Though the team seem to possess some sort of technical experience, potential investors should be aware that they seem to be contributing to a possible manipulation of the coin price. Keep in mind this guys already made 12 million from the ICO and still owns half of the token in existence. All topic related to price is forbidden on telegram and will lead to a ban. The community manager even banned me for a non insulting statement i made to him in PM. He claims that you not allowed to talk about price because they protecting investors from been coerced by price discussion and that the sec could monitor the thread and they will get into trouble for letting investors talk about price  I swear to have received/kept this comment on pm
Again, take it from someone who has already recorded a significant loss from the project, the project still has a long way to go down. Make sure, to investigate the coin release schedule and don't hesitate to repost any info that u believe might be useful to other investors on here, cos on telegram, if the message is not a sill/ paints the project in positive light, they will ban the member that created the post, then delete or bury those info with several pages of banner
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I still have some old VIU and didn't know about the SWAP.
Is it possible to SWAP them? I'm getting tired of such coins and TOKENS.
I think you're late to the party.. So, let me get this right ppl paid money for this tokens admin had a sneak swap refused to swap any token post the sneak deadline kept all the funds meant for investors that missed the sneak swap will automatically ban for bringing it up on a private forums. Zero discussion allowed[/li][/list] Well, there is only one thing to do here. If they already conned their investors once, they bound to repeat the process again And don't give me the "u snooze u lose" comment cos that straight bullshit. If the idea is to encourage greater adoption of decentralized companies, then we can't expect investors to lose out on hundreds to several thousand of dollars because they weren't monitoring some thread for update for a few weeks. Also drives it home when the admin reclaim their investors fund for themselves (literally stealing cos those investors paid for those token) So, yeah this is an easy one, and i hope some of u take the time to visit their other channels and make your opinion known. I will stick around to make sure this stays in the forefront for awhile. Beware: This is a Scam. Admin stole from investors. Refuse to address it. Also, their social site is quite laggy, poorly constructed and looks like a quick grab job (visit the site, extensively talk to others, join the discord and observe their interaction or lack of interaction with investors enquirer about their fund. So, yeah this is an easy one |
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Actually people don't join these AMA sessions or even don't read later about their own raised questions, answers. This is the problem we see over and over again repeated things. They are working well now and explanation for those extra tokens is pretty sensible and justify their point of view. Price of OPQ are very good now if someone doens't believe in its future can exit easily.
Oh, i read everything. Am just not docile enough to ignore obvious bs wrapped with an extra layer of bs explanation. So let break it down, they minted 27 extra million coins. 20 million for salary (we could use more transaparency on who is employed, their salary etc this is suppose to be a decentralized affair, last i check bruno was making most of the updates but just in case they hired new devs, those info should be made public with their salary) Another 5 million for current and future employee grants ( not sure why this is needed when funds have already been allocated for salary) 2 million for additional reserve ( again not sure why this is needed when funds have been allocated for salary) So basically, one of their co-workers claim that the current admins had intentionally boosted up the price to dump on their investors, he beat em to the punch and dumped on everyone, then they created 27 extra million coins for messing up. 20 million for salary and 7 million to pad their pocket to circumvent any loss they might have suffered from bruno. So yeah i read a lot and i watch a lot of ama, and guess who also had ama and multiple convention? Thats right Bitconnect and the several multiple projects that ended up scamming their investors |
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New prospective investors should note that this new team created 27 extra million coins after their co worker decided to dump on everyone. It should also be noted that clear details were not provided for the use of the extra coins. Keep in mind that when bruno originally dumped, he claimed he did it to beat this current admins to the punch cos they had intended to artificially boost up the price and dump on everyone.
So, basically the guys with claims that they intended to dump, just created 27 million extra coins at there disposal with no clear reason given for the use. Don't take my word but do a thorough research before investing with this group, there are several other platform with far more reliable leaders that you will be better off investing with. Take care.
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@jtalk I think the problem is that what they do from now on will not have any credibility, trust is lost faster than money and costs more to recover.
