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1601  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Do you have an idea to invest your bitcoin in offline business? on: February 22, 2017, 01:23:14 PM
Convert bitcoin into fiat money. That's my idea. However your convertion is to fund offline business. Or get croudfunding from bitcoin commnunity to do offline business. By converting into fiat money, offline business which is stable can attract investment instead of deposit into HYIP.
Ill make the same move too on which those bitcoin would be converted to fiat to invest it on offline business since bitcoin isnt popular in my place and its nonsense on building or accepting bitcoin if the people live on your place doesnt even recognize it.

This is the only recourse anyone can do if you plan to invest your bitcoins in offline businesses, unless whatever you need to buy for the business accepts bitcoins then you can proceed using bitcoins. But generally, it's impossible to invest your bitcoins directly to offline businesses.
1602  Economy / Speculation / Re: ladies and gentlemen we are above $1100 now! on: February 22, 2017, 08:43:31 AM
It's great to see the prices are this high, and I really hope it continues to grow as this is great news for everybody using bitcoins. I really think that it will continue to rise up till $1,500 and we'll see another correction from there. After that probably we will see that new milestone of $2,000.
1603  Economy / Web Wallets / Re: BitGo.com - full control over your Bitcoin? on: February 22, 2017, 07:48:27 AM
I would always advise to not use online wallets whatever their features are. The online wallets have too much control over your account that it's really scary to even leave your money on there. There have been countless times that there is a problem using these accounts. There have been issues the online wallet closing accounts without prior notice and giving out the information of their clients.
1604  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Have you cashed-out bonuses from casinos? on: February 17, 2017, 06:30:48 AM
I have not cashed out for the reason that after I completed the roll over requirement completely, they require me to submit documents about my real identity. If I have remembered it right, the amount I supposedly won was $40 equivalent to BTC and I realize that is not worth with my personal info to be divulge. I just hope, some gambling sites are very transparent with their rules, bonus are very hard to win so don't make it hard for us to cash out.

See that! They even put some more terms for their already ridiculous roll-overs! Someone has to really do something about these casinos bonuses. It's really just tricking people. Would you care share what casino this is? You can actually file a scam accusation over this if this term was not stated in their terms and conditions to get that bonus.
1605  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What is your game and why? on: February 17, 2017, 06:24:43 AM
I started gambling because of sports and also for bitcoin. Bitcoin really help me to start the online gambling, and when i did my first bet in sports betting, than i also didn't believe that i could win, but i won and it was really good for me. So now i have started to do bet and still i am doing sports betting, may be i have interest on sports.   
For most of the gamblers, their first gambling attempt usually become their favorite way of gambling.

I started my gambling life with dice, and till now I am finding it so interesting and honestly I do not find any specific reason for that. Dice gambling just makes me engaged and helps me to kill the boredom which is obviously what I am looking from gambling. Maybe this is a reason.
Maybe you do it well, gambling is really fun until we make mistakes of putting what we cannot afford to lose, the next sequence will be losing control and chase bets which is the recipe for disaster. We do gambling for our main purpose to enjoy and winning is just part of the bonus, never interchange that if you do not want your life to be ruin by that immature move.
That's correct because i have experienced that a lot, making mistakes of being greedy and continually betting even though my gut is telling me to stop. It's hard to not get back up from your losses. What I've learned is always limit your bet and time for a week. I noticed that in the first to three days, i win, then coming the fourth and fifth day, i lost. That depends.

Hindsight is such a cruel thing, I suppose. We can't know for sure if we made a mistake in gambling until we made it already. We can't really predict whether we will win or not, so it is really tempting to just gamble and try your luck even if you have won something already. A limit is a good idea for any gambler, that will minimize that chances of losing all your money.
1606  Other / Archival / Re: BitFortune.io – brand new bitcoin casino | Anonymous | Secure | Fresh on: February 17, 2017, 06:19:36 AM
Great to see new gambling sites popping out. Upon checking you website, though, I felt it was a mobile site and not really for the PC. Was that your original intention? Though I like how simple it looks and seems interesting to see games from famous casinos game makers in your own casino. I'll try it out later. How many confirmations do I need before I see my deposit in the casino?
1607  Economy / Micro Earnings / Re: Bitscasino.net Free Gambling DICE provably fair! on: February 17, 2017, 06:11:21 AM
Can you stop masking your faucet site as a dice site. This is not even near a dice site. The ads are so annoying and the dice is not even a full-fledged dice game. It's just an optional thing on the site. So much redirects too then you have to re-captcha every dice game. What a joke of a dice site you call this.
1608  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Have you cashed-out bonuses from casinos? on: February 17, 2017, 05:58:52 AM
I haven't. I once come near to cashing it out with the 40x wagering requirement but at the end I ended up loosing half of the money I deposited and withdraw half of it. Promotions like that in casinos are only there to attract. I don't know if it is even possible.
it is really possible as long as you did it in not legit way Cheesy for example , do it repeatedly with a lot of attempt. someone here have shared his story cleared the 40x or 38x rollover (i don't remember exactly) in betcoin.tm unfortunately they are deny to proccess the withdrawal.

