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161  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S5: 1155GH(+OverClock Potential), In Stock $0.25/GH & 0.51W/GH on: February 05, 2015, 04:13:56 PM
Whenever you post your next resource, please make it exceptionally clear that overclocking will void a user's warranty.

I am not sure that is necessary as most mining rig owners know that OC'ing voids the warranty.
In any case, it is bitmain's responsibility to advise its customers about the terms of the warranty, and to my knowledge, I have never seen any official bitmain literature to that effect, bearing in mind that the so called overclocking frequencies ship as selectable options (on the S5 at least)!

Yeah, as we see above / below - someone with many, many S5s who is overclocking and suggesting others do the same didn't know.

Overclocking voids the warranty? Then why is it a drop down option in the control panel of your software which ships with the units. I'm not trying to start a fight here. But I find that it's ridiculous to put an option to set a frequency higher than 350 with a simple dropdown menu - in your own software - and there be no warning whatsoever - and that BM would deny a warranty claim.

Yes it does. I can't really answer on behalf of the other questions as its not my rules.


I added an overclocking question to the wiki.

Quote
Is overclocking allowed?

Users may overclock at their own risk but overclocking WILL invalidate the product warranty.


This is a more official quote if you will, there is a bigger quote but this is the best one I can find with search as it is.

Over Clocking will void your warranty on the unit, please be careful  Cry

To me this seems:

1.) Shady:  Bitmain advertises the product on its own thread as a device with "Overclock Potential". No where is it clearly stated that doing so voids your warranty.

In order to find this "Phantom Warranty Policy" one must first dig through a Wiki, where the information is buried. I didn't even know there was a wiki.

2.) Perhaps not in China; but here in the USA we have Consumer Protection Acts on both a state and Federal Level. From what I understand BM now operates offices/has employees within the borders of the US.  These laws do not like hidden fine print, and having a business presence and conducting business here in the states would give the states and the Federal Government personal jurisdiction to enforce these laws.

These laws cover things like Intentional Misrepresentation to Mislead, and because Im now slighly upset my topic has been derailed: Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress. Both of which are subject to punitive damages as well as Treble Damages.

3.) I'll add it to my post - HOWEVER - Bitmain should be forthcoming about this policy if in fact this is the case.

4.) I had an S3+ go bad - It WAS overclocked. Bitmain was very helpful and responsive and swapped it out for me.

5.) I am in no way badmouthing Bitmain. I love their products. I run 60 S3+ Units (Roughly) and 24 S5 Units. I have only had a single failure. Thats really great in my opinion considering how high defect rates are on name brand consumer electronics. So +1 for BitMain.

What I would like; and I feel the community deserves, is a response from Bitmain from Bitmain's account. They should clarify their position. And if this claim is true, they should add this information to the Warranty Section of their website at the very least.  

Lastly; I purchased my units with my Amex Platinum; which extends all warranties on all products for 1 Year past the manufacturers warranty. This is a great feature, however I doubt Ill be running these 15 months from now considering difficulty.

I'd just like to add that we have gotten sorely off topic here:

 I put together a diagram as a reference community members could use.  I did this on my own time, and have given it freely without asking for any compensation. Dogie... Respectfully:  From the start of this thread you have responded with nothing but comments that come off as harboring animosity that myself as well as other miners are getting hash rates which are nearly 15-20% faster than the units were rated at-- and do not deserve. As if we are in the wrong and Bitmain got the short end of the stick by not charging more. How about a "Wow, great concept", not just to me but to all the other members who have contributed to this new technology system.  You all know who you are. Ill refrain from going through names simply because I don't want to miss anyone and the list is long.

Dogie, I read your Guide as well; but personally found it the least useful in terms of how to get the most out of your miner; best setup practices; tips and tricks, etc. It was pictures mostly of things I have no need to see on a macro level.

Strato


I'm moving the discussion quoted above on Bitmain's warranty policy here since it was getting off-topic as per the OP, but I think it warrants some more discussion. I also had my own comment, which is that Bitmain should make its warranty clear and conspicuous. Some people may be misled by the fact that Bitmain advertises the overclock potential of its miners when overclocking voids the warranty. I don't think something should be advertised as a feature if it also voids the warranty, unless that fact is made clear to the buyer. Just my two cents.

