Thank you for all your answers, I'm trying to understand.
Some scammers' addresses* continue to "function", i.e. to receive small or large sums of money with total impunity. Other scammers, on the other hand, will be doxxed and arrested after a CEX has given the scammer's informations (KYC).
But if a CEX is not called in by the courts, I have the impression that it won't do anything at all.
I was also thinking about blacklists of ETH addresses (see Tornado cash for example): people who own certain addresses but have done nothing illegal can no longer recover their funds?
* I also wonder why they use the same address for their scams... I guess they're aware of their impunity.
Yes scammers address functions because only them have control over it and nobody can do anything about it. Do not forget that this is blockchain and it is decentralized void of any external authority wanting to control it for you as you alone have sole authority over it unlike the centralised banking system where your bank account can be freezed at any point in time by government or other agencies because they have access to it and can call you at anytime since they know your identity. In as much as blockchain is decentralized, CEX does not and cannot do anything unless the government through the court calls them to do their biddings. The CEX too sometimes monitor blacklisted wallets so as not to get involved with it In anyway so because that alone would call the attention of the government to them that is why they have mechanism in place to detect such wallet addresses already blacklisted for immediate forfeiture of funds transferred to their platform if the government comes knocking at their door they will have what to present to them and the identity of the account holder. |
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OP I think you should take out time to learn and know how things works here so you would be properly guided. I am saying this because I noticed you deleted your previous post with same content and now creating another thread with that same content again and I remembered vividly clear I wrote something there while calling your attention to something. Here's it where you deleted it https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5459434.msg62535353#msg62535353This platform frowns at such and would likely see it as you spamming the platform. |
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I had a look at the site aswell. The lack of support is conerning and so is the lack of communication. Its a very bare bones site but that is not necessarily a bad thing, these big "all games in one" casinos arent always that good either. The faucet is pretty good aswell, good for testing the site out  . The casino is definitely a new and small casino so i expect to see lapses in the course of using it. The representative here barely responds to pertinent questions as it bothers users of the casino and also I do not think they hid to advise so as to taking and making corrections for possible ease while using the casino. Up till now, the the representative is yet to get a copper membership account so they could be able to make proper upload of the casino graphics and other important aspect of the casino. If they could pay deaf ears refusing to hid to advise,i don't think they would have a good communication relationship with their clients which we already see people complaining of their customer care here and lapses in withdrawal. Issue about that delay is bit disappointing even if this is small amount of money. They should at least put a person that can handle their thread since this is common thing what people ask. If they cannot solve a small issue how about the bigger ones? For sure many dislike this to happen and they are showing that their support is not active so I guess much better if they address this so that they can gain good trust score from people. You are very correct mate. Customer care service is very important in every organization. The success of every organization mostly depends on its customer relations so as to build up the organization. What we see on their thread is simply a reflection of who they are and it is not normal to be. Being inactive would definitely throw you in or better still make for harm than good to you. |
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Their primary domain is Betnomi.com since the beginning. The data of the old Betnomi.com was transferred to Betnomi.bet when Betnomi team created a new version of the website.
This is really strange. Why is this old Betnomi still working even today when other one is out for days? I remember the days of old Predictor competition and they always had some issues but it was never serious like this. Their telegram group in pretty much dead, nothing was posted for days and people gave up from asking more questions. I think it is really strange though that there is a conflicting site activities from betnomi end which i believe they are fully aware of. Possibly, they might have had the thought of enabling activities on that site to speed up maintenance on the other for which they are currently on so as to sustain the traffic and their user base. But their silence to not constantly responding to their users is what is causing this whole saga making it look like an exit scam from their end which is probably not their plans and it is not encouraging to see such a thing happening. It only ends up putting more fears into their users/fans and making them loose hope. |
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I had a look at the site aswell. The lack of support is conerning and so is the lack of communication. Its a very bare bones site but that is not necessarily a bad thing, these big "all games in one" casinos arent always that good either. The faucet is pretty good aswell, good for testing the site out . The casino is definitely a new and small casino so i expect to see lapses in the course of using it. The representative here barely responds to pertinent questions as it bothers users of the casino and also I do not think they hid to advise so as to taking and making corrections for possible ease while using the casino. Up till now, the the representative is yet to get a copper membership account so they could be able to make proper upload of the casino graphics and other important aspect of the casino. If they could pay deaf ears refusing to hid to advise,i don't think they would have a good communication relationship with their clients which we already see people complaining of their customer care here and lapses in withdrawal. |
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Obviously, this does not look good as it does not encourage customers and potential clients to keep visiting the website to continue their activities. How can they just all of a sudden just start acting up this way? Possibly I assume there is an upgrade or maintenance ongoing because the traffic that frequents the site might definitely have warranted the upgrade so they could be able to accommodate more numbers irrespective of the volume and capacity.
