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161  Economy / Securities / Re: [Ice-Dice.com] 0% Investor Commission! | Multiple Languages | Invest or Play on: October 31, 2013, 01:35:36 AM
New photo:

Can you tell what you mean by photo ? Are you renting the same car and phone as


or the same background as in


? Or is this a service that generates these images ?

Yup it's a website that makes these images from screenshots:
https://placeit.net
162  Economy / Securities / Re: [Ice-Dice.com] 0% Investor Commission! | Multiple Languages | Invest or Play on: October 31, 2013, 12:20:17 AM
New photo:

163  Local / Espaņol (Spanish) / Re: Ice Dice | Sitio de Apuestas con Bitcoin | Obtenga Gratis 500,000 Satoshi !! on: October 31, 2013, 12:15:05 AM
cuales son las bonificaciones ?

0.005BTC
164  Local / 中文 (Chinese) / Re: [Ice-dice.com] 免费赠送0.005BTC给新的玩家 on: October 30, 2013, 09:53:01 PM
玩了几把,庄家优势2%,界面还行

谢谢, 有什么我们可以改进的地方?
165  Economy / Securities / Re: [Ice-Dice.com] 0% Investor Commission! | Multiple Languages | Invest or Play on: October 30, 2013, 09:52:24 PM
Update:

We now have over 1000 followers on our twitter! Thanks for the support!

https://twitter.com/BTCIceDice
166  Economy / Gambling / Re: [Ice-Dice.com] Free 0.005 BTC | 50% Referral Commission | Invest or Play on: October 30, 2013, 09:50:45 PM
Id: 28708

Thank You!

follow the instruction on the website to get your free coins.

PS: We now have over 1000 followers on twitter!
167  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Here is how i deal with users who steal my bitcoins on: October 30, 2013, 09:46:09 PM
It would be good if we can find a way to lower the barrier to entry for depositing actual coin some how.

The key is to keep them playing - same rule for every casino in the world. People have a funny habit of only remembering the wins, so when they see themselves taking those 3000 satoshis and gambling them all the way up to 10x the initial value they remember that, rather than the 20 times they lost it. Then, after a while of playing with the free coins, they start to think how easy it would be to do the same with their own coins - that is where you want to be as a site owner.

Keep them playing, for as long as possible.

What do you think about doing a video tutorial?

maybe. but maybe something like what you get when you play the first couple levels of a facebook game. where it has arrows or colourful flashing buttons/ borders to indicate what needs to be pressed so that its an interactive demo/tutorial so that it keeps true gamblers enjoying the game. and during this tutorial period they get their 50 minimal value bets. which the winnings don't instantly get added to a balance that is withdrawable. but the winnings are placed into a bonus pot once the trial is over and then get added into withdrawable funds once they played X amount of real bitcoin games.

thats one idea but basically if it takes atleast 2 hours of playing and risking peoples own money just to withdraw $1 dust winnings will deter the 'dust salary earners' but for genuine gamblers, knowing they have an extra bonus pot is an achievement they can aim for using real funds.

the other idea which is a totally different aproach is to have an advertisement between every bet of the tutorial stage, that kind of self funds the bet. thus your not losing any funds and the genuine gambler can move onto 'play for real' to get advantages like placing bigger bets because he is using own funds this time, and not having annoying adverts..

there are many ways to make it annoying for the dust gatherers. but i hope the idea's a few of us have given, inspire you

The way we have it right now is kind of similar to your suggestion of withdrawing the bonus after they played x amount of real games. right now users who get 0.005BTC needs to wager 1.5BTC before they can withdraw. Statistically that'll be pretty hard to wager 1.5BTC with 0.005BTC of starting wager, however, if they get the 0.005, then they deposit say 0.1BTC and play with 0.1005, they only need a few rounds to reach the limit, thus effectively getting the 0.005 without restriction.

I don't know if I want to add advertisement on the site. People generally don't like ads and I think it would make the site feel cheap (unless the ads is high quality brands, but they probably won't want to advertise on a bitcoin casino).
168  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Here is how i deal with users who steal my bitcoins on: October 30, 2013, 05:23:36 PM
It would be good if we can find a way to lower the barrier to entry for depositing actual coin some how.

The key is to keep them playing - same rule for every casino in the world. People have a funny habit of only remembering the wins, so when they see themselves taking those 3000 satoshis and gambling them all the way up to 10x the initial value they remember that, rather than the 20 times they lost it. Then, after a while of playing with the free coins, they start to think how easy it would be to do the same with their own coins - that is where you want to be as a site owner.