Lol, it took this for you to lose credibility in them. Not the fact that the guy responsible for this, also pumped and dumped whalecoin, zclassic, primecoin etc and wasn't shy about letting ppl know what he did. Shit he is still quite outspoken about it on twitter, claiming that ppl wanted this coins and he didn't force anyone to buy it. Technically, he is right. But that like intentionally poisoning a piece of cake and presenting it to an obese kid. So yeah, its our fault/greed as a mass cos we cont to support bs like this. God knows how many insults were directed at it when this crap was pumping around $45 and i was advising ppl to stay away. Well, you can lick your would, while Rhett is somewhere in puerto rico living it up. |
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Coinsmarket kept all mine.  |
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New prospective investors should note that this new team created 27 extra million coins after their co worker decided to dump on everyone. It should also be noted that clear details were not provided for the use of the extra coins. Keep in mind that when bruno originally dumped, he claimed he did it to beat this current admins to the punch cos they had intended to artificially boost up the price and dump on everyone.
So, basically the guys with claims that they intended to dump, just created 27 million extra coins at there disposal with no reason given for the use.But left to some that are already invested and trying to get their money back/flip a profit out of the dump, they would have you believe that this is currently in legit hands.
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OPQ needs more often updates and communication with its holders than before. Why because through what it has been after that everything should have been accelerated. This low volume is result of lack of openly available updates. We know github is active but not everyone understands that part. Bi-weekly updates should be restored immediately.
Nope. apart from the hindrance of a bear market, am sure most are not thrilled the group went ahead and created 27millions extra tokens post one of their co-workers dumping, especially when the dumper claimed that they intend to dump and he beat em to the punch. It does not help when real reason is not provided for the extra tokens, so all it seem is they secured an extra bag to compensate any loss they might have taken from bruno to facilitate a future dump. |
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Actual supply for OPQ should be less than PRL because they burnt tokens and also Bruno's allocated tokens will also be taken out of the total supply. If these two things are done then remaining supply will be more less than what Pearl had. They should be as transparent as possible specially after what Bruno's their colleague did with people those trusted them.
According to this medium post by bill codes the CEO, the total supply of opq is 130 million, and they not keen on been truly transparent about that 27 million cos its easy to deduce that a portion of that is meant to circumvent any loss they might have taken from the mysterious bruno (mysterious in that bruno could be one of the guys screaming wolf) https://medium.com/opacity-storage/introducing-opacity-b6cdce34dc16 |
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Bump cos this need to stay on the forefront Are you trying to contribute to depreciate even those OPQ tokens you do own?
Nothing is 100% fair in life. If they fulfilled your request, others would come and request more tokens and where would you put the line what is still ok and what not?
They are trying to save the project by any means, try to think as in their shoes for a while. Would you prefer all your remaining tokens (and every others) to be worthless too?
When you talking about financial structures, you can't use the statement that nothing in life is fair. A clear con is a clear con. I guess its all fair that they create 27 million coins(with no clear indication for the use of 7 million) but individuals that actually invested legit money into the project are left with nothing. If a token was bought before the swap, they should have honored those token, cos this are real prl token. Its not like we bought prl tokens that have been swapped and tried to swap it again. This is legit tokens, that were bought during the dump cos some of us had buy orders on dex. So, one of their co-workers fucks up, the investors get to pay for it and they create extra tokens for themselves to supplement the loss they have taken and its all good. Again, they created 27 million extra tokens, with no clear distinction on what 7 million will be utilized for (keep in mind that bruno only dumped 3 million and did state that they planned on dumping till he beat them to it) So there is a lot of discrepancy and acting like its not an issue, is part of the issue in crypto and ultimately dissuade greater adoption. We need to weed bullshit like this out. Supplement crypto with any other ecosystem and replicate this scenario and see if its adding up. So, i rather lose the value of my opq but make sure bullshit like this stay on the forefront cos new investors that are naive about the project, need to be aware of what they getting into. Its that greed/sheep mentality that is so presrnt in this sphere, where the dev is held above mistake/con that is hindering the greater adoption on this thing we all love. Sometime you have to be willing to take a lose for the greater good, and judging from the action of this group, i seriously doubt that they trying to save the project for the long run, rather i think they just trying to keep it afloat long enough that the market hopefully recovers, so they can carry out their original plan that was sidestepped by bruno |
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Well DOH!!! Most project utilizing the cryptonote protocol is sourced from monero. Also, your knock off coin is a fork of haven, thus making your pirate attempt a source from monero. Its about having an idea and taking that code to create something new from it.