I'm quite sure that they are out of funds and they wont be able to allow any withdrawals from their platform. They will have two options in this stage either to make excuses that their system is having maintenance break, and continue holding the money of the gamblers for long duration, or to just exit the business without any confirmation. I'm not very sure but it seems that they are turning out to be a scam site, and even if the invested a lot for the marketing in past, they wont be able to hold up the reputation and trust they received from their users. I hope that those users who have a lot of funds frozen on that site will get at least something because I don't expect that they will even get a dollar back if situation continues like that. I was a bit negative about Betnomi before but now since have processed that withdraw and also this update Sorsis got in touch. He says that he will soon process my payment and, as far as I understood from the conversation, the site will also be active soon. I am sorry for disappearing.
There was a major situation outside of my control and i had to leave but i am partially available now and will sort out your payment soon. You can be sure of that , it seems that they are not scam exiting and will come back. We do not know what is the situation beyond their control and it is not always the funds. Let's give them a break and wait for their come back. Remember if they were only to scam, they could have kept the site running and keep accepting the deposits. Sure mate, if they were to be an exit scam, they could have opened deposit and keep accepting funds preparing to do away with it but we never can tell and from the previous posts and comments i have read about the situation, they have been responding fine and they seems active to have responded to questions and complaints with hope and assurance of attending to pending payment. Let us pray and hope they fulfill their promises as made by the team. |
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Obviously, this does not look good as it does not encourage customers and potential clients to keep visiting the website to continue their activities. How can they just all of a sudden just start acting up this way? Possibly I assume there is an upgrade or maintenance ongoing because the traffic that frequents the site might definitely have warranted the upgrade so they could be able to accommodate more numbers irrespective of the volume and capacity.
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I remembered my early days as telegram moderator, these were the principles I applied to securing my telegram moderating jobs then. I do make sure i study the white paper of the project to make sure I am always active and replying to questions from investors and members of the telegram community. One day the CEO of a particular project was asking me series of questions on the platform as an investor whilst i had no idea he was the owner of the project i responded to him with facts and details he was marveled and he sent me a pm and there he asked if i can moderate the telegram group i agreed and I had to start work immediately. That was how i began to gain experience and knowledge on telegram community moderating.
OP can start this way as this is how you can get the experience too and it would make you have reliable source and contact to always give you jobs in the nearest future based on recommendations.
Yeah, that's just how it is, my friend. The first time I did the moderator's work, it was just my first experience with it, and I think the CEO asked if I had been experienced, which I think I said yes, where as I was not, but I just got along very well with the job, and he always commended me for doing a nice job always. The last one I got last year before I stopped this year was so demanding of me because I had to integrate some Telegram bots into the group. I had not done it before, but immediately the CEO asked me to integrate the bot on that Telegram group. I said okay, rushed to YouTube, grabbed some videos, and learned how to do it. I did it and made some mistakes, which I still fixed. For the OP, I think he can also prepare himself for such a situation. Also, OP, I would like to add that if you want to get a moderator job like you asked, you should also look out for mostly new altcoin projects; some of them do really need moderators. Cheers 🥂, Dr.Bitcoin_Strange 👺👺 Absolutely, doing a search for new altcoin projects would help OP in getting potential mod jobs because they would be open to looking for work force as they are new to the system. If OP is really ready to start a good mod job and getting experience on the job, Op would need to do as you have said. Another thing is upgrading in skills like learning how to integrate bot into the telegram group just as you have said which made it easier for you. I believe OP should put that into consideration as well because all these would add up to experience and skills added to CV. |
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I came across a post made on this forum by someone that says he has $20k for investment as such he was looking for people to advice him on how to go about it, for me it was actually a bad idea consorting everyone for investment advice because you could be lured by scammers to invest on a shitcoin as such loosing all your money because of lack of knowledge about Bitcoin or any investment in general, as someone that has no idea on investment I think the first thing was research google to learn more and also the risk involves. so I was thrilled to create this topic, so everyone could help by sharing there own knowledge on what someone that has no knowledge about investment should no before venturing into.
I may not be the right person for investment advice that's why I'm asking everyone to share their advice, views and knowledge incase something like this should come up, so people could learn and no what must be done before going into investment.
Obtaining Knowledge is always a must. That’s the reason if you don’t have prior knowledge before investing, then it’s better to just stop investing because you will never be in profits in the end. However, relying from other people’s advices or ideas may not be good since instead of making you profit, you might only end up being lured and fall easily to their scammer’s trap. It is very good that one acquires knowledge and information before venturing into the business they desire otherwise the same speed they use in entering that business is the same speed they would make heavy loss and times two of that speed they use in running out of the business too.So if you would need to be on the safe side, one would make out time to study and get knowledge of what they are investing in. I have realized that sometimes investors do not just go into investing in a business they have no knowledge about. They are most times deceived to doing that just because they have cash and are desperate to invest without conducting due diligence on the business. Maybe they trust the business because it was introduced to them by their allies and at the entire end they end up falling for scam because they trusted the source through which they got the business link from. |
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I was planning on buying a good laptop from China as I learned they seem cheaper over there, this could be your opportunity to really Prove to us all here that all this sweet talks isn't just to lure clients and scam them.