Keep them playing, for as long as possible.

What do you think about doing a video tutorial?
169  Economy / Gambling / Re: [Ice-Dice.com] Free 0.005 BTC | 50% Referral Commission | Invest or Play on: October 30, 2013, 09:05:35 AM
Best looking betting site I ever seen...  Shocked
I would like some Satoshis to play with if it is not too much to ask.
SuperResistant
User ID: 27311
Thanks.
you an get 0.005 btc free by following us on twitter. just visit the site and follow the instructions.
No problem icedicedavid, I will do it.
EDIT: It seems that I can't get anything I have an error message saying that I am not a new user. What to do ?
See our blog for detail:
http://blog.ice-dice.com

I think I know the problem : I invested and divested yesterday (after a loss), the site think I am not new anymore so I will not get any satoshis ?

Yes thats one of the check. You can create a new account from a new ip address and you should be able to bypass the check.
170  Economy / Gambling / Re: [Ice-Dice.com] Free 0.005 BTC | 50% Referral Commission | Invest or Play on: October 30, 2013, 08:41:17 AM
Best looking betting site I ever seen...  Shocked
I would like some Satoshis to play with if it is not too much to ask.
SuperResistant
User ID: 27311
Thanks.
you an get 0.005 btc free by following us on twitter. just visit the site and follow the instructions.

No problem icedicedavid, I will do it.

EDIT: It seems that I can't get anything I have an error message saying that I am not a new user. What to do ?

See our blog for detail:
http://blog.ice-dice.com
171  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Here is how i deal with users who steal my bitcoins on: October 30, 2013, 08:40:34 AM
I tried their faucet, but 3000 Satoshi but I think thats too little and I hate doing captchas. We are giving out 500,000 satoshis in for clicking a follow button, and you can actually gamble hundreds of rounds to enjoy it. Personally I don't think the people who would spend their time doing captcha for 3000 satoshis is our target customer anyway.

The first barrier to entry is getting users to actually play your game.

The second barrier to entry is getting users to deposit actual coins.

How does your giveaway address these factors better than primedice? In addition it wouldn't surprise me if what you are asking is against the twitter TOS, did you check it?

Haven't checked twitter TOS, but I don't see why it would be against twitter TOS. People do these promotion all the time, "follow us to enter a sweepstakes" or something, and from how easy it is for these guys to create fake twitter account + getting fake followers, twitter is pretty  relaxed on people doing whatever with it. If anything, it'll make them look bigger and more popular (investors would give higher evaluation now that they are going public).

It would be good if we can find a way to lower the barrier to entry for depositing actual coin some how.

when i clicked on this thread, i expected something else...

well, if you give something away for free, people will abuse it, no exception. specially when it comes to bitcoin. i created a crappy bitcoin faucet page a year ago to get deeper into the bitcoin client and so on...

before i start telling a long story, there are people sitting with botnets and other resources, they dont care about ips and amount of accounts of whatever. no matter what tasks people have to do, if it can be done by a bot, someone will write a bot for it. it doesnt even matter how much or less you give away, if it can be abused, it will be abused :/

i hope the thieves wrote you cool stories when they complaint about their missing gift, at least they did to me ^.^

about the lol ip ban guys, even 2013, if you ip ban ranges from e.g. free proxys etc, you make 12 year olds cry for not being able to steal your money. i know botnets, vpns and even people who know how to pull the plug from their moden dont care about ip bans, but well, at least you can fight a few with this as long as you know what you ip ban, otherwise you can lock out real users :/

just listen to franky1

Indeed! Now things are not so bad anymore. My log file still shows many guys are trying all the time, but pretty much all of them are blocked now by the algorithm.

Have you considered doing what PrimeDice does? They give users 3000 satoishis which users are allowed to claim once per minute (up to a limit of 5000 satoshis). The withdrawal limit is 50,000 satoshis (0.0005 BTC) so in order to actually be able to withdraw, users need to gamble those initial fee satoshis to 16.666 times their initial value.

This event has such a low probability (less than 6%) that the maths protects them from big losses due to this giveaway, which is why they are able to offer this once per minute (obviously, they need a captcha to prevent bots from running riot on it).

Cheers, Paul.

