small exchanges is in place. Hope to add to 2 other exchanges (one fairly big) at time of launch. Full terms and conditions to be given later.

Right now we are just looking for an experienced dev to manage the fork as how we want it done. No PMs until specifically requested please.

If you are interested in working with us kindly post here stating who you are what experience you have. Most important of all please state why you think we should select you. Posting here means others can see the messages and if anybody has intentions of scamming then hopefully other people will point them out. Once the initial contact is made we will write via PM.

Thanks Smiley
15947  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Core 0.16.0 Released on: April 10, 2018, 02:01:05 PM
Once downloaded how long will it take to sync?
15948  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash on: April 10, 2018, 11:27:51 AM
If I may add, those Lutherans was just confined around Germany, Austria (if my memory serves me right) and didn't gain enough traction from the Catholic community, maybe they swayed a few but Catholics remain the dominant religious group throughout centuries and Lutherans didn't took off as expected.

Similar to what we are seeing today, after the split there was an attempt by BCH fanboys to overthrow Bitcoin, with negative attacks and spamming the bitcoin network, but they didn't succeed. Community knows better who are behind Bitcoin Cash, all greedy individuals who are trying to portray Bitcoin Cash as the new Bitcoin, but what happened? no support from our community. Just like what we have witnessed during the religious schism in the 15th-16th century.

Nicely put. Having purchased "bitcoin.com" years ago to directly challenge "bitcoin.org" to try and influence the path forward simply because the whales had thousands of Bitcoin. Failing in that they added along with fancy slogans a host of PR in an attempt to take over the Bitcoin project by replacing it with Bitcoin Cash. Their exercise failed.

I have no interest in the politics between the BTC and BCH camps but I can safely say it seems Bitcoin Cash was created as a deliberate act to destroy and hijack Bitcoin under the guise of "we are doing it for Satoshi and his real vision for the sake of saving Bitcoin and helping the community".

Bitcoin Cash could have been a revolutionary innovation to maybe even succeed Bitcoin in the long run but in the end it seems a cheap immitation by a group of power-grabbing power-hungry greedy profit seeking whales who wanted to be in total control of the coin that would take over from Bitcoin at all costs. They failed in an opportunity to bring something special to the table for the sake of the community but in the end their desire to destroy Bitcoin and the team behind Bitcoin was the real driving force along with free coins from the fork that drove the whales to create Bitcoin Cash.

Bitcoin Cash is nothing more or less than any other crypto out there, it has not and probably will not touch Bitcoin.

15949  Other / Meta / Re: Get Donator status by donating 10 BTC on: April 10, 2018, 11:11:20 AM
Interesting. Which projects are being run by OGNasty Tesla PowerWall?

I believe Gunthar means nastymining, take a look here : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1783328.0

P.s : if you want to join it then like any other projects in the crypto world, do your search, study the project, ask trusted members that joined it then take your decision.

Thanks for the link InvoKing, it makes very interesting reading.

I have seen some projects claiming to be super eco-friendly but in the end all crypto investors want returns and most do not care about how the funds are generated.

In an ideal world eco-friendly crypto mining (and all things associated with datacenters, servers, electricity etc) are very important but at this stage of the game most people have no interest except profit. Even most of those pushing eco-friendly businesses forward just want to make a profit and not contribute to the cause. Intersting project though.
15950  Economy / Economics / Re: Crypto Exchanges vs Instant Swaps (changelly, shapeshift) on: April 09, 2018, 09:53:37 PM
I used Changelly.com the other day for the first time and it was excellent. It has a better exchange rates than Shapeshift.io and I did not like the Shapeshift reviews

Maybe the days of exchanges are numbered now that instant exchange is available rather than buy/sell walls on exchanges

Do you think exchanges might become irrelavant in the coming years? The only advantage they seem to have is that investors can send their crypto to their addresses instead of having multiple wallets on their own desktop. With Changelly and Shapeshift growing they are causing problems for exchanges and provide greater anonymity too with no AML/KYC required

Exchanges will not become irrelevant anytime soon.

Instant swap sites have 2-5% margin. They are good for small amounts or one-time deals. But it's impossible to use it for daily trading. You can't compare 2%-5% with exchanges commission of 0%-0.2%.

Yes that is the biggest thing holding instant swaps back, their margins are currently much bigger but some exchanges rip people off by charging withdrawal fees and transactions fees
15951  Other / Meta / Re: Get Donator status by donating 10 BTC on: April 09, 2018, 09:52:17 PM
Are people still donating?

As far as I am aware of, no. The donation page was updated last time in April 2017. Not everyone is affording to pay +$70,000 and mining Bitcoin is not as profitable and easy as before.
Not even sure donators funds are needed anymore: sent Theymos a PM months ago to donate and got ignored.
I then decided to support some members of this forum and their projects like OGNasty Tesla PowerWall and other projects. Great stuff.
Besides the "forum" itself there is the community behind it that worths other people support as well.

