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1661  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Scam alert - rollcat.io on: July 12, 2023, 05:31:37 PM
OP I can see how disappointing it is to have been ignored by a customer care to a group you identified with for business purpose. This is one of the  most annoying experience one would ever encounter in the cause of doing business with any organization  for which you have entrusted their funds with. I think you should try give them a little time and see how the respond to your case as they have an announcement thread here or better still, you can communicate with their representative so as to fast track your payment with immediate effect.

rollcat rep

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1662  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: If bitcoin according to Satoshi is digital money then why call it investment. on: July 12, 2023, 05:11:40 PM
Grin CryptSafe my Nigga, you have been a while in the forum and there are some terms we learn to know their uses base on the way they are used in the context both in physical classroom too, not all the words the teacher pronounced are known to us instant but some we know from the context the teacher used. First of all I want to thank you for understanding the part that bitcoin is a digital currency. Now if it is a currency, have you heard the term "loan" with Fiat Currency? Yes. Now how does loan work. Loaning someone doesn't mean you are buying something but you give money to someone with a specific amount and the person will pay you back with interest. That is an investment, isn't it? That is you gave out money to get profit from the money you gave out. There is a saying in Nigeria, "We use money to find money", that is we used money to get more money from the capital.

Now when we come to bitcoin, yes bitcoin is money for digital use only and bitcoin appreciate so people buy bitcoin when the price is low and sell it out when the price increase and that is the investment part of bitcoin. So don't be confused with it, it is the buying and selling of bitcoin is the investment. Like now, if you buy bitcoin today as it is $30k and keep it for about 3 to 4 years and bitcoin price increase to $60k how much do you think you will make? That will be a big amount of money though that will also depends on the amount you used for the investment. Bitcoin is just like the loan business that appreciate time.

Bros, I want to clear doubt o. But anyways I get your points mate. I was looking at it from Satoshi perspective of bitcoin being a digital cash and how it deviated from being a digital cash to investment opportunity. I believe the scarcity as orchestrated by the whales and the market uncertainty ignited it to where it is today. People at the helms of affairs control the make at any time they want and at their own will while those trading at their mercies just speculate around with fear of the market trend.

I know for sure trading on bitcoin would generate profit for those engaged in the activities that is why they see it as investment. Buying when the price is low and selling when it is high for profit purpose and lots more is not bad as many depend on it for daily income. This is the investment for which it was turned into and it still serves the same purpose as it turns to be digital cash.
1663  Economy / Services / Re: Looking to make a big impact with your crypto marketing strategy? on: July 12, 2023, 04:30:51 PM
OP is really not serious  from the looks. These two organizations as mentioned by OP does not demand for fee for listing  but OP does and I ask OP if he or she is the head listing director of the organizations and I see fees demanded are for express listings.

No portfolio, nobody to vouch for OP, no escrow, no reputation, no nothing and you want projects from here to contact you for listings very funny though. Please do not waste your time in this pursuit of yours here because you barely can get anybody here to do this without an escrow from this platform.
1664  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How to know an account has been blacklisted or put on ignored. on: July 12, 2023, 01:16:43 PM
OP I will tell you this, your situation is not a new thing neither is it a new experience to someone out there but be rest assured that you are not on any black list and with respect to ignored list, there is nothing as such that there is a general ignore list but rather on individual basis. One can choose to ignore someone for  reasons best known to them but the person being ignored will never know about it.

I am very sure about the shitposter and spammers list on this platform. You can use the search botton to locate it here or  I will update this post later on and  put the link to the thread here fo you to see.
1665  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Before contributing, learn from others as a newbie on: July 12, 2023, 12:55:45 PM
Sometimes I wonder too because most of the post I have seen from newbies are just as you have described here. There is even one I saw the last time a newbie advising members on how to make post when he or she is  writing as a newbie and I asked if the newbie had take his or her to learn from other members ahead of he or she. It is very funny though but it is better ignored than wasting your time because they do not hid to advise.  They don't want to learn but are quick to give advise with their newbie rank.

