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161  Local / Accuse scam/truffe / Re: CNT Centurion: una scamcoin tutta italiana on: February 13, 2017, 07:32:10 PM
il sito "ufficiale" firefox me lo blocca come sito malevolo

WTF?? i programmi hanno schifezze?
162  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Centurion: The Cryptocurrency for Beginners and Experts Alike on: February 13, 2017, 05:54:13 PM
Your exchange is failing as shit. This morning orders I have put had misteriously dissapeared. You look like Bittrex when rebranding... Cheesy

I guess they want to artificially inflate the coin's price, and they drop all orders below a certain price per coin.

If you look here: https://cryptonext.net/?page=markets

you will see that there are no  orders with price over 16.666  CNT/BTC ...  Probably they "purge" your orders because they are in the 200.000 CNT/BTC
163  Local / Accuse scam/truffe / Re: CNT Centurion: una scamcoin tutta italiana on: February 13, 2017, 05:45:04 PM
Buonasera a tutti.
Ho letto tutta la discussione sulla moneta Centurion.
Quello che vorrei capire è, tralasciando tutte le polemiche e i teatrini di diffamazione personale, qual è il problema nel minare questa moneta?
Parlate di avvisare prima di far mietere vittime. Ma vittime di che??
Io compro e vendo BTC da qualche mese, ho saputo di questa nuova criptomoneta e ieri sera ho installato il programma gratuitamente per minare con il PC di casa. Funziona, nemmeno lo rallenta, è semplice e posso farlo anche io che mi cimento per la prima volta, genera le monete e posso anche scambiarle appunto con i BTC.
Perché mai non dovrei farlo?


Scusa, posso farti una domanda? quante monete hai ottenuto?

164  Local / Accuse scam/truffe / Re: CNT Centurion: una scamcoin tutta italiana on: February 13, 2017, 05:39:08 PM
Lancio centurion:                                       9 Febbraio
Iscrizione bitcointalk utente superciuk:        10 febbraio
Iscrizione bitcointalk utente womanw700:    11 febbraio
Iscrizione bitcointalk utente Yajul:               11 febbraio
Iscrizione bitcointalk utente gasss:              13 febbraio
Iscrizione bitcointalk utente Gcoin17:           13 febbraio
Iscrizione bitcointalk utente RBcoin:             13 febbraio
Iscrizione bitcointalk utente supercyber:       13 febbraio


Chiunque tu sia, hai finito di spammare con multiaccount?

se hostfat venisse pagato per ogni nuovo utente portato, dovrebbe prendere a ben volere il lancio di tutta sta robaccia  Grin

ma siete anche poco furbi, fate iscrivere in massa nuovi utenti 2-3 giorni prima ? Ma almeno pianificate meglio le cose


Stai parlando della gente capace di lasciare un sito in queste condizioni:

www.microfranchising.biz

è da quel sito (di Vieri & c) che ho trovato questo simpatico file: www.microfranchising.biz/centuriontrial.pdf  che ha dato inizio a tutta la mia inchiesta, e mi ha permesso di collegare inizialmente vieri & Sicari a tutta questa storia

"poco furbi" è dire poco  Grin
165  Local / Accuse scam/truffe / Re: CNT Centurion: una scamcoin tutta italiana on: February 13, 2017, 03:46:25 PM
Chissà come fa l'utente superciuk a ottenere risposte dall'exchange in pochi minuti.

Chissà come fa l'utente superciuk a essere tanto informato sulla [urlhttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1783840.msg17812530#msg17812530]biografia  di Riccardo Vieri[/url]

Chissà come fa l'utente superciuk a avere le mail ti Riccardo Vieri ....

Chissà, evidentemente deve conoscere molto molto bene Riccardo Vieri ......

Eppure, superciuk non sa neanche impostare il prezzo di vendita nell' exchange:

i made some operations yesterday and was working fine. I think this exchange is complete but difficult to understand. I didn't learn how to set a price of selling.

