I guess they aren't going to sell shares on the glbse. Aren't they?
You could form an intermediary on GLBSE to gather money to buy shares indirectly. GBF is going to gather up capital to invest in this venture, I have been in contact with vlad since before this post and he has suggested that all small investors can go through me so they don't have to deal with all the management stuff of having tons of small investors, instead they would have me representing all of those investors in one fund. //DeaDTerra I meant that if they're only targeting big fiat investors, the operation is going to be obviously bad for bitcoin. The investors are going to be mostly interested in fiat, the interest paid in fiat, and the operation will be mostly a pump and dump of big scale. If instead they raise capital also through bitcoin economy, and also pay a percentage of dividends directly in BTC, it may be worthwhile for both economies... They are going to accept investments in BTC but they will have to convert into fiat before the purchase of the shares. The operation will payout in Bitcoins but they are looking into the legal aspects of paying out in BTC, as the laws around this are still not clear. When they know more of the legality of paying in BTC, they will announce more info about shares that pay out the dividend in BTC. //DeaDTerra |
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I guess they aren't going to sell shares on the glbse. Aren't they?
You could form an intermediary on GLBSE to gather money to buy shares indirectly. GBF is going to gather up capital to invest in this venture, I have been in contact with vlad since before this post and he has suggested that all small investors can go through me so they don't have to deal with all the management stuff of having tons of small investors, instead they would have me representing all of those investors in one fund. //DeaDTerra |
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Thanks for the link - don't browse that sub-forum often...
No problems  //DeaDTerra |
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We're working something out, hopefully should be sorted out by tomorrow.
Thank you very much Nefario, I am happy to see that both of you have managed to work things out //DeaDTerra |
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yay! I got 0.015 BTC thanks  //DeaDTerra |
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The guy has taken thousands of BTC of investors money, there were recent attempts to break into his account, he is the largest asset issuer on GLBSE. Is it so unreasonable to ask for proof of ID? No. It's also not reasonable to threaten to close all the assets (after fairly quickly freezing them) when Goat's already said he's not liable for you creating terms of service out of thin air, then denying service for not complying with those made-up terms. You'd effectively ensure his assets "default." Already, prices of his assets have been plummeting over this, which personally affects me. This is a silly argument and the stakes are too high. What's more ridiculous is that Goat's already provided gov't ID to investors (honestly, I'm surprised nobody's just submitted them to Nefario behind Goat's back, yet). Neither Goat's nor Nefario's arguments are reasonable given the stakes, and the whole thing's meaningless. Both Nefario and Goat are set in their ways, and the lines have been drawn. Nobody's going to change -- you've both dug in. Either GLBSE or Goat-related assets will lose credibility, and most likely, both will, quite significantly. In either case, they both negatively affect each other, which negatively affects me -- this's gone on long enough. Goat: Please just upload your gov't ID. IIRC, you do not need to provide anything beyond that. You've provided it to others without this drama. Granted, they didn't freeze your accounts anywhere and create a lot of FUD through that action, but it's detrimental to allow it to continue. I swear to the King of All Fuck I will stop investing in your projects if you don't submit ID to Nefario within a timely manner. Nefario: Please don't allow these situations to happen in the future. State in the terms you demand ID prior to asset creation, and demand it from all current asset-creators, not just when the asset's become large in your mind and you suddenly have a whim to collect ID on the asset-creator. I swear to the King of All Fuck I will stop investing in assets listed on your site if you don't unfreeze Goat's assets within a timely manner. Hard to argue with, I won't close the account or assets. You have done what you can to ensure that the shareholders are safe and the Goat is the person he claims to be. Now it's the shareholders fault if it turns out he's a scammer or is someone else then he claims to be xD But hopefully things will go back to the way they were a couple of days ago without all of this drama  //DeaDTerra |