There absolutely nothing wrong in newbies teaching a thing or two, because it is widely accepted that most have gained knowledge be before joining up in the forum. There series of meaningful threads that can be helpful to the community and are created by newbies, it is possible he might caught the whole idea or gain the knowledge through the process of his learning and decides to share with the community.
What is actually awkward is when a newbie create a thread without substantial information or there are mis information on it, this is as a result of eagerness just to teach or create threads with out having proper knowledge of the subject it’s self.

When newbies do this things it is clearly seen that they are after merit. And it is has been long advices that merit isn’t gotten alone by creating threads, you can have as many merit as they could give once you are able to make quality replies. Creating multiple threads without having any meaning only gets you into some members (mostly merit source) ignore list

I am not saying that all newbies are like that but just for some few that are desperate and are probably not in know of how things works here but are just quick to start exposing themselves without any learning and asking questions to clear their doubts. For those communicating new ideas and knowledge I presume they are already in the know of the platform. Possibly, they must have had an issue with their account which might have resulted to them losing it or they have the newbie as alt. So I would not be surprised if they make tangible and meaningful contributions through comments and post here.
1666  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin: risk nothing, you're risking more on: July 12, 2023, 12:32:41 PM

This platform have come a long  way thus achieving numerous successes and growth in the blockchain space and bitcoin to be precise.  The success of this platform lies on the hands of every one individual presently registered here. Your contributions, comments, statements and lots more can go along way to making impart on the forum and in the lives of many members here because people come here to gain knowledge, information and experience of the digital money world which bitcoin is the lead master.

You are never late mate. You can still meet up as long as you have the passion and drive for being here as a member.   I will advise you take out time to learn on how things works here so as to scale through without having any issues only then you can be able to grow up and vast in experience.


One of the modern communication sites and social/ community platforms are developed for the people or newbies to enhance their capabilities regarding the skills related to involvement. Off course, technology has reduced the distance between people, and individuals can interact through community forums.
The modern way of keeping in touch with people is through these types of knowledgeable forums where everyone learns about cryptography and the techniques involved. The Bitcoin forum is one of them, where everyone shares their experience and guidelines for others as reference.


Sure social media platforms has reduced the communication gap amongst people from different walks of life. There is no more barrier in getting in touch with other skills and learning from them in addition to your personal knowledge already gained. Smart is applicable here on this platform. Bitcointalk platform has given lots of people the experience they sought for and also avenue to getting in touch with people of different ethnicity.

It is also unique that one can render services and get paid here in crypto and bitcoin to be more precise. Lots of projects have successfully gotten to stardom through this platform which is a big attribute and a plus to the existence of bitcointalk. So we can boldly say that bitcointalk platform is an embodiment of knowledge and skills development.
1667  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: My story about bitcoin and my old friend. on: July 12, 2023, 11:51:46 AM
From your story I could deduce three things; commitment, passion and perseverance which were in display by you. I commend you for that mate and I am happy your efforts yielded positive results because you believed in it and you never gave up but what made me more happy is the fact that your story changed and your friend could see it and was surprised at the speed you upgraded all thanks to bitcoin the stand you took and he also apologized for mocking you at your early days as a bitcoin enthusiast.
It paid off mate and here you are enjoying the fruit of your commitment. I know your turn around is a testimony to others who doubted the process and I also believe as a result of what they have seen in yiur life, they would also key in to bitcoin movement themselves without you talking too much to convince them. This story is worth sharing so as to motivate and encourage others who have long been on the spot waiting and almost losing hope to not give up as there is always a bright light at the end of the tunnel.