Another question on the warranty - any warranty issue will obviously cause some downtime, which is a loss to the buyer. Does Bitmain allocate an equivalent amount of hashing power from its cloud mining service during the downtime? 
162  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: February 05, 2015, 03:54:25 PM
I would like a firmware version where the hashrate stops slowly decreasing over time, its ridiculous!

please publish graphs to support such claims.

I am interested as well.

 I have 9 sp20's that just chug a long pretty much rock steady.  I don't have this problem.  I wonder what gear GenTarkin is using sp30 or sp31?  not sp20's. 

I have 4 SP20s and none of them have this problem. I generally use the latest test firmware, so I can say that this isn't a problem, at least for me, over several versions of SP20 firmware. I also can't speak for the SP30 series.
163  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [GUIDE] Strato's Antminer S5 Vertical Mounting Setup Guide - OC with Less Heat on: February 05, 2015, 05:46:41 AM
From the start of this thread you have responded with nothing but comments that come off as harboring animosity that myself as well as other miners are getting hash rates which are nearly 15-20% faster than the units were rated at-- and do not deserve. As if we are in the wrong and Bitmain got the short end of the stick by not charging more. How about a "Wow, great concept", not just to me but to all the other members who have contributed to this new technology system.  You all know who you are. Ill refrain from going through names simply because I don't want to miss anyone and the list is long.

Huh I asked how you were proposing to make huge gains, you replied it was overclocking [which by the way, is not new 'technology' and you're far from the first to overclock an S5]. I asked you to then make sure that you make it clear to people that this will also invalidate their warranty - which you seemd to not be aware of. What is the problem with that?

If Bitmain doesn't make it clear, then why should he?

If overclocking voids the warranty, Bitmain should say so, clearly and conspicuously.
164  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Finally not loud Antminer S5, very cheap mod :) on: January 21, 2015, 08:43:31 AM

Looks like the OP is a gambling person, according to his banner...


No. I like get btc for free, luckyflop is signature campain.
I put those little money into altcoins so it is form of gamble Smiley

I have setup >200 standalone miners, some farms, i got very big experience with variety of miners, chips etc.
Only few of my miners died, coincidentially dragons and ccdesks. I have modded large chunk of my stuff for fun and noise reduction.



If it's fun, and it works for you, great. But the mod you suggested is risky, you do acknowledge that? If so, it can't hurt to point that out so that others know what risk they're taking by running at higher temps.
165  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [BitAffNet] How we're the #1 Bitcoin Mining Pool In The World (proof inside) on: January 21, 2015, 07:37:39 AM
Another block found and no payout again I think this guy IS A BIG TIME SCAMMER!!!!!

The block takes a few hours to clear.


https://blockchain.info/address/39fPq9PpVs3c16SfbmQPCE4tqquzHBw9pk


only has 9 confirms.  

  this is not complex if the  pool runner has had 100 coins stolen we are going to be paid late time and time again. In order to have this not happen the pool runner needs funding or the pool needs a monster hot streak.  By that 5 blocks under 70%  and then 5 more under 90%.  This would put the pool ahead in the payment game.

I am going to give him more time as he has been around a while and does make the payments in full.



My concern is that in the long run the pool is operating at a loss by paying out the extra 1% on 2.7 PH/s right now (about BTC0.32 per day). It seems like the pool is just one part of their business, so maybe they intend to run it at a loss to promote the other ends of their business. If so that's great for the pools miners, so long as the pool has enough to consistently payout even if it hits a string of bad luck. Otherwise there could be a vicious cycle where payouts are delayed, hashrate drops, and the pool can never catch up.

