I own one titan BTC with priv key afixed to the coin. Read some of you guys so understood it was a scam.
Does this also affect non 2FA coin or did the guy just scammed all customers?
Last check ive made 1 year ago show the coin was funded with 1 BTC.
As far as I know there are no know issues (so far!) with private-key coins. I'd also recommend you download an address tracker software, so you can have your public keys checked by just looking in your app. For iOS: https://satpile.com/Android: https://samouraiwallet.com/sentinelTy, really appreciate I saw that BTCcollector19 redeemed a priv key coin loaded with 0.01 BTC not so far ago. Sorry for this question but never heard of address tracking sofware. I guess it work with the coin id number and i don't have any access to it right now (and a least not before a big couple of month) If it were me, I’m redeeming any I own. I know some people don’t like that I’m saying this as it’s devaluing the coins (not necessarily me alone but as a collective of those who recommend doing the same thing). I don’t think any of us trust Tim at this point (why the hell should we), so me personally I’m not trusting that he doesn’t have copies of the private keys. I’m especially encouraging this if you’ve got a higher amount such as 1BTC. Once you peel them, they will still have collector value/premium, plus you ensure you own that bitcoin and not have to hope that the shady creator doesn’t rug pull. Just my two Satoshis. If Tim is as evil as ppl says, then it makes no sense to rob 2FA and not the whole bag. My guess is PK stickers were made by a subcontractor (as the physical coin too). The guy then put the stickers on the coins then sold them. Tim have no access to PK for non 2FA coins!!! Quite confident with that. Anyway, i have the code available on the certificate (7 or 8 digits) but not the public key (and site is down)! Earlier today you were asking if Titan PK coins were affected and seemed to have little knowledge of the whole situation, now you’re confident about knowing how some of his procedures took place..Interesting. Truth is you have no real idea what Tim has access to or not PK wise outside of the 2FA coins. Tim encouraged people to buy 2FA coins, despite it always being a bad idea and not properly executed,un- like Casascius 2FA items which don’t require Mike Caldwell or his website to be redeemed, nor did he store all 2FA keys in a bank vault (like Tim did). Tim has poorly managed his website and locked people out of their btc value on 2FA coins several times over the years. Most recently his sites 2FA redemption tool was down for a couple years, then all of a sudden he moves the coins and comes up with a convoluted doxxing process to redeem them..which was not what he originally promised and promoted. I didn’t say Tim was evil, I said he was shady, which is a fact. Tim has been pulling this nonsense for years..and I’ve posted plenty of proof of this. Have you read his websites TOS before when it was available ? I have, and it’s shady. Why did Tim outsource business to Russia and Russian programmers..I can’t think of any legitimate reasons for doing so but I can think of illicit reasons in doing so. Cheap programmers can be found in nations like India and other countries that you might have legal recourse if your partners screw you in any way..that’s not happening in Russia. Titanbitcoin.com seems to be down atm (I’m on mobile so perhaps it’s accessible via desktop and will try tomorrow), so anyone trying to redeem their coins can’t even visit the website to even try to. Titanbtc.com is up and running, with a link to titanbitcoin.com for “more information”, that doesn’t work..and there’s not a single mention of how to redeem 2FA coins and or the issue with them. So if you weren’t aware of the situation you’re probably trying to contact Tim directly, who won’t respond. He apparently has the bitcoin from the 2FA coins now, but is making it as difficult as possible to redeem ..this all isn’t shady? I beg to differ. Why in the Fuck would you trust anything Tim has created ..he’s given zero reason to do so. I could go on. Ive just asked kindly for a brief summary of the situation. It takes then 20 minutes to discover that only 2FA is impacted not PK coins. I do not need to check further to assess the situation which is obviously quite common : a ripp off. Maybe ive been screwed. Will not be the 1st or last time. I do not really care, i knew before i bought the coin that it was a tricky situation (not your key, not your bitcoin). Anyway, Tim bought silver coins he designed himself from a local mint then contract a company for the stickers. So what? Do you really think he bought all the equipement necessary to mint coin and create PK? Then spent time to learn how to use all those costly machines?
