Perenial bed wetters (nocturnal enuresis) like toknormal would have you believe the sky is falling in and dash is losing hashrate at an alarming clip, but that is not the case at all, the hash is still close to historic highs and the coin continues to garner its security predominately from POW.

https://imgur.com/a/wvv38vR

ETH is one of the better shitcoins, but even ETH is on the Bitcoin ratio is just awful.  It just goes to show how difficult this current market is on poop coins.  LINK is the same, once the market darliing, now an outcast.
https://www.tradingview.com/x/DIK1ScTj/
https://www.tradingview.com/x/GX3dBmqq/
It's easy to say Oh DASH is Trash, but if it is, it is in good company.  Yes, I am aware that it has performed worse than other alts, not disputing that part.

No, Pang is right, the reason why the coin is undervalued is because fast payments are no longer an interesting or a desirable property of a coin.  Wasting more money on needless toil (mining) is not going to make DASH any more desirable in a world filled with SOV narratives coming from a new wave of mega billionaires.

Techincally this makes sense as we reach a selling climax and eventually they will be exhausted and then a reaction up can be expected before the down trend resumes.  Also, we have the Evo testnet release in 24 hours and that milestone is bound to generate some interest in the coin, so a bounce here seems likely.

You are a lying piece of shit, where is your off button?

Another absolute load of crap.  Sentiment drives these markets.  Depending on how good the social mood is will drive the price, in an upbeat market the price will lift up, in a downbeat market it will fall.  You know this and hence your constant shit posting to try and discourage onlookers.  The emission of the coin is perfectly fine and it matters not whence the coins came.  With a positive outlook the DASH price will do well and with a well doing price the outlook will only become more positive.

I hope you get REKT and can no longer afford internet so we don't have to suffer through your incomprehensible rants you moronic lunatic.

The majority of the bullshit in this forum these days is coming from you and Purple Lardo lay off the crack and try posting something useful instead of your bitter remarks on how you resent those that made better investment decisions than you.

Slither back into the filthy orifice whence you came, greaseball. 

Lie!  A DASH is equivalent regards of source (Miner/MN).

Bravo!  I couldn't have said it better myself!  Are you coming around to the way of the SPORK21, Tok?    People buying 1000 DASH collaterals are however investors in the network, that is why Ryan Taylor tipped the scales to favour the Mnodes and drive further investment into DASH and not Bitmain.  He sounds like a smart guy don't he?

Yeah, amazing ain't it.  So, we know DASH was $1000 and can reach that again, then maybe buy DASH now for possible 10x pump?  Or buy bitcoin top?

Yeah, my head is spinning from all these 180s, I wish we could make up our minds as to what the 'self evident facts' are, sheesh! 

and remember to keep lying, your assumption that miners run masternodes is FALSE, you don't even deny it now, if there were a shred of truth to it the voting data would have shown the miners voted against the reallocation proposal and they didn't.

Please close your fallacious pie hole, Tok.  How then do explain that a whopping 1144 Masternodes voted in favour of of the mining reallocation back in July DAO poll and a pitful 91 masternodes (I assume these are run by you and afbitcoins and the rest by miners) voted no on the poll?

Source:  https://mnowatch.org/the_results_dashd_2020-07-27-02-15-58.uniqueHashVotes.336.html

Please, just please stop trying to pull the wool over our heads, it only makes you look more foolish.

Crawl back into your pitt, wench!

I agree and I am going to give it a rest now that I destroyed Tok's argument and understand his misstep.



Yep, tax regs differ from region to region, something Tok chooses to ignore.


Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding  BINGO !!!!

Smashed the nail on the head right there!  Tok is simply applying the same crony accounting as his government is doing and coming up with the right answer when using the wrong equation, he is subservient his Majesty and apparently free from independent thought.  DASH like Bitcoin transcends imaginary borders and state lines, it is truly global in nature and needs to be accounted for as such.  Trying to pigeon hole it into some crony institution’s understanding of it will only lead to grave errors in the accounting of it and ultimately for Tok heartache and upset as he fails to understand why the coin does not adhere to his faux model applied to it.

I agree with this, when the price was low the masternodes were not that profitable, I remember someone telling me that when they first started with their masternodes it was a loss maker initially.  Now since the price went up so much the profit in them is well above cost for now.



OK, here.  Now I understand where you've gone seriously awry.  Let's pause here a moment and dissect it for you.  For some reason you think your government's tax department got it right how to tax MNs rewards and using their faulty accounting you apply that to the network and come up with 2+2=5.  I see that now.  Let's fix that for you.  The govt says that coin your mnode mints at the time it spits it out is instantly your income at market rates.  Now hang on a second.

• 1. Even if you wanted too, you can't sell a mined coin until after 101 confirmations.
• 2. It has no value til it is sold.
• 3. You don't know what the market value of that coin is until you execute the trade are a matched with a buyer.  We have liquidity issues, panic pumps and panic dumps, the ticker price of DASH is just an estimate, the actual price you will only ever know until when you execute the trade.

To give you an analogy that might help, a gold miner recovers some gold from the ground, Her Majesty does not declare that those gold are immediately deemed as income, instead the gold is refined and SOLD on market at which time it is ph ucking income.  Furthermore, the government classify cryptoCURRENCIES as commodities because they are terrified of losing control of the fiat scam, but in doing so, they must tax it as though it were a commodity which is valueless until sold!  Instead they are treating it as though I paid you in pounds for services rendered, that is not what is going on here.  I am (the network) paying you in clams that are valueless until such time as you convert them for actual money.

You've made a mistake here by not recognising that DASH is not money in the eyes of the government which accounted for in pounds, dollars, or whatever the case may be.



Now onto the discussion of costs, you claim the masternode network costs $300M per year at $1000 DASH, but it doesn't,  the hosting costs are far less than that. What does cost that much is the mining which you've said here is barely profitable below $100 USD per coin.  So, miners are forced to sell to pay for electricty (the major expense) and for that we get an abdundance of network security over and beyond what the network actually requires.  So, DASH's electric bill if you will is very large, it is like we don't turn off the lights in rooms we are not using and heat the pool all year round.  Ie wasteful.  OTOH the mnode network is quite efficient, MNOS have the ability to save a large amount of their reward, so as history has shown, the price is largely dictated by the mnodes.  Now here's the thing that you don't understand at all about investing/trading.  It is all a confidence game, if the MNOs are feeling confident and bullish, they will hold back DASH in order to sell it for more later (greed).  OTOH if they are feeling bearish, they will preferentially sell now for fear that future prices will be lower.  The MNOs have this option because a large part of their reward does not need to be cashed in for expenses.  This makes the price of the coin far more volatile than others, eg Bitcoin.

Understanding the psychology of the market is front and centre in understanding the price moves, you've simply drawn the wrong conclusions by over thinking it .  You'd think someone that has been in this space as long as you and dealt with a thousand morons like purplelardo would know this space is far less sophisticated than you think it is.

Here's the thing, look to the confidence in the mnodes to see if the price pumps.  If they are confident, the price will pump, if not it dumps, everything else is a diversion.

LOL, I thought as much, all bark and no bite, eh?  There's a good boy now roll over and play dead.

https://mnowatch.org/legacynodes/ is correct, I had a small bug where a few nodes were a little sticky, but they are unstuck now.  The bottom page summary eg

427 nodes listed of which 47 have been spent.

should be read as such, since the SPORK 21 was thrown, 47 collaterals have been moved, perhaps sold, rebirthed, or simply parked. 427 - 47 = 380 is the list of remaining nodes running on old versions of the DASHD.  Tok, are you nodes still among them?  How's the famine treating ya?  Feeling famished yet?