That said, I've been paid out everything, even if it was delayed a couple times by one or two days. But I'd like to see whether the pool is able to handle a bad string of luck, say 4-5 days without a block while the hashrate stays roughly the same. It's easy enough to do the calculations to see what they have to payout everyday. If miners are confident the pool can payout despite bad luck, it might increase the hashrate and lower variance as well.
166  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Finally not loud Antminer S5, very cheap mod :) on: January 21, 2015, 06:57:15 AM
look...it's set to shutdown at 80c so run it 50-70 it will be fine.
don't listen to these clueless people.

It may run at those temps fine now, but higher temps will likely degrade performance over time. That might not have been a big deal before when we were seeing double digit difficulty increases, but difficulty has been relatively flat for a couple months now. I'd underclock like others have suggested ... taking off 100-150Ghs seems worth it to keep it running longer.
167  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [BitAffNet] How we're the #1 Bitcoin Mining Pool In The World (proof inside) on: January 17, 2015, 10:33:12 PM
Has anyone received a payout from this pool in the last 24 hours? It looks like it ran into a string of bad luck... I guess it can't pay 101% forever.
168  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Paycoin HashStaker WTF is it? on: November 28, 2014, 11:17:03 PM
Stay away from it, it is almost certainly a scam.  GAW appears to be running quite the Ponzi scheme.
169  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: ★ The Lucky Bit "Make Your Own Game" Promotion! ★ on: November 27, 2014, 08:02:58 PM
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170  Other / Archival / Re: delete on: September 19, 2014, 07:36:05 PM
2) There is no break down in the encryption but in how it is implemented.
This is in direct contradiction to your original claim that it cannot be fixed without giving up on anonymity. I call bullshit.

In the quote he is talking about encryption.  

In your response you are talking about anonymity.  

On the Original post he says, "To fix this, anonymity will need to be sacrificed..."

Isn't anonymity and encryption two different things?  Where is the contradiction?

The anonymity is expressed in the whitepaper - if anonymity has to be sacrificed then it would be because the maths / crypto in the whitepaper is wrong.

Ok but where is the contradiction?  Whales are trying to pump XMR from this one message from gmaxwell.  Id like some further clarification on the comment.

I think the answer to your question in bold is no, here the anonymity and encryption are not two different things.
171  Other / Archival / Re: delete on: September 19, 2014, 07:13:48 PM
2) There is no break down in the encryption but in how it is implemented.
This is in direct contradiction to your original claim that it cannot be fixed without giving up on anonymity. I call bullshit.

where is the contradiction ? I cant see it.

~CfA~

Just guessing here, but I read that to mean that if the purported exploit is not a "break down in the encryption but in how it is implemented," then it can be fixed without giving up on anonymity.  

Assuming that is correct, then the primary source of value in CN would be preserved once the purported exploit is fixed.
172  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Guide] Dogie's Comprehensive ASICMiner Tube Setup [HD] on: September 09, 2014, 01:21:26 PM
doa board.

but sometimes i got same result after longer time of hashing
software reboot wake them up.

It will come up regardless of how well you assembled it (unless you sawed it in half). If its been bent or damaged then it will display this.

Try swapping the power round from another board.
Thanks, looks like its a dead board, it never came alive so rebooting doesn't help, and I get the same result no matter where it is powered (1 or 2 PCI-E).  There's no obvious physical damage.  Is there any reason why I couldn't run 3 together and try to RMA the single board?  Seems like it should work, and I'd rather have 3 going than nothing at all.  And it should be easier to OC 3 with a 1000W power supply.
173  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Guide] Dogie's Comprehensive ASICMiner Tube Setup [HD] on: September 09, 2014, 01:53:47 AM
Has anyone had a problem where one board shows all "-" dashes in the Test Status page, and doesn't hash at all, while the other three are all working?  I've tried putting it in all four possible positions in the chain, and it seems one board (the same one) always comes up like this:  "Board 04: |---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---| - V:1.41"  

Since it is coming up I assume it is not an issue with how it is assembled (and I even plugged the fan into that board to see if it works, and it did) - could this just be a bad board, or am I missing something?  
174  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XCN] Cryptonite | 1st mini-blockchain coin | M7 PoW | No Premine on: August 12, 2014, 04:37:22 PM
I guess you meant it wasn't fair. There was a public beta you could make GPU miner too so don't complain. And I think there is no such thing as fair distribution. People on here are always complaining about unfair distribution/no pools/no windows wallet/premine/instamine/low trading volume/scrypt algo/missing train/etc. There is no perfect coin, man.

