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16721  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin will reach $10 on: July 02, 2013, 03:03:17 PM
its possible. the funny thing is when it reaches 10, it might not even go up back to 100 again.
16722  Economy / Speculation / Re: BTC excitement is over, value going down. on: July 02, 2013, 03:01:36 PM
as long as Gox price stays > $88 ...

If you really want your extremely drawn out bear market, borrow a bunch of coin and go sell price below $88 on Gox.  And stop making these ridiculous threads.  Put your (or someone else's) money where your fingers are.

lol you may need to gather 1.21 JiggaWatts of power to do so  Cheesy Wink

yes, and please go to 2140 and tell us what the price of btc is by then.
16723  Economy / Economics / Re: Keeping Bitcoin Price High on: July 01, 2013, 12:44:18 PM
I'm trying to think of ways to have Bitcoin keep its value, instead of always fluctuating up and down.  As far as I know, it rises because lots of people buy coins, and once it hits a certain point, someone decides to sell a large amount, so the price drops a little bit, causing everyone else to sell, dropping the price lots.  It falls down, until it hits a low enough value that people wish to "buy back in", and then the price begins to rise again, and the cycle repeats.

My idea is that instead of waiting for the price to rise to sell coins, wait for the price to rise to buy something with coins.  Go to coingig, or bitcoinstore, and find an item that you want, and tell yourself "When Bitcoin hits 120$ (or any price), I'm going to buy this item instead of selling to an exchange.".

I think that this would help keep the price stable, as well as distribute the coins more, instead of keeping them all locked up in an exchange.

EDIT::  My knowledge of economics is minimal, so I could be way off.

it's an idea. but nope, won't happen.
16724  Economy / Speculation / Re: We are going down HARD [TA] on: July 01, 2013, 12:38:18 PM
People stop beliving in mtGOX anymore, even when price between mtgox and bitstamp is near 10$ people dont want to buy on bitstamp and sell on mtgox because they are conviced that gox will never give them money. I think its time to abandon the ship.

abandon ship should've started when it hit below 117. but now is still good.
16725  Economy / Speculation / Re: the price is falling, the price is falling!!! on: July 01, 2013, 12:35:35 PM
knowing what to do whatever happens. that's a start.
16726  Economy / Economics / Re: Clinkle - Largest Seed Investment in Silicon Valley on: July 01, 2013, 12:33:19 PM
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/06/27/silicon-valley-luminaries-bet-on-clinkle-a-payments-start-up/?_r=0

"Clinkle, a new mobile payments start-up, may or may not have succeeded where so many other efforts have fizzled by inventing a practical way to replace credit cards with smartphones. It’s hard to say, though, since Clinkle won’t say much about how its system works.

But a prominent group of Silicon Valley investors who do know what Clinkle is cooking up are acting as though it has achieved a breakthrough. On Thursday, Clinkle announced that it had raised $25 million in early financing from Accel Partners; Andreessen Horowitz; Intel; Intuit; Marc Benioff, the chief executive of Salesforce.com; Peter Thiel, the co-founder of PayPal; and a long list of other investors with technology industry pedigrees."

I've read through a few articles and personally, I can't fathom why a smartphone wallet app is worth $25m in seed stage funding. I searched around on the forums and couldn't find a single mention.

Thoughts about how this could relate to Bitcoin? Is this "the" wallet system that end users will embrace en masse and something that will rely upon Bitcoin infrastructure? Or is it a competitor?

this is something useful for ripple. good job.
16727  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin will reach $10,000 on: July 01, 2013, 12:27:32 PM
Inspired by this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=245802.0 I thought I'd try the scientific approach.


Before 2020 is my non-fact-based estimate.  What do you think?

it could happen. but then, it could not.
16728  Economy / Speculation / Re: the price is falling, the price is falling!!! on: July 01, 2013, 12:25:55 PM
Reference to chicken little there...

Anyway I figure people are now able to cash out of Gox?

Not a big move yet I guess, but what do you guys think is gonna happen?

what's gonna happen is people might panic driving btc lower.
16729  Economy / Economics / Re: Re-visit the question: What is bitcoin's value backed by? on: July 01, 2013, 12:22:30 PM
What is a fiat currency's value backed by? It is backed by the economy behind it,  you can use that currency to satisfy certain kind of demand, so it has value

What is bitcoin's value backed by? It is backed by some properties, although those properties do not provide goods/services that satisfy any kind of demand, but they combined together can satisfy an ultimate demand: To get a lot of income quickly, and all the other demand will be satisfied in turn

The problem today is not that your demand can not be fulfilled, it is you don't have enough increase in income and the cost is getting higher every year. So, there will never be a race to bottom phenomenon for bitcoin: Everyone selling their last coin to buy a cup of milk before they starved and bitcoin price crash to 0  Grin