Congratulations!
1668  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Awareness as the major force for Bitcoin adoption on: July 12, 2023, 11:33:35 AM
Awareness is very much important because it brings to consciousness the knowledge of something already existing which bitcoin is not exempted. If the bitcoin awareness is strong and massive, the growth or increase in adoption would be very fast and spread round the globe. I believe there are still a million and one person's out there that are yet to hear and have knowledge about bitcoin and I would also say this, if emphasis should be placed in convincing the government of  nation's to accepting bitcoin, I believe it would be very much easier because their citizens will quickly take advantage of the opportunity as their government approval means a yes to bitcoin legality in their various countries. This alone would speak for itself and making the adoption rate scale up very fast as a result of its legality in the various countries as the case may be.
1669  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: If bitcoin according to Satoshi is digital money then why call it investment. on: July 12, 2023, 10:57:53 AM
Bitcoin wasn't envisioned as a form of investment, but it because an investment because of how drastically the price started changing and because it's consistently going up over the years. When the value of something increases over time, it's natural that people will treat it as an investment.
The idea of Bitcoin as electronic cash is still somewhat relevant, and there are people who use it this way. But there isn't enough adoption of Bitcoin as a form of payment, and then there's the scalability issue.
It should also be noted that even fiat is sometimes used as an investment. For example, it used to be very popular in my country to buy the USD, hodl and then sell for local fiat because our fiat suffered a lot more from inflation than the USD, so the USD was mainly seen as an investment. But it is also a type of money, there's no doubt about it. Bitcoin can easily be both, and it doesn't matter whether this is what Satoshi thought Bitcoin would become.

I understand the fact that investment is one thing everyone would want to venture once they see the opportunity and I believe that was the situation of bitcoin then. As the price began to appreciate, whales seized the opportunity to accumulate more of it withholding it in supply, making it scarce commodity while the price grows very fast.

Adoption I think is one of the major challenges facing bitcoin currently as most government frowns at it and they see it as a big threat to their fiat and other activities they do which some are quite shaddy. Although some have adopted bitcoin as a legal tender digitally and it is working very good for them. It is good that there has been a gradual individual adoption of bitcoin into various businesses which solely represents the bitcoin for goods and services goal and that would tell in time to come.
1670  Local / Nigeria (Naija) / Re: [CHARTS] Monthly Overview Of Nigeria Local Board📈 Monthly Merit Reward on: July 12, 2023, 04:46:20 AM
Congratulations to everyone who made it to the list and those who won something it's always very difficult to select the feathers of the month. You guys are doing well.

I hail you senior man. You dey really try for this your monthly analysis. The task no be here o. Irrespective of your schedule you still dey see to the matter of making sure say we get our monthly chart ready. You do well. This one go dey make other members put head and body to see say this board dey lively and active too.
I will as well applaud or very own Cryptopreneurbrainboss for his commitment towards projecting the local boards to bitcoin community here. His efforts are yielding results positively and by so doing, more attention is coming towards the Nigeria board which I believe our request when ever made would be granted to us speedily. I will urge everyone recipients of the awards to keep up with their work in making the local board very much active because only then would other members see for themselves that the local board is fast growing.

Once again congratulations to everyone who made it to the list including the organizers and sponsors of the award. 

One love!
1671  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: If bitcoin according to Satoshi is digital money then why call it investment. on: July 12, 2023, 04:25:24 AM
Now I ask how come it deviated to being an investment?.


People didn't call it an investment, they turned it into an investment property. Right, bitcoin was initially created to be a decentralized currency not controlled by anyone. But it is we investors who have turned bitcoin into a speculative asset, all because of our behavior and usage. But honestly, if bitcoin is not an investment, it is not volatile and not profitable. I wonder how many people will use it? Are you sure you are getting into bitcoin because you need privacy, not profit?
Privacy is one of the key features of bitcoin if I am not mistaken. Sole ownership without third party interference was the sole aim where by one can have access to his or her fund and do what ever he or she wants to do with it without any trace or mingling with government or any third party organizations. You have control over you funds.
Everyone individual loves profiting so therefore would utilize every opportunity they have to make more profits. No one is exempted from that even you too would want to use every little avenue to make profit.
1672  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Before contributing, learn from others as a newbie on: July 12, 2023, 03:58:51 AM
Sometimes I wonder too because most of the post I have seen from newbies are just as you have described here. There is even one I saw the last time a newbie advising members on how to make post when he or she is  writing as a newbie and I asked if the newbie had take his or her to learn from other members ahead of he or she. It is very funny though but it is better ignored than wasting your time because they do not hid to advise.  They don't want to learn but are quick to give advise with their newbie rank.
1673  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin: risk nothing, you're risking more on: July 12, 2023, 02:33:58 AM
since 2018 which is over 5 years when I got information about Bitcoin I have lost lots of opportunity that could have changed my life because I choose to be reluctant from concrete friends advise concerning Bitcoin because, through investment of cyptocurrency many of my pals have been scammed  and the downtrend movement in 2018 also got me discouraged so i concluded that Bitcoin was not worth the risk for me, and
 now I have come to regret from the discission i made due to ignorance because over the years it progress has really attracted my attention, so i met a friend who is now i successful investor and he introduced me to this platform

