Yes, it might be the other way around indeed, but looking at the level of technology used to construct the pyramids it is unlikely that civilization that built them only discovered those numbers in the process of construction. It is much more likely that numbers were encoded into the shape of the pyramid, not just for the coolness of it, but because the shape with such characteristics would have certain vibrational properties and could be used as some sort of resonance device. Also placing the pyramids at certain locations on Earth hints towards that idea, as the Earth itself could be considered a larger resonance device.

There is an amateur research in present time into what is called a space-time antenna designed to tap into a field energy. You can google it and see that it consists of two self penetrating cones and there are some preliminary results showing some anomalies with certain geometric configurations and frequencies. So maybe in the same way, the shape of the pyramid was crucial for the purposes it was built.

I invite you to watch the video I just linked

Pyramids are much more mysterious than what meets the eye.
If you look at how nature's core numbers like Pi and Phi are encoded into it,
you would hardly think that someone would put so much effort into something that would be just a lightning rod.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpJ3yO4-Xpo#t=35m19s

I mostly agree with what you said here, except a few things.

Firstly, mathematically coherent Universe and "an elaborate set-up" are not two different things, mathematics is a result of a conscious process and it is very elaborate.

Second thing that bothered me when I was thinking about mathematically coherent Universe with autonomous human beings is how I would end up there without me existing somewhere already in the first place. You see, I don't have a problem imagining such a Universe, but the chances of me emerging there would be around 0. It will simply be filled with other human beings (whether conscious or not, I wouldn't know) and there would be no reason, no recipe for that Universe to create me. Me showing up in such a Universe would be an improbable singularity happening against all odds and laws of physics.

So if I already exist (and I know I do) then that Universe would be a secondary construct in relation to me. That Universe would be contained inside me and not the other way around. That what the idea of primacy of consciousness is. You know about your own existence with higher certainty than you know about Universe's existence, wouldn't you agree? It simply can't be the other way around.

I think this video might be of interest to you:
"The Holographic Universe (Part One)"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMBt_yfGKpU

EDIT: edited some paragraphs above for clarity.


I like your train of thought here and, again, I mostly agree with it.

The geometric shape of the Universe as an elaborate space-time crystal (in lower four dimensions) doesn't necessarily know or able to plan anything because as you correctly mentioned, it is static and it simply is. What is changing though and what is, in a sense, "alive" is the consciousness studying this crystal by filling it with itself, looking at it from as many different perspectives as it can. And the tricky part is that this mathematical crystal and the consciousness studying it are not two different things, the former is the product of the latter. It would be very illogical to suggest the opposite, where the consciousness would arise from a static mathematical construct that simply is.


About manipulating the brain and observing the effects on consciousness, yes, it might look confusing at first and lead to erroneous conclusions about its origin, but there is a good analogy that would explain the situation. Imagine you're sitting locked in a dark room looking at the world around you through a glass window. If the glass is clean and transparent you can see very well, but if somebody puts some mud on your glass or even worse tries to break it so that it gets covered with tiny cracks all over the surface your vision of reality gets heavily distorted and you might even go crazy from that experience.

I cannot prove that to you, but from what I gathered being locked to the body for a life time is the latest iteration of the rules of the 3D game we are all playing. It hasn't always been like that though, but it was decided in that way, so that we can learn certain lessons that can only be learned from challenges associated with that experience. It was decided collectively and we are all here because we all agreed and wanted to play this game.

There is a lot of evidence of consciousness existing outside the body, but it is often ridiculed and not taken seriously.
There are examples of people born blind and able to see the Universe for the first time when they are in a state of coma due to some unrelated accident and then wake up from it an tell about their experiences. Or people who undergo surgical operations on the brain that require complete shutdown of the brain (no neuron activity whatsoever during the operation) and are able to tell afterwards that they saw their body laying on the table, saw the instruments that doctors used in the operation and even heard what they were talking about.
You can check out this site about NDE (near-death-experience) if you're interested in this topic:
http://www.near-death.com/

I don't think hell is a singular place either. You can create hell on Earth or some other place if you wish, or you can create Heaven within yourself regardless of where you are physically. Everything is just an experience.