Interesting. Which projects are being run by OGNasty Tesla PowerWall?
15952  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash on: April 09, 2018, 08:09:55 PM
The more you think about it, the more appropriate it becomes as an analogy. Both sides are rather zealous in their representations that they and only they are the true adherents to the original vision of the idea (either Christianity in this example, or the concept of Bitcoin and Satoshi's original vision where Satoshi is practically a prophet), and both sides spend a great deal of time and energy trying to convert people to their side and vilifying the other side as heretics who are corrupting a pure idea for their own gain. In Christianity, it was the Catholic Church that lost its way and was corrupted and in crypto, it's Bitcoin's Board that refuses to address the block size. The spam attack on the BTC blockchain to try and make it unusable is practically a holy war to try and force people into converting to BCH. The way people behave in both religion and the crypto schism between BTC and BCH, from the self-righteous attitudes they take in regards to the other side to the vilifying or attempts to harm the other system, are strikingly similar.

When you put it that way the similarities are stark but there is a fundamental difference  Grin

As it stands Bitcoin Cash is hanging on in there but has not even slightly dented Bitcoin or the enthusiasm surrounding it. If the whales were to create a fork from Bitcoin with a view to helping the community long term then Bitcoin Cash should have been pushed through with a clearer and stronger mandate with advanced attributes not possessed by Bitcoin. Just the desire to show the Bitcoin Board (as you put it) that they could fork and create a new coin was never going to be enough. It seems the Bitcoin Cash creators always had an ulterior motive which was to reap financial benefits that fork would bring but would never part with their Bitcoin regardless. If they really believed in Bitcoin Cash those whales would have got rid of the Bitcoin and that is the fundamental difference between the two scenarios because both those Christian denominations followed their own religious edicts after the split without weaving in and out of each others' teachings and without holding on to the cloth of the other group just in case they needed jump ship and follow the other group.

In this case people who gained Bitcoin Cash as a result of the fork should sell all their Bitcoin and hold their Bitcoin Cash till their hearts content, that is if they actually believe in what they preach. Those holding Bitcoin who did not want the fork but received Bitcoin Cash should by all means sell them and follow the yellow brick road to Oz via Bitcoin.
15953  Economy / Economics / Re: Crypto Exchanges vs Instant Swaps (changelly, shapeshift) on: April 09, 2018, 07:38:22 PM
I used Changelly.com the other day for the first time and it was excellent. It has a better exchange rates than Shapeshift.io and I did not like the Shapeshift reviews

Maybe the days of exchanges are numbered now that instant exchange is available rather than buy/sell walls on exchanges

Do you think exchanges might become irrelavant in the coming years? The only advantage they seem to have is that investors can send their crypto to their addresses instead of having multiple wallets on their own desktop. With Changelly and Shapeshift growing they are causing problems for exchanges and provide greater anonymity too with no AML/KYC required

Many cryptobank projects now working on instant exchange using utility token for crypto-crypto and crypto-fiat exchange
The most anticipated one is Crypterium
I think in the near future, exchange will be used like traditional stock/forex exchange to get profit (speculation), while cryptobank apps used for daily transaction



That was my thinking but only time will tell. As with usual if there is a demand for something in general it usually happens and in the process lowers the cost as competitors emerge and saturate the market.
15954  Economy / Economics / Re: Crypto Exchanges vs Instant Swaps (changelly, shapeshift) on: April 09, 2018, 04:04:05 PM
If I use changelly, I actually have to download the wallet and hold the coins.

I agree that using Changelly or ShapeShift would mean you having the inconvenience of keeping wallets on your desktop when you would not have them if you put your coins on an exchange. The more they trade I am sure the rates will go down to stay competitive.
15955  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Core 0.16.0 Released on: April 09, 2018, 03:41:19 PM
How long does it take at the moment to fully sync on Ubuntu?
15956  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash on: April 09, 2018, 03:00:06 PM
So after the fork happened and Bitcoin Cash was created, as of today on CoinMarketCap it shows:

Bitcoin
capital $118,038,167,261
price $6,962.42
circulating 16,953,612
volume last 24 hrs $4,671,340,000   

Bitcoin Cash
capital $11,306,077,844
price $663.06
circulating 17,051,288
volume last 24 hrs $286,801,000   

On every count Bitcoin beats Bitcoin Cash so the question arises, what was the point of creating Bitcoin Cash? Apart from making very rich bitcoin holding people even more wealthier by creating Bitcoin Cash and adding to their portfolio it seems that there was no need for it. I hear about transactions fees and groups of devs so on being better at Bitcoin Cash but in all honestly what was the point?

Did all those advocating the demise of Bitcoin actually exchange all their BTC for BCH? I doubt it.

To me it seems Bitcoin was always going to come out on top of that battle so why did those whales pushing for the fork really do it and create Bitcoin Cash?