seeing the success, growth and progress of the platform, I want to personally appreciate the members from legendary to newbies like me for keeping this platform running and going

Thank you very much for your supports and consistency
This platform have come a long  way thus achieving numerous successes and growth in the blockchain space and bitcoin to be precise.  The success of this platform lies on the hands of every one individual presently registered here. Your contributions, comments, statements and lots more can go along way to making impart on the forum and in the lives of many members here because people come here to gain knowledge, information and experience of the digital money world which bitcoin is the lead master.

You are never late mate. You can still meet up as long as you have the passion and drive for being here as a member.   I will advise you take out time to learn on how things works here so as to scale through without having any issues only then you can be able to grow up and vast in experience.

Once again welcome to bitcointalk platform.
1674  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / If bitcoin according to Satoshi is digital money then why call it investment. on: July 12, 2023, 02:20:28 AM
I know you must be wondering what's up with my topic right? I too was having a thought over this and I  felt I should bring it here for discussion so we all can share our own various opinions.

For quite sometime now all I have been seeing is statements and topics of bitcoin being an investment and it bothered me to look into it and I as well stand to be corrected logically and with facts with respect to this conversation.

The sole reason why bitcoin was invented was to serve the purpose of digital money for which it was clearly stated on the white paper by Satoshi Nakamoto as captured below by quote;

Quote
Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System.
    Bitcoin White Paper
If you look at the top page of the while paper, it is clearly written there and there was no captions like investment  attached to it or being mentioned by Satoshi Nakamoto himself. Now I ask how come it deviated to being an investment?. I have read all through the white paper and never saw anything like investment but rather " an electronic peer 2 peer cash payment system" which means bitcoin is money but in a digital way of making payments. So how come it became an investment?

I believe in the course of adding more value to it's existence, whales bought large volume by market manipulation at the early stage of bitcoin inception and those who couldn't stand the market wave sold out giving way for the whales to take over the market and since then along with other occurrence and scenarios,  bitcoin became an investment and store of value aka digital gold as per say as it worked out for the whales according to their schemes. Would it be that easy to correct that notion of bitcoin being called an investment other than money.
When it is used for payment of goods and services on daily basis and we having full custody of our funds in a digital way would it be necessary we calling it an investment aside the price increase which is fluctuating and barely stable for a long time.? I believe Satoshi Nakamoto the sole originator of the bitcoin knows much better than everyone why he invented the bitcoin and I also would be looking forward to his reappearance be it pseudo anonymous or otherwise to making some notable observations on the bitcoin journey so far.

1675  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is the way to Prosperity for a Determined Dreamer on: July 12, 2023, 12:19:06 AM
At the end of the day @OP, it is your hard work and smart moves that will make you prosper, Bitcoin is just a tool for you to use and get profit depending on what kind of action you did in every situation.  I agree that since Bitcoin is still in its early phase, it can be an opportunity to make our dream come true but I would like to state that Bitcoin is not only the one option to prosper, there are lots of ways.  But the one deciding factor whether we will be successful to achieve our dream is our own actions and dedication.

