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1661  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How come austrian economists do not believe in bitcoin? on: April 09, 2013, 01:22:51 PM
If you're accepting Visa and the fee is 0, you should become a merchant account/gateway provider because everywhere else in the world charges 2-3% + US$0.15-0.30+ per transaction not including the risk and fees from chargeback.


Huh?

I am speaking as a customer. When I want to send 1 cent by paypal, I pay 26 cents (1 for the transaction + 25 as fees).
When I want to pay something in a shop or a restaurant I pay the price + 0 fee. I don't care if the shop does not receive 100 % of it. If I had paid with cash that would have been the same price.
Paying 1 million time the amount you want to send as a customer is just far away from acceptable.
1662  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bitcoin securities. on: April 09, 2013, 12:54:43 PM
It depends if you want euros / usd / ... and how long you are able to wait. Mtgox has a long queue to go though

You did not really read the question, did you?

Maybe I understood it wrong.
I thought that he wanted to convert his btc into fiat on an exchanger, asking for names for companies and feedbacks.
1663  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bitcoin securities. on: April 09, 2013, 12:49:55 PM
It depends if you want euros / usd / ... and how long you are able to wait. Mtgox has a long queue to go though
1664  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How come austrian economists do not believe in bitcoin? on: April 09, 2013, 12:49:04 PM
I think they are wrong in this case.

The guy doesn't stop talking about gold, and nobody says bitcoins are going to compete directly with gold or even other fiat money. Bitcoin will be successful ONLY just by taking away a part of paypal's and Visa markets. Those are their competitors and only with that its future is guaranteed as an exchange medium for some type of transactions. That might help stabilizing its price and allowing it use as the "digital poor's man value keeper".




How the hell are you believing that bitcoins will ever compete with Visa or paypal when the fees are like:
- 0 for Visa
- 25 cents for paypal
- 1 million time the amount you're sending when you're sending 0.0000001 btc
1665  Local / Discussions générales et utilisation du Bitcoin / Re: La hausse de ce début d'année on: April 09, 2013, 12:34:11 PM
Toi tu verrais la situation actuelle comme une bulle passagère alors? Un soufflet médiatique qui va vite retomber?

C'est une possibilité qu'on ne peut pas écarter d'un revers de main, en tout cas.  C'est difficile de ne pas remarquer l'apparente corrélation entre le graph de bitcoin sur Google trends et le cours.

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Est-ce qu'au contraire l'agitation médiatique n'aurait pas attiré l'attention de gros poissons (fonds d'investissements, grosses fortunes?) qui y voient peut-être une nouvelle valeur refuge ou d'optimisation fiscale?

C'est possible aussi, et dans ce cas l'emballement médiatique serait une conséquence et non une cause.  Difficile à dire.




Il n'y a aucune autre hypothèse plausible, le bitcoin étant totalement sans intérêt.
Les gens le gardent uniquement car ils espèrent qu'il atteigne 1 000 euros, ou plus.

Mais y a pas des centaines de gens qui sont prêt à mettre des centaines d'euros dans un truc qui ... ne sert à rien.
Les gens qui achètent des bitcoins sur mtogx, bitcoin-central ou ailleurs n'ont ont AUCUN intérêt. Ils attendent juste que le prix monte pour le revendre et faire du profit !
Un jour ou l'autre les gens comprendront qu'ils se le rachète entre eux, et que les quelques 5 euros de profit qu'ils font à droite ou à gauche ne repose sur rien, puisque contrairement au forex on ne peut trader le bitcoin que à la hausse (impossible de vendre des bitcoins avant de les avoir acheter, sauf si je me trompe...). Et donc tout le monde va vouloir vendre et ça va sans doute être la fin du bitcoin.


La file d'attente de mtgox, ou le nombre de noms de domaines avec bitcoin ne veut rien dire. 90 % des sites de bitcoins restent en lignes quelques heures / jours / semaines avant d'arrêter de payer et disparaître.