I tried their faucet, but 3000 Satoshi but I think thats too little and I hate doing captchas. We are giving out 500,000 satoshis in for clicking a follow button, and you can actually gamble hundreds of rounds to enjoy it. Personally I don't think the people who would spend their time doing captcha for 3000 satoshis is our target customer anyway.

your target customer base should not be:
*the "dust for salary" earners, so avoid withdrawable giveaways for little/no work,(captcha/follow me/like button/subscribe button)
*those that signup just to get givaway, so making it a tutorial, lengthy 'free- play" to waste their time, as they are HIGHLY unlikely going to deposit any/much into the games anyway.
those that truly want to gamble and will return time and time again like to see a easy sign-up and a nice free-play/tutorial so they can have some fun on so a free play round tutorial games would hook more people in. plus the word of mouth spreads around better that your system is fun and slightly better odds as ur not having to reduce the odds just to cover givaways

there is no point having 20,000 'likes' if it only, in reality means that 100 people can make 200 clone accounts which never go viral to actual people

Those are good tips! Maybe we can scrap the real coin giveaway and add a free-play/tutorial feature.   
172  Economy / Gambling / Re: [Ice-Dice.com] Free 0.005 BTC | 50% Referral Commission | Invest or Play on: October 30, 2013, 06:09:54 AM
Just butting in here, all rolls are verifiable at http://bitcoinmaniac.com/verify or http://bitcoinmaniac.com/icedice

sir spamalot here comes mr dice investor!/\ LOL

This is a site that you should use. It will tell you what you are supposed to roll, with the given information and Ice Dice is provably fair that way. If you can prove to us that Ice Dice is a scam, that would be great Smiley (although you wont)

never mind you are obviously are here to kiss peoples ass

and you are obviously an ass
173  Economy / Securities / Re: [Ice-Dice.com] 0% Investor Commission! | Multiple Languages | Invest or Play on: October 30, 2013, 06:09:16 AM


Yeah i don't know why you are still here, not sure what you are getting out of it.


because you never payed me out...Many years into DD, I'm a public figure... have plenty of time and a whole team of aggressive researchers who would love to chat with you..,,,just to know the truth

I don't pay people for blackmailing me. you should just give up.

you better think about what you are saying you have dug yourself a nice legal hole here already..time to jump in head first? lol

Oh yeah why did you create a new account? because I threaten to sue your old one so you want to change your identity now?

listen i've been at this investing in scam companies for about 10 years, you think this is my first rodeo? in my portfolio Ice-dice.com ranks somewhere down below my cancelled Lehman Brothers shares ! you hearing me? lmao

I didn't know you can invest in scam companies when you were only 2 years old.
174  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Here is how i deal with users who steal my bitcoins on: October 29, 2013, 11:50:05 PM
Have you considered doing what PrimeDice does? They give users 3000 satoishis which users are allowed to claim once per minute (up to a limit of 5000 satoshis). The withdrawal limit is 50,000 satoshis (0.0005 BTC) so in order to actually be able to withdraw, users need to gamble those initial fee satoshis to 16.666 times their initial value.

This event has such a low probability (less than 6%) that the maths protects them from big losses due to this giveaway, which is why they are able to offer this once per minute (obviously, they need a captcha to prevent bots from running riot on it).

Cheers, Paul.

I tried their faucet, but 3000 Satoshi but I think thats too little and I hate doing captchas. We are giving out 500,000 satoshis in for clicking a follow button, and you can actually gamble hundreds of rounds to enjoy it. Personally I don't think the people who would spend their time doing captcha for 3000 satoshis is our target customer anyway.
175  Economy / Securities / Re: [Ice-Dice.com] 0% Investor Commission! | Multiple Languages | Invest or Play on: October 29, 2013, 11:44:37 PM


Yeah i don't know why you are still here, not sure what you are getting out of it.


because you never payed me out...Many years into DD, I'm a public figure... have plenty of time and a whole team of aggressive researchers who would love to chat with you..,,,just to know the truth

I don't pay people for blackmailing me. you should just give up.

you better think about what you are saying you have dug yourself a nice legal hole here already..time to jump in head first? lol

Oh yeah why did you create a new account? because I threaten to sue your old one so you want to change your identity now?
176  Economy / Gambling / Re: [Ice-Dice.com] Free 0.005 BTC | 50% Referral Commission | Invest or Play on: October 29, 2013, 11:44:00 PM


thanks for chips to play with!

name: bitdr
user id : 27486





Best looking betting site I ever seen...  Shocked

I would like some Satoshis to play with if it is not too much to ask.
SuperResistant
User ID: 27311

Thanks.
you an get 0.005 btc free by following us on twitter. just visit the site and follow the instructions.

more lies and honestly stop using twitter, in fact that reminds me. I need to have them pull your account for obvious reasons! lol

Dude seriously? What do you have against these betting sites. You attack PrimeDice, and now Ice Dice. You lose because of PROBABILITY. Why do you learn and understand how provably fair works?