This speaks of volume and as you have said, our success depends solely on our actions and efforts to achieving our goal and purpose. Bitcoin is still in it's early phase because I believe not upto 0.01 percentage of the world population have adopted bitcoin (correct me if I am mistaken with respect to the world population percentage)
Although the earliest adopters have benefited hugely from it but still then, there are still Huge benefits from bitcoin as it is gradually growing in price value. OP would need to focus on it if he or she wants to get something out of it with commitment, drive and passion for it, definitely the outcome or result would be worth it.
1676  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Relationship between social media and Bitcoin on: July 11, 2023, 11:37:46 PM
A lot of people happen to hear about Bitcoin through social media because social media is part of the life of people from the age of 12 - 60years and it was once the venue where people communicate, make friends, and juicy and gossip news so the army enthusiasts took advantage of it to showcase Bitcoin. Besides, the number of the cryptocurrency army we have on social media is more than the forum and despite the awareness created through social media we still have some people who are yet to know about Bitcoin.
Truly the bitcoin army is very active on social media and I would also agree to the fact that some people are yet to hear about bitcoin which is very correct but these people we assume they are possibly rural dwellers  with no technological knowledge. They are not familiar or conversant with new morden technology and that has been that challenges.
Yes, 98% of the people that have heard about Bitcoin are rural residents. We have some people from the urban area who have heard about Bitcoin but are yet to be aware of its potential and the benefit of joining it now.
I am saying this base on what I experienced some days ago at an IOT event.

No doubt mate. I have had the the experience too. In my country, the village dwellers are very far from information technology and as such have no idea of what is really happening in the cities. Most of them have not heard much about bitcoin. They are characterized by many attributes that I think would be very difficult or would take a long time and process to get them integrated into the system.  Most of them does not have the financial will and cannot afford an android phone not to talk of internet connection or electricity to keep them online 24hours.
1677  Economy / Services / Re: Dealer for you in China, just tell me what you wanna on: July 11, 2023, 11:16:12 PM
I don´t understand exactly what you are saying?
He is saying that he will be your contact person in China

Want to buy shoes? He will do it for you and ship it to you. Want to invest in real estate in China, he will be your contact person

IMO, there is no way you can trust such a stranger with zero reputation, yet we have marketplaces like Alibaba, Aliexpress that offer similar services, act as escrow and even have buyer protection and trade assurance.


So he will be demanding for money before he could actually buy the product and send it to your country. So how can anyone trust a person with zero reputation on this forum. I do not say that he is dishonest, but what's the grantee that he will get our money and never send us our goods  Huh

By the way, there are some tips for person who interesting
1. I do B2B, not to C, I mean I do wholesale sevices
2. I do services company to company, not personally
3. My Hongkong account accept company to company T/T, no person to me

So you want to deal with companies who can take goods in bulk. But do you think that business (B) and companies will be comfortable dealing with a C (Customer). In order for B2B, you also need to have a company. So will you care to tell about your company ?

Initially I thought OP was serious with the business offer here but when I saw the second phase of the offer on the subsequent post made by OP, I became sceptical of OPs intentions here. If OP decides not to go by the forum standard of using an escrow, the OP chances of doing business here is minuit as nobody would reason his direction anymore for the fact that OP has no reputation here to hold onto for anything deals that involves funds. Not until an escrow is involved, anything otherwise is a waste of time.

If OP wants to deal, OP should step  to forum standard anything outside of that OP should not bother as nobody would look his or her direction.
1678  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Being Knowledgeable before Bitcoin investment is very Good on: July 11, 2023, 10:57:37 PM
I have realized that sometimes investors do not just go into investing in a business they have no knowledge about. They are most times deceived to doing that just because they have cash and are desperate to invest without conducting due diligence on the business. Maybe they trust the business because it was introduced to them by their allies and at the entire end they end up falling for scam because they trusted the source through which they got the business link from.

Many investors has been deceive into investing in scams either by direct means of trying to scam them or those introducing the business to them didn't know it was a scam business and they also got scammed which is why we shouldn't be believing everything we see on the internet. There's a lot of scam than real project and that's because scams are easier to sell to individuals as they get interested when you let them know they can make a fortune by small capitals.

It doesn't matter who's coming to give you the information, unless it's your financial advisor that would had done several findings to make sure that's the better investment decision for you still don't trust them hundred percent because they're humans and can make mistakes.