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Est-ce qu'au contraire l'agitation médiatique n'aurait pas attiré l'attention de gros poissons (fonds d'investissements, grosses fortunes?) qui y voient peut-être une nouvelle valeur refuge ou d'optimisation fiscale?
Parce que si tu avais un million d'euros tu achèterais 6 500 bitcoins plutôt que de l'or ?
Lol, la bonne blague. Même si j'étais millionnaire je n'investirais jamais 150 euros dans un bitcoin.

Il y a peut-être quelques mafias qui pensent que c'est une valeur refuge, et blanchissent de l'argent comme ça, mais ça ne va pas durer aussi longtemps que les impôts.



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Imagine quand tu trouvera un boulot payé en BTC et que tu échangera ce qu'il te faut en € pour tes besoins (le contraire de maintenant)
Imagine quand un service basé sur le BTC va se lancer pour concurrencer Western Union & co.
Mais ça n'arrivera jamais.
Y a eu combien de transactions en bitcoins depuis sa création ? 5 ? 10 ?
Faut arrêter de délirer ^^

Le bitcoins ne pourra jamais percer, c'est beaucoup trop lent, pas assez sécurisé, et jamais adopté en masse. C'est voué à l'échec.
A part rendre les premiers utilisateurs millionnaires il n'aura servi à rien. On en reparle dans 1 an Smiley


Juste un exemple : quand tu payes 1 centime par carte bleue, tu n'as aucun frais ...
Quand tu envois 0.00000001 btc, tu payes 0.01 btc de frais : soit un million de fois plus cher que ta transaction. A côté les 3.4 % de paypal + 25 centimes font pâle figure :p
1666  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Crash coming? on: April 08, 2013, 08:37:01 PM
Is it not just a matter of supply and demand?

Demand is: the total of those who want to invest their savings (Cyprus) + the increased use of BTC in trade
Supply = the total of those who want to sell BTC + the increment mined.

If that balance is lost, there is a sharp rise or a sharp fall. A look into the exchange rate development is a look into to symtoms. It says nothing.

So who can provide us with the data?




To me, the main problem is that BTC is not a standart trading asset. You can not open "short positions", hoping for prices to go down.
Furthermore, I do not see any demand.


The recent media coverage, and speculation of maybe 10 or 100 BTC that got buy, and overbuy by mtgox in order to increase their fees and benefits is not anything logic.
I mean, BTC are worthless. If you do not own a website giving BTC for ads, captchas or whatsoever, it is totally pointless. You just can buy it and hope the price to rise before selling it and making a small profit. But you can not buy anything in the real world or on internet cheaper with BTC than with euros ... You can't even buy it faster, since you need to wait days and days before being able to actually get your first bitcoins, and weeks to make your wallet synchronised.

The recent increase is probably due to:
- some people thinking that they can make profits, buying low, selling high ...
- the exchangers, making fake trades, increasing the prices in order to increase their benefits.


When the people will start understanding that you can not do anything with a bitcoin they will probably massively sell it.
I can't see any utility to that actually.


Some cyber-punk might say that they are fighting for freedom, being anonymous, but it is bullshit.
Everyone is now buying btc, hoping it to increase in value, nobody wants to sell, except the miners becoming rich Smiley

But when people will start thinking and seing that you can't do shit with a bitcoin.
At the end of 2014, btc will either has disappeared or worth 0.001 USD.




The problem is that it is nothing but a speculative asset that can be lost forever with a technical problem (and can only trade when price is increasing...).
If it has a value, utility or whatsoever, it could become consistent, and maybe last.
1667  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Crash coming? on: April 08, 2013, 06:33:10 PM
It only needs one single event that let people think that the price will decrease, and it will most likely come close to 0, everyone being afraid of loosing money and willing to take a few bucks out of nothing.


Still, it's not proven that a single negative event will appear anytime soon ...
1668  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Your Position in the Verification Queue 15500 on: April 08, 2013, 06:23:32 PM
As a word of warning to anyone counting on the influx of new blood to drive up prices. Remember that given the length of time it's taking to be verified, someone could have signed up at $90 thinking "Hmm I'm going to invest in BTC at 90". Suddenly a week or two later when they get verified BTC is at $170, they feel they have missed the boat and then don't invest. The expected "surge" doesn't materialize.