Like I said, I feel sorry for this guy. He has no life but to attack all the bitcoin casinos and waste our time.
177  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Here is how i deal with users who steal my bitcoins on: October 29, 2013, 09:31:53 PM
I don't think stealing is the word for this.

It's for editorial spiciness
178  Economy / Gambling / Re: Ice-Dice.com On Security on: October 29, 2013, 09:13:32 PM
Unfortunately, marketing doesn't make a site safe.

It is even worse that now I'm not sure if you don't know how your 2FA method works. Here is your claim about 2FA: "... they will have to steal your physical mobile phone in order to login or withdraw from your account". That is simply false, specially false "Since your computer may be infected with viruses, trojans, or key loggers ...". All they need to do is steal the 2FA key you provide in your site, which users may store in very unsafe forms. With that key they can generate as many authentication tokens as they wish, there is no need to steal a phone.

To defeat any claims you make (except possibly about the cold storage), all it takes is a single not-so-nice employer at your hosting provider fusa.be.

Well safety is relative. The point is we are trying to be as safe as we can. There is nothing we can do if our hosting company screws us over, but thats what cold storage is for. Then again, you can say that about any site who is hosting their server some where on the internet.

Do you really take people's balance and send it to bank vaults and secure geological places? This sounds a lot like Coinbase's security page!

Also compare the texts on https://coinbase.com/whitehat and https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=318347.msg3413292#msg3413292

Yes. Could you please explain the similarities?

My issue with that is that you copied their text and promoted it using your service, without ever mentioning that you didn't write that yourself but copied from coinbase (I didn't even claim you copied from them, but now you basically said that is the case). I already wrote something similar to this in your other post.

Also, I can't say what I said about every other site hosted somewhere in the internet because I personally know a couple of places that goes to much greater extent to actually protect their servers. The lack of security starts with one server holding all your application, which happens to be the same one directly exposed to everyone accessing your site. It is annoying to see a marketing site claiming to be safe, and giving a false sense of security to their users.

What are those servers that you recommend? I wouldn't mind checking them out.

Soooo what you have typed is a lie and is copied from coinbase?

no it's not a lie, just because apple can make iphone that can make calls doesn't mean google can't make android to make calls. We are doing everything listed there. We just decided to make it public like coinbase did.

The thing is that you (almost) copied coinbase's statement word for word.

for the bug bounty program?

Well I noticed that your security page is very similar to Coinbase's and someone else noticed the bug thing.

The security page I typed everything 100% myself (hence all the grammar and spelling mistakes people found earlier). I didn't write anything that was not true.

ok... That clears things up... Just out of curiosity though, how and why do you send money all over the world, and to banks? What if you need some of it?

How it works is each bitcoin wallet has a private key (the file which allows you to control the wallet). If you write the down the key, it looks something like this: "544VdNCEzTh3fLz3", on a piece of paper, and store it in a bank vault. You will ensure that in the case where your computer dies, you can go to the bank vault, take out the piece of paper, go on a new computer, download bitcoin wallet and type in the private key "544VdNCEzTh3fLz3" and restore the coins. It's a safety feature to avoid loss of funds due to hardware failures.

this will not help you as this brings the illegal funds under government regulation, but i'm sure you have this part sorted out ..lol

sure buddy
179  Economy / Securities / Re: [Ice-Dice.com] 0% Investor Commission! | Multiple Languages | Invest or Play on: October 29, 2013, 09:12:51 PM


Yeah i don't know why you are still here, not sure what you are getting out of it.


because you never payed me out...Many years into DD, I'm a public figure... have plenty of time and a whole team of aggressive researchers who would love to chat with you..,,,just to know the truth

I don't pay people for blackmailing me. you should just give up.
180  Economy / Gambling / Re: [Ice-Dice.com] Free 0.005 BTC | 50% Referral Commission | Invest or Play on: October 29, 2013, 09:11:31 PM


thanks for chips to play with!

name: bitdr
user id : 27486





Best looking betting site I ever seen...  Shocked

I would like some Satoshis to play with if it is not too much to ask.
SuperResistant
User ID: 27311

Thanks.
you an get 0.005 btc free by following us on twitter. just visit the site and follow the instructions.
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