As I understand it you are always a singular consciousness, what can change though is your level of awareness about other consciousnesses when you loose your physical receiver which you are currently locked into. It doesn't mean you immediately become aware of everything in the Universe. Knowledge on all levels needs to be earned. As above, so below.

Thanks for the link, will look into it over weekend.

There is definitely competition over this planet as it is more important than we think with regards to a bigger picture.
As the quote from Men in Black goes : "If something is small, doesn't mean it's not important".

When thinking about consciousness, mobodick, you should first and foremost think about yourself, because that's the only evidence of consciousness that you have. There is no objective proof that other "beings" or "objects" or anything that you come across has consciousness. They might all be very good at pretending to be conscious, but you will never know for sure if they really are conscious.

So ask yourself, how did you come into this picture of completely unintentional, neutral and indifferent Universe?
Think of the point in time 10 years before your birth. Are "you" already in the plans of the Universe? Does it know that you are going to be born? Does it know what parents you are going to have? Does it care?

If yes, then who are "you" really?
If no, then how would the Universe know that "you" needed to be created in the first place?

This topic is much more philosophical than it is physical or biological.

Great stuff!

I've seen references to Ra material many times, but until now haven't had enough time to really dive into it.
Thanks for the link.

It seems as channeling phenomenon is getting more widespread it would soon reach the point where it cannot be ignored by the mainstream science. It also goes well with the idea of primacy of consciousness, where body in general and the brain in particular are viewed as receivers of consciousness as opposed to a common belief of them being the generators of it.

In this regard channeling is the ability of a particular consciousness which has a receiver within a certain physical manifestation (body-brain complex) to provide this receiver for communication to another type of consciousness which doesn't have a physical receiver of their own.

On the topic itself...

I have always wandered whether this individualized consciousness that everyone perceives as "I" have always existed as such or was it created at some point from, shall we say, a bigger consciousness? Does it mean that "I" was a bigger consciousness at some point or was "I" simply contained within that bigger consciousness (along with other "I"s) that decided to split?

From what I've gathered we have always existed as individual "I"s and everyone of us has a potential to experience The One as "I" and yet still everyone of us has an individual and unique core frequency. It was really hard to grasp how can "I" be The One and still be my individual self at the same time until I found a video which provided a beautiful metaphor for it:

"Inner Worlds, Outer Worlds - Part 1 - Akasha" at 4:04
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXuTt7c3Jkg#t=04m04s

"Imagine a spider web that extends into all dimensions. The web is made of dew drops and every drop contains the reflection of all the other water drops, and in each reflected dew drop you will find the reflections of all the other droplets. The entire web in that reflection, and so on to infinity. Indra's web could be described as a holographic universe, where even the smallest stream of light contains the complete pattern of the whole."

The Primer Fields video shoots metal balls at all three: black holes, dark matter and dark energy.
I'm not saying that these phenomena don't exist, but it seems that those three are not the only way to explain galaxies.


I remember watching some scientific documentary on TV a few years back, where scientists noticed one interesting feature about galaxies. They found a correlation between the mass of an (alleged) super-massive black hole in its center and the orbital speed of stars. They couldn't quite grasp whether it was the black hole that influenced the stars in the outer regions or the other way around. So, yes, galaxy revolves as one plate!

PS:

I just found an article supporting this point:
http://www.cosmotography.com/images/supermassive_blackholes_drive_galaxy_evolution_2.html

Awesome stuff!

I haven't finished watching yet, but I can already see a lot of overlap with information I posted in one of my other threads
"A Theory of Everything and The Truth About God"
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=137350.0

Here is just one example:

"The Primer Fields Part 1" at 33:30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EPlyiW-xGI#t=33m30s

Now compare to this:

"Kryon - Recalibration of the Universe" at 29:05
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oN930nRm8No#t=29m05s

The world is indeed changing and it's just the beginning

There was a discussion about direct democracy society based on Bitcoin private key signing which might be relevant to the discussion at hand.

