Cloudhashing is there

We are on BTC guild top 20 users. Moving back to bitminter.

 I posted my son's opinion on bitcoin price movement a few weeks back. He told me not to expect any upward movement. His position remains "hold." He said today bitcoin price will be going down, and then up "to the stars."

Of course not everything on the planet, just like no chinese airline accept USD payment, you have to exchange to CNY first

short answer - of course it will. the world doesn't revolve around america.

With what justification. Please explain.

Nature abhors a vacuum

Economics abhors a magic machine that prints money.

Here's what the network will look like at the end of 2013.  Here's what the exchange rate will be set (forced) to by ASICminer and the few others fighting over ASICminer's scraps dumping their coins desperately trying to claw their way to make ROI

Incoming hashrates:

ASICminer = 800 - 1000 TH
Avalon Chips = 300 TH
Avalon Batch 2 = 30 TH
KNCMiner=  200 - 400 TH
BFL = 100 - 1000 TH

Hash rate : 1430 TH/sec - 2730 TH/sec

Difficulty : 203396803 - 388302987


If ROI is fast (i.e. meets 100% ROI in less than a year) because exchange rate is good, difficulty will go up to compensate as people want to buy magic money making machines

if exchange rate is sane, difficulty will not go up because ROI is normal, i.e. one year.  This is what is happening now.  This is what will continue to happen.  So let's see what the exchange rate will be to make ROI sane @ 1 year


Marginal rate for plebs to buy hardware (KNC miner) : 17,500$ per TH/sec.

Price of BTC if set by plebs

Low diff: 49$
Max diff: 93$

Marginal rate for ASICminer to buy hardware : <10,000$ per TH/sec.  We'll be conservative and use 10,000$.  In reality it's probably closer to 5,000$, which means halve these numbers.

Price of BTC when set by ASICminer

Low diff: 11$
Max diff: 21$


Asicminer controls the price of bitcoin.  They are the reason the price has dropped.  It is impossible for anyone to get ANYWHERE near their level of efficiency except the ASIC designers themselves.  All of who currently charge an order of magnitude more for their chips than they actually pay for them.  ASICminer can get their chips for pennies on the dollar compared to you, and pays next to nothing for their industrial electricity.

There is nowhere near enough demand to buy coins to make up for the massive amount mined and dumped on a constant basis.  The exchange rate will continue to plummet until the value of dumped coins actually meets the amount of money flowing in for goods and services (practically non-existant at this time.)

And as the price drops nobody who isn't an idiot will consider holding coins as an investment

TL;DR - Unless YOU are ASICMiner, or you got an ASIC already (Avalon Batch #1) - You are screwed.  No, don't buy coins either, the price is going to keep dropping.

Oh, bonus points.  They EASILY have enough hardware to 51% the network.  They could break 75%.

I just don't understand it. A crash happens in every currency. Do people think that Cryptocurrencies are different?

I honestly don't understand. Bitcoin has had worse crashes, yet $65.40 sets off 'panic mode'? Seriously, whats the deal? I don't want Bitcoin to fail, but it's going to happen again and again as long as Bitcoin is alive.

I've been lurking quite a lot recently. I find the players here funny, obviously most of them are amateurs riding the emotion trend way to hard. If you were smart, you would just sell your coins then wait until there is a comfortable bottom. We are at $67 now according to mtgox/bitcoinity and I doubt this will be the floor. I'm guessing $40's. I'm not gonna waste any of you guy's time with charts but $40's or $30's is definitely the time to buy in.. why? Because even if that is not the floor you have little to lose depending on how much you are willing to gamble. Anyways, why are you weak ones panicing now? Did you really think that the high prices would last long for what still is a child in development. Wait, buy in at low 30-40 then sit. If it works out it works out, if it doesnt it shouldnt bother you anyway because the rule of thumb is never to put in more than you are willing to lose. Man, I feel bad for all the guys that posted on here 3 months ago talking about the loans they took out for BTC. Get serious.

So, if you can buy anything with bitcoin you will give up the fiat? Look at bitmit.net and see what you can buy there

I don't think the option of consumption is the deciding factor, in fact many merchants accept bitcoin, but people still don't use them, maybe they are afraid that one day government will invervene and shut it down (although technically it is not possible)