I need a laptop, no particular product to specification in mind yet, if you see this, then please reach out to me in dm, but please note, I am not sending a dime to you until I receive the product, we can employ the services of an escrow from this forum, I will take care of the fees, I will send your money(in bitcoin) to him, he will hold, then release to you as soon as i receive the product..
Contact me via dm if you agree and ready for this business.
China is a tech hub so I would not be surprised if a laptop is quite cheap and affordable there though. I was expecting other gadgets too to be very cheap as well. It is nice you are taking such a step to do business with OP and I also want to support your move as you have requested the services of an escrow to stand in as it happens that OP has not have much reputation to be trusted with funds when OP has no one to vouch for their services and their credibility. Looking forward to seeing the outcome of this deal before I would follow suit as I am interested in OP's services. |
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OP do you not think dropping your contact number would be very dangerous and exposing you to scammers and possibly hackers? would it not have been better you had asked for any prospective client to slide in your dm there and then you exchange contact. This is a public platform and as such one must be very cautious how they release sensitive information.
I checked your profile and discovered you have been here for a year plus but not active. You only have just 5 activity and you think members would be comfortable dealing with an account with no reputation. You have a good business proposals but I think you should come up with a safer means where by your prospective clients would be comfortable dealing with you.You did not tell us your organisation name and website So we could do further research or are you hiding anything from us?
If you can do escrow with any reputable member here, I think you would be a listening ear. Anything otherwise, I doubt if you would get the attention you desire here.
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Coming back to this topic, and I agree with everyone, being knowledgeable before investing is an advantage, but most people do the opposite. They rush to invest through the advice of others without doing any research first. It is not until they lose and lose money that they really start from scratch with knowledge.
Sometimes it is best they have a first hand knowledge and experience when such people who fail to hid to advise by doing research and learning about the investment they desire to go into. People of that nature do not learn properly until they have seen things from their mistakes and what annoys me most about them is that they sink huge amount of money into business depending on mere words by some fake con men who pretend to be business expert looking for investors for their business. I have come to realize that most of these so called money bag tend to ignore business advise not until they had hit the ground that is when they tend to sit up by doing the needful. |
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Twice, I worked as a Telegram moderator for two Altcoin projects. The first one was in 2021, but along the way, the project died and my work with them stopped. The second one was last year until this year, after which I just stopped working with them in the month of February this year.
The reason I got those two jobs was because of how much I knew about the project. During those years, whenever I came across any Altcoins that I liked, I would devote my time to reading through their white papers and studying the activity going on in their Telegram and Twitter accounts. For the first one, I discovered that their telegram group had no moderator and not much activity, so I became active in that group. People were asking about the project, and I was responding to them. I did that for two days. In the process, I also sent a DM to the CEO of that project, offering to take the job of a telegram moderator. It took about a week plus before he responded to me and thanked me for how helpful I had been in the group. From there, we agreed on some weekly payments, and I started working for them before the project failed along the way.
For the second project I worked on, it almost happened like the first one, but in this case, I became active in their telegram group, but the group admin became angry and warned me never to act as an admin while I was not. I picked it up from there and informed him that I have experience on how to manage a Telegram group and also how to run advertisements for projects on my social handles. He asked me how much I knew about their project, and I answered every one of his questions. He gave me the job last year, but I just decided to resign this year because my activity was too high.
Also, if you want to get that kind of job, you can send those projects an email or send DMs on Twitter, Facebook, Telegram, and Instagram. Just send a proper proposal to them through any fast link you can reach them with.
Cheers 🥂, Dr.Bitcoin_Strange 👺👺
I remembered my early days as telegram moderator, these were the principles I applied to securing my telegram moderating jobs then. I do make sure i study the white paper of the project to make sure I am always active and replying to questions from investors and members of the telegram community. One day the CEO of a particular project was asking me series of questions on the platform as an investor whilst i had no idea he was the owner of the project i responded to him with facts and details he was marveled and he sent me a pm and there he asked if i can moderate the telegram group i agreed and I had to start work immediately. That was how i began to gain experience and knowledge on telegram community moderating. OP can start this way as this is how you can get the experience too and it would make you have reliable source and contact to always give you jobs in the nearest future based on recommendations. |
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A lot of people happen to hear about Bitcoin through social media because social media is part of the life of people from the age of 12 - 60years and it was once the venue where people communicate, make friends, and juicy and gossip news so the army enthusiasts took advantage of it to showcase Bitcoin. Besides, the number of the cryptocurrency army we have on social media is more than the forum and despite the awareness created through social media we still have some people who are yet to know about Bitcoin.