No it's a knock off monero, because haven IS monero. there is no difference except a broken daa we removed again. So you are a knock off from a knock off (a second generation generation knock off)  Am still anticipating that name change to free bitconnect, lets really do it for the lulz rather than gaining all this hash power from miners hoping to replicate the success of the monero knock off |
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The one thing we know for a fact is they created an eth token, which anyone of us can easily create and added 27 million tokens to the total supply with no real reason given for 7 million. There is no real technical implementation published from the team, there is a few insignificant github post to maintain the facade and an idea backed with eth token.
As it currently stands, the one individual that might have the technical ability to materialize those ideas, have supposedly dumped and left. So the only real thing we have to talk about, is the the exit scam and the ridiculous amount of extra token that was added to the total supply. There is literally nothing else tangible for us to talk about.
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Like he stated, a bunch of geniuses will love to copy the code in this early stages and claim that its theirs while quipping that the source is a scam. So, i don't blame them for keeping it closed, when you have vultures utilizing your name/ideas to push their unoriginal agendas.
the source is monero, haven is scam. Well DOH!!! Most project utilizing the cryptonote protocol is sourced from monero. Also, your knock off coin is a fork of haven, thus making your pirate attempt a source from monero. Its about having an idea and taking that code to create something new from it. The sad thing is there is always vultures that lack the ability to come up with original idea, so they just steal from actual innovators. It wouldn't be an issue if the relationship is symbiotic but we all know how parasites behave. So, am still wondering why you haven't renamed this to Free Bitconnnect or Free Onecoin if its all for the lulz. Anyway, you can keep HOPING, WISHING and HATING!!!!!! while i head on over to bittrex (an exchange am sure you will never be listed in) and trade REAL haven coins. |
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hahaha you want them to open source at the early stage so, that you people can copy paste it???
i would never want them to public their offshore code
forcing them to closed source would be ok also. It's basically proven the system can be hacked soon you have seen the code. also you can't call it "cryptocoin" when it's closed source. because the most important feature of a cryptocoin is the "consensus". There is zero consensous when it's closed source. Like he stated, a bunch of geniuses will love to copy the code in this early stages and claim that its theirs while quipping that the source is a scam. So, i don't blame them for keeping it closed, when you have vultures utilizing your name/ideas to push their unoriginal agendas. |
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Again, I will repeat that they still have those opq tokens that were emitted to replace those rejected prl tokens in their possession and they have 27 millions extra tokens with no real allocation for 7 million tokens. Bruno only dumped 3 millions
Someone did receive Opacity tokens for those legit Pearl tokens (emphasis on legit). It just wasn’t you because you bought tokens after the snapshot on a risky exchange. The extra tokens generated were never intended to people for transactions after the snapshot. True. Although I feel sympathy for Islapdonkey's wasted ETH, he should refrain from saying untrue statements. Devs didn't keep the tokens, just someone else got them instead of Islapdonkey. Someone who kept PRL at the time of snapshot. Also he should refrain from using rude words and spamming here, he must have realized it won't help. He is just depreciating tokens that he and other investors still own. SMFH the ignorance or feign of ignorance been displayed is quite amazing. There is an originally total supply of prl and when a new contract was elicted, that total amount was emitted plus an extra 27 million tokens was added to generate the total amount of opq tokens. So whether you had your token on kucoin, mew, topia, or whatever other eth wallet/dex, the same exact amount of opq was elicited to replace those prl token, thus the new total amount, representing the original prl total amount plus the added 27 million tokens. So every prl token in existence had the same amount of opq generated. Thus every coin including those that were present prior to the snapshot and post the snapshot all add up to create that initial prl token amount (you do realize that this snapshot didn't entail a broken chain or anything, this is just an eth token, every tokens were still active just as it were prior to the snapshot) So those coin that were rejected had comparable