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1621  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Do not be too happy on: January 10, 2021, 04:39:41 PM
The big companies manipulates the value because they have big funds once they sell the coins that they hold fhe result will dump the value and people possible to panic selling and price will dump more and that is the time big companies will invest again and once they rise they will repeat of what they are doing. It is better to have simple investors but a a lot of them needed to success the project..

One thing to keep in mind is that if someone does possess a sizeable amount of wealth and wanted to manipulate the price of an asset, it would still be easier and less costly for them to move the price of an altcoin.  People pump and dump smaller coins all the time.  It's low-hanging fruit.  Smaller coins generally have fewer people holding them.  And the people that do hold them may not have a particularly strong level of confidence in the long-term survival of such coins.  All in all, this makes for weak hands who are likely to sell.  Far easier to manipulate compared to something like Bitcoin.
1622  Economy / Speculation / Re: Price of BTC might go down on: January 10, 2021, 02:02:50 PM
It might, but don't believe everything you read.  Basically, we live in an era of extreme sensationalism.  The people who make the most outlandish claims tend to attract the largest audiences.  Unfortunately, such people generally don't tend to face any repercussions for this.  When people realise there aren't any consequences for over-embellishment, it just emboldens them to make claims that are even more preposterous.  A 50% drop is possible.  I've certainly been around to witness larger plummets than that over the years.  But I wouldn't say it was likely at the moment, given what we're seeing in terms of demand.  And even if it did happen, it certainly wouldn't be the end of the story.
1623  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you trust the co-vid19 vaccine ? on: January 09, 2021, 10:32:21 PM
I honestly can't be bothered to read 20+ pages of this topic to see how many of you are brainwashed antivaxxers, but I'll give my thoughts all the same:

The only concern I have regarding the vaccine is that they can't confirm whether or not it prevents transmission of the virus.  It's easy to imagine it might give the general public a false sense of security and actually increase the rate of infection if people aren't careful.  I suspect once people have had the vaccine, they will go out socialising right away because they won't get sick.  They will then become a carrier for the virus and show no symptoms.  Then they will mix with unvaccinated people in their bubble and infect them.

If you care about your loved ones, continue socially distancing until everyone you know is vaccinated.

1624  Other / Serious discussion / Re: Vaccinations for the gullible start today in the UK on: January 09, 2021, 10:16:20 PM
The first Covid infection vaccinations start today in the UK, and they are starting with the gullible.

I'd taken you for one of the more sensible people on the forum.  I'm disappointed to hear this.  "Gullible" people are those who are easily mislead.  Personally, I'm of the mindset that anyone who doubts science and would rather believe what antivax imbeciles are spouting are the gullible ones. 

Just try not to be too great a burden on public services when you get sick, please.
1625  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Do not be too happy on: January 09, 2021, 04:52:44 PM
Focus on your own wealth.  Otherwise it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.  If everyone became paranoid about the supposed influence of whales and didn't get involved in Bitcoin, it really would hand full control to the whales.

In fact, one might suspect that's the gambit of peddling such a narrative...
1626  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: For old users: check you abandoned wallets/exchange/other service accounts on: January 07, 2021, 07:10:30 PM
I know I've got a friend with some funds still stranded on Poloniex.  Their stupid automated KYC thing kept saying the picture of their photo ID wasn't clear enough.  I'll have to remind them to try again now that the value of their holdings has significantly increased.  I was lucky in that my account was older and for some reason wasn't subject to the same conditions.  I got mine out ages ago.  Never touching that site again, though.

I'll check to see if I've still got some alts on any other exchanges.  It's likely just some Byteball/Obyte, though.  I'm 99% sure everything else I had on exchanges got dumped for BTC and withdrawn over a year ago.
1627  Economy / Economics / Re: Premium of USDT has been maintained in current bull run on: January 06, 2021, 10:30:37 PM
Whether it maintains its peg isn't all that significant for me.  It couldn't maintain its integrity, which is the more crucial factor.  A company made an arrangement that their token would be remain 100% fully backed by US dollars held in reserve.  Then it reneged on that arrangement because it suited them.  They can change the deal in any way they like.  Tether could print another billion tokens from nothing and announce it's now backed by polystyrene packaging beads, or even grains of rice if they wanted to.  No one can stop them and there's absolutely nothing users can do, aside from dumping it.  So it's utterly worthless.

Stop being victims-in-waiting and recognise it for what it is.
1628  Economy / Economics / Re: IF USDT would collapse what do you think will happen to the BTC price? on: January 06, 2021, 08:25:11 AM
Well... here is the problem. If they use their reserve funds to purchase BTC, then how they can claim that USDT is fully backed up with USD?