For such small batch of coin sold at low price, his business would not have been profitable and he would probably starved to death before selling even one coin.This is common practice in industry to hire subconstractors for hardware then assemble the parts alltogether and sold the whole at a decent price. That's why i am confident. Many thanks for this thread and all the kind people who replied. (asfar as i know, no such equivalent to bitcointalk in France). Sorry for my wrong wording There’s a French part of BitcoinTalk, check the homepage. I never said Tim minted the coins, or created his holograms ..of course he didn’t. He also didn’t design the coins- proof- https://youtu.be/qV7I-TZIjKc . But he most likely did create the private keys and worked on Assembly ..at least I would sure as shit hope he did, otherwise they are even more risky than they already are as we have no idea who did create the keys.. Tim sold a lot of coins (more so than people realize or he’s ever admitted), and likely had a high end printer /pc setup to facilitate the funding..just like Casascius, kialara, crypto imperator, lealana, satori, btcc, polymerbit, cold keys (scam), bigtimespaghetti, etc etc all did. Key generation and hologram placement is the main thing these makers do , along with many also doing design. No mints print keys and assemble coins..none. MinerJones and OGNasty are two forum members who have created keys for other coin companies like Genesis and Nattymind (or something close to that), for example, but this is always clearly stated and made known to buyers. One common thing between scam coins ..there’s typically no mention of how and who created the keys. Titan I don’t believe has ever stated this information..I could be wrong ..but yet another red flag. Again, I’ve read his TOS…it didn’t leave me feeling confident, and clearly established to try and curtail potential litigation. No offense, but your claims are purely conjecture, and misinformed. |
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I own one titan BTC with priv key afixed to the coin. Read some of you guys so understood it was a scam.
Does this also affect non 2FA coin or did the guy just scammed all customers?
Last check ive made 1 year ago show the coin was funded with 1 BTC.
As far as I know there are no know issues (so far!) with private-key coins. I'd also recommend you download an address tracker software, so you can have your public keys checked by just looking in your app. For iOS: https://satpile.com/Android: https://samouraiwallet.com/sentinelTy, really appreciate I saw that BTCcollector19 redeemed a priv key coin loaded with 0.01 BTC not so far ago. Sorry for this question but never heard of address tracking sofware. I guess it work with the coin id number and i don't have any access to it right now (and a least not before a big couple of month) If it were me, I’m redeeming any I own. I know some people don’t like that I’m saying this as it’s devaluing the coins (not necessarily me alone but as a collective of those who recommend doing the same thing). I don’t think any of us trust Tim at this point (why the hell should we), so me personally I’m not trusting that he doesn’t have copies of the private keys. I’m especially encouraging this if you’ve got a higher amount such as 1BTC. Once you peel them, they will still have collector value/premium, plus you ensure you own that bitcoin and not have to hope that the shady creator doesn’t rug pull. Just my two Satoshis. If Tim is as evil as ppl says, then it makes no sense to rob 2FA and not the whole bag. My guess is PK stickers were made by a subcontractor (as the physical coin too). The guy then put the stickers on the coins then sold them. Tim have no access to PK for non 2FA coins!!! Quite confident with that. Anyway, i have the code available on the certificate (7 or 8 digits) but not the public key (and site is down)! Earlier today you were asking if Titan PK coins were affected and seemed to have little knowledge of the whole situation, now you’re confident about knowing how some of his procedures took place..Interesting. Truth is you have no real idea what Tim has access to or not PK wise outside of the 2FA coins. Tim encouraged people to buy 2FA coins, despite it always being a bad idea and not properly executed,un- like Casascius 2FA items which don’t require Mike Caldwell or his website to be redeemed, nor did he store all 2FA keys in a bank vault (like Tim did). Tim has poorly managed his website and locked people out of their btc value on 2FA coins several times over the years. Most recently his sites 2FA redemption tool was down for a couple years, then all of a sudden he moves the coins and comes up with a convoluted doxxing process to redeem them..which was not what he originally promised and promoted. I didn’t say Tim was evil, I said he was shady, which is a fact. Tim has been pulling this nonsense for years..and I’ve posted plenty of proof of this. Have you read his websites TOS before when it was available ? I have, and it’s shady. Why did Tim outsource business to Russia and Russian programmers..I can’t think of any legitimate reasons for doing so but I can think of illicit reasons in doing so. Cheap programmers can be found in nations like India and other countries that you might have legal recourse if your partners screw you in any way..that’s not happening in Russia. Titanbitcoin.com seems to be down atm (I’m on mobile so perhaps it’s accessible via desktop and will try tomorrow), so anyone trying to redeem their coins can’t even visit the website to even try to. Titanbtc.com is up and running, with a link to titanbitcoin.com for “more information”, that doesn’t work..and there’s not a single mention of how to redeem 2FA coins and or the issue with them. So if you weren’t aware of the situation you’re probably trying to contact Tim directly, who won’t respond. He apparently has the bitcoin from the 2FA coins now, but is making it as difficult as possible to redeem ..this all isn’t shady? I beg to differ. Why in the Fuck would you trust anything Tim has created ..he’s given zero reason to do so. I could go on. |
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I own one titan BTC with priv key afixed to the coin. Read some of you guys so understood it was a scam.