opq emitted to supplement it, just like your prl token that you had prior to snapshot had the same amount of comparable token created to supplement it. @Islapdonkey, I am not sure you understand what they are trying to tell. Lets see how this swap was done. I am not 100% sure, but if I understand correctly, it was done the following way: - developers generated the new tokens; - the number of those tokens is equal to the number of PRL, that existed at the time of when the announced "snapshot" ETH block 6607247 was generated; plus 27M tokens, but lets forget about them for a moment; - then they made a list of all the ETH addresses which had PRL tokens at the block 6607247, then manually (or automatically - not sure) sent appropriate number of OPQ tokens to those addresses If the swap was indeed done that way, it means the person who sold you the PRL on the EtherDelta, has received "your" OPQ tokens instead of you. Those tokens are not at the possession of the developers anymore, but are at the possession of that guy. Basically he kinda "doublespent" them, if we use the term more generally. That's all the guys above are trying to tell. Still, I believe it would be correct if Bill Cordes and the team reimburse you in some way using the extra minted tokens, but this is up to their good will, of course. This swap was not handled the very best way (I believe so, but this is not the place to go into deep details), so they could make something to iron things out. But even if we don't try to find who is right and who is wrong, an unhappy investor like you spoils the atmosphere around the project, so it would be beneficial for the project to make him happy, even if it means spending some coins out of their own pockets. But... I don't think us discussing this here, will help you to convince devs. Not sure if they are looking here at all. Hey dray, if the doublespent scenario is the case, then sure i get it (like i said, am been forced to go really long and in the rare scenario this actually becomes a major player, most of the admin are us based, so we heading to court, am not one to ever forget, they can make their case) But the current reality is the snapshot was taken a few hrs after their co workers decided to dump on everyone and those of us with buy orders on dex that didn't see their medium/blockfolio post are meant to pay for the mistake of on of their co-workers. Also, we need to stay on that 27 extra million tokens, you have been around this space for awhile, so how much sense does it make that they would need 7 extra million tokens for grant/reserve, when 20 million is already reserved for salary, it makes absolutely no sense at all. Especially when bruno had indicated that this guys intended to dump and he beat em to it. So it seem like they weren't keep an eye on their co-worker, he fucks all the investors and they reward themselves with 7 million to circumvent any loss they might have taken. As for my decision to move the discussion here, they made that choice for me by banning me from telegram, not because i was rude or insulting, but because an admin i spoke with felt that i placed pressure on him by trying to verify the info he gave me in pm with the other admins. I also tried to pm bill cordes and received no reply, so i had no choice but to move the conversation to a public forum where info cannot be censored So, my quips are meant to keep the discussion open for new naive investor who might be interested in project. We currently have an admin group that one of them fucked up and his co-workers can't even identify who the culprit is, so its quite possible that it could be one of the guys crying wolf. Then the aforementioned bad apple states that he acted to beat out his co-workers who intended to do the same thing and this co-workers generated 27 extra million tokens and provided no real reason for 7 million. The whole thing seem fishy as fuck, cos some of us with buy orders on dex are left fucked (due to actions from one of their co-workers) while they created 7 million extra tokens for themselves. |
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Again, I will repeat that they still have those opq tokens that were emitted to replace those rejected prl tokens in their possession and they have 27 millions extra tokens with no real allocation for 7 million tokens. Bruno only dumped 3 millions
