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161  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Give away/request free bitcoins here! on: April 30, 2012, 12:39:43 AM
Guess it couldn't hurt to throw an address into the hat...

1AhWgEPJx2rCoUcgeLGQhQbnA7wjiuTfNs

Much appreciated seeing such generosity being offered here...

0.020006 btc sent , enjoy  Smiley
162  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: An Argument Against The IBB on: April 30, 2012, 12:07:28 AM
Not charging interest on loans sounds like a business model doomed to fail. Surely you need to charge interest (or 'rental charge' or whatever you want to call it) to make it worth your while and to cover the cost of people defaulting on the loan?

I understand what you mean, you can see the IBB reports in IBB thread on how we make money. We make around 5 BTC per month. Our business model at IBB is not to make money of interest free loans, but on other things such as Joint Ventures and bitcoin stock market (glbse.com)

your not the first to say the business model is doomed to fail, you need to start reading IBB thread from the start, this has come up many times.

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Now do you concede that the islamic mortgage , it is not interest they are charging (and its not clever wording) but its a partnership/joint venture deal ?
163  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Why I love IBB and so should you on: April 30, 2012, 12:01:38 AM
I supported and put an idea forward too for Jewish or christian bank of bitcoin , more competition , more 0% interest free loans - interest free banking the better.

164  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Give away/request free bitcoins here! on: April 29, 2012, 11:52:31 PM

0.01000083 BTC sent , enjoy  Wink
165  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Give away/request free bitcoins here! on: April 29, 2012, 11:50:33 PM
I also plan on devising something unique that people will enjoy from there Smiley Potentially a contractor to mine for others. It's a long way off, but I'm dreaming Smiley
1BSgEsHwCL9g6ssCcWpQJa3TAGJSoD7sX6

Thanks for reading Smiley

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166  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Give away/request free bitcoins here! on: April 29, 2012, 11:49:25 PM
hello friendly types!
1HQzCR9t6fQLZBteWvgUSgTGR7UumfLc4t
if it makes you feel better i'll actually invest it, not buy super spicy peanuts or strange meat.

0.026 BTC sent , enjoy  Grin
167  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Who wants to be Bitcoinaire ? Bitcoin Quiz Game Win 1.00 BTC on: April 29, 2012, 11:43:27 PM
I want to test the game, too.

ok, added you to list + sent you pm
168  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Who wants to be Bitcoinaire ? Bitcoin Quiz Game Win 1.00 BTC on: April 29, 2012, 10:18:37 PM
I will play this game. Looks interesting.

thanks ! added you to the list  Cheesy
169  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: An Argument Against The IBB on: April 29, 2012, 09:48:34 PM

If you don't like Islamic Banking then don't engage in it as all this thread is doing is more advertising for IBB  Wink

I don't entirely dislike it, infact some of it sounds very commendable (not investing in unethical companies such as Alcohol and gambling etc.) I was just disappointed more than anything to realise that the claim of 'no interest' is merely clever wording...

now i am aware of some banks calling themselves islamic, but really they aren't any different than conventional banks, and like you say have clever wording.

for us at ibb- islamic bank of bitcoin, we dont charge interest on loans, you can check and ask around for yourself

170  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: An Argument Against The IBB on: April 29, 2012, 09:43:56 PM
A bitcoin bank based on religion? Not really sure I understand this.. I mean what is the difference between the 'Islamic bitcoin bank' and ..say.. the 'flying spaghetti monster bitcoin bank' ?
+1 to this

also lol at 0% interest BUT there are other fees that are like interest but are not interest so god is happy and you don't go to hell


Exactly, I was intrigued in the concept of the islamic 'interest free' system so I checked out the mortgage terms of the Islamic Bank Of Britain http://www.islamic-bank.com/personal-banking/buy-let-standard-product/

Basically you repay the loan + an extra 4.19% interest for a fixed rate, except they call the interest 'rental payment'

You can call it anything you like but it's STILL INTEREST! Ridiculous!
from the website :-

How does it work?

