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161  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Fair Profit for Coin Founders on: July 09, 2013, 08:05:12 AM
So you want me to give all my ideas to the founder of another coin?  Why would I do that?  It's like Gates saying, hey jobs, here's office for you computer Cause it's lacking that.

Sorry man, as much as I want to see a great coin launched and also a good charity coin, there's no way I'm just gonna give away anything I've got to make some other guy's coin better instead of focusing on trying to get mine off the ground.  I'm glad to see you're that trusting and giving but I'm not.


Well, as I see it you are not the Gates or the Job, because you can't code - so your metaphor is out of the windows right away.

As to the "why" question, if you have not heard of it, let me remind you:
Ideas are dozens a dime - and this comes from the founder of the multimillion dollar CDBaby.com

Why? Because your ideas will likely be wasted anyway, never to take shape and just vapor into nothingness as speculative talk.
(I don't know you, but you said you "can't code" + "no money" + "profit driven" = FAIL)


And I get a thanks and he gets rich.
You are in control of whom you trust to share your ideas.
Plus the person who gets rich off your contributed ideas, proving he is smart enough, will quickly recognise that you are an asset to him.
He will be incentivised to share the profit with you, because he knows you are the one who will make him even richer.

His wealth depends on you - the multiplier
162  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Decrits: The 99%+ attack-proof coin on: July 09, 2013, 07:45:06 AM
There are more than one hatcher, so on aggregate, the big picture will give you clear patterns of honest profiles.

It's not possible for the cheater to choose which hatcher to handle it's transaction. Plus even if they do manage to cheat through Ip and Mac adress as you described, there will be lots more signals they can't game, such as EMU age, graph, and so on (each EMU unit can have a stamp separate from the wallet it belongs too to identify it's mint date, for example.).

Re google centralization: sure keeping the info private does help, but that doesn't mean they are not known to spammers. Quality rating guidelines of Google leak out to the web every now and then. But that doesn't matter.

As long as you make the system a "pain in the ass" to manipulate, then there will be no incentive for ppl to do so, because it will be more profitable to just cooperate with the system and do what you are supposed to do, like an honest user.

The key is not whether it is centralized or decentralized, it's about giving more incentives for people to cooperate.
163  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Fair Profit for Coin Founders on: July 09, 2013, 07:13:04 AM
I Simply don't have the money to launch a charity coin.  I'm not working a regular Job and I have 2 kids. I'm struggling.  That's what I meant. I thought if I had success with a for profit coin then i could easily launch a charity coin.  

I can't give to charity when I'm charity myself.  Tough spot to be in.

another reason to join eMunie, Wink we are already doing what you envisioned, plus the founder Dan is a talented experienced dev himself - that's why I joined it (I can't code these things myself, but I had ideas, visions for a digital currency).

I shared my ideas with the founder, and they were taken onboard (compare original system vs. this new update) - more than 70% of original ideas were changed because people like me cared to join and make it a better system.

Everyone has his/her own strength, and from my experience of bootstrap outsourcing over 100 freelancers to date, I can tell right of the bat, that if you are thinking of a software development project, but can't code it yourself, consider it FAILED!!! (unless you have millions $ to drain).
164  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Fair Profit for Coin Founders on: July 09, 2013, 06:53:43 AM
But I first have to make money cause I can't launch a pure charity coin with no money.  I wish I could.

If you think everything is about money and profit, then I think you are on a wrong track.

Money and profit all boil down to one thing "power & control".
But Steeve Jobs and Bill Gates, while motivated by such things, weren't doing it for power & control, they did it because it is their purpose/mission in life, just like passionate actors/singers act/sing because that is what they LOVE doing, because it's their passion and what life means to them.

If you lived in medieval age, you did not need to have money/gold or silver to feed and take care of the orphans, you just needed to be a king.

These days you can accomplish similar things by being a president, but not as easily as it was for the dictating king 300 years ago.
165  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Fair Profit for Coin Founders on: July 09, 2013, 06:17:58 AM
@Vlad2Vlad, honestly you should check out emunie, you sound like exactly what this community is all about.

I've talked to the founder Fuserleer last month just exactly what your OP was describing, and while there is no official announcement yet, I'm very sure the eMunie Foundation will work similar to how you described as a fair premine system, though it will be no where close to 25% you suggested, it will just be a tiny tiny cut from all EMU minted on a continuous basis.

That way founding members have vested interest to keep pushing things forward constantly and make the currency a success, because if it's not, they will receive little or nothing.
166  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Decrits: The 99%+ attack-proof coin on: July 08, 2013, 06:29:35 PM
I don't know if exactly what a "mediator" is is explained anywhere, but the exchange accounts are definitely centralized from what I briefly read on their forum. Basically "people we select to prove you aren't gaming the system", because they have apparently realized that doing things like checking IPs and whatnot cannot work.

The exchange will be decentralized as it will be integrated right into the wallet client. The role of third party services will then only serve as payment processors, as bid/ask orders matching are already handled by the network itself.

There is a plan to release API for the exchange.

Doing things like checking IP, eMugraph, etc. each on its own is gameable and not foolproof, but when combined together, it will make it nearly impossible to manipulate the signals.
Example: you can make tons of different IPs, but if they all come from the same Mac Ip, it's an obvious fail attempt. This example is perfectly illustrated by Google and the way they fight web spam.

As a veteran SEO guy, I know Google has over 500 signals it uses to rank sites, and if we simply consider the merit of each of those 500 signals on their own, (example: number of backlinks) they cannot work and will be easily gamed.