Come in tutti gli exchange, se fai un ordine di mercato ti prendi quello che c'è. Altrimenti, bisogna andare su "Advanced" ...
Ma cazzo, devo farti io assistenza sul vostro exchange?

Altrimenti, potevi chiederlo a Riccardo, lui lo sapeva fare di sicuro  Grin Grin

E chiedigli anche come val la questione dell'X11 e gli ASIC

Per quel che riguarda il tuo sproloquio:

Peccato che la press release sia l'agenzia che ha lanciato numerose monete mondiali e quella che ha più spinto il bitcoin come da loro dicharazione su:

http://bitcoinprbuzz.com/press-release-centurion-cryptocurrency/

Quellòa pagina parla di "bitcoin startups" ... che poi, che mi frega di quella pagina. Io mi riferivo alla frase di Vieri:

> noi abbiamo preso le società che hanno gestito il lancio di bitcoin e di ethereum

che è una cazzata bestiale, come l'altra:

>  Bitcoin ha fatto così per essere accettato sul mercato, non lo sa nessuno.

Ma vergognatevi!

ma hai omesso il resto della risposta di Vieri che è integralmente

Certo che l'ho omessa. Forse "Vieri" avrà voluto scherzare, ma è partito con una raffica di menzogne:

> Resto sorpreso dalla vostra richiesta di informazioni, perché  non mi occupo della gestione della cripto valuta centurion, essendo la stessa decentralizzata e non controllata da alcuna compagnia

Vieri non se ne occupa?

Non è controllata da nessuna compagnia? La cryptonetworks detiene il 20% del minato!

Sarà anche che non ho afferrato il sottile humour toscano dei suoi scherzi, ma a me sembrano tutte palle.

Come sembrano palle tutto quello che vai dicendo tu.

Chissà ... un altro elemento che ti accomuna a Vieri .....

166  Local / Accuse scam/truffe / Re: CNT Centurion: una scamcoin tutta italiana on: February 13, 2017, 02:49:31 PM

LA PROSSIMA VOLTA CHE VOGLIONO INVENTARE QUALCOSA ANCHE IN VATICANO DICONO CHE PRENDONO TE MR TRUFFACOIN, SEI TROPPO FORTE


Guarda quanto ci voleva a Vieri: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=asic+x11+miner

 Roll Eyes
167  Local / Accuse scam/truffe / Re: CNT Centurion: una scamcoin tutta italiana on: February 13, 2017, 01:45:59 PM
Wow, spuntate come funghi .....

-Una nuova moneta minabile DA TUTTI ( anch'io da perfetto ignorante tecnologico ho scaricato il programma e mino da CPU E GPU senza essere un programmatore ! )

Rispondo a te, ma vale per tutti:

Forse ti è sfuggito il piccolo errore che il vostro coin analyst ha commesso....

Quando su centurionlab.org Vieri scriveva "la sua tecnologia previene l'uso dei potenti sistemi ASIC" ..... ha preso un granchio!

Al genio delle criptovalute è sfuggito che oramai anche X11 è aggredibile con gli ASIC.

Quindi, l'epoca in cui si può minare Centurion da PC sta finendo o forse è già finita... Al prossimo aggiustamento, la difficoltà schizzerà in alto e quelli col PC resteranno a becco asciutto... Tanto vale giocare a Minecraft!

Non ci credete ?

leggete qui: http://truffacoin.com/la-truffa-centurion-si-presenta-al-pubblico

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Ma mi spiegate che nesso possa esserci tra questa definizione ed un business creato da esperti di marketing a rete a livello mondiale, con esperienza
pluridecennale nel settore

Magari se avessero preso anche qualcuno con seperienza nelle criptovalute il tutto funzionava meglio  Grin Grin
168  Local / Accuse scam/truffe / Re: CNT Centurion: una scamcoin tutta italiana on: February 13, 2017, 10:48:13 AM
I supergeni di Centurion l'hanno un po' fatta fuori dal vaso, perché hanno lanciato cnt.network (il sito di MLM Ponzi) contemporaneamente alla moneta.