There is no bad in someone telling you about a business proposal or business plan but it is very bad that you do not conduct your own due diligence after you have been approached by them to invest in their business. You doing your own research would expose you to many facts you know not about such business and if the business is real or fake and the possibility of the business sustaining for a long period of time.
This is where some investors make the mistake. They fail to do their own research which should be their number one priority when ever such proposals come to their table. No human is perfect and as such, enough reasons one should carry out a personal research or if you can not do that as a result of engagement, you can contact a private team to conduct the due diligence on that proposal's independent of the initial.
1679  Economy / Gambling / Re: Whats happening with Betnomi? on: July 11, 2023, 10:39:30 PM
I guarantee if they do come back, all will be forgotten and people will carry on playing there. Their feedback isn't affected. Not even a flag. This forum has had a problem with scam sites for a long time.

If they get back and resolve all the issues that have been complained about them including releasing customer's money, I think that should settle the whole stuff and it will build back confidence and trust but if they don't do that to the fullest satisfaction of complaints then it will not speak positive on them and will discourage bettors playing with them.
I think some earlier posts shows that there were some quotes text which shows some statement from their team promising to make refunds gradually but I think they should just do that speedily and focus on resolving whatever issues they are facing so as to avoid unnecessary dramas from the public because if that should happen then that is the end of the road for betnomi.

If they are facing challenges of funding, the simple thing is just to source for investors willing to invest in their casino as it would not cost them anything much to do that and mind you investors are everywhere looking for where to put their funds not to talk of when  it is a casino that generates huge funds.
1680  Economy / Gambling / Re: 😺 RollCat.io 🚀 Provably Fair 🔒 Crazy Multipliers 🎰 Free Hourly Coins 💰 on: July 11, 2023, 10:05:48 PM
I had a look at the site aswell. The lack of support is conerning and so is the lack of communication.
Its a very bare bones site but that is not necessarily a bad thing, these big "all games in one" casinos arent always that good either. The faucet is pretty good aswell, good for testing the site out Smiley.

The casino is definitely a new and small casino so i expect to see lapses in the course of using it. The representative here barely responds to pertinent questions as it bothers users of the casino and also I do not think they hid to advise so as to taking and making corrections for possible ease while using the casino. Up till now, the the representative is yet to get a copper membership account so they could be able to make proper upload of the casino graphics and other important aspect of the casino. If they could pay deaf ears refusing to hid to advise,i don't think they would have a good communication relationship with their clients which we already see people complaining of their customer care here and lapses in withdrawal.

Issue about that delay is bit disappointing even if this is small amount of money. They should at least put a person that can handle their thread since this is common thing what people ask. If they cannot solve a small issue how about the bigger ones? For sure many dislike this to happen and they are showing that their support is not active so I guess much better if they address this so that they can gain good trust score from people.

You are very correct mate. Customer care service is very important in every organization. The success of every organization mostly depends on its customer relations so as to build up the organization. What we see on their thread is simply a reflection of who they are and it is not normal to be. Being inactive would definitely throw you in or better still make for harm than good to you.
It is something that they can improve on knowing that they are a small and new casino, we can expect some kind of problems in them though this shows that they are not as good as other new competitors that are all out in providing services to their customers. Customer support is one of the factors of a good casino but this is the part where new casino typhically choose to compromise or cut their cost. Let's just hope even with the lack of good customer service, they should still choose to address the problem of their customers even if it's delayed.

They knowing that they are a new and small growing casino should make them put more effort to growing their brands because there are lots of competition out their for who will outsmart the other. They just decided to be lousy over it and feel not giving attention to it. They forget that the customer care service is a major selling point of every organization. The success of every organization depends on how you treat and attend to your customer because they would do the marketing for you if you do them well but if the reverse is the case, then believe me that organization is doomed because no one would ever want to have anything doing with them again.

Cutting cost on customer care service is a big disaster to them if they don't know because customers enteract with organizations through the care service and that is the only way they are attended to so tell me when there is nobody to see to their needs what else comes into their memory? They would see the casino as not serious and go their way after all there are other casinos out there that renders better services than them.
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