But Google doesn't just combine those 500 signals in a linear fashion, it mixes them together through artificial learning to establish common patterns of natural vs. fake website profiles (example: backlinks with variety of link anchor text; backlinks in different forms: text/image/hotlinking; etc.) - that is what makes it harder and harder to game Google rankings these days.

Back to eMunie - we can follow Google's and Facebook's suit by increasing signals variety and scale it with artificial intelligence.
167  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: eMunie the only unique and interesting alt-coin out of all these sh*tcoins on: July 07, 2013, 11:09:38 AM
Let me clarify the pre-mine and closed source accusations:
There will be EMU Foundation at the beginning, as stated in this latest update:
http://forum.emunie.com/threads/emunie-latest-technical-and-feature-set-ramblings-29th-june-2013.143/

The foundation will consist of several key members who contributed to the project, and not just the founder Fuserleer. The members of the Foundation will be voted by others and no one can just buy their way into the foundation without genuine contribution.

The Foundation will have a certain amount of reserve set at the beginning for these purposes:
  • giveaway to people
  • fund project development
  • bounties for various services
  • buffer the high initial interest rate due to rapid network growth (so early adopters will not gain huge unfair advantages like Bitcoin or all other altcoins so far)

All spending from this Foundation reserve will be reported publicly on a quarterly basis.

eMunie will be closed source at the begining because of these reasons:
  • agile deployment (the client will be constantly updated, improved until we find a nice balance where the network becomes stable), after this period, it will be open-source
  • stop copycat alt munies
168  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work on: July 06, 2013, 04:33:17 PM
Why do you people waste your time with stuff like that?

If you spend all your time on improving bitcoin, that would really help.
What does a different proof of work change?
- it does not change that transactions have to be collected in a block
- it does not change that you have to wait for x confirmations
- it does not change that blocks have to broadcasted
- it does not change .. anything
=> it makes some richer Wink
169  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [eMunie] Latest update, lots of new features and improvements. on: July 06, 2013, 02:21:48 PM
And if all else fails, you at least you have the backing of the worst browser ever with this coin.

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IE 9 and IE 10 are actually getting better.

As a web designer and frontend developer, I used to hate IE and haven't used it for half a decade, but one day my regular "Joe" friend who is a game addict told me IE was faster than Chrome.
I was suspicious the least to believe him that Chrome could ever be slower than IE, but some testing results indeed show that not only IE 9/10 is faster than any browser there is (on Windows Cool, they consume the least CPU/RAM resources as well (just open your task manager with the browsers on having multiple tabs open to compare).

So now I'm back to using IE for most regular browsing.

P.S. eMunie is not a "coin", see the logo? does it look like a coin? or more like an electronic chip?
170  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] eMunie (EMU) - NOT a BitCoin fork/clone - call for beta testers on: July 06, 2013, 02:11:52 PM
1) 51% attack like Bitcoin is not possible, because eMunie has a block Tree transaction system, not block Chain, unlike Bitcoin. Every branch in that block tree can be valid and contain transactions. In fact there is almost nothing similar between the two.
here is detailed page explaining how it works

There is no official whitepaper yet, Fuserleer is still busy working on beta client. But i will put up some infographic and illustration later to demonstrate this system.
To be able to attack eMunie with brute force the attack will need to own something like 95% of the network, which is impossible to accomplish, unless there is hack we don't yet know of.

2) Price stabilization is just speculation atm, but with dynamic demand/supply system, hoarding will likely be less profitable than selling when it's high and buying when it's low.
The system aims for a stable price, estimated 1EMU = $1USD

For more info, I honestly suggest checking out this link first, we don't post much info here at all, only major updates.
http://forum.emunie.com/threads/newbies-read-me-first.117/
171  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Litecoin on: July 04, 2013, 11:11:26 AM
Fundamentally from user's point of view there is not much difference, except transaction speed of 2.5 minutes per block instead of the average 10 mins of bitcoin.

Also in the long term Bitcoin will be more susceptible to 51% attacks if an outside entity decides to take the whole network down with a bunch of mass produced asics.

For now since there is not ASICs for litecoin, such attacks are less likely to happen, so in some way you could say LItecoin is less prone to 51% attack, but in saying that if Bitcoin ever gets taken down, I doubt LTC will be able to stand still, since its just another fork chain built based on Bitcoin codes.
172  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Interested in starting mining on: July 04, 2013, 11:07:43 AM
Mining bitcoin is too late now, you better off mine one of the altcoins like Litecoin that are still reasonable easiy and profitable to mine, the USB eruptor will probably not make your invest back ever, since the difficulty will sky rocket in a few months when more asics are being shipped.
173  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: new kind of media revenue on: July 04, 2013, 11:05:22 AM
lol, most quality content on the web are already free and ad-free in many cases, like stack.exchange
174  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Where will Bitcoin go on: July 04, 2013, 11:04:16 AM
I think the prices will bounce back to around 120 USD, that's where it belongs
175  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: litecoin rig on: July 04, 2013, 10:24:24 AM
Even if ASICS ever come out it will take at least another year or two. Litecoin for now will only be reasonably profitable if you mine and hoard teh coins until the value increases several folds. Difficulty has more than tripled in the space of 3 month now for LTC.

Alternatively, check out eMunie - this new crypto currency is still under beta testing, but when launched it will not need GPUs to earn money.
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