Cheesy Perfection? No, we've reached a point that all of the above are just basic requirements.

If a GPU miner was possible to be created, XCN should have never been launched until the GPU miner was ready. This was a major mistake and a very valid reason to call this an unfair launch IMO.
Smiley


To give you an example on AWS:

A 32 vCPU core EC2 instance costs ~0.27 $/hr and produces around 1700+ KH/s
A 1 GPU + 8 vCPU core EC2 instance costs ~0.065 $/hr and produces 1800+ KH/s (CPU + GPU mining -- using the non optimized GPU miner)

If you do the math, you realize that it was at least 4-5 times more possible for those who had the private GPU miner on AWS to find a block than the rest, provided that both had spent the same amount of $ to rent instances. Now if we think outside AWS and take into consideration that GPU farms could have been used, the advantage becomes much bigger.

So, please, this is not about a small detail regarding perfection. Smiley

PS: Also, since I deleted some messages of mine earlier and since someone had mentioned it, I'd like to say again that I never said anywhere that wolf's optimizations are a problem. 10-15% advantage is not a problem at all. But 400-500% advantage is was a clear possible problem (EDIT: at launch).



The problem with your assumption is that there are far fewer available G2 instances than there are available 32 core CPU instances.  And it ignores 16 core, 8 core, etc, all of which were available at a similar price per core.   Your hypothetical miner could never have run 4-5x as many GPU instances and maintained the same price of the G2 instances. 

The early mining from large miners is consistent with a miner using a large number of Amazon EC2 instances for CPU mining.   



175  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Announcement: A1 28NM 2TH/S bitcoin miner is ready on: July 11, 2014, 03:19:36 PM
The air flow design is really weird, how does it work?

Hard to tell from the pic, but airflow in the back of the foot shouldn't be an issue, and the holes toward the front of the foot should help keep it cool. 
176  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Finally, a correct (endgame) difficulty calculator on: March 19, 2014, 04:57:13 AM
A few things;
First of all, bitcoin mining would be perfectly suitable to switch dynamically from one location to another, far easier than any other form of data processing. You are probably thinking it cant because the hardware is so expensive, but thats only temporarily. IN the long run, electricity cost will be far more important than the hardware cost.

Secondly, varying electricity costs over time for a google/facebook/ebay datacenter is something else than for bitcoin. Those companies look at 10+ years to select a location for a major DC, miners currently have an horizon of a few months and I figure, in the future of at most a few years.

Lastly; at least in Iceland they guarantee you the price for up to 20 years.
http://www.greendataisland.com/whyiceland.html

Anyway, the main point is that at current exchange rates, electricity price of all mining really isnt going to make a difference.  So what if you max out a local small hydroelectric plant causing local prices to go up (which would be unlikely already), you will just put your miners somewhere else, or if you dont, someone else will. This is about as "profound" as one particular collocation provider running out of rackspace and therefore increasing its prices. So what?


(1) I agree that electricity cost will be far more important, but that does not mean that the hardware cost will be trivial.  And that hardware has to get to the cheap electricity somehow.  That means that there are transportation costs, fuel costs, costs to lease space, costs to move personnel, and that's just a few off the top of my head.  To the extent that hardware moves to cheap electricity, there will still be a cost to move that hardware away.  And this cuts both ways - if the transfer costs are low, that just means that more hardware will move to low cost areas, further driving up demand and thus price.  The real question is the supply of cheap electricity - Bitcoin mining may not have enough of an impact to increase the price of electricity in most areas where price is higher, but, if concentrated, it may impact the price in areas where the price is lower.  

(2) That may be true, but aren't you doing a longer term analysis?

(3)  That's interesting - I did not know that about Iceland - how much electricity will they guarantee for low rates at 20 years?  Are there any restrictions?  

