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161  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: September 03, 2014, 03:45:56 PM
im not trying to impress anybody, i was just pointing out that those walls are not so big compared to volume

risto above is basing hes "good analysis" on those walls, then he says walls lie and then he says im wrong

im just trying to point out these illogics
162  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: September 03, 2014, 01:47:54 PM
im just saying that volume and other indicators (like rsi or macd) are maybe more important then those "walls" because they are small compared to volume

My investment philosophy as regards XMR is quite simple:

- walls always lie
- indicators are meaningless
- volume is likely correct
- only thing that really matters is how many XMR you get to buy, and (secondary) how much you paid for them.

you were the one that started to talk about walls

volume is an indicator

and that last one is just pointing out the obvious...
163  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: September 03, 2014, 01:24:22 PM
I have no reason to "hope" that it would go up or down. It is hard to trade profitably if you let that affect your decisions.

About 6 people have 50,000 XMR or more (after all, 50,000 XMR is 1.5% of all the XMR that exists cf. similar % of bitcoins would be BTC200,000, hardly an insignificant amount as a bid support or size of dump  Cheesy). Some of these people ARE dumpers, however, so it is fully plausible that occasionally one person would quickly unleash such an amount.

I am still waiting for your fact-based 12-line treatise, because your only meager content in the last post was easily proven to be absolutely wrong. I hope I am not being mean.

you have not proven anything, you don't know if i have more than 50k

all i said was that those "walls" are not so big, many ppl have so many bitcoins that they could come here in xmr market and draw some new curves to us to analyze

im just saying that volume and other indicators (like rsi or macd) are maybe more important then those "walls" because they are small compared to volume
164  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: September 03, 2014, 01:11:25 PM
Anyone have any reason to trust Hitbtc with money?
Poloniex is great, busoni already suffered a hack and reimbursed everyone. And busoni seems to be making a lot of money so it's not worth scamming anyone.

Not so sure about Hitbtc, but I really need another place to trade on sometimes.


whats wrong with poloniex?
165  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: September 03, 2014, 01:08:10 PM
Whatever. Hopefully others found my post more insightful than this newbie..

No, that was mean  Embarrassed

Rephrase: Please distill some of your knowledge on the topic in 12 lines for others to read!  Wink

i did read your post, i just wanted to point out that orderbook is thin compared to volume so those "walls" doesnt necessarily mean much, you don't have to be a big player to make those kind of "walls"

theres data that might suggest this downturn isnt over yet


are you also considering hitbtc? it has over 60% of poloniex volume

i have studied only poloniex data
166  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: September 03, 2014, 12:56:41 PM
Whatever. Hopefully others found my post more insightful than this newbie..

No, that was mean  Embarrassed

Rephrase: Please distill some of your knowledge on the topic in 12 lines for others to read!  Wink

i did read your post, i just wanted to point out that orderbook is thin compared to volume so those "walls" doesnt necessarily mean much, you don't have to be a big player to make those kind of "walls"

theres data that might suggest this downturn isnt over yet

167  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: September 03, 2014, 12:15:21 PM
Sure. But unless you have a huge quantity of coins to sell, you cannot force it down by more than a few 0.00001s.

My interpretation on the situation is that it does make sense for latent buyers to buy because there is little to gain even from huge dumps (except if you arrange your buys as bid walls that the others have also done, aggravating the bid/ask imbalance). By waiting you win very little even if you are right. The walls are very real, nothing has been pulled during the downtrend.

I remember when 0.00334 was being defended with huge walls, after bouncing from that area many times. A huge dump ensued, taking it down to 0.00290 (lowest daily average was 0.00305, this is a better measure if you actually needed to try to buy that low). So a gain of less than 10% for the patient waiters.

If we just scale the numbers, the dump case now would be that 50k XMR get sold quickly to force the price from 0.00394 to 0.00342 as its lowest point, but the average for the lowest day would be 0.00360. This would scale very well with the ascending lows trend of 175-231-290-342, so would not be an impossible outcome (quite probable, actually) but also in no way "bad". Remember - it's only -10%, and nobody compels you to sell at a loss! Smiley

The upside is much more than 10%, and the resistance to get there is much smaller. I give this scenario a higher percentage as a result.

50k dump is not so big, we have had approx 80k daily volume now, if selling doesnt end it doesnt take many days to dump those walls to oblivion (if majority of those are even real)
168  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: September 03, 2014, 11:25:45 AM
We have made a quadruple bottom in 394-397 range, after bouncing once from 400 first, and very recently from 401 also.

The bottoming process seems quite complete to me. Therefore I dare to predict that the next move is up, towards some of the various fibonacci levels between 510->394->X.

It is impossible to say now if the monthly high was just made in 510, or if this was a more-vicious-than-normal battle in preparation for taking down 580. My understanding is that 510 is currently the zone to watch. Should we blast through, the battle of 580 is actually won already. Most resistance will be in 450-480 area.

other possibility is (and maybe more likely) that we are resting right above support, without bounces and waiting when the selling starts
169  Economy / Speculation / Re: Ryans' log on: September 03, 2014, 07:01:20 AM
If I have understood correctly we don't have to go any lower to complete the 1, we could also start to go up to 2 from here?

That's what I see! 490 is likely and 500 will be heavy resistance

now we are stuck in between these walls, how this will change things? we have bigger bounce to +500 or deeper breakout to the downside? can we still be in the process of completing 1?
170  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 02, 2014, 12:56:33 PM
This what you have in mind? Or something more short-term?

No. The small bullish one on the right. I estimate we get a small bounce back to 490 - 500.