"Consensus-based society with provable trust-free voting"
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124477.0

In short, people gather in groups based on their desire to work together and pay their share to the group's budget which in turn allows them to vote on the group's decision how to proceed further.

I knew someone would make that remark. There is no controversy here. It's just my preferred method of validating the patterns I encounter. I attempt to connect to as many sources as possible and see if there is some overlap in the information. I don't judge the sources by their appearance or their way of communication though it took me awhile to get to that state. Information itself is what matters most the rest is secondary.

It's the same with Bitcoin. You don't get the longest chain by looking at the IP addresses of your neighbor nodes and rejecting connections just because some of them are in North Korea or Iran. Instead you accept the information you receive from them first, process it and see who got the longest chain.

And by the way some of those "crack pots" have been sharing information for the last 30 years and have been very consistent at what they say.


That's the whole point of this thread!

The fact that algebraic structures (read pure mathematical) might be involved in the description of the physical reality flips the whole materialistic paradigm of modern science upside down. In materialistic paradigm the physical reality is considered primary and the consciousness is thought of as a product of complexity of material manifestation.

The opposite approach is to consider consciousness as primary and see physical reality as just one of the products of the consciousness itself. Pure mathematics is a very abstract thing and we can probably agree that it is a product of consciousness. So if physical reality turns out to have a purely mathematical structure at its core that would say a lot about its origin.

Regarding why E8 and not some other groups. It could be that E8 is just a part of the truth about our particular physical reality, but not the whole truth. Also it could be that other galaxies are based on different algebraic structures than our own Milky Way and therefore have different laws of physics. Some hints at that are given in the second to last video in my OP, but only if you are brave enough to go esoteric-crazy!

PS:

Otherwise very interesting discussion! I will watch some of the videos posted here later today...

I agree, from the linear rational perspective there are still many uncertainties and details that need to be worked out, but after digging a little bit deeper into the topic I found a few interesting things which link this E8 theory to the idea of God.

Firstly, I found a conversation between Garrett LIsi and a few other physicists at the link below
http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/627
where they discuss certain aspects of the theory in spring 2010 and then two years later in spring 2012 there was a message from a relative of one of the physicists stating that he had passed away and that's where it gets interesting. Below is the full message (bold emphasis is mine):

Secondly, I found references to E8 in one of the channeling sessions about Holotope experience from Darryl Anka (channel for Bashar):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf9DL-k8uic
where he literally says (at around 1:00 - 1:22) that you are looking into the "Eye of God". The video then proceeds to explain (at around 2:00 - 3:00) that the shape in the center of Holotope is known in mathematics as "Gosset polytope E8". The video also briefly mentions the idea of Prime Radiant which is very in tune with the Garrett LIsi's explanation in the end of his presentation of how "particles" interact with each other.

In short the idea of Prime Radiant suggests that there is only one "particle" in existence (not one type of particles but one particle in totality) which is not limited by anything else and therefore can travel at an "infinite" speed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNxnE8nXFo4
Here is the quote from the video above at around 3:40
"When this particle crosses its own path in this incredibly beautiful and complex geometric pattern it reinforces itself, it becomes denser and denser and denser and denser. It now has something to interact with - itself on a different path! And as it interacts with itself more and more often on many different paths in many different perspectives it becomes denser, denser, denser, denser and forms the different states of reality from higher dimensions to physical reality. But it's all the same, it's all made out of the same one thing literally."

Yes, it's not a proof of anything, but it's the synchronicities like these that make life more interesting


Maybe the Universe is in the superposition of "static omni-presence" and "taking a first step" 


Wow, how complex and intricate the geometric pattern must be for one single particle to look like the mess above 


Death might be considered an abrupt change in frequency, but you won't cease to exist. Remember that you are here because you wanted to be here! So if you still find yourself physical then there must be some themes you wanted to explore in this reality or you wouldn't be here to begin with. So keep searching for patterns

PS: You might wanna watch this...

