NEO should be dead ... I mean, they copy and pasted their white paper ... LOL 

Lol. ... You didn't think that one through, now did you?  What would you say makes a coin, a good coin for beginners?  Certainly the time it takes to mine with proper equipment doesn't have anything to do with whether or not it is a good coin for beginners.  There really is no such thing as a coin that is not good for beginners.  

A beginner can choose what coins to mine just as someone who's been doing it for years based on what level of speculation they are comfortable with.

Ask me again in five years.

7-8 months ago I thought Metroid was a medium size miner, trying to convince people not to buy up gpu's during the fall/winter btc bull run of 2017.  And into 2018, as gpu prices went through the roof, I agreed with him.  His numbers were usually way off on gpu prices, because I think he was getting them from re-sellers, but I did agree with the point.  I personally had only been mining for a couple months when I noticed him, but I thought he was putting fear into the minds of people that were spending a ton of money on something that would never even give them a return.  I thought he was doing this for his own benefit, to be honest.

He was and probably still is saying some really negative things about gpu mining, but what he really should have been saying was ... Be prepared to mine and not sell until the time is right.  That may be a year from now, or it could be five years from now.  Be prepared to mine until those gpu's and dead, pay for the electricity out of your own pocket ... And still hold your coins until the time is right.

That's when I learned that mining was never meant to be a largely profitable endevour on a day to day basis.  As I look back ... I have a friend/previous co-worker that mined with a couple 1070 or 1070ti's (can't remember which) when he was telling me capital recovery was 7 months on the hardware.  This was probably spring of 2017, maybe a little before.  He didn't understand difficulty, hashrate, used nicehash, ect ... Pretty sure he didn't even know what an asic was at that point.  He just thought he was always going to be able to do what he did and get the same prize for ever and ever.  Mining profitability kept going up and I started to build out my small home mining farm in the fall of 2017.  

I started mining zen and zec ... xmr on my first amd rig.  For 90 days, I was rolling in the cash (although I still haven't sold any crypto to this day).  Only mined and traded for btc.  Btc dropped, alts dropped, asics for ethash and equihash were introduced.  Started spec mining ... One coins  that I still believe in is what I'm still spec mining and will wait for months, if need be.  

The point is that mining isn't a business that you can take fiat from on a day to day basis, and be profitable.  Never was and never will be.

If you care about current profitability, you aren't buying any mining hardware.  The key is to not care about "current" profitability.

Or you could just read and make your own judgments.

What does this have to do with alt coin mining?

LOL  Sure, if they can continue to buy the SEC.  Swindling toilet.

I don't have any ASIC's, but I wouldn't buy the S9.  If you're going to buy a btc miner from shitmain, wait for the first batch of the next gen btc asic.  Currently, they are just trying to offload a bunch of dog shit for as much as they can get for that dog shit.

I also don't believe that the 5800-6000 range was the bottom, so my 15K usd is in cash at the moment.  Still mining away at the shitcoins that haven't been taken over by asic's and holding/trading for btc.   

If you're mining, take a lesson from this guy that I just quoted.  Mining and selling anything daily, weekly, monthly in the current environment is nuts.  Sell your mined coins for btc when the pair value is where you want it to be.

No one that seriously mines XMR, gives a rats fuck about the price.    ... You're new huh? LOL. 

LOL  ... WRONG!

If I had 50k of extra capital right now, I wouldn't purchase additional mining hardware.  I would start trying to figure out where you think the bottom of btc is.  Learn to trade on some level.  No need to day trade.  Dollar cost average in what you want to hold for the next few years.  That's what I'm doing with my extra 15K.  I also wouldn't be hell bent on selling in one year.  Could be in for a disappointment, if this is loaned capital that you have to pay back in one year without interest.

Not six months ago, but I built my gpu farm in November 2017.  Not the best of times to buy gpu's, but not the worst either.  Haven't sold a single thing for fiat.  I don't really plan to for a few years at least.  I mine, trade for btc when the mined-alt/btc value is good, and I'm still on par for what I expected.  Don't build a gpu farm on credit, have funds to pay your electricity costs out of your other pocket, learn when to trade your mined alts for btc, and don't be an idiot.  I don't care what my fiat value is or if I can make a car payment with my crypto mining profits, I care how much btc I can get in 1, 3, 6, 12. 18, 24, 36, 48 months with the hardware that I have.  That is all.

Read one post above, newbie.

Let's not be moronic douche bags while giving advice, please.

How to make a good post ... Shut the fuck up, read more, and stop yourself from trying to make a good post.  After a few months, you'll get the hang of it.

I think the people contributing to this thread as of late who speak proper English are few and far between.  I almost feel that way about this entire forum.  Tired of decoding the bullshit.

LOL  If you would have said that one day earlier, you would have been dead wrong, because btc fell several hundred dollars in the past 24 hours.

Exactly.  Get rich quick miners who invested too much in hardware and don't have the funds to pay for electricity can't wait months or years, before they run out of steam.  They had a bad business plan from the beginning and now they are shitting their pants.    ... It's the difference between those who mine for daily profit and those who mine for annual or longer time frame profits.

My business plan back in the fall of 2017 was based on pure speculation, as should all who are developing a mining plan today.  Don't put all of your eggs in one basket.  Don't put all of your available funds into mining hardware.  Learn to trade, learn to read charts and indicators.  Buy coins for long term holding and set aside a small percentage to trade, just to learn.

Personally, I don't sell any mined coins for fiat, and probably won't for a couple more years.  I do trade mined alts for btc though, when the time is right.  I think that's the most important part of gpu mining shit coins right now.  Know when to trade them for btc.