because of the reason exploiting/break the rules, for me a rollover bonus like that are hard to cleared, never make it happen too.

In short, you are saying that the casino did not pay out because they said the person who cleared the roll-over requirement was cheating? Well, I think they are the ones cheating by not paying up. The roll-over requirement is ridiculous already and they are assholes for not giving what they promised the players. I hope if it was legit, the guy who wasn't paid filed a scam accusation to let other gamblers know.
1609  Economy / Gambling / Re: Bet With BTC on the Stock Market on: February 17, 2017, 05:49:05 AM
it seems only 1broker.com sites that actually run their business properly, but to play the stock market better choose a site that has been running for a long time and has been reliable and if im not wrong some broker site has been accept bitcoin as option payment. butbuif if you like bet on stock market, you can try bet on fortunejack, at there you bet on binary option, its more easy to use than you use meta trader.

I think he wants to bet whether a stock will go up or down. Like binary trading in fortune jack. Though what he wants to bet on is not gold, USD, EURO, etc. but he wants to bet on the stock itself like Apple, Microsoft, etc. I don't think there are a lot of gambling sites or casinos that offer this right now. The problem I see here is that stocks has actually a tendency to go up or down depending on the performance of the company. If a casino will make one, then they have to create a software that would put odds on the bets.
1610  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can you beat the house edge on: February 17, 2017, 05:16:23 AM
It's called an edge because you can't predictably beat it. In fact it is logically predictable that the house is the likely winner of any bet. If you want to get rich in gambling you buy a casino, not put your money up for a likely loss.
Do you think everybody is rich enough to buy a casino ? lol Moreover,there wouldn't be any profits if everyone went around buying casinos.No,you cannot predict if the house is likely the winner of any bet.Provable betting system exists for a reason.

Yeah right, Hacking the system of a gambling site is the only way you could beat the house edge, but it would be not that easy if you don't anything about hacking, it requires more on coding so it is going to take a lot of time because first, you need to study how the system is functioning and how are you going to break to its system.
90% of the time it's impossible.The bet are verified and carried out on the server side so your cross scripting stuff barely makes any difference if you don't have an access to the actual server.Most of the hacks are due to internal leakage of the information rather than a third part attacker.

Maybe he's just illustrating that if someone wants to earn from gambling, instead of gambling against the casino, just make one. Because statistically, the casinos will win against every gambler gambling on the casinos.

Hacking is not an option. The casinos were built to prevent any such thing to happen. Another issue is that most of the money they have are in cold storage. They only have a small fund in their hot wallets to prevent getting hacked along with all theri money.
1611  Economy / Gambling / Re: Looking for Equity Investors For A Re-Opening Advanced CSGO GAMBLING SITE on: February 17, 2017, 05:05:48 AM
Maybe it would be better if you would create an ann or some coin or some kind of investor shares to your website. It would be hard to find a single person to invest a huge chunk of money to your website. Then, another thing is that there is a problem with trust here. People would be skeptical to blindly invest in your venture.

Well, yes, I will of course take in more than one investor dependent on how much equity they wish to have for what $ amount. There is in fact a huge trust issue here, Trying to find a way around that, but it is quite difficult. The least I could do is show them all the proof, demo site, twitter, old website, and any progress I already have. But I insinuate if they are willing to invest, then they are committing to a possible win or loss, although this site will 100% pay off. I have been a part of several other sites online and business's with much success and I will gladly share what those were and what profit was made from it if anyone is curious.