Truly the bitcoin army is very active on social media and I would also agree to the fact that some people are yet to hear about bitcoin which is very correct but these people we assume they are possibly rural dwellers with no technological knowledge. They are not familiar or conversant with new morden technology and that has been that challenges. |
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At first I will welcome you to bitcointalk platform as I see you are a newbie. You are absolutely on the right track and there is no cause for alarm. All you have heard from your teacher is not different from the truth. You can learn about bitcoin here as that is the major aim of this platform. Not only that, you would come in contact with people vast and wide with bitcoin experience who would enlighten you through their posts and replies. What you just have to do as a newbie is to take out time to read and learn how things works here. Knowing the forum policies too would help you scale through onboard this platform. It would guide you through to getting to know what to do and how to do it. You can as well ask questions as a newbie here so you could get answers to anything you want to know. I would advise you to properly Understand how bitcoin works well before investing so as not to be taken unawares of the market situation or better still you take out time to grow up here through ranks so you could be able to work and earn bitcoin as payment for your services rendered. |
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I agree with your point, but what happens after the Bitcoin/crypto ecosystem becomes completely CEX/KYC free?
I'm sure that all the governments will start banning crypto mining and trying to shut down all DEX platforms, due to money laundering and tax evasion. Maybe the DEX platform will host their servers somewhere offshore. Maybe the DEX platforms and non-custodial wallets will fuse into one decentralized service.
Let's not forget that CEX platforms are one of the main reasons Bitcoin reached really high price levels. Will it be the same when CEX platforms go down? The centralized crypto companies abiding by the rules and regulations and imposing KYC is one of the reasons the governments still tolerate the crypto industry. I'm not a fan of centralized crypto companies at all, but they also contribute something to the crypto industry.
Truly CEX was the reason why bitcoin was very much and fast in circulation. It also aided in price increase as well but you should not forget that the CEX is also the arm of government on Crypto. Through the CEX government do whatever they want to control the industry and they have their ways with it. Although they have been very much instrumental for the wide spread of Crypto currency globally and it is good CEX worked that way but never safe to keep your funds with them for your own good. |
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Faucets these days can not be compared to faucets of them. Going for faucets is like you just wasting your time as it is not worth it. Although there are some that can take out time to continuously doing it day to day, time to time without minding but I think people see it as a thing of fun for them that's why they keep doing it. If it were to be in the early beginning of bitcoin when bitcoin was at it's early stage, that was when faucets was making sense and really ok to do as the volume per claim is reasonable and not now.
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A good initiative by you OP. This will help people know some useful terms when they hear it and moreover one can make him or herself familiar with it early enough to not be taken unawares when such is mentioned to their hearing.
Terminology matters in every field of life so getting acquainted with it would help ease some stress of communication and make one fast in adapting to the system in which they find themselves. You have done well OP and I will suggest you keep updating the list as time goes on because I believe there are more that are not yet on the list.
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I will likely say that decentralized exchange are not too porous to hackers because there is not too much concentration on retention or safe where holders store their crypto assets or funds compared to the centralized exchange which is always a target for scammers and hackers.
Maybe got a point. But if we are talking about incident, we cant really exclude even dex or cex. Of course its much safer for dex since a lot of people focuses on cex. But if the security they have still not strong enough to prevent someone to penetrate then it still be possible. Anyway OPs question really have a tight answer anyway. Very correct sir. The security features of the CEX matters too because the CEX depends on it for the safety and as such, must be highly sophisticated to protect the funds and assets of holders but dex does not really hold funds but rather they do swap one only needs to connect their wallet to do swap unlike CEX that requires retransfer out of your own custody to a third party. So in all bother are still porous but anyone dealing needs apply caution as it is said "not your keys, not your coin" |
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Accepting bitcoin into business is always a right choice, but it needs to happen in one's own business. In my understanding the mom should be taught about bitcoin, and then it is her own interest that needs to make her accept bitcoin. Getting into his mom's business is not good choice. OP could learn and develop something and offer services in exchange for bitcoin. Already there were good number of services offered by people in exchange for bitcoin. Even there is a thread in which a person from Nigeria that have been accepting bitcoin into her tailoring service.
It is a good idea by OP. I think OP works with her mother to have come up with such plans for her to accepting bitcoin as a means of payment. I believe OP could be able to convince, teach and handle the process for her mother which should not be a problem till her mother knows more about bitcoin and Crypto generally but where lies the challenges Is that OP mentioned that their government frowns at bitcoin and Crypto which means that it will be against the laws of their country of they should do that but I will suggest it that they opt for a p2p which is a safe ans better option for which I believe her customers into Crypto would definitely opt for. |
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