Questo non gli ha fatto fare bella figura nel thread di annuncio della criptovaluta, anche perché la mia domanda:

1) How is the CNT cryptocurrency connected to the cnt.network site, owned by the Dubai Company, Cryptonetwork Ltd?

resta senza risposta da pare del dev, che è curiosamente silenzioso,

Visto questo, hanno chiuso il sito www.cnt.network, mettendoci una bella pagina di login

Se qualcuno volesse proprio vedere comunque il loro sito (a proposito di "troiate da meeting per ritardati"), queste sono le versioni archiviate di buona parte del sito:


http://cnt.network/index.php
http://archive.is/pF3kn

http://cnt.network/contatti.html
http://archive.is/mRKMK

http://cnt.network/shop.html
http://archive.is/TNIgX

http://cnt.network/faq.html
http://archive.is/VrPqm

http://cnt.network/eventi-P51.html
http://archive.is/jphdd

http://cnt.network/package-P50.html
http://archive.is/XPSv6

http://www.cnt.network/criptovalute-P55.html
http://archive.is/Y7JEX

http://cnt.network/mission-P42.html
http://archive.is/uIi37

http://cnt.network/package-AC22.html
http://archive.is/D6gam

http://www.cnt.network/network-marketing-AC24.html
http://archive.is/M9II9

http://cnt.network/package-master-A544.html
http://archive.is/R4iIg

http://cnt.network/web-marketing-P47.html
http://archive.is/SOeEB

http://cnt.network/piano-compensi-P49.html
http://archive.is/0QNFN

http://www.cnt.network/pianocompensi/ita.pdf
http://archive.is/8Ivx1

http://www.cnt.network/package--professional-A543.html
http://archive.is/lFEyk
169  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Centurion: The Cryptocurrency for Beginners and Experts Alike on: February 12, 2017, 09:55:41 PM
truffacoin is a scammer. one small fly bird informed that he was used to scam people on italian bitcoin community. It seems he was also subscribed in onecoin one ponzi scheme with fake value. So Truffacoin, next time will be truffacoin leaks. Stay tuned.

You are completely ridiculous.

You say I was in Onecoin? Let's see how credible are your accusations and what are my credentials

1) On my site, I have written 12 articles attacking Onecoin: http://truffacoin.com/category/onecoin

2) I have received a Cease and Desist letter from some lawyers of the main Onecoin distributors in order to remove those articles: http://truffacoin.com/sites/default/files/principe-strata-onecoin.pdf

3) I have replyed them to fuck off, kept my articles and moved my hosting to Iceland

4) I have written articles against all the major Ponzi Coins: Onecoin, Coinspace, SwissCoin, Habcoin, .... and now of course Centurion

This shows how your accusation "truffacoin was in Onecoin" is bullshit.


The Italian bitcoin community knows my site and respects it for what I am doing.

170  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Centurion: The Cryptocurrency for Beginners and Experts Alike on: February 12, 2017, 07:43:08 PM

i wrong !
I recieve letter from John davemport <info@excambiorex.com>, not cryptonext.net
Can I trust them ?

I am 99.9% sure excambiorex is owned and controlled by Cryptonetwork Ltd, the Dubai MLM company controlled by the Italian "inventors" of the coin. Otherwise, who could open an exchange ON THE SAME DAY that the coin is launched?

So no, they cannot be trusted, as they are Ponzi.

But as I said they don't want to scam you of 0.2 BTC, they want bigger scam.
171  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Centurion: The Cryptocurrency for Beginners and Experts Alike on: February 12, 2017, 07:20:45 PM
but with info@cryptonext.net wrote to me that i must give him my documents.

Hah! a Crypto-to-crypto exchange that requires your documents  Grin
Do you think i can be trusted cryptonext.net ?