Just saying.


They can also think "I had 100 BTC I mined for free last year, let's sell it now" and price will drop :p
1669  Local / Échanges / Re: Bitcoin-Central, discussion, questions-réponses on: April 08, 2013, 11:46:20 AM
La com a été claire et précise tout du long.


Faut peut-être pas exagéré non plus, ils n'ont pas respecté la moitié du quart de leurs deadlines annoncées.
1670  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [Giveaway] 100 BBQcoin to Each Address Posted on: April 07, 2013, 09:33:28 PM
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thanks
1671  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: So you want to buy your first bitcoin? on: April 07, 2013, 07:32:29 PM
So I have launched a quick website to help those in need of one (1) bitcoin to get them started.

Alrighty, to get to the point the site is called www.supplybitcoins.com and is available only to newbies who need to get their very first bitcoin.

I hope that many of you newbies can benefit from this service, as well as the bitcoin community as a whole.


A website that is nothing but an almost empty page with an email address on it and tells the user to email that. What's the point ? You could just have given your email address here.

this + what is ur price ?
1672  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Have I been hacked? on: April 07, 2013, 07:31:47 PM
Thanks for all your suggestions everyone! This forum is great help.

nvm
1673  Local / Discussions générales et utilisation du Bitcoin / Re: Précisions et Compléments d'informations sur le fonctionnement des Bitcoins ... on: April 07, 2013, 06:40:56 PM
Ok, donc pour acheter il faut chercher dans les annonces des multiples vendeurs (soit des particuliers) qui ont annoncé (mise en vente) sur le site

Q2 - Ai-je bien compris ?


Merci


Non, les gens mettent des ordres de vente et d'achat :


Par exemple
Achat à 81 euros.
Achat à 82 euros.
Achat à 83 euros.
Achat à 84 euros.
Achat à 85 euros.
Achat à 86 euros.
Achat à 87 euros.

Vente à 90 euros.
Vente à 91 euros.
Vente à 92 euros.
Vente à 93 euros.
Vente à 94 euros.

Si tu achètes, tu achètes au prix du vendeur le plus moins cher (90 euros) et l'ordre s'exécute. Après, selon l'offre et la demande le prix du marché va monter ou baisser, mais tu ne peux acheter ou vendre que au prix du marché.
1674  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Free Litecoin on: April 07, 2013, 06:09:16 PM
yes, too late
1675  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ripple Giveaway! on: April 07, 2013, 04:43:30 PM
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1676  Other / Archival / Re: I sold everything at $158/159 this morning on: April 07, 2013, 04:01:51 PM
nice life bro
1677  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: 11 btc gone from my account at 6:00 just a few hours ago, HELP! on: April 07, 2013, 02:10:33 PM
Isn't it necessary to know wallet id (GUID) as well?


My wallet username was the same as my forum one, and my password was 1234567890.
I found out that the 1234567890 username had the same password. Same goes for 0123456789.

So, even if I had only 0.4 mBTC in my wallet (which is like 5 cents), I changed my password, and I put a confirmation by email on login.
1678  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: 11 btc gone from my account at 6:00 just a few hours ago, HELP! on: April 07, 2013, 02:00:19 PM
Interesting.  Why are you trying to hack into peoples accounts?  Are you a thief?


no, was just curious to see if people would use the same username / password.
1679  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: 11 btc gone from my account at 6:00 just a few hours ago, HELP! on: April 07, 2013, 01:55:47 PM
Maybe you got bruteforced ...

Brute forcing SHA256 is out of the question, people.


SHA256? What is it?
I found out 5 passwords of blockchain accounts with only a 10 caracters password yesterday, just trying easy ones.
Both 5 accounts were 0 btc :p
1680  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: 11 btc gone from my account at 6:00 just a few hours ago, HELP! on: April 07, 2013, 01:34:12 PM
Maybe you got bruteforced ...
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