Does this also affect non 2FA coin or did the guy just scammed all customers?
Last check ive made 1 year ago show the coin was funded with 1 BTC.
As far as I know there are no know issues (so far!) with private-key coins. I'd also recommend you download an address tracker software, so you can have your public keys checked by just looking in your app. For iOS: https://satpile.com/Android: https://samouraiwallet.com/sentinelTy, really appreciate I saw that BTCcollector19 redeemed a priv key coin loaded with 0.01 BTC not so far ago. Sorry for this question but never heard of address tracking sofware. I guess it work with the coin id number and i don't have any access to it right now (and a least not before a big couple of month) If it were me, I’m redeeming any I own. I know some people don’t like that I’m saying this as it’s devaluing the coins (not necessarily me alone but as a collective of those who recommend doing the same thing). I don’t think any of us trust Tim at this point (why the hell should we), so me personally I’m not trusting that he doesn’t have copies of the private keys. I’m especially encouraging this if you’ve got a higher amount such as 1BTC. Once you peel them, they will still have collector value/premium, plus you ensure you own that bitcoin and not have to hope that the shady creator doesn’t rug pull. Just my two Satoshis. |
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@BBC as wheelz stated the problem is there’s just not that much available out there to try and go get, and there’s definitely no one as close to as good as Rodgers available, even at 40.
David Montgomery signed by the Detroit Lions late last night. As a Bears fan, Im actually really happy about this. I think he’s criminally overrated. There’s a lot of solid RBs available right now and apparently the Bears are considering trading for Ekeler. He’d be a great upgrade but not sure if his contract would be reasonable.
The rpa action between fields and Ekler would be deadly. I'm not big on large contracts for rbs but this one would make sense for the Bears. Short passes and the run game for the Bears would be elite between those 2. Good veteran presence in the locker room too. Wonder what chargers would want back in a trade. At this point I think there’s too many solid running backs on the free-agent market that you’ll be able to sign for much less than what you’d have to give up to the Chargers, plus what you’d have to spend signing him after trading for him, as you’re of course not going to spend capital to get him for him to only walk away 1-2 years later (not sure exactly what his current contract looks like). Derrick Henry might also be available, and despite what most people think, he’s actually got a lot less wear and tear than many assume as he sat behind Murray for a few years so he was eased in to begin his career. Damien Harris is available, would love for the Bears to swoop him up. |
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What’s up buddy. This is really generous of you. Also really enjoyed the press release for your 10 year anniversary. Seems like just yesterday I was emailing you for the first time about the 2015 Silver Editions..crazy how fast time flies! Best of luck with this silent auction, I’m sure it’ll do quite well. Cheers.
Btw -been meaning to run some stuff by you, will text ya in the next few days.
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Just make sure you’re investing what you can afford to lose as well as that you’re not taking money away from your retirement investment portfolio. That should always come first and foremost. Keep in mind bitcoin is inherently NOT an investment, it’s a digital currency that solved double spending and a host of other issues with previous payment systems as well as digital cash.
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Can’t wait for the games to start tomorrow! I have been meaning to install a TV in my office at home but have been lazy so this was good motivation to get me to finally set it up. Rooting for Purdue personally. Their coach Matt Painter was the coach for Southern Illinois University when I went to school there (during our run of 6 straight tournament bids as well as 2 sweet sixteen appearances) so I’ve been rooting for him ever since. One hell of a coach! FINAL REMINDER- if anyone is interested there’s still time to sign up to be in our Yahoo pool- info here - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5444636.msg61901734#msg61901734 |
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You two have said your peace, now please let’s move on. If you want to continue to discuss your issues with each other, please do so privately via DM. More and more victims of Titan mint continue to find this thread and its important that we keep everything completely on topic. You guys have gone through all this multiple times now..please guys.