They aren't claiming that anymore.  They haven't been for some time now.  I thought people knew that?
1629  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Lightning doesn´t solve the scaling problem on: January 05, 2021, 04:36:11 PM
I think I'm done with this topic.  We've got Apollo with one forkcoin, hv_ with another and aliashraf discussing his plans to launch a third with a minuscule fraction of the hashrate because he doesn't understand the meaning of the word "consequence".  He thinks that a network with individuals mining from home could match the hashpower of farms full of specialist hardware or people pooling their resources.  Let me know when any of you hopeless fools are ready to discuss Bitcoin.
1630  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Lightning doesn´t solve the scaling problem on: January 04, 2021, 01:36:50 PM
Isn't it all about the current situation with pools and the infamous centralized mining scene of bitcoin that boosts this (legitimate) concern about putting miners in charge?
Sure it is.
Suppose, in a hypothetical parallel world we have bitcoin being directly mined by tens of thousands of people with a flat pyramid of distribution of power, now imagine that we have a mysterious solution for increasing the throughput without disrupting such a mining scene (i.e. not sharpening the pyramid), now would there be any concern about whether miners are in charge or not? Sure not.

So, a true solution for the scaling problem in bitcoin is/should-be a decentralization of mining solution at the same time and vice versa.

Yes, we're familiar with your elaborate and well-devised solution of closing the gate after the horse has bolted.  You've mentioned it enough times already.  I assume the reason you keep bringing it up is due to the part where you're still no closer to making it happen?  How long do you envision it will take before you actually manage to get the ball rolling on this distant pipe dream?

This is not a recent occurrence.  It didn't suddenly sneak up on us over the last couple of weeks.  The reliance on full non-mining nodes to offset mining centralisation happened years ago.  This is simply how the network evolved to deal with the circumstances of the introduction of pools, GPU mining, ASICs, etc.  A vast majority of the people involved in Bitcoin today joined long after all this was set in motion.  Whether you're happy with the level of mining centralisation or not, this is the value proposition lots of people have signed up for.  Which would appear to indicate that people are generally satisfied with the "current situation".  To believe you can just step in and course-correct at such a fundamental level (while also assuming that everyone who is currently involved in Bitcoin will trust such an enormous shift in network governance and happily go along with it when no one can make any guarantees about the outcome) is just blind egotism on your part.  

You talk about it as though it's such a simple and minor tweak.  It just sounds delusional.  Not to mention the part where the fact that the network did evolve this way should serve as proof enough that economic pressures dictate equal distribution of mining in PoW doesn't work.  It was a reasonable assumption at the time the whitepaper was written.  But we now know the theory was flawed.  We tried it already.  It failed.  The subsequent adaptation proved more resilient.  Nothing since then, in any coin, has come close to matching the level of resilience Bitcoin has achieved.  Why do you enjoy pretending you know better and that jeopardising it all by reverting back to that flawed assumption about the security model would somehow prove to be resilient if we just slap a fresh coat of paint on it? 

Get real.
1631  Economy / Economics / Re: IF USDT would collapse what do you think will happen to the BTC price? on: January 03, 2021, 10:46:42 PM
But bitfinex already answered why USDT will not be targeted of SEC and its explain here https://cointelegraph.com/news/relax-tether-won-t-be-targeted-by-sec-says-bitfinex-cto/amp .

And you don't think his perspective might be just a tiny bit biased?  Of course the people selling you the dodgy token are going to tell you it's fine.  They're hardly going to turn around and say "yeah, you should avoid buying our product".


1632  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: De-Fi on Bitcoin on: January 03, 2021, 01:55:18 PM
In some ways, DeFi still feels like a solution in search of a problem.  For most people, it doesn't serve a real-world use case yet.  Which is why it's primarily used as a buzzword to peddle scam tokens and fleece the gullible at the moment.  Conceptually, it's a fine idea, but I'm certain there's a long road ahead before people really need this technology.  I wouldn't say it has "failed", just that it hasn't discovered its true purpose yet.
I agree with this, but I also want to add that I used to think the same of ICOs. The idea of crowdfunding a project by giving people an option to buy the tokens of a certain project that are meant to function on this platform is not a bad idea per se. And there've been ICOs promising exciting things like fighting counterfeit clothing, helping bees not to get infected with something by tracing the infected ones on a blockchain, playing mobile games and mining some coins this way and many others. But in the end most projects didn't make it, people lost billions of dollars to scammers, and we have a market full of worthless altcoins. DeFi sounds like the new ICO to me. The idea is not bad, but in reality it ends with big failures and exit scams.

Indeed.  If everyone who was genuinely interested in DeFi were pooling their talent and resources into one unified project, it might have some credibility.  But instead, everyone is out there just trying to exploit the situation for profit and it looks totally squalid and shameful.  I suspect it's going to remain a filth pit until the next bandwagon departs.
1633  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Lightning doesn´t solve the scaling problem on: January 03, 2021, 12:05:30 AM
FYI:
Quote from: BitcoinEdge-Initiative link=https://bitcoinedge.org
In 2017, through our communication with Scaling Bitcoin sponsors and event participants about what problems they are experiencing that Scaling Bitcoin should focus on, we have received one message repeatedly - "Lack of talent".