Thank you for your comment.

It would be great if everything would show up as legit as possible, but looking back at what happened in the past with other investments like alt coins, it may look legit from the start till the end of the ICO but it all ends up a scam. Maybe you should look into getting the opinion of some people here on the forum who has experience with operating a legit gambling site.

Totally understandable, I think in this case, the ideal investor would need a proper understanding of how a gambling website can profit and run. Then after they review the current setup I have, they will make their decision as to if they'd like to join in or not.

Another thing you can do is launch the website already and just set the max winnings possible to whatever your funds are. For example, you have one bitcoin and the max winning would just be 10% of your 1 bitcoin. Which means they can only bet with a winning of just 0.1BTC. Then create an investment platform. Copy what other gambling sites did with invest in the house kind of feature.
1612  Economy / Gambling / Re: Looking for Equity Investors For A Re-Opening Advanced CSGO GAMBLING SITE on: February 17, 2017, 04:55:55 AM
Maybe it would be better if you would create an ann or some coin or some kind of investor shares to your website. It would be hard to find a single person to invest a huge chunk of money to your website. Then, another thing is that there is a problem with trust here. People would be skeptical to blindly invest in your venture.

Well, yes, I will of course take in more than one investor dependent on how much equity they wish to have for what $ amount. There is in fact a huge trust issue here, Trying to find a way around that, but it is quite difficult. The least I could do is show them all the proof, demo site, twitter, old website, and any progress I already have. But I insinuate if they are willing to invest, then they are committing to a possible win or loss, although this site will 100% pay off. I have been a part of several other sites online and business's with much success and I will gladly share what those were and what profit was made from it if anyone is curious.

Thank you for your comment.

It would be great if everything would show up as legit as possible, but looking back at what happened in the past with other investments like alt coins, it may look legit from the start till the end of the ICO but it all ends up a scam. Maybe you should look into getting the opinion of some people here on the forum who has experience with operating a legit gambling site.
1613  Economy / Gambling / Re: Looking for Equity Investors For A Re-Opening Advanced CSGO GAMBLING SITE on: February 17, 2017, 04:33:19 AM
Maybe it would be better if you would create an ann or some coin or some kind of investor shares to your website. It would be hard to find a single person to invest a huge chunk of money to your website. Then, another thing is that there is a problem with trust here. People would be skeptical to blindly invest in your venture.
1614  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: WWE betting sites help? on: February 17, 2017, 04:21:50 AM
Even if it is fake, the results are really unknown to the viewers. The problem is that there are plenty of people that would know the outcome of the game and that would tremendously affect how things work in gambling. In gambling, 99% of the time, no one knows the outcome of the game. That is why we are gambling. So, I think it is stupid to bet on WWE.

And if it using using bitcoin will make them(who know the result) easier to make a bet, because they make a bet with pseudonym only(nickname+address), then use mixing so that difficult to tracked.

Why would you even need a pseudonym and mixing? This isn't illegal, it's just that there is really no point making a gambling site or odds specifically catered to WWE matches. Becasuse it is rigged! All WWE matches are all scripted and the outcome is know by people behind the scenes and, like others said, even the viewers have some knowledge of this too.


Yes, besides, WWE is not a official sports, it is just source of entertainment so no sportsbook will be invest their time on giving some for a show that are well known scripted. It is easily to be hack or abused so i'm suggesting to OP to never mind on finding a sportsbook that will cater WWE. I'm a little bit curious to OP, why are you very interested on betting on wrestling while there are so many legit sports out there. Do you have a connection on WWE management or some sort of? hahaha. just kidding.  Grin

Too true! It's not even a real sport! LOL. They hit each other with steel chairs and they don't even bleed! In UFC and other mix martial arts they even bleed from a punch! He might not be connected to WWE, but he might be a super fan! Or maybe he's John Cena! LOL. Well, regarding this betting, there is really no chance to make it happen.
1615  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Have you cashed-out bonuses from casinos? on: February 17, 2017, 12:51:21 AM
I hope you find your answer here too, bro. Also, please join the poll so we can really get a good number of people to join in and see a great poll.