You came here straight from ryans thread to estimate this? =D And btw. that odas divergent is bullish.
171  Economy / Speculation / Re: Ryans' log on: September 02, 2014, 12:45:36 PM
If I have understood correctly we don't have to go any lower to complete the 1, we could also start to go up to 2 from here?
172  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 23, 2014, 08:40:03 AM
so..... 450 buy on Huobi and absolutely no one followed. it's like all the bulls up and disappeared. i think we are gonna slowly slide down here and break 500. hopefully not too far below...

didn't you get the memo? we may never see sub 500 prices TM

 Cheesy

never ever
173  Economy / Speculation / Re: Ryans' log on: August 22, 2014, 06:50:16 AM
Is the purple count now starting to materializing?

174  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 21, 2014, 04:54:17 PM


in 1h there seems to be forming h&s with falling vol and rsi
175  Economy / Speculation / Re: Ryans' log on: August 19, 2014, 11:23:38 AM
This is a close-up of the recent action. It is easy to see 3 waves down since the (iv). This means that I am expecting one more down to find a somewhat significant bottom. This is if it's not THE bottom. Earlier, I thought a triangle was tracing out for iv, but sellers on Stamp had different ideas and made lower lows within the iv. Since the iv is nearly complete, I didn't bother adding a target for it, and the target for the final wave down is around $424 and change.



This is the chart with the three main outcomes that I outlined in the last update. Nothing has changed, but I just want keep everyone up to speed.



Do you expect a bounce to 510-520 now and then maybe back down? Seems like it could go back down from here also and not go over 500.
176  Economy / Speculation / Re: Analysis never ends on: August 18, 2014, 02:58:55 PM
Bitcoin is on one step from long dramatic selloff imho.

Global stocks are about to crash. This monopoly game is almost over and all money and property will be returned back to the box.

Doom and gloom, baby. Doom and gloom.

The problem with predictions like that is they're almost impossible to falsify... "dramatic selloff" implies a real crash. A new capitulation low. Say, going back to $300, maybe even lower.

Or maybe not. Let's say price is going down another leg, hitting $500, maybe even high $400s. The prediction will "sound" right as well afterwards, or at least some will claim it does (while I would hardly call it "dramatic").

Same for the stock markets. "About to crash", or "entering a longer bear market"? The two are not the same, but a vague enough statement can afterwards be claimed to have "predicted" it.


Good kings all around. Luc has been prescient several times before and we should give him props for that.

In addition, it doesn't take a rocker scientist to suggest stocks are way overbought. And it's entirely possible that if the stock market goes down I a big way that bitcoin could too - although there is no real historical precedent got this.

However, we also should consider, reading over Lucs most recent posts, that there is a certain amount of regional stress he is currently over involving where he resides. This may be causing him to have a less than well rounded and objective view of the current world financial markets.

It seems like doom and bloomers have been around forever and they, for several reasons, will always be.

These are my thoughts also about the case of lucs recent post. But I disagree on one thing, It's rocket scientist, not rocker.

Have to take back this nonsense, sry master, you nailed it.
177  Economy / Speculation / Re: Ryans' log on: August 18, 2014, 06:41:13 AM
Thanks Ryan. Not only the best analyzing thread but regular too, people usually get bored in few days.

Thanks! I'm glad you are enjoying the thread Smiley

I do try to keep it informational and not just a chart with no explanation. I want people to know how I came to the conclusions that I did/do. That's why I explain a bit of the underlying psychology that causes certain movements to happen... That it's not just a random walk! Maybe they can eventually start applying the technique to their own charting.

Here's another grateful reader, keep up the good work!
178  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 15, 2014, 04:33:58 PM
People who are thinking of selling, I would like remind that in daily we are very oversold so there's big risk that you end up sell too cheap. This forum is very bearish in times like these and it can make you do irrational decisions that you end up regretting later. If you have fiat, good, this is great buying opportunity and might get even lower but if you don't have fiat, then i suggest that you hold, at least to the next bounce and even then don't sell all of your coins!
179  Economy / Speculation / Re: Analysis never ends on: August 13, 2014, 09:57:59 AM
But I disagree on one thing, It's rocket scientist, not rocker.

Says h3speros.  Smiley

You can quess who is the Hesperos that im referring to in my nick? =)
180  Economy / Speculation / Re: Analysis never ends on: August 12, 2014, 07:37:06 PM
Bitcoin is on one step from long dramatic selloff imho.

Global stocks are about to crash. This monopoly game is almost over and all money and property will be returned back to the box.

Doom and gloom, baby. Doom and gloom.

The problem with predictions like that is they're almost impossible to falsify... "dramatic selloff" implies a real crash. A new capitulation low. Say, going back to $300, maybe even lower.

Or maybe not. Let's say price is going down another leg, hitting $500, maybe even high $400s. The prediction will "sound" right as well afterwards, or at least some will claim it does (while I would hardly call it "dramatic").

Same for the stock markets. "About to crash", or "entering a longer bear market"? The two are not the same, but a vague enough statement can afterwards be claimed to have "predicted" it.


Good kings all around. Luc has been prescient several times before and we should give him props for that.

In addition, it doesn't take a rocker scientist to suggest stocks are way overbought. And it's entirely possible that if the stock market goes down I a big way that bitcoin could too - although there is no real historical precedent got this.

However, we also should consider, reading over Lucs most recent posts, that there is a certain amount of regional stress he is currently over involving where he resides. This may be causing him to have a less than well rounded and objective view of the current world financial markets.

It seems like doom and bloomers have been around forever and they, for several reasons, will always be.

These are my thoughts also about the case of lucs recent post. But I disagree on one thing, It's rocket scientist, not rocker.
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