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The guy has taken thousands of BTC of investors money, there were recent attempts to break into his account, he is the largest asset issuer on GLBSE. Is it so unreasonable to ask for proof of ID? No. It's also not reasonable to threaten to close all the assets (after fairly quickly freezing them) when Goat's already said he's not liable for you creating terms of service out of thin air, then denying service for not complying with those made-up terms. You'd effectively ensure his assets "default." Already, prices of his assets have been plummeting over this, which personally affects me. This is a silly argument and the stakes are too high. What's more ridiculous is that Goat's already provided gov't ID to investors (honestly, I'm surprised nobody's just submitted them to Nefario behind Goat's back, yet). Neither Goat's nor Nefario's arguments are reasonable given the stakes, and the whole thing's meaningless. Both Nefario and Goat are set in their ways, and the lines have been drawn. Nobody's going to change -- you've both dug in. Either GLBSE or Goat-related assets will lose credibility, and most likely, both will, quite significantly. In either case, they both negatively affect each other, which negatively affects me -- this's gone on long enough. Goat: Please just upload your gov't ID. IIRC, you do not need to provide anything beyond that. You've provided it to others without this drama. Granted, they didn't freeze your accounts anywhere and create a lot of FUD through that action, but it's detrimental to allow it to continue. I swear to the King of All Fuck I will stop investing in your projects if you don't submit ID to Nefario within a timely manner. Nefario: Please don't allow these situations to happen in the future. State in the terms you demand ID prior to asset creation, and demand it from all current asset-creators, not just when the asset's become large in your mind and you suddenly have a whim to collect ID on the asset-creator. I swear to the King of All Fuck I will stop investing in assets listed on your site if you don't unfreeze Goat's assets within a timely manner. +2 |
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Th's of Asic caught my eye...
I have been in close contact with Vladimir about his up and coming project, as it's a bit further in the future nothing is yet set. Though it seems like if everything goes to plan we will be able to take part of the up and coming mining operation. More specific info released by Vlad can be found here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=75298.0;topicseen//DeaDTerra |
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In my opinion this is very bad for Goat. He has left his shareholders down. People are right for bailing on their shares. He can't fulfill a simple request to verify himself. I guess he must be hiding something.
Im going to put a time limit of a week on this, after a week if goat has not verified then I will close down all the shares and return what is left in his account (as he mentioned, about 1K BTC) to his shareholders. I will also approach him to repay the difference between what is in his account and what he owes shareholders. Nefario. I think this is a really bad option Nefario, Goat has proven himself in the past and had has ID up before, give him some more time to respond to the ID request before taking any action. //DeaDTerra If it takes someone more then a week to scan their id and email it, then we have some serious problems. He already showed is ID before creating TyGrr, what he's worried about know as I understand it is the legality of GLBSE and that he could get sued or jailed do to his activities on GLBSE. To shutdown all the shares after only one week seems like a bit radical solution. Just my opinion but I am a bit bias as I am a major shareholder almost all the TyGrr companies :8 //DeaDTerra |
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In my opinion this is very bad for Goat. He has left his shareholders down. People are right for bailing on their shares. He can't fulfill a simple request to verify himself. I guess he must be hiding something.
Im going to put a time limit of a week on this, after a week if goat has not verified then I will close down all the shares and return what is left in his account (as he mentioned, about 1K BTC) to his shareholders. I will also approach him to repay the difference between what is in his account and what he owes shareholders. Nefario. I think this is a really bad option Nefario, Goat has proven himself in the past and had has ID up before, give him some more time to respond to the ID request before taking any action. //DeaDTerra |
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If your interested in investing in Bitcoin mining and other Bitcoin based companies and operations without having to deal with the trades and evaluations of companies yourself, you can investing Gamma Bitcoin Fund. We are opening up on the 15th of April for public investors, for more info take a look at this thread or send me a pm https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=74975.0//DeaDTerra |
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Total time logged in: 20 days, 22 hours and 28 minutes.