While I don't doubt that your belief in that nonsense probably helps soothe your own glaring inadequacies and astounding lack of success in this field, the point remains that however talented someone might be, they still can't force a change in Bitcoin that other participants aren't willing to accept.
1634  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Lightning doesn´t solve the scaling problem on: January 02, 2021, 06:42:01 PM
OP,
What you need to know about the situation with the most critical problems in the bitcoin sphere, topics like scaling and centralization and privacy is the fact that we suffer from a conservatist mindset that is only concerned about the security of bitcoin whales. It is an obvious divergence from the original revolutionary spirit that bitcoin was born with. Where there is no spirit, talent is a rare resource.

Bottom line:  Individuals can be as revolutionary as they like, but aren't in a position to force their ideas on others.  The onus is on those with new ideas to make a compelling case and convince a sufficient proportion of those securing the network to implement any new proposals.

Some would say it's only a "problem" for those who want to implement half-baked ideas.
1635  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Lightning doesn´t solve the scaling problem on: January 02, 2021, 06:15:59 PM
BTC's creator talked about increasing the block size limit as the demand for space increases but he never talked about segwit or a L2 solution.

If you're willing to take Mike Hearn's word for it, satoshi did have some ideas around payment channels, which are effectively the progenitor for the Lightning Network:

https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2013-April/002417.html

1636  Economy / Economics / Re: Tether's market cap is huge! (usdt) on: January 02, 2021, 01:08:59 PM
Question is... what are they waiting for?

The matter of jurisdiction raises interesting questions, doesn't it?

On paper, Tether doesn't serve US customers, doesn't issue them USDT, and doesn't transmit money for them since users send it peer-to-peer over blockchains themselves. If they don't do business in the US, what authority does the US government have to shut them down?

The CFTC would argue they have jurisdiction if Tether is being used to manipulate a CFTC-regulated market, such as Bitcoin futures. And that's why they probed Tether starting in late 2017. But the fact that we are now here in 2021 and nothing has come of it......doesn't that suggest they have no case?

Why did they wait for ripple to become that big for years before they decided to shut it down? How many thousands of people were scammed by ripple? Do they want the same thing for tether&bitcoin?

Touche. They do take forever to build up these airtight federal cases. Maybe that's what is happening.

I have a working theory that New York's case against Tether is really all about the discovery process. They want to hand evidence to federal investigators showing, for example, that Tether continued serving US customers long after they claim to have stopped.

My assumption has always been that their preference would be that private companies are not issuing tokens which are tied to the national currency.  Libra/Diem still hasn't been given the all-clear yet and they're doing everything they possibly can to jump through regulatory hoops.

What if they simply want to avoid the likely game of whack-a-mole that would ensue?  Imagine they squash Tether, so users immediately switch to a different stablecoin and the whole sordid affair starts anew.  Maybe they're planning to launch an assault on all stablecoins in one fell swoop?  As the expression goes:

"When your quarry goes to ground, leave no ground to go to."

I'm probably giving them too much credit by suggesting they possess that much foresight, though.   Grin
So yeah, it's probably the discovery thing.
1637  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: DeFi on Bitcoin fails because of Bitcoiners, not because it is useless on: January 02, 2021, 12:56:13 PM
The simple fact is that there just isn't enough incentive for those devs to focus on smart contracting capabilities. Bitcoin dev funding has become concentrated in the hands of a few powerful organizations that pay for the upkeep of Bitcoin core and for developments along lines that are beneficial to them rather than the community. Blockstream's Element sidechain and Liquid federation exemplify this. The ground reality which many here prefer to ignore is that bitcoin community has not been able to develop a smart-contract focussed dev pool.

I think the question is more one of priorities than it is about funding.  Regardless of how centralised or not you feel development has become, I still believe the decisions would be made based on what provides the greater benefit for the network as a whole.  It's possible I'm being naive, but I think more people overall will benefit from things like privacy and scaling enhancements than they would from smart contracts.  Throwing money at smart contracts wouldn't suddenly make them more useful to the average person.
1638  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: De-Fi on Bitcoin on: January 01, 2021, 10:20:50 PM
So it's imho it's closer to "failed experiment", although it's not even known enough to be called like that by such a number so it would matter...

In some ways, DeFi still feels like a solution in search of a problem.  For most people, it doesn't serve a real-world use case yet.  Which is why it's primarily used as a buzzword to peddle scam tokens and fleece the gullible at the moment.  Conceptually, it's a fine idea, but I'm certain there's a long road ahead before people really need this technology.  I wouldn't say it has "failed", just that it hasn't discovered its true purpose yet.
1639  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin liquidity crisis on: December 31, 2020, 06:12:06 PM
I started writing a reply on another topic about this earlier today, but by the time I hit "Post" it was gone.  I'm guessing it got nuked because they didn't link a source. 

Lots of sites seem to be reporting it's a "crisis", but it's difficult to see how strong demand can somehow be interpreted as a bad thing.  It'll be interesting to see what impact it'll have now that Grayscale have temporarily suspended issuance of new placements.  Maybe things will calm down a little.

1640  Economy / Reputation / Re: Very dissresctful Members here on: December 29, 2020, 11:58:08 AM
OP has apparently taken an interest in amateur philosophy now.  Yet somehow thinks philosophy belongs in the economics board.  And they're, astoundingly, still completely oblivious to how people might find them annoying.  Yes, it's a total mystery.   Roll Eyes




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