From my experience, I get those bonuses where the bonus is added to my bankroll immediately however it can't be cashed out until I reach the roll over. The problem is, before I even get near the roll-over requirement I lost the whole amount just trying to bet that requirement.
1616  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: WWE betting sites help? on: February 17, 2017, 12:26:15 AM
Even if it is fake, the results are really unknown to the viewers. The problem is that there are plenty of people that would know the outcome of the game and that would tremendously affect how things work in gambling. In gambling, 99% of the time, no one knows the outcome of the game. That is why we are gambling. So, I think it is stupid to bet on WWE.

And if it using using bitcoin will make them(who know the result) easier to make a bet, because they make a bet with pseudonym only(nickname+address), then use mixing so that difficult to tracked.

Why would you even need a pseudonym and mixing? This isn't illegal, it's just that there is really no point making a gambling site or odds specifically catered to WWE matches. Becasuse it is rigged! All WWE matches are all scripted and the outcome is know by people behind the scenes and, like others said, even the viewers have some knowledge of this too.
1617  Economy / Gambling discussion / Have you cashed-out bonuses from casinos? on: February 17, 2017, 12:14:09 AM
Basically, have you reach the roll over requirement casinos and sportsbooks require to cash-out your bonuses?

So far, I haven't. Since, I think the roll-over requirement is really stupid and requires you a minimum of 40-100 roll-over of your initial deposit or the amount of bonus you are entitled to before you can cash out. Meaning, from a bonus of 10 mBTC, you have to gamble around 1 Bitcoin (a whole bitcoin!) just to cash-out just 10 mBTC worth of bonus.

Can you guys tell me, if anyone has done this?

Have you cashed-out bonuses from casinos?
1618  Economy / Gambling / Re: Best Sportsbook Promos on: February 17, 2017, 12:06:02 AM
That is exacty what roll over is! Oh my god. Roll over means that you bet your initial deposit to reach a certain amount, like you said. You have to bet 1 bitcoin to get the bonus of 0.01 bitcoins which means that you have to roll over your 0.01 bitcoin deposit by 100 times too get the bonus! That is roll over, which is stupid because you will lose that initial deposit for sure before you get to bet 1 bitcoins.

I know what rollover is and it's not the traditional one these are wagering requirements like any rollover but You don't get the bonus to bet with. You place bets with your deposit alone.. That is what I meant and was trying to get clear. You don't get 5 BTC + 5 BTC = 10 if you deposit 5, You just get 5..

That is still roll over regardless of it being a tradition one or this kind what cloudbet is offering. Getting to play with the bonus at first or not doesn't matter. You still cant withdraw these bonuses if you can't reach the needed roll over. Which means, you have to play according to the terms and conditions of the casinos to get the bonus, which also again would mean that you will probably lose your initial deposit before you get it. 100 roll over is no joke and actually is stupid.
1619  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: WWE betting sites help? on: February 16, 2017, 03:55:55 PM
Even if it is fake, the results are really unknown to the viewers. The problem is that there are plenty of people that would know the outcome of the game and that would tremendously affect how things work in gambling. In gambling, 99% of the time, no one knows the outcome of the game. That is why we are gambling. So, I think it is stupid to bet on WWE.

So you mean that today the result is hidden until the event? Didn't even visiting their site for years now so I didn't know if it's changed.

For your information and for other sthat didn't know, in the past the result are being announced on their website prior to the telecast schedule. So for example, there is a Wrestle Mania, before the said event will be officially telecast, the result are now posted on the site so you will just watch now how the wrestler involved won on the match.

So for gambling site to have this kind of betting, it should be a week before and deadline will be days prior to the announcing of winners in the site. Well this can only applied if nothing is changed about the thing I mentioned above as I didn't browsing now the WWE website.

I never visited their site ever so I don't know. When I was still watching, I just watch it on tv and never did check any results before watching it. Those announcements would have totally destroyed the fun in watching it. But regardless of the site or any announcement about the outcome, there are so many people that know the results before it happens.
1620  Economy / Gambling / Re: Best Sportsbook Promos on: February 16, 2017, 03:38:43 PM
That is exacty what roll over is! Oh my god. Roll over means that you bet your initial deposit to reach a certain amount, like you said. You have to bet 1 bitcoin to get the bonus of 0.01 bitcoins which means that you have to roll over your 0.01 bitcoin deposit by 100 times too get the bonus! That is roll over, which is stupid because you will lose that initial deposit for sure before you get to bet 1 bitcoins.
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