The point, as far as I understand it, was to make a more functional version of Bitcoin. Remember, the community was paralyzed with unreasonable transaction fees for over a year and there was consistently a backlog of hundreds of thousands of unconfirmed transactions. The block size was increasingly being viewed as inadequate to scale Bitcoin to an expanding user base (and probably still isn't, btw), and the people behind the split were seeking to address this rather than continue in the malaise since it was becoming increasingly clear that Bitcoin's leadership was unwilling or unable (and same difference, really) to institute changes that would keep Bitcoin competitive in the crypto space. It very much felt like the first mover advantage was being squandered and that Bitcoin could eventually fade to irrelevance, and the splitters sought to take corrective action. Whether or not any of that was accomplished or the motives remained pure after the split is another discussion entirely, but at the point of the split, there were entirely logical reasons for it.

What I find interesting is that the split parallels the religious split of the Lutherans from the Catholics (to use a somewhat obscure in this context but totally relevant historical analogy). The Lutherans believed the Catholic church was rife with corruption and special interests for selling indulgences to forgive sins, and believed that splitting from the church and creating their own version of the religion that was more pure and true to the original point of the church was the only way to save their own souls. Essentially, Bitcoin Cash was making the same argument- that splitting and adhering to Satoshi's original vision (which included increasing the block size) was the only way to save Bitcoin. To put it another way, Lutherans were the first hard fork.

Great analogy mixing religious theology along with technological advances. Brilliant way to study the situation between the religious fork and the crypto fork  Grin
15957  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash on: April 09, 2018, 02:57:48 PM
Bitcoin is always best as compared to  Bitcoin cash.In a year, we can expect huge raise in the price of bitcoin cash.Bitcoin had good support in the crypto currency market.Now the price of bitcoin cash is on the second place next to bitcoin.

How can you be so sure BCH will be second to BTC in a years time?
15958  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: WAVES vs ETHEREUM on: April 09, 2018, 02:55:32 PM
It really depends on for what purpose do you need your tokens. Because with ethereum you have many people that have built the infrastructure with many smart contracts and dapps and it might be better in a sense that you can find a lot more information, ask many more people for help etc.Although ETH has it's own decentralized exchanges which other people have built such as EtherDelta.

On waves it is much easier to deploy your tokens as you can do it with simple GUI and thus it makes it faster to deploy tokens. On the other side Waves might be cheaper. Waves might be better in a sense of volume, because there is only one DEX where most of the people trade, where as within ethereum you have different exchanges with different volumes.

I completely agree, it's funny how people get so tied up on the price of something thinking that only the price and market movements of a coin justify its usefulness.  Have you ever tried to develop or use a dApp?  If not I would research how too first before I would put any money into it so you could see the use case yourself. ... If you yourself can't justify using it, what makes you think it would have any value to anyone else you personally know?
Edit: I think this is more suitable for altcoin discussion sections

Thanks for the reply. The Mods can move this thread if I opened it in the wrong place but thank you for highlighting it.

I never used dApp and never heard of it and I have no plans to have my own ICO or tokens.

I just wanted to ask for opinons on what it was that made most people choose ETH over WAV for tokens and ICOs
15959  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: WAVES vs ETHEREUM on: April 09, 2018, 12:49:49 PM
It really depends on for what purpose do you need your tokens. Because with ethereum you have many people that have built the infrastructure with many smart contracts and dapps and it might be better in a sense that you can find a lot more information, ask many more people for help etc.Although ETH has it's own decentralized exchanges which other people have built such as EtherDelta.

On waves it is much easier to deploy your tokens as you can do it with simple GUI and thus it makes it faster to deploy tokens. On the other side Waves might be cheaper. Waves might be better in a sense of volume, because there is only one DEX where most of the people trade, where as within ethereum you have different exchanges with different volumes.

You can create and launch tokens using WAVES and release them if soft/hard caps have been reached and buy those tokens using BTC, visa/mastercard, ETH, WAVES, LTC and maybe more. The exchange to trade is fairly straight forward too. No real technical know-how necessary, fairly easy to use and basic to create tokens. All you need to do it is have 1 WAV in your WAVES wallet (currently just $3.47)

It seems 99% of ICOs are using ETH contracts where ETH purchases ETH tokens but WAVES can do the same things by providing greater token purchase flexibilty with multi-crypto and visa/mastercard purchase.

I am trying to understand why ETH contracts are so popular and WAVES are not
15960  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash on: April 09, 2018, 11:22:19 AM
I guess that's what makes crypto "unique" at the moment with it's unregulated nature. A group of people can create new coins if they have "ideological" differences. It was the same with ETH coming to rival Bitcoin. But with BTC and BCH, I think it was just an opportunity for more money grabbing, as compared to ETH which was for actually product development.

This is one of the best comments, thank you.

As you pointed out, at least ETH has something innovative to offer and was a direct evolution in the crypto sphere whereas so many others are simply clones of Bitcoin. In the event of Bitcoin Cash I agree with you that it does seem opportunistic by the whales for money grabbing.
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