I think cryptonext.net is a serious business, and can be trusted (like any other small exchange)

excambiorex.com is COMPLETELY different. This is the exchange of Cryptonetwork Ltd, the Dubai Ponzi company, and they are just customers of cryptonext.net.

It's like if you have scammer@gmail.com .... Gmail can be trusted, but scammer@gmail.com is just a customer of gmail.com

But don't worry! they don't want to scam you of your 0.2 BTC  Grin

They have already sold about 60 "master centurion" packages at 5000 Euros / 7 bitcoin each .... they want to scam BIG like Ruja Ignatova Tongue
172  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Centurion: The Cryptocurrency for Beginners and Experts Alike on: February 12, 2017, 07:01:14 PM
but with info@cryptonext.net wrote to me that i must give him my documents.

Hah! a Crypto-to-crypto exchange that requires your documents  Grin
173  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Centurion: The Cryptocurrency for Beginners and Experts Alike on: February 12, 2017, 06:27:56 PM

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You are unable to make withdrawals as this feature as been disabled on your account.

Please contact the platform operator for further information.
Where i should contact ?

Coin has just appeared, and already having problems.
I hope this is not a scam?


They know VERY little of crypto-currencies.

They paid some dev to make the coin, but now they aren't able to support it. As you see the dev has disappeared.... probably he is explaining to them that if they want support from him they must pay more  Grin

The same for the exchange: they didn't code the exchange, they have purchased the "white label exchange" service from Cryptonext.net
( https://cryptonext.net/?page=products#white_label_exchange ) and now they don't know how to operate it and support it :-)

Did you upload KYC documents?

Otherwise, you MAYBE could try and contact Cryptonext themselves (the real makers of the exchange)
174  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Centurion: The Cryptocurrency for Beginners and Experts Alike on: February 12, 2017, 10:54:46 AM
The dev is curiously silent on the thread he started (and supposedly should care of).

The dev's account tells us:

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Trust summary for NielsB17
This user's password was reset recently.
This user's email address was changed recently.

Far from being proof, but could be a hint on the account having been sold...

Add to this that NielsB17's previous account was bestbtcfaucetbox:

...
Im a newbie since my old account username i didnt like bestbtcfaucetbox.
...
Regards

Niels

And that he already sold that account (and in a clumsy way, BTW)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1526041.0;all

I admit being slightly paranoic  Grin but that makes you wonder: did someone buy an account just to launch this coin?
175  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Centurion: The Cryptocurrency for Beginners and Experts Alike on: February 11, 2017, 07:47:03 PM
Holy cow! are you high on something?

Also photoshop counterfaith. You used one of his picture and added a coin in background. Yes it's in your site, anyone can see that, so you did. This is the second lie Mr Truffacoin, second and very big.

Seriously? This is my huge lie?

Posting this image:


As the header of an article? Is this a lie?

The third lie you wrote is that Mr Vieri was in previous Ponzi Scheme.
....
Then Organo Gold is not a ponzi scheme. Organo gold received a penality in Italy

Yeah, Organogold was fined 250.000 by the Italian Antitrust for being a "sistema di promozione a carattere piramidale" (pyramid marketing scheme). And my lie is calling them a Ponzi?

He left them and changed. You don't know anything truffacoin, only lies. i cans end you the legal opinion he made in 2013, so to force og to be regular even if he wasn't involved personally in Organo Gold

If he wan't involved personally in OrganoGold, how come he was a Diamond in OG?

There he is at an Organogold award:


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also becouse Crypronetwork website, as you also admitted, is not on line yet!!!

THIS IS HILARIOUS :-)

WERE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS  REALLY ENOUGH TO HAVE YOU  PULL DOWN YOUR SHITTY SITE??  Grin


Yeah, I'm speaking of http://www.cnt.network ... did you really pull it down ? Cool !