@everyone.. I think a good course of action at this point is to draw up a summary of what happened, and where everything currently stands. I will add this to the OP so that when new people come in, they can easily find out what’s going on without having to go through 20+ pages. If anyone is willing to assist with this, that of course would be very helpful!
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The most popular mistake that newbies make with online casinos is avoiding the rules and regulations, not all online casinos will put up a warning sign on their first page and say 👇
"New users are welcome, please read our rules and regulation before making your first deposits"
You have to look for the website FAQ and go through it first, I have seen some newbies that avoid doing this has they ended up shooting themselves in the foot.
Some even start spreading FUD on the forum about these gambling platforms that did them wrong, not knowing that they are the ones at fault, they are guilty because they don't read the rules and regulations.
Yeah I’ve noticed a good bit of this going on as well. Of course reading the FAQs is an important rule for anyone joining an online casino, but do some basic google searching as well. Check and see how the reputation of the Casino is. If there’s issues and nonsense for newbies to have to deal with, then you’ll most likely see that all over google on forums and what not talking about it. Problem is people are lazy and rarely take the time to do things like this. |
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@BBC as wheelz stated the problem is there’s just not that much available out there to try and go get, and there’s definitely no one as close to as good as Rodgers available, even at 40.
David Montgomery signed by the Detroit Lions late last night. As a Bears fan, Im actually really happy about this. I think he’s criminally overrated. There’s a lot of solid RBs available right now and apparently the Bears are considering trading for Ekeler. He’d be a great upgrade but not sure if his contract would be reasonable.
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Hey everyone...I just joined as I tried checking the Titanbtc.com website this morning and noticed it was down for the first time since I bought my Titans...found this thread while googling around and my heart sank. So it looks like I'm another victim of this cluster... What is the latest? Is there anything anyone can do? I saw a link to FBI and another one to https://www.fincen.gov/contact - is there anything else we can do to try and figure out this mess? Has anyone begun the process for a class action lawsuit? I have yet to peel the holo off my coins...is that something I should be doing? Thnx to anyone who responds! I would recommend reading the last few pages of this thread.. I mean if I were you I’d probably read through the whole thread (skip through the drama posts), but the last few pages are what’s most important to know right now. One of the main reasons I created this thread was to warn others outside of BitcoinTalk whom I figured would be eventually searching for information via google once they found out that they were unable to redeem their coins. I’m glad you were able to find it..was it easy to find or did it take some time? I was thinking of rewording the thread title to try and make it easier to find. |
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I'm curious what country you live in? Here in the United States it was a mess like everywhere else. I was scared of loosing my job and of course the economy took a major hit and continues to do so. I actually just picked up my mother from the hospital who has Covid and she feels absolutely awful. Praying to god that I didn't catch it from here..I stayed as far away as possible..but we shall see how hard or easy it is to catch as I wore a mask, washed my hands and used hand sanitizer.
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Ehh I mean it just depends on how you look at it. Bitcoin technically would only be a "bank" if it was simply an asset, or means of currency that a bank used. At that point, that means that a company of workers is behind the bank, and they will certainly charge fees, be able to freeze accounts etc.
Now I know this is not what he means, but that's what banking is. Banking is lending, accounts etc..and that's not what bitcoin is..it's simply a digital currency/asset.
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I guess there might be a such thing as "street gambling" here in the United States, but it's certainly not a known thing. In fact public transportation like buses and subway systems specifically state "no gambling" on the rules and these are always posted on the side of the bus or train or whatever, all over the place. They certainly do this because yes it is dangerous and certainly something I'd avoid at all costs. Too many ways to gamble now that don't involve all that risk.
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@ChiBitCTy. Aaron Rodgers will not go to the Las Vegas Raiders? I always speculated that Las Vegas would be his next team after the Raiders traded for Davante Adams. They might need that type of partnership to bring them to the post season. Also, it appears Lamar trade to the 49ers speculation is growing. This does not imply that it will be an effortless negotiation, however. Then you have Lamar Jackson. The Baltimore Ravens placed the non-exclusive franchise tag on the former NFL MVP, giving them the right to match any offer from an interested team.
Kawakami believes the 49ers are (or were) intrigued by the possibility. At the very least, they probably haven't dismissed the idea, and the writer doesn't believe they should.
"I checked around myself on Wednesday and was told that the 49ers are looking at everything, as always," Kawakami wrote.