""" Unlike a conventional mortgage where the purchaser borrows money from a lender which is then repaid with interest, the BTLPP uses the Islamic finance principles of a Co-ownership Agreement (Diminishing Musharaka) with Leasing (Ijara).

Your monthly BTLPP payment is made up of two elements: an acquisition payment and a rental payment.  When all acquisition payments have been made and the finance has been settled, ownership of the property transfers to you. """

its not interest , because its rental payment + acquisition payment, now if you want to continue calling that interest that is your choice, but know that islamic finance rules are being followed, that's the difference, islam is not against making trade/profit/business, the more you own of the property , the less you pay for rent.

--> you have to remember, this islamic mortgage is actually Musharakah :-

Musharakah

Musharakah (joint venture) is an agreement between two or more partners, whereby each partner provides funds to be used in a venture. Profits made are shared between the partners according to the invested capital. In case of loss, no partner loses capital in the same ratio. If the Bank provides capital, the same conditions apply. It is this financial risk, according to the Shariah, that justifies the bank's claim to part of the profit. Each partner may or may not participate in carrying out the business. A working partner gets a greater profit share compared to a sleeping (non-working) partner. The difference between Musharaka and Madharaba is that, in Musharaka, each partner contributes some capital, whereas in Madharaba, one partner, e.g. A financial institution, provides all the capital and the other partner, the entrepreneur, provides no capital. Note that Musharaka and Madharaba commonly overlap

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Musharaka

Musharaka is a word of Arabic origin, which literally means sharing. In the context of business and trade, it means a joint enterprise in which all the partners share the profit or loss of the joint venture. It is an ideal alternative for the interest-based financing with far reaching effects on both production and distribution. In the modern capitalist economy, interest is the sole instrument indiscriminately used in financing of every type.

Musharaka or Shirkat-ul-amwal is a relationship established by the parties through a mutual contract. But there are certain ingredients which are peculiar to the contract of mMusharaka, namely the role of each partner, the profit allocation and distribution scheme and the tenor or time of the Musharaka, whether mutanaqisa or mutlaqa.

Distribution of Profit
The proportion of profit to be distributed between the partners must be agreed upon at the time of effecting the contract. If no such proportion has been determined, the contract is not valid in Shar’iah.

The ratio of the profit for each of the partner must be determined in proportion to the actual profit accrued to the business, and not in proportion to the capital invested by him. It is not allowed to fix a lump sum amount for any one of the partners, or any rate of profit tied up with his investment. Losses, however are assumed according to the proportion to the capital invested by each partner.

Diminishing Musharakah

Diminishing Musharakah is a form of partnership, which ends with the complete ownership of a partner who purchases the share of another partner in that project by a redeeming mechanism agreed between both of them. Diminishing Musharakah is used mostly when one party who wants to own an asset or a commercial business which does not have adequate funds to pay the full price; and takes the assistance of financing from another party. The share of the financier is divided into a number of units and it is understood that the client will purchase the units of the share of the financier one by one periodically, thus increasing his own share till all the units of the financier are purchased by the client so as to make him the sole owner of the asset. In this kind of partnership, all partners are co-owners of each and every part of the joint property or asset on a pro-rata basis and one partner cannot make a claim to a specific part of the property or asset leaving the other parts for other partners. http://www.financialislam.com/diminishing-musharakah1.html

so really you are not borrowing money , you are entering into a partnership that follows islamic rules , now you understand why its not called interest and so its not clever wording here ?
171  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: The Bitcoin Chair ver 1.00 - Bitcoin Quiz Game - Who wants to be a Bitconaire? on: April 29, 2012, 06:05:29 AM
ccliu lost and won no BTC Sad

Who will win the 1 BTC prize , Who wants to be Bitcoinaire ?

bounty 0.03 finished, but you still have the chance to win 1 BTC
172  Other / Beginners & Help / Bitcoin Quiz Game Win 1.00 BTC on: April 29, 2012, 06:04:18 AM
ccliu lost and won no BTC Sad

Who will win the 1 BTC prize , Who wants to be Bitcoinaire ?