Also, i know many things becouse i Know Mr Riccardo Vieri since many years and how know how he works, how much worth and he is such a gentleman

Would this gentleman, or someone else from the coin, answer my question:
How is the CNT cryptocurrency connected to the cnt.network site, owned by the Dubai Company, Cryptonetwork Ltd?
176  Local / Accuse scam/truffe / Re: CNT Centurion: una scamcoin tutta italiana on: February 11, 2017, 05:28:56 PM
E' che hanno aperto il thread di annuncio:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1783840.0

Diciamo che non sono stati accolti proprio a braccia aperte, il 20% di pre-mine è un po' da ingordi :-)

Il dev non dice nulla sul Ponzi, in compenso ci sono ingenui che (indirettamente) confermano che Vieri è dietro a Centurion... Si vede che gli ordini di scuderia su questo punto non sono stati molto chiari.
177  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Centurion: The Cryptocurrency for Beginners and Experts Alike on: February 11, 2017, 02:58:12 PM
Not supporting the coin but I think just because it is based on a multi level marketing model doesn't disqualify the legitimacy of the coin. If that is the model it is admittedly and transparently using, then it really makes it no more or less legitimate then any of the myriad of alts out there.

Kinda like how ICOs don't qualify automatically for a scam.

The problem is the complete lack of transparency.

OP has ONLY linked to centurionlab.org, and that site does not cite MLM at all. Even in its "Partners" page, no-where is cnt.network or the Dubai Company mentioned

I was the  first to mention cnt.network .... Isn't that a bit odd?

Isn't it a bit odd that OP has NEVER addressed the matter?

Isn't it a bit odd that my basic question:

>  1) How is the CNT cryptocurrency connected to the cnt.network site, owned by the Dubai Company, Cryptonetwork Ltd?

is still un-answered?

A MLM behind a crypto-currency does not AUTOMATICALLY disqualify the coin, but the complete lack of transparency reeks of a scam..

The fact that CNT Centurion NEVER explicitely acknowledges its links with cnt.network, and that cnt.network NEVER explicitely acknowledges its links with CNT Centurion .... Isn't it a bit odd?

The only one that speaks of the coin AND the Dubai company is Superciuk, who is NOT an official spoke-person, and probably talks too much (he is also the only one to somehow recognize the role of Riccardo Vieri.... It's probably a bit of a "loose lips" situation....

178  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Centurion: The Cryptocurrency for Beginners and Experts Alike on: February 11, 2017, 02:39:19 PM

Man, you're just pushing fake information around without any proof. whaever you wrote about these issues is fake and i can proove this.

Please prove that anything I wrote is false. You type a lot but don't prove anything.

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In your articles on your websites you write first that Centurion was not a real coin becouse had no an open source code;

FALSE: What I have written is that "nowhere it says it's open source" and then proceeded to speculate "if it's not open source, then .."

That was the situation when I wrote that article, it was NOT false, as nowhere it said that Centurion would be open-sourced. Anyway, for full transparency, now that its source has been released, I have edited my article.

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On your scam site,  You posted even one illegal voice recording not authorized of someone talking about a project that wasn't started yet so you're just hiding behing a computer, writing lies.

Yes, I published excerpts from a leaked audio. No,the project was fully startied, as they were already collecting the associates' money.

And no, I am not writing lies.


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You also posted 3 lines of reply of one person instead of posting all his reply. So you manipulated an answer knowing that. i read what Mr Vieri wrote you in reply of your request. And he was clearly joking with you becouse you didn't sign..

Before publishing my article, I contacted Mr Vieri for informations about the project.

He replied to my enquiry, and his email started thus:

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Buon giorno,

Resto sorpreso dalla vostra richiesta di informazioni, perché non mi occupo della gestione della cripto valuta centurion ...

( Good morning,
I am surprised by your request of information, as I am not involved with managing the Centurion cryptocurrency ... )

Mr Vieri was not joking, he was lieing.

In his mail he went on specifying that the coin was not controlled by a network marketing society, and that all he knew was from hearsay.  That made the rest of his mail completely useless. You know, I don't publish from hearsay....