He notes that the 49ers were not included in a list of organizations seemingly ruled out of a potential Jackson sweepstakes—teams like the Carolina Panthers, Atlanta Falcons, Washington Commanders, and Miami Dolphins.Source https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/167559-kawakami-lamar-jackson-49ers-would-nfl-defensive-coordinators/Honestly I'm not a huge fan of Lamar Jackson. I don't think he has the depth of skill to handle Shanahan's system. He can have two, maybe three reads tops and then he's off running. QBs of Jackson's style (historically speaking) aren't durable enough to last a whole season, and the speed of one's legs don't often compensate for the lack of ability to read defenses and progressions. I'm entitled to my opinion. As for trading for a veteran; I wouldn't doubt if Shanahan feels Trey Lance burning a hole in his pocket. If it were me I wouldn't go for Jackson or Rodgers at this point, I might still want to see what other options come about or simply wait to see if Lance fulfils his draft-day promises. The Raiders signed Jimmy Garapollo earlier today, so they will definitely not be going after Aaron Rodgers now. The Jets still make too much sense for Rodgers. They’ve got a much better team than the Packers, so he’s improving his situation sizably in my opinion, not sure what the hold up is at this point. I still expect this deal to get done.
I can’t see Lamar going to the Niners. They’ve already got two QBs on the roster they’ve either invested a lot in or have seen a lot from..doesn’t make sense to me.
I figured that Jimmy G would end up in Vegas, it just makes sense for both him and McDaniels given their history together, and Garoppolo's experience within McDaniels' system. Despite his fragility, I think that Garoppolo will be a significant upgrade over Derek Carr. Yeah Jimmy G made sense for the Raiders, but I'd still have tried my hardest to get Rodgers, who's 10x better. Jimmy G is a very solid game manger, but he's just that..a game manger. He's never going to be the reason you win a Championship...Rodgers would/could be. Just my 2. @ChiBitCTy. Aaron Rodgers will not go to the Las Vegas Raiders? I always speculated that Las Vegas would be his next team after the Raiders traded for Davante Adams. They might need that type of partnership to bring them to the post season. Also, it appears Lamar trade to the 49ers speculation is growing. This does not imply that it will be an effortless negotiation, however. Then you have Lamar Jackson. The Baltimore Ravens placed the non-exclusive franchise tag on the former NFL MVP, giving them the right to match any offer from an interested team.
Kawakami believes the 49ers are (or were) intrigued by the possibility. At the very least, they probably haven't dismissed the idea, and the writer doesn't believe they should.
"I checked around myself on Wednesday and was told that the 49ers are looking at everything, as always," Kawakami wrote.
He notes that the 49ers were not included in a list of organizations seemingly ruled out of a potential Jackson sweepstakes—teams like the Carolina Panthers, Atlanta Falcons, Washington Commanders, and Miami Dolphins.Source https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/167559-kawakami-lamar-jackson-49ers-would-nfl-defensive-coordinators/The Raiders signed Jimmy Garapollo earlier today, so they will definitely not be going after Aaron Rodgers now. The Jets still make too much sense for Rodgers. They’ve got a much better team than the Packers, so he’s improving his situation sizably in my opinion, not sure what the hold up is at this point. I still expect this deal to get done. I can’t see Lamar going to the Niners. They’ve already got two QBs on the roster they’ve either invested a lot in or have seen a lot from..doesn’t make sense to me. Welp the jets just landed lazard and Rodgers publicly said if he goes to the jets he wants them to pick up lazard so I'd say that's a done deal. My giants scooped up Darren waller for a 3rd round pick. Just hope the dude can stay on the field. If so that would be a huge plus in their passing game but that's a huge if. Love how football season just keeps going. Up next month draft mania lol. I saw that with the Giants, congrats, that's a huge pickup. I can't believe the Raiders let him go. What a bunch of fools. They have ZERO change at winning shit now IMO..they needed both Waller and Adams to catch balls. Now they can double up on Adams easier. Yeah it's only a matter of time before Rodgers signs with the Jets. I think he's on Pat McAfee show tomorrow and I can see him wanting to wait to announce it there, or announce that's the plan but the Packers are holding things up on their end. Either way I think it would be hilarious if he makes the Jets go get all his guys and what not then decides against playing lol. Regardless happy to FINALLY not have a super star HOF QB on the Packers kicking my Bears asses year after year. |
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@ChiBitCTy. Aaron Rodgers will not go to the Las Vegas Raiders? I always speculated that Las Vegas would be his next team after the Raiders traded for Davante Adams. They might need that type of partnership to bring them to the post season. Also, it appears Lamar trade to the 49ers speculation is growing. This does not imply that it will be an effortless negotiation, however. Then you have Lamar Jackson. The Baltimore Ravens placed the non-exclusive franchise tag on the former NFL MVP, giving them the right to match any offer from an interested team.