Someone did receive Opacity tokens for those legit Pearl tokens (emphasis on legit). It just wasn’t you because you bought tokens after the snapshot on a risky exchange. The extra tokens generated were never intended to people for transactions after the snapshot. True. Although I feel sympathy for Islapdonkey's wasted ETH, he should refrain from saying untrue statements. Devs didn't keep the tokens, just someone else got them instead of Islapdonkey. Someone who kept PRL at the time of snapshot. Also he should refrain from using rude words and spamming here, he must have realized it won't help. He is just depreciating tokens that he and other investors still own. SMFH the ignorance or feign of ignorance been displayed is quite amazing. There is an originally total supply of prl and when a new contract was elicted, that total amount was emitted plus an extra 27 million tokens was added to generate the total amount of opq tokens. So whether you had your token on kucoin, mew, topia, or whatever other eth wallet/dex, the same exact amount of opq was elicited to replace those prl token, thus the new total amount, representing the original prl total amount plus the added 27 million tokens. So every prl token in existence had the same amount of opq generated. Thus every coin including those that were present prior to the snapshot and post the snapshot all add up to create that initial prl token amount (you do realize that this snapshot didn't entail a broken chain or anything, this is just an eth token, every tokens were still active just as it were prior to the snapshot) So those coin that were rejected had comparable opq emitted to supplement it, just like your prl token that you had prior to snapshot had the same amount of comparable token created to supplement it. So getting mad at me for stating the obvious is silly, cos am not making unfounded statements. This guys actually still have those tokens reserved for the rejected tokens in their process plus they have 27 million more without any clear direction on what 7 million will be utilized for, but i guess that fine to some of you cos after all they are the admin, they know best, just like bruno was the admin. Quite funny/sad that u will get mad about me clearly stating fact but won't challenge the admin to explain why they need 5 million for grant and 2 million on reserve, if 20 million has already been allocated to salary As for the other comment about me purchasing my tokens from a risky exchange, i don't even know what to say, When you have an individual that claims to be a crypto enthusiast and they dare proclaim that a dex is risky compared to a centralized exchange. Definitely have a really long way to go with some of this quote or quote investors. SMFH. As for my constant quips, its meant for a new naive investor to make sure they have all the picture before investing, am not really worried about my investment cos in the rare scenario, where opq actually survives and become a major player in the ecosystem, i will receive what am due. Cos most of the admin is based in US and the silly quip about taking a snapshot a few hours after there co worker dumped and creating a medium post/blockfolio post won't fly in any US court, especially when i can easily prove that i bought legitimate tokens from a legitimate exchange. So in away they forcing me to go really long but while we wait, the shady aspects of their character need to stay on the forefront. |
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I have not looked into telegram's discussion for few good days so have no idea what is the topic there. But as you have pointed out at extra minted tokens then you should take care of buyers. These are few setbacks of these cryptomarkets as you can not store them for long term. You must keep active else there is big risk of loosing them. I hope this issue should be settled down in good way then things to move ahead.
I have spoken to admin on telegram and they are adamant that they won't swap those token, and apart from the extra minted tokens, they also still have those token allocated that was emitted to replace those tokens they rejecting in their possession. As for the prior account that keeps talking about lower than market value, there really is no set market value when it comes to investing, we have witness false sell off in eth several times where buy order that are set way below the current price, shit tesla sharply dropped when there was indication that musk have have issues with the authorities, so this is not a retail business with a set value. By the way, what will you say is the market value of bitcoin, cos two weeks ago it was hovering at $6500, and currently trading at $3700 So i will keep repeating that in other to encourage wider adoption of this products, bs like this needs to be addressed and rectified. Resulting to the old adage of it been the way thing are/staying docile least your little investment be negatively impacted is doing us no favor in the long run. I will keep repeating that they still have the token that was emitted to replace those rejected tokens, plus 27 million extra tokens of which 7 million has no real use allocated to it. |
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Whenever such situation appeared in past we saw same thing in few projects in past where people tried to benefit of the dumping and became victim of that short trading period. I don't know how this part will be solved here but in other projects those tried to catch falling knives just got hurt their hands. When you see unusual activity in market first make sure of the facts why all that is happening next time.