He was not "joking". He was  lieing.

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Also do you know the background of Mr Vieri?

So, are you confirming that Riccardo Vieri is involved in the development of Centurion ?

Because, you know, he denies that.

And yes, I am very familiar with the background of Mr Vieri, and of his involvment in Ponzi schemes that have been fined and forced to shut down from the Italian Antitrust, such as Organogold. But AGAIN if he is not involved, all that is irrelevant.

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you wrote that someone is not paying the taxes becouse there's a company in Dubai and for this reason, some of them in your opinion will not pay taxes;

Yes, that is my opinion. I heard Mr Vieri saying "We have setup a Dubai organization" but he denied being behind the company, or that the company even existed. From the fact he was hiding his involvment in Cryptonetwork, I extrapolated that the Dubai company ould be used to dodge Italian Anti-Ponzi laws and Italian Taxes.

But, if Mr Vieri comes forward acknowledging his role in Cryptonetwork, I will COMPLETELY retract what I wrote and assume he'll properly file taxes. At the moment he is hiding, so my opinion is unchanged.

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You showed old documents made by someone individually and you also manipulated them! You even matched pictures with photoshop!

This is false. All the documents I published are un-retouched slides from the presentation that Mr. Vieri and Mrs Sicari were giving. Please point to a SINGLE document i have Photoshpped.

Asfor being "old documents", I requested Mr Vieri if the presentation I had was outdated, to no avail.


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You're so faulse that you wrote about 5.000 euros fees to purchase coins  by people interested in the project!!!
You are absolutely ridiculous and are nitpicking in bad faith. The "5.000 Euro" amount is from the presentation. And yes, if you really want to nit-pick  it has later changed by Mr Vieri to 7 bitcoin... Does this change the substance of the matter? Am I lieing because of this?

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I also saw a written opinion of one of the most important lawyer in the field regarding the compliance of the project. Around 29 pages written with all reasons why the project is fine and why is full legal for antitrust and compliance to any law of the world.

You "saw" a 29-pages legal opinion? Did you "see" it or "read" it? Can we see it too? Because if all we have is that you "saw" 29 pages, that's quite irrelevant, and I can point you to several "legal opinions" of Italian lawyers that were declaring that Onecoin is fully legal in Italy, and after a few months Italian Antitrust has shut down Onecoin in Italy.

Also, "any law of the world" ? No lawyer would EVER write this, so I guess you are just bull-shitting.

179  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Centurion: The Cryptocurrency for Beginners and Experts Alike on: February 11, 2017, 06:55:50 AM
And some coins have values only becouse they're related to companies so are not decentralized at all.

Sure, there are coins that have value only because they are related to companies, but ...

THEY HAVE VALUE BECAUSE THEY ARE RELATED TO COMPANIES THAT HAVE VALUE.

Your company is a shelf company, I could  just pay a few thousand dollars and get an identical company!

This is the address of the company:

Cryptonetwork Ltd
Office 2905
29th floor, Jumeirah Business Centre 3 Cluster Y
Jumeirah Lake Towers Dubai

Just google "29th floor, Jumeirah Business Centre 3 Cluster Y" and you will find SCORES of other companies at that address.

It's just a shelf company, with:
- no clear business plan (how will it make money?)
- no clear VC investment plan (where does it money come from?)
- no value of itself, apart providing some level of anonimity to the Ponzi operators.

How can such a company give value to CNT Centurion?

Sure, you'll find people that will mine it, but they'll just dump it ASAP, because anybody who has some experience in cryptocurrencies sees this coin has no value.
180  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Centurion: The Cryptocurrency for Beginners and Experts Alike on: February 11, 2017, 06:33:17 AM
Says the guy with the newbie account.   Roll Eyes

BTW, that's an  ITALIAN guy with a newbie account, as Superciuk is a character from an Italian comic series from the '70s
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