The Four Laws Of Creation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcq5tcOzito

I've recently come across a nice presentation by Garrett Lisi suggesting that the whole "zoo" of particles and their interactions observable in modern particle physics can be described by a pure mathematical object called "exceptional simple Lie group E8".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V74NBEYq3tw

While the theory itself is not complete yet, the implications of what is being suggested are profound. It means that the structure of physical reality isn't just a set of arbitrary rules but rather a result of a beautiful mathematical process, which in turn reinforces the idea of physical reality being a result of consciousness itself (this wasn't mentioned in the video, but rather an extrapolation on my part).

So it seems that consciousness builds structures based on math and logic or otherwise they wouldn't hold. It also seems that it attempts to find all structures that can possibly exist so that it doesn't miss anything interesting and this is why in many spiritual teachings God is referred to as All That Is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdJ5AlxYZV0

The process of how everything started can also be described by what is called a Sacred Geometry, which is simply a set of rules on how to build structures from very simple constructs like dot, line, circle, etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rx31y1KKK3E

As the video above explains, in the beginning there was consciousness (they call it Spirit of God) and the void because the consciousness hasn't manifested anything yet. The consciousness had two options: either stay in this static omni-presence indefinitely or take a first step. Eventually consciousness would start creating and since there was nothing to measure time before the first step, time didn't exist either.

If we follow the process of building structures from the start we will see at some point that there are multiple ways how to proceed forward, this is where consciousness needs to split to take on multiple paths simultaneously. I personally believe, that this feature of creation process gives rise to multiple "you"s and multiple parallel timelines even though we all still derive from that one consciousness that started the process. So "you" exist because the overall consciousness needed to split at some point to explore a certain path in creation. Below is a good channeling on the topic (I like the autotune version better):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wM3doxMJ6s

PS:
For those of you who are searching for patterns compare the content of Garrett Lisi's video at the top at around 11:30 with the content of the video below at around 30:00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oN930nRm8No

And if you were patient enough to get to the bottom of it, here is a gift for you with some nice music and beautiful imagery:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuUb4EkVDuY
Enjoy!

Yes, many people have problem with reincarnation because they associate the totality of their existence with their physical body and that's understood because this is how they've been conditioned by the mainstream science.

There is a good down-to-Earth thought experiment that would probably help them think more about who they really are:
1) Imagine you get totally drunk before going to sleep
2) Imagine waking up barely remembering who you are and going to the mirror
3) Imagine seeing a different body than the one you've anticipated in the reflection (or a body of the opposite gender for better contrast)
4) Imagine getting confused, saying "WTF?" and not recognizing your own voice.

Notice how it would still be "you" going through this whole experience while not having anything left from the body you thought you previously had.

There is quite a few cases of people remembering their past lives supporting the idea that reincarnation does occur though none of it can be considered as a proof. Below is a few videos of little kids telling their parents about their past lives:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sT0B4V_kowo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoSrzpLoODo
The fact that these cases involve children adds weight to the evidence because it's much harder to trick children to lie to make up a good story.

Another video on past life regression hypnosis from the pioneer in this area Dolores Cannon:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihH0L_bffAA

Regarding your questions about numbers of souls and vehicles for reincarnation it's all infinite and yet there are still queues of souls waiting to be reincarnated on a certain planet (not only Earth) within a certain parallel reality of which there is an infinite number of. The Earth currently seems to be the place "where it happens" as they say because of the transformation that is going on, that's why we have the population explosion that we do.

This seems quite plausible as the information on how to reconstruct the brain wallet will still be contained within the imprint of your current life.
The video below somewhat explains the mechanism of how it works from minute 25:00 through 30:00.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2l42p7hVTk
I'd recommend to watch the whole thing to get into the context of what is being discussed though.

PS:
It might be easier to pass the information to your children or other relatives as the reincarnation naturally occurs within the same bloodline.

I only say what needs to be said and only do what needs to be done!

Everything is in a sense physics, people's thoughts, emotions and therefore relationship are no exceptions, it's all about vibrations and resonance. If you check out my other thread, you will know what I mean

Yes, all situations are in a sense neutral, the meaning you assign to it will determine the effect you get out of it. But everything happens for a reason and you will learn to trust it with that