In general people will treat it as a digital asset and hold them in hope of fast price appreciation. Price will rise eventually due to higher and higher difficulty and lower and lower coin supply, and you can buy more and more things with bitcoin throughout the world because many merchants will try to get bitcoin through their sales later

Gavin mentioned an interesting thought: If the coin price double each year, you only need to spend half of your coin each year and your purchase power will stay the same forever. So when you have accumulated a certain amount of bitcoin which worth 2 years' worth of living expense, you can retire

Some one will argue that if everyone is doing this then there will be no one working to provide the goods/services, but currently it is over production and low income enviornment, until we have a shortage of labour force (which is very unlikely due to rising of AI and robots), nothing to worry about



bitcoin is backed by Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds.
16730  Economy / Economics / Re: Why is bitcoin price not going up? on: July 01, 2013, 12:20:04 PM
Why is bitcoin price stuck around the same number and not  increasing, how likely  is it for bitcoin to steadily start going up again?

who knows. but the same thing happens in stocks, commodities and forex. such is trading.
16731  Economy / Speculation / Re: ...AND THE BOTTOM IS... on: July 01, 2013, 12:14:30 PM
answer:  who the hell knows. no one could predict these things, even the 'experts'. all one can do is to make a calculated guess.
16732  Economy / Speculation / Re: Confess double digit believers on: July 01, 2013, 12:11:24 PM
Who  still believe double digit are  feasible? State a reason of  your  position( but please no f*g charts ).
Do you intend to jump back on wagon  if  we  don't  see it never  again , or you just let it pass and  be gone forever.

By double digit   mean  long period of  time when  price is below  let say  90 $.

We all know that flash crash to  90-80 $ and  rebound could happened any  time so this  doesn't count.



there's nothing to say. price is going down.
16733  Economy / Speculation / Re: the price is falling, the price is falling!!! on: July 01, 2013, 12:09:56 PM
I'm scared this will turn into a full blown panic...

Price hasn't been going up for a while now

the fact that you're getting scared, most likely others are getting scared too. full blown panic is just around the corner. sell now and buy back later, btc won't go away.
16734  Economy / Speculation / Re: Well we are back to the triple digits again on: June 29, 2013, 05:27:27 AM
And back to double digits again Wink

It could be a long time before we see triple digits again, if ever.

 Roll Eyes That was a very long time.

after a very long time, it's back to double digits again.
16735  Economy / Speculation / Re: What exactly is the bear case? (sincere question) on: June 29, 2013, 03:52:48 AM
what does bitcoin have going for it?

answer:  hype.

i know cryptocurrencies are the future, but until the mainstream accepts it, btc could well go down to who the hell knows. i hope not back to single digit levels.

the good news is this is just the beginning. there are other cryptos people can speculate on and make money off as the technology keeps improving, evolving and slowly being used and accepted by the mainstream.

my bet is on ripple.

edit:  even then, if cryptos are widely accepted, its value would still go up and down like the usd, eur, gbp, etc..

Ripple is a scam. It is controlled by a single corporation that kept the vast majority of the coins for itself.

Did you know the market cap for Ripple is actually higher than bitcoin. That's how ridiculous ripple is. Most people will never use trust it and thus never use it. I know I never will.

its not a scam in my view. the ripple network could be something big. as for xrp, yes you could say it's a scam just like i can argue the usd is a scam.

but in my pov, these (crypocurrency trading) are like a giant casino, just like how i see the stock market as one big giant casino. its gambling in a way. but there are methods and ways to get an edge and profit.

its all about money and making a profit.
16736  Economy / Speculation / Re: What exactly is the bear case? (sincere question) on: June 29, 2013, 03:06:52 AM
what does bitcoin have going for it?

answer:  hype.

i know cryptocurrencies are the future, but until the mainstream accepts it, btc could well go down to who the hell knows. i hope not back to single digit levels.

the good news is this is just the beginning. there are other cryptos people can speculate on and make money off as the technology keeps improving, evolving and slowly being used and accepted by the mainstream.

my bet is on ripple.

edit:  even then, if cryptos are widely accepted, its value would still go up and down like the usd, eur, gbp, etc..
16737  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Selling BTC for Moneybookers, Neteller, Pokerstars, FTP, PartyPoker,Paypal etc on: June 16, 2013, 12:47:43 AM
bump
16738  Economy / Speculation / Re: Looks more and more like a 2011 repeat on: June 15, 2013, 07:30:34 AM
Bubbles, bubbles never change.

this
16739  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin Price Drop on: June 15, 2013, 05:46:25 AM
k
16740  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Huge movement on: June 15, 2013, 05:44:53 AM
until it starts trending up again.  cos you know this could all be 2011 all over again.





what do you guys think right now?  it could be, right?
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