bounty 0.03 btc finished, but you still have the chance to win 1 BTC
173  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bounty 0.03 BTC to test a quiz game + win 1.00 BTC on: April 28, 2012, 11:25:52 PM
when do i get to test? Ive very eager lol

sent you pm Smiley
174  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Islamic Bank of Bitcoin{}بنك بتكوين الاسلامي on: April 28, 2012, 11:06:55 PM
Report April 2012

Income / Revenue

  • shares/dividends 1.48667908 BTC
  • Gratuity = 0.40 BTC
  • Last Report= 0.18963516 BTC

Loans

  • -------------------------------Repaid----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  • 6.0 BTC loan to tgmarks payback - 15/4/12 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=74797.0 {paid back + 0.40}
  • 20.0 BTC loan to malavita payback - 1/5/12 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=75697.0 {paid back + 2.0}
  • --------------------------------Default---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  • none

Donation:-
16.73141592
Expenses:-
6x MergedMining shares 0.8605

total =20.00323016 net profit/revenue->$91.09 @ current market rate
{6.5057277 BTC dividends paid on 30/8/11} (6.5057277/1000=0.0065057277 per share)
{2.0077597 BTC dividends paid on 30/9/11} (2.0077597/1000=0.0020077597 per share)
{2.0065126 BTC dividends paid on 01/11/11} (2.0065126/1000=0.0020065126 per share)
{1.298860 BTC dividends paid on 30/11/11} (1.29886/1000=0.0012886 per share)
{10.30000 BTC dividends paid on 26/1/12} (10.30/1000=0.0103 per share)
{5.00000 BTC dividends paid on 29/2/12} (5/1000=0.005 per share)
{6.00000 BTC dividends paid on 31/3/12} (6/1000=0.006 per share)

Dividends will be paid on 30th April -2.00 BTC will be paid (2.00/1000=0.00200000 per share)
175  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Out of frustration i built my own trading platform for doing arbitrages. on: April 28, 2012, 10:31:43 PM
ahaha, i love that one " May Zhou Tong's arrow miss"

176  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bounty 0.03 BTC to test a quiz game + win 1.00 BTC on: April 26, 2012, 07:04:40 PM
I'd like to test!

ok, added you to the list  Cheesy
177  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: The Bitcoin Chair ver 1.00 - Bitcoin Quiz Game - Who wants to be a Bitconaire? on: April 25, 2012, 10:08:01 PM
xendland won 0.02 btc , while drakahn won 0.03 btc
178  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bounty 0.03 BTC to test a quiz game + win 1.00 BTC on: April 25, 2012, 10:06:32 PM
xendland won 0.02 btc , while drakahn won 0.03 btc
179  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bounty 0.03 BTC to test a quiz game + win 1.00 BTC on: April 25, 2012, 10:05:44 PM
next tester/player

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180  Other / Off-topic / Re: Did Muhammad a.k.a Mohammed actually exsist ? on: April 25, 2012, 09:29:47 PM
http://spencerwatch.com/    

http://spencerwatch.com/2012/04/25/temple-university-philadelphia-protestors-condemn-geller-and-spencers-irrational-hatred/

http://www.loonwatch.com/2011/03/the-understanding-jihad-series-is-islam-more-likely-than-other-religions-to-encourage-violence/

http://www.loonwatch.com/2011/03/warrior-prophet-moses-or-muhammad/

http://www.loonwatch.com/2011/01/spencer-distorts-egyptian-society-spreads-interfaith-bigotry/

http://www.loonwatch.com/2009/11/the-churchs-doctrine-of-perpetual-servitude-was-worse-than-dhimmitude/

http://www.islamophobiatoday.com

http://whatiftheyweremuslim.com/2012/04/20/shaul-spitzer-teen-gets-prison-in-religious-dispute-firebomb/

http://whatiftheyweremuslim.com/2012/04/17/richard-hess-says-god-told-him-to-kill-terrorist-neighbors-believe-it-or-not-the-cops-didnt-buy-that-one/
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