Kawakami believes the 49ers are (or were) intrigued by the possibility. At the very least, they probably haven't dismissed the idea, and the writer doesn't believe they should.
"I checked around myself on Wednesday and was told that the 49ers are looking at everything, as always," Kawakami wrote.
He notes that the 49ers were not included in a list of organizations seemingly ruled out of a potential Jackson sweepstakes—teams like the Carolina Panthers, Atlanta Falcons, Washington Commanders, and Miami Dolphins.Source https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/167559-kawakami-lamar-jackson-49ers-would-nfl-defensive-coordinators/The Raiders signed Jimmy Garapollo earlier today, so they will definitely not be going after Aaron Rodgers now. The Jets still make too much sense for Rodgers. They’ve got a much better team than the Packers, so he’s improving his situation sizably in my opinion, not sure what the hold up is at this point. I still expect this deal to get done. I can’t see Lamar going to the Niners. They’ve already got two QBs on the roster they’ve either invested a lot in or have seen a lot from..doesn’t make sense to me. |
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Sadly as the wealthiest nation in the world our healthcare coverage is ranked somewhere in the teens I believe (by world health organizations) when it comes to best coverage. We arguably have the best hospitals and hospital technology, but when it comes to coverage, it's a corrupt system that only seems to be getting worse.
To put thing in perspective I've worked for Fortune 500 and even Fortune 100 companies in my last 3 positions over the past decade or so. My healthcare coverage, at these massively wealthy financial institutions, has progressively gotten more expensive and worse as time has gone on. It infuriates me. So yes this is why so many go over seas for procedures. Also keep in mind "elective" procedures often get little to no help from insurance coverage, as it's not considered necessary to maintain ones health.
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I think the main thing when it comes to lack of bitcoin knowledge or understanding is the same thing as all investments, or financial tools..lack of putting forth effort to learn. People struggle to understand bitcoin in large part because they simply don't try and teach themselves!! As a financial advisor I can say this with 100% certainty because it's the sad truth. I talk to client about bitcoin all the time and they don't understand it because they haven't put forth almost any effort to learn how it works. It's sad really.
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I still think that it made no sense at all and to react like that to a joke is beyond bonkers. In the context of an open relationship it made sense, his first reaction was to laugh it off but the joke was not anything close to polite, it was a real low blow. Personally I see no problem with his extreme objection but a slap officially counts as violence which means it wasn't really anything that could have been planned or will be repeated this year in any way but yea it was nothing that made sense at the time so I first thought it was a joke of some kind. No side bet for extreme repeat exists that Ive seen sadly :p I'm not a psychologist, but in my opinion the reaction (something unacceptable) will smith is the reaction of a person who is suffering a lot inside but wants to ignore the problem, in this case I think the guy has many depcoes that the woman brings him but because he wanted to live off appearances he didn't face the problem and since chris rock made a joke about his wife, at that time he behaved like a protector of the woman thinking that with that he would keep up appearances, but he didn't think about the consequences that this would bring now what I think about the reaction after that is that it was a very exaggerated reaction, they shouldn't have punished him like that, I say that because we can all see that American society does not have good moral values, they are not a good example for anyone, Is something obvious that, all actors have or have had many women, lovers, and most actors have already been involved with drugs and alcohol addiction, so why punish them so severely when they are all the best examples? because they simply didn't give him a fine and told him to apologize and that was it, the subject would be closed, will smith has good films, it wasn't fair to harm the guy in that way, I even think that some saw an opportunity to destroy the guy, because certain things of punishments against him were not normal, they were very unfair and exaggerated lol what? Dude you're completely wrong and misinformed. "I say that because we can all see that American society does not have good moral values, they are not a good example for anyone" This is one of the most ignorant statements I've ever read. You have no idea what you're talking about. If anything being a progressive country shows just the opposite...unlike the insanity that much of east portrays in their outdated ideals. Will Smith was banned from the Oscars for 10 years first off. Secondly, it was up to Chris Rock whether or not he wanted to pursue legal action and he chose not to. Will Smith was wrong, and deserved his punishment. You're all over the place with what you're saying here. |
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