So its the investors fault for having buy orders on dex? Lets even say they didn't have buy orders on dex but bought it after the snapshot cos they were unaware of a post that was made on medium/blockfolio, so is it their fault for buying a legit prl token from a legal exchange? This is not swapped tokens, or some kinda fake token but real legit prl tokens (keep in mind the new contract not only distributed the originally prl amount, but 27 million tokens was added to the prior max amount, so its not like allocation for those tokens weren't included in the new contract) So they actually still have those opq tokens that were emitted to replace those rejected prl tokens in their possession. I guess the admins are also well within their right to create 27 million tokens with no real allocation for 7 million but refuse to swap legit (emphasis on legit) prl token? Its like the new incoming tesla CEO deciding to null all stocks that was bought post the musk incriminating tweet cos its not a true reflection of the current state of the company, then transferring the value of those stocks to the internal employees. Its really quite aligned to that scenario. We really need to get out of this current mindset, and start holding this guys accountable rather than defaulting to the common that's just the way it is concept. The same guys with rumor that they had planned to dump, currently have 27 million coins at their disposable and didn't even make an effort to disclose the real use for 7 million tokens, and all is docile, least their current investment in opq is further negatively impacted. That set of thinking is one of the main problem in this sphere and till we get of that sheep mentality, a wider adoption of this products will always be undermined. If you put a long term buy order way below current markteprice on a dex without monitoring any news for the coin you are basically just asking for trouble. When you do this, you should at least use notifications from an app like blockfolio to get informed when the price drops sharply and then act accordingly. The team on the other hand has not much interest to grant transfers after kucoin halts trading. The volume was prettty low anyway and most investors were aware of the fact that they wouldn't get the new tokens. I think it makes much more sense to blame Bruno and yourself for your misfortune, not the team ,which tried to make the best of a pretty miserable situation. So, a crypto investor is not afforded a life, fuck a vacation, family/work emergencies. Shit even fuck living without your phone constantly by your side. How dare you go hiking for a few days without data service when you should be glued to your device constantly monitoring for new info. How much sense will this make, if you didn't own a couple of opq that you blindly trying to protect. I will repeat it again, this are legit prl token (emphasis on legit) prl token purchased on a legit exchange and i will repeat it again that they actually still have those opq tokens that were emitted to replace those rejected prl tokens in their possession. Also there is 27 million new tokens with no real disclosure for the use of 7 million tokens but somehow am at fault cos you own a couple of opq that you scared might be negatively impacted SMFH I will repeat that its this set of thinking where the dev is held above mistake/con is one of the main problem in this ecosystem. Most are willing to be docile/ accept unacceptable behaviors/clear sham least their investment is negatively impacted. And till we get out of that sheep mentality, a wider adoption of this products will always be undermined. Imagine telling some 60-70yr old investor with a business, family and real life situations that he should be constantly monitoring his phone for news WTF!!!! If you really care for a wider adoption of this projects rather than the constant negative label from baby boomers and cautious institutional investors then BS like this needs to be addressed by the mass and curtailed. Feigning ignorance to protect your little investment is not doing us any favor in the long run. Again, I will repeat that they still have those opq tokens that were emitted to replace those rejected prl tokens in their possession and they have 27 millions extra tokens with no real allocation for 7 million tokens. Bruno only dumped 3 millions |
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"took a shortcut by co-tailing a successful product "
we troll a scam project. whats wrong with that?
"Well, how about you switch your name sooner than later"
no longer in my hands. It's a community project. Join the community to help on the rebrand.
Lol how about you go troll bitconnect which is a proven scam and let see how many hash you get rather than dick riding one of the most successful project this year. You can keep telling yourself whatever you need to make yourself better but the reality of the situation is quite easy to deduce. Also, isn't it convenient that you use the community project bs quip to keep riding that dick for as long as possible. Yet to see anyone that gladly interjects the name of a proven scam into their project cos they will always be associated with that scam. Imagine trying to hawk freebitconnect in this climate lol. Your excuses are so weak/funny, it almost seem like its coming from a child;D Like i have mentioned, you guys need to stop acting like a jealous concubine and accept your place as a knockoff in the ecosystem. Take care |
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