Again, my only point is that, to the extent that bitcoin mining increases to the point where ASICs are a commodity, it is unlikely to benefit from significantly below market electricity prices.  I may very well be wrong - maybe there's a bunch of places with stable internet connections and 1.21 gigawatts of continuous electricity available at $0.02 per kwh.  If that's the case, I'm wrong, I just haven't seen that yet.
177  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Gox refunded my fiat transfer! YAY on: March 19, 2014, 04:39:46 AM
Logged into my bank account and there it was, all the money I wired to buy cheap Gox coins.

I am so relieved.  Now, if they would refund the money my wife wired them I would be even happier.

I would also like a chance to withdraw my 10 BTC balance.  I know it isn't much to some of you guys, but it sure means a lot to me.

I don't know who to thank, but I am thankful!  God, is that you?  Good looking out bro!



I'm happy for you that you got your money back, but I agree with other posters that it looks like it was your bank that refunded the money, and that the money never really got to Mt. Gox before they ceased operations.  Accordingly, your bank refunded it.  Maybe Gox stopped accepting deposits a few days before, who knows.  I know nothing about Japanese bankruptcy law, but it looks like you were speculating and knew there was a chance you'd lose some or all of the money, so I'm guessing you would not be first in line to collect should they eventually be able to pay out anything (but again I don't know how the law works there), so it looks like you got really lucky  Smiley
178  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Mining Profitability on: March 11, 2014, 03:31:39 PM
What generally happens when mining becomes unproffitable is the miners themselves refuse to sell bitcoins at a loss.

This drives up the price of bitcoin.

Then more miners come in when profitability increases.

So on and so forth.

There is generally a 3 month delay in the shifting of the bitcoin price,

It happened when the reward halved. It happened when difficulty increased when ASICs arrived on there scene.

Believe me guys, it'll happen again.  SO INVEST ALL YOUR SPARE CASH IN BITCOINS! NOW!!  Grin

To the extent that difficulty has an impact on price, and that is far from certain, it will become less of a factor as the number of mined coins becomes a smaller percentage of total coins.  Plus, my understanding is that most of those who received the first batches of ASICs last summer/fall easily made a return on their investment.  I don't think there is any good evidence that the price rose in November because miners pulled their supply from the market. 

In fact, I think that the first miners that received ASICs that failed to return on the initial investment (or will almost certainly fail to ROI) received them in the past few months - a period where the price has been generally declining (due to external factors, but that's my point).  There's no reason to think that those miners are holding their supply - maybe some are, but others may be selling, reasoning that getting 70% of their investment back is better than risking getting less back if the price continues to decline.  The cost of the equipment is a sunk cost in any event - a rational miner will decide whether to hold or sell their coins for the same reasons as anyone else.
179  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Whats a good Bitcoin Mining profit calculator? on: March 11, 2014, 03:18:20 PM
It seems like all of these, to the extent that they take difficulty increases into account, assume that the rate at which difficulty increases will remain static.  For example, on bitcoinwisdom, I can change the difficulty increase as I see fit, but it applies to all future difficulty increases.  The next increase it set to be around 12.5% according to bitcoinwisdom, but I don't think it is realistic to assume that rate will continue.  Is there any calculator available that allows you to adjust individual difficulty increases? 
180  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Announcement: Bitmain launches AntMiner solution, 0.68 J/GH on chip on: March 08, 2014, 03:28:54 AM
Placed my first order with bitmain today paid immediately after.  Transaction is verified on blockchain yet order status says Unpaid Unshipped Expired.  I've sent them a email with transaction id should I be concerned or is this not uncommon?

This happened on an order I placed earlier in the week - I sent an email, and about an hour later it was updated to show that the order was paid.  It arrived, on time, today.  Hopefully you have similar luck  Smiley  I believe my email was during business hours in China, fwiw.
This same thing happened to me today. 20 confirmations so far and I already emailed them (no reply yet). If nothing changes by tomorrow do you have any advice on what to do?

Other than another email or a PM here, I wouldn't have any suggestions ... but from my experience and others I doubt you have anything to worry about.  Bitmain has a great reputation, and from my personal experience they deserve it.
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