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I just wanted to add that if anyone is interested in investing but is hesitating please do contact me , send me a email on terragubben@gmail.com or add me on skype (terragubben) and we can have a chat. That way I can personally ensure you that your funds will be safe with me I am also working towards getting my real ID confirmed to make it easier for you guys to trust me. I have to major projects coming up for the fund, one of them is in a couple of weeks time and it involves a newly developed arbitrage bot that will trade over multiple exchanges using high frequency trade, this bot will be able to make a good amount of profit while being almost risk free as trades are only executed if there's a calculated profit on another exchange. The fund will be one of the few investors in this bot and the script will not be given to anyone to ensure that we can keep the profits as high as possible. I also have a big mining project coming up, this is a bit further in the future. Ranging from a month to half a year from now depending on what kind of capital can be raised and the production time of the mining hardware. I can't release much information, but it will involve a big mining operation (we are talking terahashes of power) and some very ground breaking technology with the new ASIC mining hardware. These are up to two orders of magnitude more power efficient and have higher density then a GPU solution. //DeaDTerra |
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SO don't list on the GLBSE. Nefario will identify the issuer. this is dangerous for a scammer.
At the moment I do not wish to list on GLBSE just because my current fund structure and setup will not work that well with the current GLBSE structure. I am happy to identify my real ID to any trusted member of the forum for example Nefario. Not for my ID to go public but if something happens it could be released and the investors could get justice //DeaDTerra Apology for my rudeness. If you really did this, investors will have very strong confidence to your fund, at least on the fiduciary duty aspect. No problems, I can see how this might seem a bit fishy, but I have been running this fund for almost half a year and I do not plan to run away or quit any time soon. I would be happy to verify my ID to Nefario, though I don't want it to be forced, I am happy to take a picture of my ID etc as long as it's not release to the public.Most of the GLBSE Investments are gray zoned so I would rather avoid having my real ID circulating, so using Nefario or someone else from the community as a middle hand sounds like a good idea //DeaDTerra |
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SO don't list on the GLBSE. Nefario will identify the issuer. this is dangerous for a scammer.
At the moment I do not wish to list on GLBSE just because my current fund structure and setup will not work that well with the current GLBSE structure. I am happy to identify my real ID to any trusted member of the forum for example Nefario. Not for my ID to go public but if something happens it could be released and the investors could get justice //DeaDTerra This is the general idea with ID verification. Right now GLBSE only shows a users verification if they have created a GLBSE asset, but I'd like to add a public page for users that will allow them to point to their GLBSE accounts that show they've been verified. I would be happy to verify myself to Nefario, if you have the time could you send me a pm with the things I need to have to prove my identity? thanks //DeaDTerra Do verify. It'll make people have more confidence in you, for example me. Just don't pull another shakaru on us  Indeed, I planned to verify my ID to someone of the community and Nefario seems like a good choice Haha I won't //DeaDTerra |
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SO don't list on the GLBSE. Nefario will identify the issuer. this is dangerous for a scammer.
At the moment I do not wish to list on GLBSE just because my current fund structure and setup will not work that well with the current GLBSE structure. I am happy to identify my real ID to any trusted member of the forum for example Nefario. Not for my ID to go public but if something happens it could be released and the investors could get justice //DeaDTerra This is the general idea with ID verification. Right now GLBSE only shows a users verification if they have created a GLBSE asset, but I'd like to add a public page for users that will allow them to point to their GLBSE accounts that show they've been verified. I would be happy to verify myself to Nefario, if you have the time could you send me a pm with the things I need to have to prove my identity? thanks //DeaDTerra |
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SO don't list on the GLBSE. Nefario will identify the issuer. this is dangerous for a scammer.
At the moment I do not wish to list on GLBSE just because my current fund structure and setup will not work that well with the current GLBSE structure. I am happy to identify my real ID to any trusted member of the forum for example Nefario. Not for my ID to go public but if something happens it could be released and the investors could get justice //DeaDTerra |
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Hi, the system will not payout unless you have .5 btc This will be lowered but its what it is now.
Ah that explains it , thanks //DeaDTerra |
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No problems, I will purchase a ticket //DeaDTerra |
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Prices has been updated and I am also looking into start to sell EvE play time, so if your interested in purchasing PLEX then contact me //DeaDTerra |
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